Episode 100 - Spawn (1997) - With Guest Logan Branam!

[00:00:00] Speaker A: You sent me to hell, Jason. I'm here to return the favorite. Good evening, and welcome to the Mal bulge. This is regarding Spawn, the world's oldest spawn podcast. Now, actually, that's not even true, but I'll explain why I said that in a second. I'm your co host, John Fisher. [00:00:52] Speaker B: And I am your co host, David Williams. [00:00:54] Speaker C: And I'm returning guest, Logan Branham. [00:00:57] Speaker A: Yeah, we're having a special guest today. Returning guest, one of our most frequent guests, Logan Branham. Um, because we're old, because we're now turning 100. [00:01:06] Speaker B: 100 episodes. [00:01:08] Speaker C: Oh, shit. [00:01:09] Speaker A: Even though we do have more than 100 episodes, these are 100 canonical episodes. [00:01:14] Speaker B: Canonical specials. [00:01:16] Speaker A: They're not like Star wars specials or one offs or stuff like that. Then we're celebrating our birthday, like you used to do in the nineties. You get your two friends together, and you watch a movie, and, you know, you go see a movie. [00:01:30] Speaker B: We're at that gaudily decorated room in the back of the bowling alley. And pizza table is just filled with gifts that we can all tell are just Nerf guns. So stick into them all Nerf guns. [00:01:44] Speaker A: And for that, we have a movie from the nineties that I think I saw with a friend I don't think I saw at a birthday party, but I didn't see mortal Kombat at a birthday party. And it feels very similar to nineties to spawn. It's in the same realm, the same hell realm. [00:01:58] Speaker C: I feel like I didn't actually see this movie until, like, probably college, because, like, my. I mean, my family was, like, grew up in, you know, so church yoga was like, spawn. That's Satan devil stuff. Can't see that, you know? [00:02:15] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't think it was the Satan devil stuff. Cause I am on record, as, you know, having watched lots of vampire movies with my mom. And if that's not potentially satanic, I don't know what it is. But much like, I wasn't allowed to watch Batman returns for a very long time because my mom didn't like how disgusting Danny DeVito was as the Penguin. I'm pretty sure John Leguizamo's violator is literally the reason I wasn't allowed to watch this movie. [00:02:46] Speaker A: And what movie is it that we're talking about? [00:02:49] Speaker B: Well, obviously we're talking about 1990 seven's William Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet, directed by Baz Lynhman. [00:02:58] Speaker A: He didn't fucking direct that. Oh, yeah, he did. I thought I was thinking Shakespeare in love. I don't know. [00:03:06] Speaker B: It was either 96 or 97. Yeah, it might have been 96. Damn it. [00:03:10] Speaker A: I thought you were talking about Shakespeare in love. I'm sorry. [00:03:13] Speaker C: Oh. [00:03:15] Speaker B: Talking about tits, that's. [00:03:17] Speaker A: Sorry about thinking about Shakespeare in love. No, we're covering 1997 spawn, the movie. Yeah, finally, dude. [00:03:27] Speaker C: Which, by the way, we were talking about earlier, 1997 is a banger year for movies in general. I mean, specifically action movies as well, but, like, huge movies also. That was Titanic year as well. [00:03:42] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:03:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:03:44] Speaker A: What else was. What else was on that list you wrote? [00:03:46] Speaker C: Yeah. Just world. Just in the action movies alone, you got tomorrow never dies. You got Batman and Robin. You got the fifth element. Damn. Fucking men in black. Starship troopers. [00:04:00] Speaker A: Wow. [00:04:00] Speaker C: I mean, face off, con air. I mean, you had all sorts of crazy action movie year that year. [00:04:09] Speaker B: Speaking of men in black, I didn't get to see in the theater. [00:04:14] Speaker C: Oh, dude, really? Yeah. I definitely saw men in black in the theater. Anecdote. [00:04:18] Speaker B: I remember distinctly all the news around it was the movie that had the most slime in it up to that date. By the time I finally got around to watching it, I was like, that's not that much slime. [00:04:31] Speaker A: There's a lot of slime. [00:04:33] Speaker B: But that's because children don't realize dumpsters hold. It's a dumpster full of goop. [00:04:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:04:40] Speaker A: You know, it's funny, I guess this is all tracks. This is a memory I have, but they both go 97, so it's probably true. No, it is. I remember this. I would have been, like, fifth grade or graduated fifth grade, but I remember watch. Going to the theater to see men in black and the Starship troopers trailer started, and I thought it was the Star wars episode. One trailer at first. [00:04:59] Speaker C: Oh, man. [00:05:00] Speaker A: So spaceships. [00:05:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:02] Speaker A: And that was back in the day where I didn't have. I don't think. I didn't have Internet till six or seven. And so you didn't know. You just go to a theater and see. Yeah, I went and saw, you know, and they just randomly had the lost world trailer and it, like, blew my mind. [00:05:15] Speaker C: Yeah, dude, I love that feeling. I miss that feeling so much of going to a theater and figuring out, like, seeing a trailer and figuring out that a movie was coming out. That excited you so much for the first time by seeing it, that trailer on a live screen. I remember that was that way with when the first Lord of the Rings trailer dropped. I forget even what movie I was in, but when I saw it, I was like, what the fuck? I just remember that. I love that feeling of being in a theater, being like, holy shit. What yeah, it just sucks now with the Internet. It's like, yeah, and you just know it's gonna happen, like, two years in advance. You're like, oh, this movie's announced or something cool. Like, I don't. I never had any of that knowledge before. You know? [00:05:58] Speaker B: Or it just comes up on instagram. If you don't scroll fast enough, you're just forced to watch a trailer. [00:06:04] Speaker C: All right, I guess I will. And then it gives you the thing that's like, swipe in three, two, one. [00:06:11] Speaker B: Well, Johnny, you'll appreciate this for movie year 1997. The Lost World was the first movie that we went to, or that I got to go to opening night. [00:06:21] Speaker A: Nice. [00:06:21] Speaker B: We made a big deal about it. I was made to watch all of the first Jurassic park without turning my head away to make sure that I was ready for dinosaurs on the big screen. And then once I had proven that, we got to go see it. And I remember being like, what? This movie all follows around the Ian Malcolm guy? Yeah, fuck that guy. Don't. I mean, do do fuck that guy, but don't fuck that guy. [00:06:43] Speaker A: Well, I love the lost world. [00:06:45] Speaker B: Yeah, he's great. I know. I'm saying I love it. I. At first, I was like, oh, I don't want to watch a whole movie. [00:06:50] Speaker C: As a kid. You're like, oh, Grant's the hero. Yeah, I know. [00:06:54] Speaker A: I did want to see Alan Grant. I was kind of disappointed in that. But as a kid, I definitely was Jurassic park pilled by the time lost world came out. I had all the toys and was obsessed with. [00:07:03] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:07:04] Speaker B: I mean, I had the. The dino damage ones, the ones nice. Like. Like, oh, yeah, that had a fight. [00:07:10] Speaker C: That came off the back and stuff. Yeah. [00:07:12] Speaker B: And it shows, like, exposed the ribs. [00:07:14] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:07:16] Speaker A: If you lose that piece, all, you have a wounded army. [00:07:18] Speaker C: Like a zombie dinosaur. [00:07:21] Speaker B: Yeah, they would look like the dinosaurs. Hell's dinosaur army is what they would look like. There we go. [00:07:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, another toy etic movie that had a big toy line was Spawn 97. [00:07:33] Speaker B: Yes, indeed. The toy opened on this very podcast, if you remember. [00:07:38] Speaker A: Yes, I did open one of the toys. [00:07:40] Speaker B: I wish I remember what episode that was in. [00:07:42] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I don't know. That was a long time ago. I mean, there's 100 episodes, but, yeah, spawn kind of, once it launched and got a million copies sold and everything, they pretty much started courting Hollywood immediately. Like, even in some of the earlier issues we've read in the letters page, he's talking about visiting ILm and talking about Spaz, who's a. [00:08:01] Speaker B: The dog. [00:08:02] Speaker A: No, not the dog. The special effects guy. His name is. [00:08:07] Speaker C: Is that where the dog got his name? [00:08:09] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah, the dog. [00:08:10] Speaker B: It's also, it's also where one of the children, one of the gutter punks in the alley in an episode or an issue of Spawn gets his name because they name him all after the ILM guys. [00:08:22] Speaker C: I saw it in there. It said that Todd McFarlane was credited as a bum in the movie. I'm like, which one was he? Was he the guy at the end that gives the kid, like, the nuts? Like when it's like, at the very end, it's when. [00:08:37] Speaker B: So when Spawn falls to the alley while he's fighting violator, and he falls right in front of a guy and he's got, like, his hat in his. [00:08:46] Speaker A: Hand and he goes, oh, yeah, he looks very serious. [00:08:49] Speaker B: That's Todd. That's Todd. [00:08:51] Speaker A: Also, Steven Spazz Williams is the person who is named Spaz, who did the special effects. Steve Spazz Williams, an ILM veteran. But yeah, the dog was named after him. But yeah, they, this movie was originally budgeted for 20 million because the effects, that went up to 40 million. And you got to, this is, this is new line cinema, pre lord of the rings. [00:09:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:09:19] Speaker A: Like, that was their biggest production to date ever. So $40 million from new line cinemas. A lot of money. [00:09:24] Speaker C: And I heard that despite the, like, kind of critical panning, it was still, like a modest success. Made like 60 point something million worldwide. So it did make money. [00:09:34] Speaker B: I saw 80 last night. [00:09:35] Speaker C: Really? [00:09:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Let's, uh. It says 87.9 million. [00:09:40] Speaker C: Oh, even more than I thought then. [00:09:41] Speaker A: Yeah, just for inflation. [00:09:44] Speaker B: I don't know. It's just let me, let me follow the link on. [00:09:47] Speaker C: Cause it was like, I want to say it was like 59 point something domestic. [00:09:53] Speaker A: Okay. Probably 80 million worldwide, maybe. But I saw, I saw it in theaters, so I contributed that box office because I had a friend of named Andy Gardner whose parents would take us to see fucking anything. [00:10:04] Speaker C: Really? They didn't get it? Like, sure. [00:10:06] Speaker A: And I just didn't tell my parents. They just dropped us off. They wouldn't go to the movies with us. So I saw office space in 7th grade in the theater. [00:10:12] Speaker B: So domestic was 54.9. International was 32.9. And adjusted for inflation, it made 129 million. [00:10:22] Speaker A: Okay. [00:10:22] Speaker C: So, yeah, pretty good success for that budget. And despite, like, critics being like, well, Robert, Roger Ebert liked it. [00:10:30] Speaker A: Roger Eber liked it. [00:10:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:10:31] Speaker B: Did you, sorry, I was distracted while you were talking about that. Did you, did you enjoy office space when you saw it at that age. [00:10:39] Speaker A: Yeah. I thought it was funny. [00:10:41] Speaker B: I think that if I had seen it in the theaters, I would have been just as young for it. Have been like, what the fuck is this? But I love office space. [00:10:47] Speaker A: Maybe 8th grade, but, like. Yeah, I liked it. [00:10:49] Speaker B: And I hate that the people who work underneath me at work don't know what it is. And I can't tell them to watch it. Cause they have no frame of reference for why. It's hilarious. [00:11:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:02] Speaker B: Purely of its time. Age poorly, but not in the way most things age poorly. [00:11:08] Speaker A: They have no relation to the technology or the processes. [00:11:12] Speaker B: Just everything it refers to. But you know what doesn't age quite so poorly is spawned the movie spot. [00:11:21] Speaker A: The movie. Um, yeah. [00:11:24] Speaker B: I mean, that's what we're here to debate. [00:11:26] Speaker A: Should we just get into it? [00:11:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:28] Speaker B: Good movie. [00:11:30] Speaker A: So it opens with, like, a cagliostro big, um, kind of speech. [00:11:37] Speaker C: I love the opening because it's like, doesn't it do. It's like his speeches after they show Simmons death, though. Yeah. [00:11:47] Speaker A: Like, no, he's another speech. [00:11:48] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. [00:11:50] Speaker A: He has many speeches. He's, uh. [00:11:52] Speaker B: That's all he does. [00:11:54] Speaker A: He kind of covers up the reshoots. Is my theory that he just, like, the linking thing to, like. Because you could tell there's, like, all these shot with him and Wanda. And the fact they never show a scene with them together beforehand is crazy. [00:12:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:12:07] Speaker A: And then you could tell in those flashbacks they have little cuts of him and wanda, like, talking. And it's like, why did we see that? Like, that's one of the things that, like, stuck out to me this time, watching it was the fact that he never hangs out with Wanda. [00:12:19] Speaker C: You never see that relationship that he's all about making this decision and everything for. Yeah. [00:12:24] Speaker A: Which I thought was really strange. Cause they have the part where Terry comes to his house and Wanda just leaves separately. And then he leaves separately. They don't even say, like, goodbye to each other. [00:12:31] Speaker B: Yeah. Also, fun fact on Wanda's rear view mirror, there's a little clown air freshener. I notice that. Also he's advertising all over the place. He's got a. [00:12:44] Speaker C: He's got a doll line. Like, you know, that was the creepiest thing to me, dude. When he, like, creates that doll and, like, gives it to him, and then they, like, continue to carry it around. [00:12:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:56] Speaker C: Creepy fucking guy. Gives my daughter a doll like that, I'd be like, we're throwing that away immediately. What? No. Yeah. [00:13:06] Speaker A: Like, farts and burps and shit. It's ridiculous. [00:13:08] Speaker B: So speaking of Wanda, I would say the two best performances in this movie, hands down, are John Leguizamo, obviously, and Teresa Randall. Yeah, she's plays Wanda. I think those are the two best performances. Everybody else is either too coked up or not coked up enough. [00:13:30] Speaker A: Michael J. Wyatt, a lot of. [00:13:33] Speaker B: He falls a little flat for me. [00:13:35] Speaker C: He is. [00:13:35] Speaker A: I wish they would have had him. [00:13:37] Speaker B: He feels like what he wants to be doing more than they're letting him do. Yeah, I will feel that frustration coming through. [00:13:44] Speaker C: The thing that I was noticing when I was watching, I was like, man, this is some. And I was trying to think back of, like, other movies that had that level of, like, makeup and prosthetic over someone at that time. Because I'm like, you can. When you see him, like, originally, before he even gets the suit on and everything, it just. You can tell you're like, fuck. That is a thick amount of, like, prosthetic and makeup he's dealing with right there. Like, it's like, I'm like, that's probably got to be crazy hot. And it's got to be hard for you to really express much with much facial feature, anything. Like, you're going to have to do a lot to get, like, a little movement probably on what that looked like down to, like, even, like, turning his head sideways. And I was like, man, that. That's a lot. And I was so much. [00:14:29] Speaker A: Because that's the hide his nose. Like, it has to have so much to, like, be even with his nose. So he doesn't have one. Yeah, no, it's. [00:14:38] Speaker B: If he had, like, contemporary Spider man mask technology, he would be incredible. Cause everything else I've seen Michael J. White in, I love him. He's great. He's. He's good at what he does. [00:14:49] Speaker C: He didn't even. [00:14:49] Speaker A: The beginning of this, even for somebody. [00:14:52] Speaker C: Who'S, like, good at martial arts, like, he doesn't even really get to show much of that in this, honestly. You know, he's mainly just like, one punching guys are, like, kind of kicked throw one that, you know, there's not much detail, like, fighting really in it. He's either, like, shooting some guys or using the. I mean, the. The thing about the CGI on this is I do love how the cape and the suit and the chain effects and everything work on his fighting and everything, for sure. [00:15:20] Speaker B: I like how the mask comes up. The mask is cool. Coming up is basically straight up. It looks like he's turning into a cenobite. [00:15:30] Speaker C: Yeah, pretty great. [00:15:32] Speaker B: When his boss comes up a messinabite from Hellraiser. [00:15:36] Speaker A: Those are the creatures in Hellraiser. [00:15:37] Speaker C: Yes, yes, yes. [00:15:38] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, sorry. [00:15:41] Speaker A: The first thing, I didn't know the jargon. Basically telling you the whole movie, the whole, he's like, there's a, there's a, there's evil lord. He said his lieutenant. There's another guy. And it's like the music video cut of the movie. And then you go into the actual movie, which is where he's attacking the military base. [00:16:00] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. With. With the great 3d mapping. It's some great. [00:16:04] Speaker A: I love that missile thing that pops. [00:16:06] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:16:09] Speaker A: Ready made for an action figure. [00:16:11] Speaker C: Yeah. The whole thing there with that entrance, you can definitely see it as, like, a side piece in the action figure box, like the character. And then the little side cut out for that missile bank and everything. [00:16:21] Speaker A: They made it. I'm pretty sure that's exactly because they made, like, really movie accurate toys, because Harlan was so involved in the production. They're. They're pretty cool. They're pretty movie accurate. [00:16:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:31] Speaker A: But they made an Al Simmons toy that I always wanted. I don't know, maybe I just was attracted to Michael Jai White as a kid. Just something. But I always liked him as spawn. And I always liked, like, after this, he, like, felt like a movie star to me. [00:16:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, like I said previously, they still do anything. He's in. It does say Michael J. White parentheses spawn. [00:16:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:50] Speaker B: So this is his cut. Cultural touchstone. [00:16:54] Speaker A: I remember being really disappointed because I heard he was in kill Bill, volume two, and they cut his scene out. [00:16:59] Speaker B: Boom. [00:17:00] Speaker C: Oh, man. Yeah, there's a scene where he fights. [00:17:02] Speaker A: The bride, like, in the street when she's looking for Pai Mei. And it's. [00:17:06] Speaker B: I started. I started the movie again when we started. And I'm currently at the birthday party scene. And I like how clown just has a mixed drink while he's being. The birthday party. [00:17:17] Speaker A: Yeah, dude, I'm smokes a cigarette too. [00:17:22] Speaker B: Yeah, he's smoking a cigar too. [00:17:24] Speaker A: Oh, he is. [00:17:25] Speaker B: Well, he smokes a cigar at the beginning when he's talking to Jason Nguyen. [00:17:30] Speaker A: He's smoking right now in the ark. Oh, he is? Okay. [00:17:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:34] Speaker A: That's hilarious. Yeah. Basically, Al Simmons has to go, and he is an operative, and he uses the cool action figure gun to shoot what he thinks are terrorists. Right? [00:17:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:17:47] Speaker C: But he's just wasting Sibby's. [00:17:49] Speaker A: Yeah, he's just wasting Sibi's. He didn't even know. You just get Kagurioso peeking around every once in a while. He's always like, looking at stuff, like, shaking his head. [00:17:57] Speaker B: Yeah, he just, like, shows up in his little green haze, and he's just like, yeah, that guy's having fun. [00:18:05] Speaker A: He's, uh, that actor's just like, yeah, get that paycheck. [00:18:09] Speaker C: I'm wondering. Yeah, I'm like, he's like fucking Alec Guinness and Star wars being like, I don't even really understand what all this is going on, but here's my lines. And sure, yeah, I agree. [00:18:20] Speaker A: That's probably exactly what he's like. [00:18:23] Speaker B: It's a little weird, though, because obviously 1997, they're in the mid seventies in the comics, and you can see where they've done some retconning to do stuff that they brought in later versus how things were originally introduced. And I would have much preferred just a drunkard, nomadic cog instead of the night cog who shows up. [00:18:46] Speaker A: They make him into Obi Wan Kenobi. Like, almost one for one. Yeah, let's get to make him adobe one. [00:18:50] Speaker C: This old wise guy. I'm wondering, like, is. I mean, when he's. Cause the thing with Cagliostro is he tries to not use his spawn or abilities because he only has, like, so much, like, necro juice left. Yeah. Like, he's like, only, like, I don't want to use it. Cause then I'll get basically dragged to hell or whatever. [00:19:13] Speaker A: Yes. [00:19:13] Speaker C: And so it's, like, hilarious to me that, like, everything with that in going on in the back of my mind in the movie, that he'll just show up randomly, just like, necro out of sword for no purpose, real quick, and then never mind. And then put it away. It's like, yeah, all right. For somebody not trying to burn you, just like, hey, by the way, we. [00:19:36] Speaker A: Go into the opening credits, which Logan texted me last night and said, they get him pumped up, dude, I swear. [00:19:40] Speaker C: Like, that was the thing. I was watching it, and it was also high as balls at the time, but I was just, like, sitting there watching, and I was like, as soon as the credits hit the end, like, cloggy Ostra is doing, like, the little bit right as it's starting, and it's like, the fire credits. I'm like, every time I was, yeah. I'm like, every time I watch this movie, it gets to this point, and I'm just like, I just have this expression or feeling like, hell. Yeah. Like, all right, now let's do it. Let's watch it. [00:20:06] Speaker A: Here we go. [00:20:07] Speaker B: The credits. The credits are that late nineties post modernism that is just. You don't like, they're not meant to be red, really. They're just meant to be some squiggles that you see. [00:20:17] Speaker C: It's a thing we do. [00:20:18] Speaker A: Also, all the ends are backwards. I guess they thought that was edgy. [00:20:20] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:20:21] Speaker C: They almost looked like, like a russian. That's what, when I was, like, watching it, that's like a russian character almost looks exactly like that. And it kind of, it really does look exactly like that. And it may, for a minute later, I was like, was there was, like a russian production company involved in this? And this was just like a nod or something? Or did they just try to do it only with the ends for. [00:20:43] Speaker B: If they were, if they were using, you know, early digital typefaces, that might have just been. The only leeway they had was to use the russian character. [00:20:52] Speaker C: That's true. [00:20:52] Speaker A: It reminded me of just like, the text of the seven opening credits, where it's, like, vibrating and hard to read. [00:20:59] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:21:00] Speaker A: I mean, this is definitely the same. [00:21:02] Speaker B: It's definitely that Stan bracket jomage stuff that was real big. [00:21:06] Speaker A: And you just get, like, opening credits over just like I. Crazy hell imagery. [00:21:11] Speaker B: Yeah. And dollar bills. [00:21:13] Speaker A: Dollar bills burning fire. Cut to the real movie. And it's, well, first we start with the CRN lady. We get the CRN lady, who in the comics is a big one who shows up a lot. So it was cool how they had all the pundits in there. I guess they didn't have the e. Entertainment guy, but the punish from the comics make their appearance. [00:21:32] Speaker B: And her hair. Her hair is exactly the same. [00:21:35] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, she's exactly the same. And it cuts out and it pulls out that it's not that. Jason Wynn and the clown are watching this on tv, the stuff about the assassination and clowns in shadow smoking a cigar. And they just, like, kind of set up that they are working together. But this is our first appearance of Martin Sheen as Jason Wynn. And man, talking about cocaine. [00:22:03] Speaker C: Don't, Jude. [00:22:05] Speaker A: It's poked out of his mind in this movie. You feel the sweat coming off of him. [00:22:09] Speaker C: Yeah. And you can tell some of his long lines. I was like, oh, man, Martin Sheen. [00:22:14] Speaker A: I was wondering, this growls his way through this role. [00:22:17] Speaker C: Yeah, this before west wing. [00:22:21] Speaker A: Yeah, probably by a year or, like, around the same time. [00:22:25] Speaker C: But when it started, I was wondering, I was like, man, talk about a pivot. [00:22:30] Speaker A: When did the west Wing start? David, google it. [00:22:33] Speaker B: I know he was the president, wasn't he? [00:22:35] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:22:35] Speaker A: When did it start? [00:22:36] Speaker B: Oh, oh, oh, sorry. [00:22:39] Speaker A: Was he president and Jason win in the same year? [00:22:42] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:22:43] Speaker A: That's range. [00:22:45] Speaker C: I'm gonna say west Wing was 99. [00:22:47] Speaker B: 99. [00:22:48] Speaker C: Oh, no. [00:22:50] Speaker A: Got it. [00:22:50] Speaker B: He looks younger in the west wing than he does with his dyed the dye black beard. Christ, the whole Kogan. I also like how Jason Wynn smokes clothes in this movie. [00:23:04] Speaker A: Yeah, he smokes clothes. [00:23:06] Speaker C: Yeah. That's hilarious. Yeah, I saw. [00:23:08] Speaker A: He's like a stinky emo kid. That's who smoke clothes. Right? The emo kids. [00:23:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Theater kids was. [00:23:16] Speaker C: Yeah. Big Al Pacino fans. Because. [00:23:18] Speaker A: So, emo kids. [00:23:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, all the. All the emo kids I knew were not. Not cool enough to smoke cigarettes. [00:23:30] Speaker C: So how much do clothes, cigarettes cost? Are they cheaper? [00:23:34] Speaker A: No. [00:23:35] Speaker B: No. [00:23:35] Speaker C: Yeah, see? What are you doing? [00:23:38] Speaker B: That was part of it is that they were. They were seen as fancier. [00:23:41] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, they're fancier. [00:23:43] Speaker B: Obviously, he has them in this because they're all black. [00:23:46] Speaker A: Yes. And he's the bad guy. [00:23:48] Speaker C: He's the bad guy. [00:23:49] Speaker B: Also, we're back on this. And Wanda. Wanda has an air freshener on a convertible, John. What does an air freshener on a convertible? [00:23:59] Speaker C: She just wants it to smell nice when she puts the top up, you know? [00:24:03] Speaker B: I guess. I guess. [00:24:05] Speaker A: Yeah. This is the scene where you don't see Wanda and Al together, which is weird, but you get to see Terry, like, I don't know, kind of like, make eyes at Wanda to set that up. [00:24:16] Speaker B: Yeah. And the world's most obviously empty coffee cup. They don't even pretend like it has. [00:24:27] Speaker A: It's, like, bouncing around. [00:24:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:24:30] Speaker A: Then we get it. Also in the scene, we get our introduction. [00:24:34] Speaker C: The best friend, man. He's like, I like to see. See him in that. It was like, I remember, like, the early one of the earliest thing. My parents were like, really? It's a great movie. Into the cutting edge. Great rom.com with DB swaining. I remember that was, like, the first thing I'm skating movie, right? Yeah. It's like he's a former hockey player who, like, gets injured and can't, like, play hockey anymore, so they pull him to be, like, the. The figure skating partner of this hard to work with, you know, figure skater dynasty type girl, and they. They go on to the Olympics and stuff. It's a cool movie. [00:25:13] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, I knew he was in that. That's what he's known for. [00:25:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:25:17] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, he's fine in this almost. [00:25:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:25:21] Speaker A: He's like. He's just like, non. He just doesn't register. He just doesn't even. I don't know. It would have been a lot because Terry's black in the comics and, like, a really handsome. [00:25:30] Speaker C: Yeah, I heard. [00:25:31] Speaker A: Gray streak. [00:25:32] Speaker C: Well, that's the thing. I heard that they literally changed that part because this is. The studio was worried about having too many black leads in a movie, and they would think it was specifically geared towards a black audience, and they thought that would, like, diminish the viewership or something. So they literally changed that part for that. [00:25:51] Speaker A: Yeah. As we know, movies starring black superheroes don't make any money. [00:25:54] Speaker C: Yeah, totally. [00:25:56] Speaker A: Not at all. No, that was. That's really. It was just a stupid thing to do. Like, it's just like, why change it? And, like, just for that reason, it's just like. Yeah, I mean, that's studios for you. [00:26:07] Speaker C: Studio stuff, man. Yeah. [00:26:10] Speaker A: I love how in this scene when he goes in there to talk to Jason Wynn after the mission that Jason Wynn, they show that his ashtray is surrounded by scorpions. [00:26:16] Speaker B: Yeah. It's in a little scorpion. [00:26:20] Speaker A: So the scorpions are getting high on fucking clove cigarettes. [00:26:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:26:23] Speaker A: And Jessica just randomly has a tarantula in that scene. [00:26:29] Speaker B: Oh, Jessica Priest. [00:26:31] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. She's like, we were talking about this before we recorded me and Logan, but she's like, xenia on a top from Goldeneye on, like, crack. She gets even more hornier from killing people somehow. I mean, not really. They're about the same, but she's definitely very Xenia on a top. Perfect, dark, like that nineties secret agent. [00:26:49] Speaker C: Yeah. Femme fatale. [00:26:51] Speaker A: Femme fatale. But she's good. Jessica's very rememberable in this movie. The only thing that is not memorable is that she doesn't come back at the end. Like, you'd think she would come back. They had that shot where they're like, she's dead. And they show him, like, freezing her. There's like. And evidently, she was supposed to come back in one of the earlier script versions, but, like, yeah, she's a very memorable villain, and she dies, like, 45 minutes into the movie. [00:27:13] Speaker B: I don't know how they. [00:27:15] Speaker C: Well, doesn't she become a spawn? [00:27:17] Speaker B: What they cut out of it? Because there's a lot of. There's a lot of stuff in this. Earlier versions, had more stuff in them. [00:27:23] Speaker A: More stuff. She becomes a spawn, like, way later, like, in the last five years, she became a spawn. [00:27:29] Speaker C: So she doesn't become a spawn from dying, right then? [00:27:33] Speaker A: No, she doesn't die. She doesn't get killed in the comics. [00:27:37] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah. She inherits the spawn ability, Green Lantern style, when one of dies. [00:27:44] Speaker A: Yeah, she's just there, but now, she. That's a relatively new development. [00:27:51] Speaker C: It's also a retcon that she killed him. Right? Didn't he get killed by Chapel? Chapel originally, yeah, yeah, it was Chapel. [00:27:59] Speaker A: She's a retcon just to, like, basically to. They couldn't have the rights to chapel for the movie. It was like the rights were always belong to Rob Liefeld. So let's come up with our own person. [00:28:09] Speaker B: Could you imagine if we had to spend five minutes of this movie on the Youngbloods? [00:28:13] Speaker A: Explain. Chapel was. They didn't have time. [00:28:16] Speaker C: There was another thing I read about rights for this movie that was involving Neil Gaiman, though. It said there was a character, Angela. Yeah, Angela. Angela shows up with a earring on that's like a, you know, and then, but they said they didn't, like, do really name the characters, do more, because at the time, I guess, Neil Gaiman had the rights to that character because he helped write it. [00:28:43] Speaker B: This was, this was about the time that the. Or this was a couple of years before the, the thing, right? [00:28:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:51] Speaker B: Wasn't that like 2000? [00:28:52] Speaker A: Yeah, because she was still in the comics up to issue 100. She died in issue 100 because I think they knew they had to get rid of her. Yeah. So in issue eight or no, issue seven. No. Issue six, nine. That's what it is. [00:29:06] Speaker B: Don't you remember? [00:29:07] Speaker A: Issues don't go. Yeah, go forward. Issue nine of spawn. So basically, everyone told Todd McFarlane that he sucked at writing. So he was like, okay, fine, fuck you. I'm gonna hire the four best comic writers right now and get them to write four issues to spawn. So issue eight was written by Alan Moore. Issue nine was written by nail. [00:29:23] Speaker B: Gaiman paid them something like a quarter million dollars each. [00:29:27] Speaker A: Yeah. For one issue of comic, Frank Miller wrote number 1111. No, eleven. Oh, yeah. [00:29:35] Speaker B: Cause Dave Sim. Dave sim was 1010. [00:29:37] Speaker A: Was Dave Sims. Yeah. So he got four big people to write him. And so Neil Gaiman, in that issue, created both Kagliostro and Angela. And Todd McFarlane, in an ironic turn of events, came a big dick about the rights to the character. And Neil Gaiman wanted her back, and there was a falling out. And so basically he sued him, and they just agreed that Todd McFarlane gets Cagliostro, Neil Gaiman gets Angela. [00:30:07] Speaker C: Okay. [00:30:08] Speaker A: I think is basically what happened. Simplified version. [00:30:10] Speaker B: And actually, I think the, I think the, like, the, the trial lasted for a real long time and wasn't finalized until, like, my second year living in Chicago. Oh, yeah. [00:30:23] Speaker A: Then after that finalized, he sold her to Marvel. [00:30:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:26] Speaker A: Immediately, I think. [00:30:28] Speaker B: Immediately. [00:30:29] Speaker A: So she's a guardian of the Galaxy now. She's asgardian now. [00:30:32] Speaker B: Asgardian. [00:30:33] Speaker A: And she joined up with the Guardians of the Galaxy for a bit, but. So if you play Marvel, snap, you can play an Angela card. [00:30:38] Speaker C: That's hilarious. I had no idea. [00:30:40] Speaker A: Yeah, she has a long journey. She died and went to the Marvel universe is where she went. Yeah. Melinda Clark does a good job in this movie. She's like, you do miss her once she leaves. And that's funny, because there are, like, five fucking villains in this movie. [00:30:53] Speaker C: It's wild, too. When I was. When I was, like, younger, before, I watched this again, first in my mind, because she. They kind of looked similar. I always thought it was Mila Jovovich in this movie as that character, and then I was, like, going for that look. Yeah, they definitely. [00:31:08] Speaker B: Yeah, she does have that vaguely. Vaguely russian sense. Is she russian? [00:31:15] Speaker A: I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Just like Xenia on the top or. [00:31:19] Speaker B: That was also real big in the nineties was russian. [00:31:22] Speaker C: Russian villain segment. That's big since forever. Yeah. I feel like since, like, the cold war, they're like, the bad. The big bads. Armies. [00:31:34] Speaker A: Yeah, they're just a good short. It was either terrorists or Russians in the nineties. [00:31:37] Speaker B: Yeah, or russian terrorists. [00:31:39] Speaker A: Or russian terrorists. Air Force one. Speaking of Air Force one. [00:31:43] Speaker B: Oh, she. She was in the Brian Adams video for have you ever really loved a woman? Nice. [00:31:48] Speaker A: Oh, there you go. Basically, Jason Wynn tells them they got to go blow up this factory or. [00:31:55] Speaker B: This chemical or north korean chemical plant where they're making, which. [00:32:02] Speaker C: This is very. This is very. This seems like very reminiscent, kind of. Of like the, uh. Not exactly, but it's like in. In Goldeneye, when they go and destroy the chemical facility, and there's a double cross, you know, and it turns out, oh, wait, this person's the villain. I mean, you don't know that in Goldeneye at that time, but it was giving me the same vibes. [00:32:23] Speaker B: I am invincible. [00:32:25] Speaker A: Yeah. I swear, that level in the video game, you gotta throw up all the. [00:32:28] Speaker C: Little bombs on it. [00:32:30] Speaker B: Yeah, this wouldn't. This shouldn't surprise you, Johnny, but I was terrible at the video game. [00:32:36] Speaker A: Shocking. Positively shocking. You probably played. Did they let you play oddjob? Cause you were so bad. [00:32:44] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, they let me play oddjob in the versus. [00:32:47] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Dude, we put so many hours into that game, me and Caleb and our neighbor across the street, doing just multiplayer of all varieties, like the Moonraker laser, one shot kills and, like, just all kind of stuff on. That was so fun. Eating hot tamales all day long. [00:33:03] Speaker B: Nice. [00:33:04] Speaker A: What was hot tamale? Oh, eating hot tamales. [00:33:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:07] Speaker A: That was our game mode. [00:33:09] Speaker C: That was our go to candy at that point. I remember we would always, like, we get, like, a bag of those hot tamales and then sit down and play just like, hours of Goldeneye multiplayer. [00:33:18] Speaker A: Mine was skittles. [00:33:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:21] Speaker A: Whenever I eat skittles, I reminded of the game mischief makers on n 64 because I got it for my birthday and I got a big bag of the biggest bag of skittles. So when I played that game, I was just shoving skittles in my mouth. [00:33:32] Speaker B: Like, dang, skittles are delicious, though. [00:33:37] Speaker C: Do you see the new Skittles minis? Has anybody tried those? [00:33:40] Speaker A: I feel like they wouldn't be good because the inside, the Skittles. The good part. [00:33:43] Speaker B: Yeah, because that's the part that makes it more like a gummy candy. [00:33:47] Speaker C: But they're, like, in the m and m mini, like, tubes. And I always loved that as, like, a container. I'm like, oh, damn, I want to try. [00:33:53] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, I was. Put my quarters in them. [00:33:56] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:33:57] Speaker A: Hey, hold your quarters. [00:33:59] Speaker B: Not. Not quite big enough for pogs, though. [00:34:01] Speaker A: No, they're not, dude. [00:34:02] Speaker C: I still have a sleeve of pugs, I think, in my parents house somewhere. [00:34:06] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. [00:34:07] Speaker A: Hopefully you got some spogs, which are the bogs. [00:34:10] Speaker C: Oh, dude. I don't know. [00:34:12] Speaker A: Probably not. But they had them. They were there. I had some jurassic park pogs all together. Yeah, I remember I had a lot. [00:34:19] Speaker B: Of ones with eight balls on them. [00:34:20] Speaker C: Eight balls, yeah, that was a big one. I remember. And skulls. I remember having eight balls and skulls on some pogs. For sure. [00:34:28] Speaker A: Pogs were kind of ska adjacent. They had a lot of ska imagery. [00:34:31] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:34:32] Speaker B: With the black and white check. [00:34:34] Speaker A: Yes, the black and white check. [00:34:35] Speaker B: And you gotta pick them up, pick. [00:34:36] Speaker A: Them up, pick them up, pick them up. Let's go. Exactly. [00:34:41] Speaker B: I like. I like how it's very clearly the outside of this is filmed in Toronto. There's goddamn CB tower there. [00:34:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:51] Speaker B: CBCN, whatever. [00:34:54] Speaker A: That's hilarious. For North Korea, they just subjected. [00:34:56] Speaker B: No, no, no. For New York. Sorry. [00:34:58] Speaker A: Over New York. [00:34:59] Speaker B: Sorry. I've got it playing. I've had to back up for you, like, four times, John. [00:35:03] Speaker A: Hey, you guys keep talking about this stuff. So they spray a green. A green flammable agent on him out of her gun. [00:35:11] Speaker C: Dude, that was hilarious to me. She just had this special gun with, like, flammable goo attachment. [00:35:19] Speaker A: And then they just, he flicks his clove at him and they burn up Al Simmons. [00:35:24] Speaker B: And then he. [00:35:25] Speaker A: Why are they doing this? Because he objected to what he had to do. [00:35:30] Speaker C: Right. Then, like, they told him, like, what they were going to do. And he's like, I'm not going to let you do this. [00:35:37] Speaker A: That's right. And so then they blow up the whole factory. And so this scene is extended in the director's cut. There's, like, a bunch of him burning and stuff, which they don't show. [00:35:45] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. In the one I just watched, he was like, literally they show, like, his arm catch fire, and then he's like. He sort of waves it. There's not even, like, screaming or anything like that. And then he just, they just, like, cut to them running. And then Martin Sheen, like, hits the button or whatever, and then it cuts back and shows everything exploding. And his body's just, like, already laying on the ground covered in fire, you know? [00:36:08] Speaker A: Right. Yeah. You don't even really see it, but the director's cut, I guess they show him, like, burning, which probably would have been. Makes more sense because you have to sell those wounds. And I don't think it really sells them that well with what we see. Yeah, you don't really get the transformation. [00:36:25] Speaker C: I bet it was like another, you know, studio decision for, like, the writing, you know? [00:36:31] Speaker A: No, it was. Yeah. Because the director's cuts rated r and the studio basically demanded they get a pg 13 once the budget went up to 40 million. Because you got to get that kid audience. Yeah, I think it probably. Well, I wish I would have watched the rated our cut now. Maybe I will. That'll be next time we cover it. Wow. There we go. We can cover the director. [00:36:48] Speaker B: Sounds good. [00:36:50] Speaker A: Next time we do it for our 200th episode. And then, so spawn just kind of just flashes after he dies. And then he wakes up on the roof at the church, all crispy and clowns there taunting him. [00:37:05] Speaker C: Extra crispy. [00:37:06] Speaker A: And we get our first appearance of John Legos, almost clown, who is definitely the performance of the movie. [00:37:17] Speaker C: He's definitely highlighted the movie. [00:37:18] Speaker B: Best part. [00:37:19] Speaker C: It astounds me, too, because I'm, like, watching it again. I thought it the first time I saw it as well. I'm always just like, dude, that performance had to be incredibly uncomfortable because he's, like, in a massive suit, for one thing. [00:37:32] Speaker B: And he's like. He's like, crouching down because he's not a tall man. He's not that short. [00:37:36] Speaker C: He's not that short. So I'm like, that dude's, like, in a crouch, basically, for every scene he's in, moving around in that crouch, and I, like, for how many cuts and takes or whatever that is, I'm like, I bet that was, like, a pain, you know, and still keeping the energy. [00:37:52] Speaker A: Up and, like, keeping all those. [00:37:54] Speaker C: Yeah. His energy so high the whole time. And, like, you know, it's. He's great. [00:38:01] Speaker B: He really. He really sells all the fart jokes. [00:38:03] Speaker C: Not to mention, like, how much that. I don't know how, what he's always weighed, but I. That's extra weight on you in a crouch. You're just, like, working out the whole time. You're just doing squats all day, like, you know. [00:38:14] Speaker A: And then Cogliostro, the clown, that kind of taunts him, and cog comes and stares at him, and it's just like, hello, I'm Cogliostro. And then he kind of walks him around Rat City. And they call it Rat City in this. Yeah, the rat city is a new comic, Logan, that they just started. [00:38:32] Speaker C: Oh, nice. He's a holy place. [00:38:35] Speaker A: It is. In the new comic. It's the name of a comic that's about a cyberpunk spawn in the future. [00:38:41] Speaker B: It's dope. [00:38:42] Speaker A: Who's from Rat City. Yeah, it's really good. Then you get this classic nineties kid. I feel like this kid was in so much. [00:38:50] Speaker C: Yeah. And just nineties commercial kid, too. [00:38:53] Speaker B: Like, nineties kid named Zack. Every nineties kid was named Zach, pretty much. [00:38:59] Speaker A: Well, let me see what else this kid was in. Hold on. Because he was in a lot of shit. He's, like, really recognizable. [00:39:04] Speaker B: Miko Hughes. [00:39:06] Speaker A: Is that his name? [00:39:07] Speaker B: Yeah. Or Maiko. Miko. Maiko. Miko. I'd say Maiko. [00:39:14] Speaker A: Oh, he's in kindergarten cop, Mercury rising. Oh, he's the pet cemetery kid who's. [00:39:20] Speaker B: An Apollo 13 kindergarten cop. [00:39:22] Speaker C: Great movie. [00:39:24] Speaker B: He was. [00:39:25] Speaker A: He was the pet sematary kid. That's why he's so recognizable. [00:39:27] Speaker C: Yeah, dude, actually, I'm thinking of a different movie. You know what? I actually don't think I've ever seen pet Sematary. [00:39:35] Speaker B: I've never seen pet Sematary. [00:39:37] Speaker A: It's pretty good. Books. Better. [00:39:42] Speaker C: Which mo haven't they redone pet Sematary a couple times too? [00:39:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:46] Speaker A: There's a remake and a sequel to. [00:39:48] Speaker B: The remake, but it's a new. A new series. [00:39:52] Speaker C: Speaking of series, I haven't watched it, but is the. How's the HBO spawn series? [00:39:59] Speaker A: It's good. [00:40:00] Speaker B: It's good. [00:40:00] Speaker A: It's very grimdark. [00:40:02] Speaker B: Okay. I love that so much. Like, this movie doesn't have a plot and also doesn't really focus on characterization. In lieu of its focusing on its plot. The HBO series doesn't really so much have a plot, but it does really build on that characterization. [00:40:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:23] Speaker B: So you actually feel like you ended up somewhere at the end of it versus this, where it's just like, wait, what? [00:40:30] Speaker A: They did some stuff. [00:40:32] Speaker B: This. This movie tries so hard to not actually do anything. It's ridiculous. [00:40:38] Speaker A: Kaguyo STr gives him his cool, unhoused person cloak. [00:40:42] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:40:43] Speaker B: He stumbles off down the street to go to the house that he already. [00:40:47] Speaker C: Yeah. I'm just like, also, like, where'd you get that? You, like, a cloak appears, and you. A cloak appears exactly to his fit. I'm like, did you magic that cloak up? What's up with that? [00:40:57] Speaker B: Well, I mean, he's had five years to look for one, so, you know, that's true. Somebody's had to have thrown away a cloak in five years. [00:41:04] Speaker A: You mentioned that Roger Ebert gave this a good review. He said it was like an art. If you watch, like, an art film that doesn't have a plot, that it's great. He gave it, like, three and a half stars. [00:41:12] Speaker C: It was, like, funny. Was it three and a half? Yeah, I remember there was. I was reading three and a half out of four. [00:41:18] Speaker B: That's a massive score. [00:41:20] Speaker C: A huge argument between him and Siskel about it just at the time. [00:41:25] Speaker A: Look that up. [00:41:26] Speaker B: Like, johnny, if we had started this podcast way earlier, we could have gotten good old, good old. I already forgot his name. Wow. [00:41:35] Speaker A: Roger. [00:41:36] Speaker B: We could have Roger Ebert on the show talking about issues of spawns. [00:41:42] Speaker C: Man. [00:41:43] Speaker B: Legitimate. [00:41:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:44] Speaker C: I think Cisco gave it, like, I mean, I don't know how many stars he even. I think he said his quote that I saw was like, he. He would. He. It lost him two minutes in. Like, I was like, what? [00:41:59] Speaker A: That's hilarious. I just accepted it because I knew the spawn story. So, like, I already knew when I was a kid, like, what his origins were. So he's fine for me. [00:42:08] Speaker B: So then we get the. Then we get the birthday party scene, and we get. [00:42:13] Speaker C: Which is the grill creepy. Like, if you easily that do, like, the worst crawling out of a bush, like, toward your daughter. [00:42:22] Speaker B: Clown you hired for the birthday party. [00:42:24] Speaker A: Yeah, it's disgusting. Clown in the world for the birthday party. [00:42:29] Speaker C: Just, like, gross teeth and just being, like, just, like, terrified. [00:42:34] Speaker B: Yeah, we get that thing where Spaz recognizes Al and just won't leave him alone. [00:42:39] Speaker A: Right? Yeah, get out of here. Spaz. I, uh. Yeah, it'd be pretty creepy if a spawn just crawled up to your daughter in your backyard. [00:42:47] Speaker C: Like, who the fuck is that? What is that? Like, yeah, get out of your guy. [00:42:52] Speaker B: And then clown. Clown gives him the little rundown of, you know, what he's supposed to. [00:42:56] Speaker C: He calls him crispy. [00:42:58] Speaker B: I'm here to be your guide to teach you to do the things you're supposed to do. While he's eating donuts and showing his poopy undies. [00:43:10] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:43:10] Speaker B: That's so ridiculous. [00:43:12] Speaker C: Talking about classic nineties comedy of that. That's like a straight picture of that scene right there. [00:43:20] Speaker A: Every time a demon farts, an angel gets its wings. Yeah, twins. [00:43:24] Speaker C: Well, that would have been a good opening quote. [00:43:27] Speaker A: Yeah. I should have said that. [00:43:29] Speaker B: That was. He's got so many good things that he's got all the best quips. [00:43:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:43:37] Speaker B: And then while, well, I was. [00:43:39] Speaker A: I was impressed that he was able to take off the clown costume. While wearing the clown costume underneath. [00:43:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:43:45] Speaker A: He takes off the birthday party clown costume. And, like, in camera, like, he does it. That's pretty impressive. [00:43:51] Speaker C: I think it's. If I remember right, both time I was watching, I think I. Both times that he takes a costume off, it's clearly, like, split up the back. And he just, like, pulls it off his front. Because he does it later with something else too. So I was like, that's, like, a good. Just costume design, because there's no way he's good reaching around, like, behind him, really, with that kind of. And he just sort of, like, rips it off the front. And it's just probably, like, velcro splits in the back or something. [00:44:18] Speaker B: I don't think he can lift his arms further than this in that suit. [00:44:23] Speaker A: Yeah, he kind of lays out. This is the scene where he lays out that, like, spawn is going to be the general of Hell's army. [00:44:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:44:29] Speaker A: That he's kind of there to test him. [00:44:31] Speaker C: Uh huh. [00:44:32] Speaker B: And then Al's having a hard time believing it. So we get to go to the most iconic. The most iconic scene in the movie. Johnny. I love that spawn visiting Al Simmons's grave. [00:44:44] Speaker A: Oh, yes. Of course. With, there's a. The joke is, Logan, that there was an action figure playset of that scene. And the feature on the box said, hit the button to reveal Al Simmons corpse, which is, like, something kids are really excited about. [00:45:01] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:45:02] Speaker A: Before we get that, we get the first really big glimpse of hell in Malbolgia. Because he sends spawn down there. [00:45:07] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's right. [00:45:08] Speaker A: And he goes the flashback to when he died. [00:45:11] Speaker C: So in this scene, when you first see, like, the armies of Hell and stuff around, like, they all basically look like spawn. Is that, like, a canon thing, or is that just for. Okay. [00:45:23] Speaker A: It was at one point. It kind of has. Yeah. I mean, all spawns look similar, but there was a very famous issue, issue number eight by Alan Moore, where it does a pullback and you see, like, millions of spawns. [00:45:35] Speaker C: Okay. [00:45:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:37] Speaker A: So, yes, it was a thing, but it was something at this time, but it was never really explored. [00:45:43] Speaker B: So. So they're the. So the. The suit. [00:45:47] Speaker C: You also saw a bunch that, like. [00:45:49] Speaker B: Form of the army of hell. So all of them that are dressed up like him. That's. That's hell's army. [00:45:55] Speaker C: Okay. [00:45:56] Speaker A: Yes. And there are some. There's some other fleabiacs in there, too. [00:46:00] Speaker B: I'm sure. [00:46:00] Speaker A: Those look like violence. [00:46:01] Speaker B: I just like that. The. The gaggle of spawns, they just reuse that same little clip over and over again because there's that one that's like crab walking, and everything's just shaking. [00:46:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:46:15] Speaker B: You can see the whole crab walk guy. [00:46:17] Speaker C: There's the one that just looks like he's laughing the whole time. He's like, well, it's like they took. [00:46:22] Speaker A: Frames out because they're, like, herky jerky. They look almost, like, animated. [00:46:25] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:46:25] Speaker A: Funny. [00:46:26] Speaker B: I wonder if those are all Michael J. [00:46:27] Speaker C: White. He just didn't. [00:46:29] Speaker B: They just had him spend a day in different poses and. [00:46:36] Speaker C: Industrial light and magic it to be, like, shitloads of him. Yeah, could be. [00:46:40] Speaker A: Yeah, it would make do weird shit as spawn. [00:46:44] Speaker C: Yeah, he's like, all right. Yeah. For, like, 2 hours, he was just doing weird shit. [00:46:49] Speaker B: Well, this is. [00:46:50] Speaker A: We get our first appearance of Frank Welker as Malbolgia. As we all know, he has been a voice of many, many, many things. There's a podcast called the Frank Welker Wonder hour that just covers things that he's been in. But he was the voice of Optimus. [00:47:09] Speaker B: Prime, and he's also the voice of Freddy and Scooby Doo. [00:47:14] Speaker A: Oh, my God, how prolific. But he voices Mount Bolger, who doesn't move his mouth when he talks, I'm assuming for budgetary reasons. [00:47:22] Speaker C: Yes. [00:47:23] Speaker B: Also. [00:47:23] Speaker A: Cause evidently, they got these special effects in two weeks before the movie premiered. So it's. [00:47:28] Speaker B: It's straight up n 64 cutscene. Yeah. [00:47:32] Speaker A: Oh, that one is. [00:47:33] Speaker B: It looks like it's straight out of. [00:47:35] Speaker C: Fucking stuff from hell, man. It's like, that's the only thing about this movie. When it comes the CGI is, I'm like, I really love how like, you know, the suit and everything looks with the cape and like, violator looks good. Like anytime they go to hell, it's just like, what the fuck am I looking at right now? You know, it's so disconnected and disjointed everywhere. [00:47:55] Speaker A: Like, I'm gonna send you. [00:47:57] Speaker C: It makes sense that it got there just that that amount of time before the movie was to be released. [00:48:05] Speaker A: Logan, I'm just about to send you. They originally made a puppet and I sex it to you. It looks so much better. [00:48:13] Speaker B: Are you sure that puppet is not the violator puppet? [00:48:15] Speaker A: It's no bullshit. [00:48:17] Speaker B: Okay. Cuz there's, there's a lot of violator puppet. [00:48:20] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, see what? That looks so cool. Yeah, that looks so cool, man. Like any kind of time you can use practical effects and puppetry. I'm like, dude, just use it. It looks so fucking cool, man. [00:48:34] Speaker B: Like, yeah, it really does. [00:48:37] Speaker A: Yeah, it looks way better than the CG one. So what it was, they were so behind on budget. They took the werewolves from american werewolf in. What's the sequel? Paris in Paris, I think. [00:48:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:48:55] Speaker A: And they elongated it and that's why his body's all hairy and looks like a werewolf. [00:48:59] Speaker C: Okay. [00:49:00] Speaker A: Had time to. To do. And that's bullshit's body is. But yeah, they, they really rushed. The hell effects were obviously very, very rushed and they didn't know how to really do fire cg. [00:49:14] Speaker C: Yeah, the fire cg. And the, especially in the battle later when they're doing, when they're having the battle and like, the sequences are going like, so and so is moving here and getting through. And they. I was like, wait, what? What's happening? Where are you going? Are you being thrown vertically? Horizontally? Like, I'm just. It was so, like, just mishmashed here and there. I was like, I have no idea. Cagliostro just like, disappears. He just gets thrown off is like. [00:49:41] Speaker A: Oh, and we get the scene. Spawn yells at Mal, Bolshevik, I will lead your army. [00:49:49] Speaker C: Yeah. They give them a choice. Like, you want to see Wanda again? Yes. [00:49:53] Speaker A: And then the clown explains to him that they want him to kill Jason. [00:49:57] Speaker C: Wynn, which this is a hilarious, like, the whole plot, like the plan of Jason Nguyen. And so he was like, he's gonna be made, I guess, ruler of earth in the original thing, that clown tells him if he goes along with making this, like, you know, heat 16. Yeah, heat 16. This apocalypse, plague. And then I just let love at the beginning, he's like. And we had the only antidote. And he just, like, tosses it. I was like, well, and then later, when the, when the doctor is like, oh, yeah, we got an idea. Like, you know, it'll keep you safe. We should put a dead man switch on you that triggers this apocalypse. You die. And he's like, yes, doctor, I think that's a great idea. It was so ridiculous. I'm like, no, it's what it was like, yeah, no one will kill me. I'm like, yeah, but what happens if you. You, like, fall down some stairs or, like, have a heart attack and still apocalypse trigger, you know? [00:51:02] Speaker B: Yeah, he's on sufficient amounts of cocaine. That should have been a worry. [00:51:07] Speaker A: Yeah, you're right, David. We get to the scene where we meet Al Simmons corpse. And I love that there's just a random group of satanists, satanist bikers just. [00:51:18] Speaker C: Doing a ceremony there, stabbing a skull and was still upon your dark powers or whatever the guy says. [00:51:25] Speaker A: Yeah. And so they dig up the corpse, and they get a great shot of, like, the CG arm comes out and chokes him for a second, has CG dust coming off of it, and then fades away. And that's where spawn picks up his locker. [00:51:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:40] Speaker A: And you get some more of those flashes of those scenes where obviously they filmed scenes with him and Wanda together that we only see flashes of. And it's like, why didn't you show us this? Because the movie was already overstuffed as it is, probably. [00:51:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:52] Speaker A: I like the clown's face and the shovel. [00:51:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. That doesn't come through from the other side. You notice there's no. There's no negative imprint. It's just the one on. [00:52:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:04] Speaker B: Smooth on the back. And then. And then Al, like, gets so upset that he puts out his protective. His protective k seven letha suit. [00:52:17] Speaker A: Yeah, this is the first time it's really popped out. [00:52:20] Speaker B: As clown says, he's taken to it much faster than he should have. So I guess it's finally time. [00:52:25] Speaker C: Normally it takes a while. [00:52:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess he's finally hit the point where he realizes he's dead enough that the symbiote can come out and not overwhelm him. [00:52:36] Speaker A: And the suit, like we said, the transformation of the suit looks cool. The suit, super cool. Looks good. [00:52:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:42] Speaker A: Translated like, they translated really well. Like, and it wasn't, like, in the nineties. A lot of times they were just. Everything would be black leather. And this does have, like, a textured look to it, but they really did a good job with the texture and still keeping the basic design of spawn. [00:52:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:00] Speaker A: The only complaint is that you didn't have the cape all the time. I guess that was for budget and technical reasons. [00:53:05] Speaker B: Yeah. I imagine trying to keep that cape around while he's walking around would have been, oh, yeah. [00:53:11] Speaker C: I love the shot where he's, like, after he's, like, first kind of transforming, using. He's up on the, you know, the high perch. And the cape is, like, blowing forever far. And you just see, like, the. The huge cape. I love that. All that bit of spawn when he's in any kind of scene in the cape is just, like, massive, you know? [00:53:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:29] Speaker A: Yeah. That's pretty classic. [00:53:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:53:31] Speaker B: Also, that shovels pretty excellent. [00:53:33] Speaker C: The. [00:53:34] Speaker B: The post, the pole of it isn't just wood. It's bones. It's bones, like, stuck together. It's pretty great. [00:53:42] Speaker A: And then in this next scene where they go back to the alley, he eats a pizza piece covered in maggots. [00:53:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:48] Speaker A: Evidently John Leguizamo actually did. And then went and threw up immediately after. [00:53:52] Speaker B: Oh, geez. [00:53:54] Speaker A: He took, like, a bite. I couldn't do it. [00:53:56] Speaker B: Seriously. Committing to this man. [00:53:59] Speaker A: Not that I couldn't. I just wouldn't do it. I'd be like, can you give me some fake maggots, please? [00:54:03] Speaker C: Yeah, we're just like. [00:54:05] Speaker B: He's like, ew, anchovies. [00:54:09] Speaker C: Yeah. Oh, God, that's gross. Yeah, I just be like, oh, no, man. I don't. I'm gonna take a bite of real maggots, dude. [00:54:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, you could see him, his little waddle away. We're gonna throw it fast. Just cut it at the last part. [00:54:24] Speaker C: At the last second, dude. Huge prop. [00:54:27] Speaker A: This is your favorite, where cog just pops in and shows him his sword. [00:54:30] Speaker C: He's Joseph. His sword. He's like, yeah, but he doesn't even say, I used to be spawn. He's just like, what? Does he even ever say that? He says at one point, he says. [00:54:42] Speaker A: He was a hell spawn at one. [00:54:43] Speaker C: Does he? [00:54:44] Speaker A: But it's just like a throw off line. Pretty sure. [00:54:46] Speaker C: See, I was just thinking he was like, yeah, I've been around a long time or whatever. [00:54:50] Speaker A: Like, because he was actually the first. [00:54:54] Speaker B: Hell spawn he helped. He and clown together, made the symbiote that is the suit. [00:55:03] Speaker A: Because I don't know if we told you, but here in the comics, it is revealed that he is Kane from the Bible. [00:55:07] Speaker C: Kane? Yeah. [00:55:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Using enough rocks in this movie. [00:55:11] Speaker A: And then he's, like, loves killing people. [00:55:13] Speaker C: The rock is still is like, he. He, like, basically is a bad guy the whole time, actually. Yeah. He's, like, waiting to trick spawn to become the ruler of hell, essentially. [00:55:25] Speaker A: He is always after his own means. I don't know if he's necessarily a bad guy. He gets more ruthless and evil about it, but he's always kind of been looking out for himself the whole time. [00:55:37] Speaker B: The best part about him shooting out his sword is he didn't even shoot out his sword to show it to Aldouse. He shouted out to show. [00:55:45] Speaker C: Yeah, that's hilarious. He just, like, pulls it out, and he's like, yes, I can do magic stuff. [00:55:52] Speaker A: It's, like in solo when Darth Maul shows up and just turns on his lightsaber to Kira, and it's like, yeah, she knows you have a fucking lightsaber, dude. Why do you turn on your lightsaber? Yeah. [00:55:59] Speaker C: What? Yeah, she knows who you are. [00:56:01] Speaker A: Yeah, he just turns it on. He's like, yeah, she knows your Darth maul, dude. Thank you. Thank you for showing us. [00:56:07] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:08] Speaker B: And then from there, we go to the AsICS headquarters. Not asics, the shoes. Asics. The covert operations. [00:56:19] Speaker A: Right. Because they didn't want to use the actual CIA, I guess. [00:56:22] Speaker B: And then as it zooms into one of those narrow, narrow windows, which means that this is obviously a prison, we get to see our buddy Johnny, our buddy Brock. The shock on the television. [00:56:37] Speaker A: There he is. [00:56:38] Speaker B: He's on my view on too. And he's doing the air quotes on everything. The. The Rush Limbaugh esque guy, Logan. [00:56:48] Speaker C: Okay. [00:56:49] Speaker A: Then they show for a second he's a character in the comics. [00:56:52] Speaker B: Yeah, because they have pundits. They have the CNN, which is just the facts. Then they have the info news, which is kind of a loosey goosey, vaguely disguised, or thinly veiled gay commentary on the news. And then they've got the Rush Limbaugh guy, who's just fucking wild, and the Rush Limbaugh guy, every time he shows up, he's on a different channel because. [00:57:21] Speaker A: He always gets fired. [00:57:22] Speaker B: Because he always gets fired. Or he's just, like, a guest opinion host. Turns out he's actually a demon wins. [00:57:29] Speaker A: Kind of explaining his plan to Jessica. He's saying this. Make the heat 16. Makes Ebola look like a skin rash. [00:57:37] Speaker C: Like a skin rash. Yeah. [00:57:40] Speaker A: And this is the scene where he throws the antidote. He tosses the heat just, like, the one vial. [00:57:45] Speaker C: Like, yeah, we are the ones with the only antidote. And he, like, holds up the only antidote and just casually tosses it, like, at her, not a small distance. [00:57:55] Speaker B: I also like that convention of the. The cure is always just like, a glowing blue. [00:58:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:03] Speaker A: Yes. Any antidote's got a blue vial? [00:58:07] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:07] Speaker B: My. My childhood would lead me to believe that I would be surrounded by many, many, many more glowing blue vials in a lab than I ever am. [00:58:16] Speaker A: You gotta drink some fabuloso, and you'll be good. [00:58:19] Speaker B: Mmm. Fabulouso. [00:58:21] Speaker A: Smells so good. [00:58:23] Speaker B: Also, I also like this computer system that they have. Every time they do something, it announces what it's doing. [00:58:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:32] Speaker B: So later, when Terry's trying to be real covert and it says exactly what he's doing very loudly. [00:58:41] Speaker C: He does a touchscreen on the just regular monitor. He does one touchscreen moment on it where he just hits a button. [00:58:50] Speaker B: Yeah, he. He zooms with the CNN lady without having a webcam. [00:58:56] Speaker C: Yeah, that was. Scene was cracking me up because it was like one of those. Just, like, watching it, it was like, obviously, a very. Just, like, pre recorded. This girl is just, like, doing a line. They're like, all right, pause a little bit here. All right, now deliver your next line. You know, like, then we got. [00:59:14] Speaker B: Then we get very important, very important scene from the first 40 30 issues of comic book Johnny. Al Simmons stealing all of the weapons. [00:59:26] Speaker A: Yes. He does this a lot. [00:59:29] Speaker B: Yeah, he steals the weapons, especially since Coleostro said that he should preserve his necro energies. And he's like, well, you know what? I know. I know. Guns. I'm gonna go get some. [00:59:40] Speaker A: He does have some cool ass guns in this. [00:59:42] Speaker C: Guns. [00:59:43] Speaker A: I love the part later in the party where he jumps off and just shooting in the air. [00:59:48] Speaker C: Yeah, dude, when he does the flip and he just. Some of those rounds are just going to the ceiling and stuff. [00:59:55] Speaker B: I do love, especially for Jason wins guns, they take, like, a nerf gun and make it a super nineties comic book gun. So they've all got, like, this extra stuff on them to make them look wild and futuristic. [01:00:10] Speaker C: Yeah, it does look like they just all have, like, that plastic. Like, there was that era of Nerf gun where they were just, like, all vertically, like it was, you know, they all have. [01:00:22] Speaker A: Yeah, I like Jessica Priest's guns, too. She gets the double, like, driving the laptop gun in perfect dark. [01:00:28] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:00:30] Speaker B: I'm pretty sure in this scene with Terry Fitzgerald and Jason Wynn that Martin Sheen is actually drinking that whiskey that he pours himself. I don't think he's supposed to. [01:00:40] Speaker A: He's on the third or fourth take, and then. Yeah, he's drunk. Yeah. You get some scene with Terry to kind of set up his subplot of like, looking at files and shit. But then you get to the party scene, and this is kind of the big trailer shot where he comes down, but. [01:00:58] Speaker B: And. And Terry sees the. The disc just labeled special ops. Just out in front of everybody. [01:01:05] Speaker A: And I like that. It's like a smaller disk just to be cooler. [01:01:09] Speaker C: Look, it's cool. [01:01:10] Speaker B: And there's Angela. You see her in the party scene. She's just walking around in her green dress with her trophy earrings. Because that's what. That's what those little emblems are, Logan. Whenever an angel kills a hellspawn, it, like, collapses into just that little. That little circle emblem. [01:01:27] Speaker C: Okay? [01:01:27] Speaker B: And it's a trophy. So all of the angels who are spawn hunters, we'll collect them, have them. Okay? And then. And then we'll, like, compare, display them. Yeah, it's kind of. It's kind of like a challenge coin, I guess. If they ever. If two spawn hunter angels ever meet in a bar. And one of them. One of them throws down a trophy and the other one doesn't have one on them, then they have to buy everybody a drink or something. [01:01:50] Speaker C: They're like, what a bitch. [01:01:53] Speaker A: I'm going to take my spawn coin to spawn con. And then slap it down as a challenge coin. [01:01:57] Speaker B: You should do that. You should do that. [01:01:59] Speaker A: And they have to buy me a drink. I'll get so many. [01:02:02] Speaker B: There's sufficient ex military people who like spawn that I think. I think you definitely get your free drink out of it. [01:02:09] Speaker A: All right. Speaking of free drinks, Jason wins. Passing up martinis. These, like diplomats partying down. [01:02:18] Speaker B: Yeah. And then Jessica Priest shows up with her little thing. Her little earpiece. [01:02:25] Speaker A: Yes. Looking very, very perfect. Dark, very nineties, two thousands. Secret op. [01:02:34] Speaker B: This party scene came way earlier in the movie than I remembered it coming. I remembered it being more of near a climax. [01:02:41] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:02:42] Speaker B: But it's not. It's not even. [01:02:44] Speaker C: It's like, kind of. Yeah, it's about dead middle. [01:02:47] Speaker B: Like, there's so much. There's so much in this movie. It's like. It's like Oppenheimer, only sloppy. [01:02:57] Speaker A: Sloppenheimer. [01:02:58] Speaker C: Sloppenheimer. [01:03:00] Speaker B: Especially, especially sloppy. Later when clown gets on the truck and drops the necro goo. [01:03:06] Speaker A: Yes. [01:03:06] Speaker B: Which he calls necro goo. [01:03:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:03:10] Speaker A: Which has one of my favorite parts of the movie. That scene. I will go into real depth when we get to it, the truck explodes. The clown's just flying away and goes, see you at Wanda. Yeah, yeah, I'll see you Wanda's. [01:03:23] Speaker B: I like how he's a lot of cool stuff. [01:03:25] Speaker C: Right. [01:03:26] Speaker B: He's just, like, laying on his back, and they filmed him, and then they just, like, turn. It's great. [01:03:31] Speaker C: Like, the party scene, you get this, and, like, in the immediate aftermath, you get to see the coolest bit of, like, spawn suit stuff in the movie. For sure. [01:03:38] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely. And the fight with her. And Jessica's cool with him, and Jessica is cool. [01:03:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:03:43] Speaker A: And, uh, it is funny. It's a little ridiculous that, uh, that his, uh, belt buckle comes and stops her from kicking him in the cross. [01:03:54] Speaker C: As, like, a dick. It's like a, it looks like it's, he's just, like, gets a boner with teeth that just, like, bites her leg when she goes to kick him. [01:04:03] Speaker A: Like, and then he's just, like, uh, brutally kills Jessica. Priest just, like, shoots her. [01:04:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I like, I like her bedazzled. Like, she's, she's all, it's a little sparkly and, like, covert ops gear, but she's got a bedazzled fucking midrange. What's that called? Corset. It's a bedazzled corset. [01:04:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:24] Speaker A: Yes. Now she's looking stylish, and she's got, like, a cool backpack on that has, like, bullets or something in it. I don't know. [01:04:31] Speaker C: She has a cool stunt fall too, for the death, like, from the top down into the table. That's like, a cool stunt performance. [01:04:39] Speaker A: Yeah. You got some good sense of this. Yeah. Then spawns running around. He's trying to escape the part when. [01:04:44] Speaker C: He does, like, the climbing on the building. And he gets, like, this super sticky. [01:04:49] Speaker A: Hand, you know, like this, like an octopus hand. [01:04:53] Speaker C: Yeah, or, yeah, like some kind of rain frog. He's just like, or like a tree frog. [01:04:57] Speaker B: He's like, I like how the deviled eggs are actually violator clown eggs. [01:05:04] Speaker A: They're like green deviled eggs. [01:05:06] Speaker B: They're, they're blue. They're his face. [01:05:08] Speaker A: Oh, they are? [01:05:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:10] Speaker A: I didn't notice. [01:05:10] Speaker C: I didn't notice that. I love to when he's climbing the wall and he, like, has the perfect hiding spot. Oh. And then just, like, he gives it up. I'm just like, why don't you just stay there? [01:05:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:21] Speaker C: Like the cape. Like, fully, just like, everybody's like, where is he lost? I'm just like, yeah, cool. Just stay there. And then he's just like, I was like, is it a thing where he's not fully in control of his powers yet? And so it just kind of fades and he, without his concentration or something. But I was like, man, you should have just chilled there, man. [01:05:40] Speaker A: Should have chilled there for a long time. [01:05:41] Speaker B: The most. The most emotion that comes out in Michael J. Wise white's voice in this entire film is when he goes, hell, yeah. And then climbs. [01:05:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:05:53] Speaker B: It's the best hell yeah I've ever heard. [01:05:57] Speaker A: I like when he heals and goes, damn it. But, yeah, spawn eventually escapes also. Hey, hear me out. I don't know why, but there's a few beats in this movie that really remind me of the Dark Knight. Just like, him trying to escape from the cops and stuff. The building thing. And then the truck chase with the clown. [01:06:18] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:06:19] Speaker A: And he's, like, shooting grenade launcher. [01:06:21] Speaker B: And then they go on lower fifth. [01:06:24] Speaker A: Exactly. [01:06:25] Speaker C: It is. It does feel very similar. Similar vibes, for sure. [01:06:29] Speaker A: I wonder if Christopher Nolan was a big spawn fan. He would never admit it. That fucker. [01:06:34] Speaker B: Too many cell phones in this movie for him, Johnny. [01:06:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:06:37] Speaker B: As rudimentary as they are, doesn't have a cell phone. [01:06:41] Speaker A: Well, congratulations, Chris Nolan. I'm glad you're rich enough that you don't need a cell phone. [01:06:45] Speaker C: Yeah, for real. [01:06:45] Speaker B: I love this fucking church that they just. Even though it's a CGI church, it's still pretty good. Just, like gothic ass church dropped in the middle of city with its flying buttresses. [01:06:58] Speaker A: Yeah, the roof's pretty cool with, like, the other flying buttresses and everything. [01:07:02] Speaker C: This is, like, his mortal Kombat entrance is, like, from the top of that church steeple with the cape all around. [01:07:09] Speaker A: Yeah, they just added him to mortal Kombat mobile the other day. [01:07:12] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:07:13] Speaker A: Which I'll never play because mobile games are suck. Our suck are suck. [01:07:18] Speaker C: They do. [01:07:19] Speaker B: So you don't like game on your phone, Chad? [01:07:22] Speaker A: No, only real games. Yeah, they show this. They have this weird moment where, like, they show Jessica body, like, she's dead, sir. And then they're, like, putting her into some kind of cryogenic thing, but they never comes back. [01:07:35] Speaker B: Yeah, and then. And then clowns, like, over here. Let's do our secret meeting out in public in front of all of these people. [01:07:42] Speaker A: Right in front of this fire truck. [01:07:46] Speaker B: Meeting again. [01:07:47] Speaker C: Yeah, it's hilarious because he never acts like he's a weird looking character in the world. He just, like, shows places. Like, it's a normal thing for a thing like that to be. It's just like, no. And no one bats an eye. No one's ever like, wait a minute. Like, they might just be like, uh, gross, but they're never like, what the fuck is that? Like, what's up? [01:08:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, I would actually really appreciate it if, like, people in the background, like, as they were walking by, like, stopped for a second, like, what? [01:08:18] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:08:20] Speaker A: You just don't want to be rude, you know? [01:08:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:08:23] Speaker A: You don't hurt anyone's feelings. [01:08:24] Speaker B: Yeah, man. Martin Sheen looks so tired as he's listening to clown. Like, I wonder if they had to then take him to nap time after they shot this scene. [01:08:36] Speaker A: He did it because he thought his grandkids would like it. Yeah. Like, to spawn. Then you get the touching scene with Cyan. Where spawn's just roaming around. I don't know, wherever Wanda's. Wanda's giving a speech or something. [01:08:46] Speaker C: And, like, cyan just, like, freely roaming somewhere in the building. Yeah. [01:08:52] Speaker B: Yeah. And then there's the empty. The empty gym that just has the. [01:08:57] Speaker C: Still has creepy clown doll, by the way. She still gets in this scene. Still carrying it around like it's her favorite thing. Now. What? [01:09:06] Speaker B: Then we got. Clown is. Clown is cheerleader. [01:09:10] Speaker C: Yeah. Oh, God. [01:09:13] Speaker A: With hhs on his shirt, which. I went high school. [01:09:16] Speaker B: I went to Hildale High School, and our initials were HhS. [01:09:20] Speaker C: Nice. [01:09:20] Speaker B: Our colors were red and black too. [01:09:22] Speaker C: So same was ours. Paul's Valley Panthers, red and black. [01:09:28] Speaker B: Oh, man. [01:09:28] Speaker A: I was orange and black. We're the Booker C. Washington Hornets. [01:09:31] Speaker C: Nice. [01:09:32] Speaker B: Fucker tea. [01:09:33] Speaker A: And then Malbolgia. He's, like, dancing around, doing his spawny, spawny weezer man. And then Malbolzia sucks him down to hell to yell at him. [01:09:39] Speaker C: Yeah. He's like, what the fuck? Are you being too much of a clown? [01:09:42] Speaker B: And he's being. He's being a little bit impetuous or petulant. He's like, the clown's being petulant. And then Mount Bolger picks him up, and he's like, oh, no, we'll do it your way. Yep. Yeah, we'll do it your way. He says, yeah, yeah. [01:09:56] Speaker A: He picks him up, like, little bitty. Little bitty. [01:09:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:00] Speaker A: And then for this. And then they find Cyan, and she's like, oh, yeah, I was hanging out my friend Spawn. [01:10:04] Speaker B: And they're like. [01:10:05] Speaker C: Then they're just like, yeah, cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Almost like, don't talk to strangers. Or, oh, it's like an imaginary friend, maybe. [01:10:12] Speaker B: Like, yeah, you. You know him. [01:10:16] Speaker C: Yeah, you know Spawn. [01:10:17] Speaker B: Could you imagine if your child came up to you and said, I was just hanging out with somebody who said that they know you? [01:10:23] Speaker C: Yeah. What was their name? Spawn. No, I don't know anyone by that. [01:10:30] Speaker B: Terry shows up and whisks them away and. [01:10:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:10:33] Speaker B: And does. If I did just as much as Terry does to try to find my dog who should be with us. [01:10:47] Speaker C: What does he, I don't know. And the fact that the daughter doesn't just lose her shit about her dog being left, she's just sort of like, okay, what? Find that dog. [01:11:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:04] Speaker A: Yeah. Come on, spaz. [01:11:05] Speaker C: Man, I gotta get home with this secret chip. [01:11:09] Speaker A: Also, if you're not using spaz in the derogatory way that got Adele in trouble. [01:11:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:14] Speaker A: It's just the name of the dog. [01:11:15] Speaker B: It's the name of the dog. It's, yeah, that's true. We probably should have put that up front. [01:11:24] Speaker A: Whatever. It's only the british considered real bad. [01:11:27] Speaker B: Eh. It's, it's crossed over. It's because what it's based off of, it's not, not a nice, it's making fun of somebody for a point or people with conditions. [01:11:41] Speaker A: Yeah, don't use it. [01:11:43] Speaker B: I guess it's just like, it's just like the other word. That John leg was almost at one point in the movie that was rampant. [01:11:50] Speaker C: In the nineties area of the time. [01:11:54] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:11:55] Speaker B: And then we, we cut back to the alley, and I thought this kid was gonna be, I thought this kid was gonna be Eddie. Because his dad starts beating him up. [01:12:05] Speaker A: Yes. Eddie's a character who, in the comics, his parents are beating him up, and Spawn kills the dad. [01:12:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:14] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:12:16] Speaker A: And then the kids are, like, left to their own devices. And it does come back to hot spawn a little bit. [01:12:22] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:12:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Because he becomes Redeemer, and he kind of becomes spawn. Spawn always feels responsible for him. And then. [01:12:29] Speaker B: Reaper. He's Reaper. [01:12:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:12:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:12:32] Speaker B: Or I guess he's Redeemer first. Yeah, that's true. But, yeah, he's eating this, he's eating this sandwich that isn't even moldy. It's just, like, covered in acrylic paint. [01:12:41] Speaker A: Yes. It's green colored food coloring on it. And he can't, he can't eat the sandwich. He spits it up. And so Spawn beats the shit out of his dad. [01:12:48] Speaker C: And he's like, dad's, like, moving to hit him for sure. Yeah. And then he swans. Just gonna kill him straight up. [01:12:54] Speaker B: And then we got the, we got the coolest operating scene in the world. Man, I wish they had technology for operations now. [01:13:03] Speaker A: I know. He, like, sticks into this, like, big bonk droid looking thing. [01:13:07] Speaker B: It's literally, like, open. It's it's basically open heart surgery that they're doing on him. And he's, he's not anesthetized and after the fact, they're like, oh, hey, maybe have a little bit of nitrous to take the edge off for like 3 seconds. [01:13:21] Speaker C: He's just that tough. Yeah, it's hilarious that he's definitely never asleep for that. [01:13:27] Speaker A: He, like, winces and stuff, too. He's like. [01:13:30] Speaker C: He was like, what? [01:13:32] Speaker B: For some reason, they give him. I guess he's either William's arm at the, at the thing because he's got that clear cast thing. [01:13:39] Speaker C: Yeah, that's the thing. I also. He wears it. The rest of that he does, like the, he, like, uses it to rest his gun on later. He's. Yeah. [01:13:48] Speaker A: Either he probably really broke his arm and had to wear it, or there was a deleted scene that explained it, is what I would guess. [01:13:55] Speaker C: Yeah, I see. I didn't even think about it, honestly. Like, I was like, oh, he's wearing some kind of cool future armor now that he's in, like, action. [01:14:04] Speaker B: Speaking of the fifth element, I thought was just some of that shit. [01:14:07] Speaker C: Yeah, the, like, zorg's head thing that he just has. It's just the half head plastic. It protects the part that isn't his hair. [01:14:21] Speaker A: Same year, the big scene with which what is. [01:14:28] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, of course, the big scene. [01:14:31] Speaker A: Very formative. [01:14:32] Speaker B: Wherever kid whose name I already forgot meets Zack. Zack. Geez. You know, he forms that relationship with the members of the, of Red Alley. [01:14:44] Speaker C: This is the scene, too, where. This is when Cagliostro takes spawn and, like, shows him how to use his stuff. Yeah. First we have a violator fight first. Yeah. [01:14:54] Speaker A: Yeah, he's got to lose that. [01:14:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:14:57] Speaker A: The violators getting pissed off. [01:14:59] Speaker B: Yeah. The violators watching the surgery of Jason Nguyen, eating his snack of earthworms and mayo. [01:15:05] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:15:06] Speaker A: Oh, God, that's so gross. [01:15:07] Speaker C: I'm like, did he really? I'm just like, I hope not. [01:15:11] Speaker B: No, I think it turns into a gummy worm, right? [01:15:14] Speaker C: Yeah, it looks a little different right. When he drops it in, but especially. [01:15:19] Speaker B: Because that's around the time that they, they're like, oh, yeah, you can replenish your necropower by eating earthworms and bugs and stuff. So I, you know, attracts a spawn. [01:15:30] Speaker A: It's got, there's little things from the comics that are in here just like, kind of like, there's like, the relationship with Cyan and Spawn is something in the comics. There is a relationship, like, later on, there is a relationship with Jason Wynn and Clown. It doesn't start off that way. They start off as enemies, but they're taking stuff from the contemporary or maybe they're taking stuff from the movie and putting them into the contemporary comic because they're all being made at the same time by the same people. Yeah, Spaz pisses on the clown. Yeah, he gets pissed off. He's gonna kill Spaz, and spawn shoots him. That really pisses off the clown. [01:16:03] Speaker C: I'm gonna get serious. [01:16:04] Speaker B: And he fleabi x out. He gets, he gets that. That nice, that nice little, that nice little quip that's lifted almost verbatim from the violator miniseries. [01:16:15] Speaker A: I'm not the vaporizer or the Vindicator or the vibrator. I am the violator. That one. [01:16:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [01:16:24] Speaker C: So cool transformation, too. [01:16:26] Speaker A: Or the Vega matic. Yeah, the violator looks good. You can tell it's a puppet some of the times. [01:16:32] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [01:16:35] Speaker A: And you can the CG on. It's pretty good because I guess Steve Williams. Steve Spaz Williams did the T Rex. [01:16:43] Speaker C: It just feels like you can. It looks like there was more time. [01:16:47] Speaker B: My favorite part of the violator CGI is when they take a shot of the puppet and then they CGI. Long jaw later on. [01:16:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:00] Speaker B: I love a long jaw. [01:17:02] Speaker A: Then we get the Todd McFarlane cameo in this part when he falls down off the roof with the violator, which is a pretty cool shot. You get him stalking the alleys, and he runs into Todd McFarlane. Yeah, looks very serious. [01:17:17] Speaker C: It's hilarious. This scene a little bit, too, because the violator is so huge, and he's, like, looking around, like, where could he be hiding? Giant thing. [01:17:27] Speaker A: He's slinky, though. This is another one of the playsets, the spawn alley fight. You gotta. [01:17:32] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:17:32] Speaker A: And in some editions, it came with a Todd the bum action figure. [01:17:35] Speaker B: Action figure. Yeah. There's so many rats in Red Alleyde. [01:17:40] Speaker A: A lot of rats. [01:17:41] Speaker B: A lot of rats. [01:17:42] Speaker A: It's living up to its name. [01:17:44] Speaker C: Gotta stuff your rat hole. [01:17:45] Speaker B: The set work in this movie is fantastic. Like, for the built sets. [01:17:52] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. This looks when this scene at the very beginning, I thought when he is getting down into rattle a for the first time, and he goes down the big viral staircase from, like, the roof of a building, and then you see the. The alley, and there's, like, a walkway across it. I was like, this looks like a something straight from, like, a video game of that time, like a Legend of Dragoon. You're like, you're just like, it's like, this is the city that you're gonna. And there's, like, doors for you to go in. I was like, this is very, like, of this time, video gamey looking, like set. [01:18:26] Speaker B: It's almost like an outdoor version of the Foot clans cool ass hangout for teens. In the original teenage Turtle movie, where Sam Rockwell offers new recruits. Regulars or menthols. That's Sam Rockwell. Yeah. [01:18:43] Speaker A: Hey, another new line cinema movie. One of the early successes was Ninja Turtles. It cost, like, a couple million. It was one of the most profitable, I think it was the most profitable independent film until Blair witch project. [01:18:55] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm excited for that. Rated R one. [01:18:58] Speaker A: Oh, the last Ronin. [01:18:59] Speaker B: Have you read the last Ronin? [01:19:01] Speaker C: No, I have not. [01:19:02] Speaker B: The last Ronin is a great story. You don't. As long as you know who the brothers are. [01:19:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:19:09] Speaker B: That's all you need to know. You don't need to worry about the intervening 40 years of comic continuity. Just. It's a perfect. It's a great story. You should read it. [01:19:21] Speaker C: Nice. [01:19:22] Speaker B: Get it from the library. Get it on Hoopla. [01:19:25] Speaker A: Get it on Hoopla. Get it on your library. So this is where Kagliostro, basically, after he gets his ass kicked, cog comes off. [01:19:31] Speaker C: He spikes him on the wall. Like, he, like, throws him back and just, like, spikes him on that. That's a wicked fence. Yeah, and just, like, painful. There's a cool set piece, too, because, you know, they. It was just, like, built, like, nicely to where his body could just fit there. And he's just probably holding himself up, which is his arms there. I'm like, that's pretty dope. Like, just from, like, the shooting perspective of it. And then he does the whole, like, violator one, bonnie zero, spawny boy zero. Yeah. Then cuglio stro just, like, creeps out of a side alley. Like he was watching the whole thing. He's like, oh, yeah. [01:20:10] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I can help. He shows him his sword. [01:20:12] Speaker C: Yeah, he's like, here, by the way, did. You were asleep the first time. [01:20:16] Speaker A: I have a sword. [01:20:19] Speaker C: Because he, like, puts it. He pulls him off the wall, and then he. [01:20:22] Speaker A: He puts it. [01:20:23] Speaker C: He puts it to his neck. Yeah. And he's like, can't take any chances. Like, what? But he doesn't. And then he, like, removes it immediately. Yeah. [01:20:32] Speaker A: And he's just talking to him about, like, you know, even though you're destined to be Hell's lieutenant, it all depends on the choices we make, and you can still make a choice. And so that's when he takes him up to the roof to train him. [01:20:46] Speaker B: I got. I got to say, the. The suit, the. The burn makeup face mask, much more convincing when it's covered in wet. [01:20:57] Speaker A: Yes. When it's raining. [01:20:58] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. When it's raining, I agree. Because it looks like. Like it's like it's gooey. Like. Like you press it and some fuss is gonna come out or something. [01:21:07] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:21:09] Speaker B: Real juicy. Real juicy stuff. [01:21:10] Speaker C: Real juicy. [01:21:12] Speaker A: And he's explained to him he's only been using the suits on reflexes, but if he concentrates, he can use it for real. [01:21:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:21:19] Speaker A: And you have the training scene where he's throwing the bottle and the chain goes up. Little chains are cool grabbies. [01:21:26] Speaker B: And the kind of coglioster I want. He wouldn't be willing to part with a liquor bottle, Johnny. [01:21:32] Speaker A: Oh, no. He would save it. He would just drink it. [01:21:35] Speaker C: Or he would at least drink it first to empty and then be like, all right. And then just toss it up. [01:21:41] Speaker B: And then. [01:21:41] Speaker A: Yep. [01:21:42] Speaker B: And then we get that thing of spawn just walking down the street with all of these guns. And then he goes and he steals a motorcycle. [01:21:52] Speaker A: Gotta have a motorcycle. [01:21:53] Speaker B: Gotta have a motorcycle. [01:21:54] Speaker C: Leading to one of the coolest action scenes, for sure. [01:21:57] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, the truck stuff's fun. [01:21:59] Speaker B: The guys he steals it from just come running out, and they're wearing, like, racing. Motorcycle racing outfits. [01:22:08] Speaker A: And then this is another dark knight scene where you got the clown shooting a rocket launcher. Or I guess he has a grenade launcher launcher. [01:22:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:22:15] Speaker A: But it just. It just reminds me of the dark knight. [01:22:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:22:18] Speaker B: I like how he's got fucking hats with his little visions on him. [01:22:23] Speaker A: He has a hat with his face. Oh, the. Oh, yeah, the trucker hat or hat he's got on. Yeah. He's always a cut up with the costumes. [01:22:31] Speaker C: It's hilarious in this scene, too, because clowns both driving the truck and on the roof, shooting the back of the truck shooting and also driving it. [01:22:41] Speaker A: He just does whatever he wants. [01:22:43] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [01:22:44] Speaker A: So shoot out of the grenade launcher, and that's respond. Like, uses his powers to create, like, a shell. [01:22:50] Speaker C: Yeah. Remember, what is it? There was, like, a 64 game. There was, like, a motorcycle racing game that looked like that. Like, it was, like, it was, like, enclosed looking like motorcycles like that. And you'd, like, race them. I forget what it was called. Extreme g. It's called extreme g. Yep, that's it. They kind of look like that. I remember. And I remember, I think, like, with the goo part was funny because I'm like, he's also from the necro. Like, would, like, you know, I feel, like, not hurt him. Necro goo. So I'm just like, that's a pretty elaborate, like, to bring. Just, like, in case he comes at you with a motorcycle. Strip of his motorcycle. If he comes at me, maybe I'll drop a shitload of goo at him. [01:23:41] Speaker A: Maybe it works like a dip does on Roger Rabbit creatures. Melts the CG away. [01:23:48] Speaker C: Yeah, I love when he gets out of that. You can tell he just, like, whoever the stunt guy or whoever did that scene of laying the bike down in the goo, just like actually did it in the. You know, because when of course, like in the scene, he's got the. The CGI like shell of the cape around. But then when that comes off and the guy's like, standing up, he has the green goo, like from his knee down the whole shin, like, from where he would have laid the bike down on, you know, I was like, oh, that's pretty wild. They actually just did the lay down in green goo. And they're just like, yeah, don't worry about it. [01:24:26] Speaker B: And then we, then we get to the Terry. Terry doing. Doing what Terry does best is being the man. [01:24:32] Speaker A: Wait, my favorite part again. The cloud explodes. Flies the air. Yeah, it's just funny because it just looks like he's just like, flying up it. Like, it's just so weird. It's just hilarious. [01:24:45] Speaker C: Like, team rocket blast off again. [01:24:50] Speaker A: And Terry figures out the whole heat 16 situation. [01:24:53] Speaker C: I love he puts the disc, the just small disc in a regular size, you know, case. [01:25:00] Speaker A: They don't make small cases. [01:25:02] Speaker B: I mean, sometimes they would make small cases, but it was very annoying. [01:25:06] Speaker C: And then he's just like, yes, upload it. And then what? He fucking what's his name walks in. Martin Sheen walks in. Exactly. Yeah, Jason Wynn walks in exactly at that moment, right as it's like, loading. [01:25:19] Speaker B: Look at this fucking nineties comic book gun he has. [01:25:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:25:24] Speaker B: I love it so much. [01:25:26] Speaker C: I love this thing because he just balances it on that hand too. He's just like, all right. Like, he's just using the plastic arm hand. [01:25:34] Speaker A: That's so funny. I didn't even notice that. [01:25:37] Speaker B: What, the gun or the arm? [01:25:38] Speaker A: The gun. The arm thing. Oh, yeah, no, I noticed the nineties gun. [01:25:43] Speaker B: Okay, good. It's kind of hard. It's kind of hard to miss it. Can you imagine if you had a cast that was actually clear how disgusting it would be? [01:25:52] Speaker C: Oh, inside. Oh, yeah. Like, you don't want. [01:25:55] Speaker B: You don't see that shit. [01:25:57] Speaker C: Yeah. Cuz you just. At the very least, you'd be getting like, sweaty hair stuck looking to the inside of it. You know, just be like, oh, gross. [01:26:05] Speaker A: Well, then they all end up at Wanda's house because that's where the climax is gonna take place. [01:26:10] Speaker C: Yeah, because that's where the climax. Because he somehow knew that Terry had stolen the disc, I guess. Or he had just come there because he found out that Wanda was someone important. Al Simmons. I never really understood exactly why he just shows. Win shows up there at that house at the end, like, a little unclear. [01:26:31] Speaker A: It's just, like, they just took one point where they're, like, we're seeing Wanda's, and, like, everyone's, like, just goes to Wanda's. [01:26:36] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that's why they put that bit of clown in there. I'll see it. Wanda's as he's flying away. So everybody know. Oh, yeah, that's where we're okay. [01:26:46] Speaker A: That's where we're going. Everybody's going to get the most exciting place for a climax, a small living room. [01:26:51] Speaker C: Living. [01:26:53] Speaker A: It's so weird. This movie basically ends at a small living room. It's just yeah, it's funny. [01:26:57] Speaker C: Yeah, because it's not even, like, a big room. It's just like a regular, tiny living room. [01:27:02] Speaker A: And so spawn gets there and partially. [01:27:05] Speaker C: You know, indistinct hellscape. [01:27:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:27:09] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, you get to that's the thing is, that doesn't even register as visuals. So I just remember the living room, because when I go to hell, it just is nonsense. [01:27:16] Speaker B: Yes. [01:27:17] Speaker C: Yeah. There's, like, a rock here and there. Like, there's some background flames. He does the thing. So when he's in the fight, when he sucks him to hell, when him and Kagliosho get sucked to hell there, it's like he, Kagliosho gets incapacitated virtually immediately, or at least, like, thrown out of the fight to a different, like, level ground somewhere, presumably. And then he has this fight, and then he does a deal where all the green energy blasts out from him and starts, like, eliminating some hellspawn. So my question is, in that moment, is that just, like, a thing, that power that he's gaining in hell to do that? Or is he actually stealing necro charge from them to, like, power his suit more and give him more charges on that? [01:28:04] Speaker A: I thought he was zapping them all. [01:28:06] Speaker C: Zapping them all. [01:28:08] Speaker A: Yeah, he could be zapping or sucking. [01:28:09] Speaker C: Okay. That was my sure. Which my wonder. I was like, is he, like, stealing their energy to get a bit of a recharge here? Now he has the chance, or, you. [01:28:20] Speaker A: Know, the movie doesn't care to tell us. [01:28:21] Speaker B: Yeah, it was just fucking Coleostra shows up. When did who. Who gave him the invitation? [01:28:27] Speaker C: Yeah, who gave him the Wanda invitee. [01:28:30] Speaker A: He just shows up to be like, here we go, friend. Like, that's like, all he says in the scene is like, oh, here we go. [01:28:35] Speaker C: All right. [01:28:35] Speaker B: Puts up his little. He puts up his little chain mail. [01:28:38] Speaker C: Yeah, he makes like he's gonna really help him. And then they go to hell. And his sword gets, like, broken off and thrown into nothingness almost immediately. [01:28:46] Speaker B: He spends the whole time just kind of, like, floating around. Yeah. Watching as violator and spawn duke it out. [01:28:53] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:28:54] Speaker A: And they get the fake out with Wanda where they. They, like, have Wanda appear on this crazy torture device thing. Stabber. But it's just clown. [01:29:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:29:05] Speaker C: Also a great performance by her being clown there for a minute, right? [01:29:10] Speaker B: Yes. [01:29:11] Speaker A: He's gonna kill Jason Wynn. He said he don't give a fuck about unleashing the world. His hands are this giant, spiky thing. He's about to kill him, but then he sees Cyan. He's like, I can't do it. [01:29:21] Speaker C: When is like, if you kill me, you'll kill her. And then he's like, yeah, but. [01:29:26] Speaker B: But if he. If he removes the remote, and then the remote doesn't have the heartbeat anymore, doesn't that right? Switch? [01:29:33] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. So that's what I wanted to know. I was like, is that in that scene where he, like, looks at him and then, like, the green energy sucks it out, gives him, like, supervision, and it appears to suck it out and destroy it. But then it's like, they don't act like that happened. Like, they don't. It's like, they don't act like that threat has been neutralized. Because at then, that point, you could just kill him and it wouldn't matter. And. But then they mentioned later specifically that, like, he's been taken into custody and, like, the thing has been destroyed and all of that, whatever. So I'm like, wait, was he just looking at it inside him and being like, oh, shit, that thing? [01:30:12] Speaker A: No, he destroys it. [01:30:14] Speaker C: Yeah, that's all it seemed. That's what I thought. But then, like, they don't, like, act like that was a thing the rest of the. The movie there. [01:30:24] Speaker A: Yeah, it's pretty funny that he can just destroy it. Like, that's just a funny way to do it. Then that goes away, and then it's time for the hell fight. And they go to hell. [01:30:35] Speaker B: Yeah, that one hell spawn is down there going, haha. Yeah, like he's at football practice or some shit. He's my favorite every single time. [01:30:49] Speaker C: I still love the idea that. I hope that's just all Michael J. White doing weird shit one day, like, at a shooting, you know, like, on a sound stage. They're just like, all right, we're just gonna do some shit. [01:31:00] Speaker A: Cog gets his great entrance where he goes, the clown's, like, licking Wanda with his CG tongue. And he just, like, hits him in the arm. Goes, mind if I cut him? [01:31:08] Speaker C: It's very, very masked. CG tongue lick. [01:31:13] Speaker A: Yes, with smokin. [01:31:15] Speaker B: With all the. With all the previous smoking. With all the previous CGI nonsense that the clown. Clown is doing. He's, like, making his eyes go out, and he's ballooning. [01:31:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:31:27] Speaker A: He turns into it for my asthma. Oh, my God. So, yeah, the hellfight's nonsense. I have no idea what's going on. It's just, like, cuts of, like, things. [01:31:40] Speaker C: People getting thrown around. And, like, that's the thing. It's so chaotic that, like, I can't even tell half the time which direction they're being thrown in. I'm like, is there up a down right? [01:31:51] Speaker B: I don't know. [01:31:52] Speaker A: It looks like Coglios dies, but then he doesn't. [01:31:55] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:31:55] Speaker C: It looks like he gets thrown off in the fire or something. [01:31:58] Speaker B: Yeah, like, I like that. Spawn's basically just sitting there looking around, going, yeah, yeah. [01:32:05] Speaker C: He's just like, wait a minute. [01:32:07] Speaker A: All this blue screen. [01:32:10] Speaker B: They escape. They escape through the fiery portal back into the living room. [01:32:13] Speaker C: Yeah, he, like, figures out how to fly out of hell, I guess, instinctively. And on, like, a jet stream of necroplasm, and just grabs Cagliostro and jets up out of there as mole. Bolgio, like, misses the grab. He's like, oh, no. [01:32:31] Speaker A: It also looks like they just decided to add this zapping in. In post production. Because he's not, like, holding his hands out and zapping. He's just standing there looking around. [01:32:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:32:39] Speaker A: And it's shooting out of him. [01:32:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:32:42] Speaker A: It's like, did you mean to do this or just add this in? Because it's like. It's like a note. Like, what happened to the army? Did he just. Why did you destroy the army? They're like, oh, yeah, he'll destroy the army real quick. Throw that in there. [01:32:53] Speaker C: And then he only destroys, like, a little bit of them. Like, he doesn't. That's why I was saying, like, is he just sucking power to, like, power this necro blast out of hell? Because, like, he doesn't. If he's trying to kill the army, he only kills about, like, you know, like, maybe 50 guys or something. You know, like, it doesn't even look like he gets that many. And then they all start charging around from the sides at them right before they blast up out, which he's fine about, by the way. He's found Cagliostro wherever he was thrown to, which looks like it's just below. Like, he's just, like, hops down. He's like, oh, here, let's get the family. [01:33:28] Speaker A: And all is right. [01:33:28] Speaker B: I. Yeah, until it's not the clown. [01:33:32] Speaker A: The kid randomly also got the note to go to Wanda's. [01:33:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:33:35] Speaker A: Kid shows up with spaz. [01:33:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:33:39] Speaker A: But then it's not over. The violator morphs through the wall. [01:33:42] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a. That's a cool. That's a cool. Him coming out of the wall is pretty great. [01:33:48] Speaker C: Yeah, that's a cool. A cool bit. [01:33:51] Speaker A: Another spawn playset that they made for the movie was the violator coming out of the wall. [01:33:56] Speaker B: Yeah. And then I like how. How when the violator tries to bite down on Spawn's head, he gets the fucking. The ringwraith head. He looks exactly like a ringwraith. [01:34:07] Speaker A: Just, like, chainsaw through. [01:34:10] Speaker C: The guy saw his neck. It was super cool. Yeah, that's, like, a real cool ending. Like, come on. I'm like, you couldn't have done this confrontation on, like, the roof of the church or something. It would have been so much. Yeah, it's just in a living room. Like, it. It really is, like, makes it less dramatic. [01:34:28] Speaker A: Well, like, the action figure playset comes with, like, a fire poker and, like, some books, like, a potted plant. I'm not kidding. It just comes with, like, it just comes with, like, random things you find in a living room. [01:34:38] Speaker C: That's hilarious. [01:34:39] Speaker B: I think the. The CGI of the violator body kind of melting away is actually pretty dope. [01:34:45] Speaker A: Yeah. And the face. [01:34:46] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, it looks cool once he. When he kills him. Yeah. [01:34:50] Speaker A: What's the CGI? [01:34:51] Speaker C: What's the ramifications of death in the world for the clown in that circumstance? Like, is he. Is it, like, now you are banished for x amount of years? Or, like, what's the deal on that? [01:35:02] Speaker A: I'm imagining he just has to regenerate. [01:35:04] Speaker B: And he would be back for the. [01:35:05] Speaker A: Sequel if they had ever made one. [01:35:07] Speaker B: Yeah, probably. [01:35:09] Speaker A: And speaking of sequel tease, as they're walking out jason win, who's walking him out, but Sam and twins, which. Yeah, we get our cops from the comics in there. [01:35:18] Speaker B: Yeah, look at them. [01:35:19] Speaker A: There they are. The guy really looks like twitch. [01:35:21] Speaker B: Yeah, he does. He's got, like, the little Hitler mustache and everything. [01:35:24] Speaker A: And the chin and everything. Yeah. [01:35:27] Speaker B: Oh, I guess. I guess they didn't give him the Hitler. They gave him the full mustache. [01:35:30] Speaker A: Yeah, but he's got like, the little flat chin. He looks a lot like him. [01:35:34] Speaker B: Sam's. Sam's looking real nice, too. [01:35:36] Speaker A: So all is well. The family's back, Al's still alone. [01:35:40] Speaker C: The day is saved. [01:35:43] Speaker A: A choice has been made, as he says, for now. And then we get spawned. The rats are crawling to him, and he's sitting on the church just brooding with the awesome cape that is the. [01:35:57] Speaker B: Is Cyan. Does Cyan have the locket that Al Simmons pulled? [01:36:00] Speaker C: Yes. She gets the locket. Yes. [01:36:02] Speaker B: So it's. Here's. [01:36:04] Speaker A: Your mom's ex husband have a locket of it? [01:36:08] Speaker C: Yeah. Your dad that you never knew. I'm presumably that's like the scenario, right? Is she supposed to be his kid? [01:36:15] Speaker A: No. [01:36:16] Speaker B: No. Oh, Al Simmons is sterile. [01:36:19] Speaker C: Oh, Al Simmons. [01:36:20] Speaker A: He's firing blanks. [01:36:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:36:22] Speaker C: Oh, shit. [01:36:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Cuz that's. That's part of the. The gut punch of when he comes back five years later, not only is his best friend married to his ex wife, but he learns that he was the reason they couldn't have a child. [01:36:34] Speaker C: Damn, not her. [01:36:36] Speaker B: Yeah. And I like how we go back to Red Alley and then, like, all of the unhomed men, just like at once go and look up. [01:36:47] Speaker A: And then, like every superhero movie, it's got to end with just a shot of the hero doing something. [01:36:52] Speaker B: Hero shot, I think they call it. [01:36:54] Speaker A: And for a promise of more. There's a lot of promise. There's definitely a lot of sequel set up in this. [01:36:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:36:59] Speaker C: In this case, like, me and Caleb always call it Batman. And like, in anything, when somebody's, like, perched on the edge of something crazy high and whatever, it's like a mountain or whatever it is, was like someone just, like in a pose for a shot is like somebody's Batman in here. [01:37:14] Speaker B: Like human Batman or Spider Manning is usually what I refer to it as. And then we get the most nineties credits of a horror film with some Marilyn Manson. [01:37:24] Speaker A: Nothing wrong with that, right? [01:37:26] Speaker B: Who could have ever imagined that Marilyn Manson would turn out to be a creep? Jon? [01:37:30] Speaker A: Not me. I still. Oh, man. I was like. I was so badly on the last play I did, I wanted to use one of Marilyn Manson's songs, but I was like, I can't. [01:37:39] Speaker C: Can't do it. [01:37:40] Speaker A: Yeah, can't do it. [01:37:42] Speaker B: These credits are so hard to read. [01:37:44] Speaker A: What's funny is I listened to a lot of ghosts. So apple music recommends me and plays me Marilyn Manson all the fucking time. They don't give a shit. [01:37:52] Speaker B: I listen to a lot of ghosts, and Spotify has never recommended that I listen to Marilyn Manson. [01:37:57] Speaker A: Well, maybe I should switch to Spotify. [01:38:01] Speaker B: For the. [01:38:02] Speaker A: Joe Rogan for the. [01:38:04] Speaker C: For the cast. For the pod, for the. [01:38:07] Speaker B: For the Lonnie Bones. Johnny. For the Lonnie Bones. [01:38:09] Speaker A: For the Lonnie Bones. So, yeah, that's. There's pretty much running you through one. [01:38:15] Speaker B: Of the digital effects artists. His nickname is Baron von Splooge. [01:38:20] Speaker C: Baron von Splooge. [01:38:23] Speaker A: Nice name. [01:38:24] Speaker C: Nice. [01:38:27] Speaker B: Oh, boy. [01:38:28] Speaker C: I saw something the other day that said the. That Baron Yvonne made me think of German, and apparently a lickitung. The Pokemon in German is just called Slurp. [01:38:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I've seen that, too, because they have, like, a little clip from the show, and he's just goes, slurp, slurp, slurp, slurp. [01:38:50] Speaker C: With a giant tongue. Yeah. That's amazing. [01:38:54] Speaker A: There was a lot of merch for this movie. As you can see, I have the spawn souvenir magazine here that was made of. Of the time that just goes all in depth on the making of. There was action figures. I think there was a comic adaptation, and there were trading cards. [01:39:11] Speaker B: There were. [01:39:12] Speaker C: Oh, shit. I gotta get mine. [01:39:13] Speaker B: Freemium trading cards. [01:39:16] Speaker A: Yes. So we've each got a pack of trading cards that I got all the way in Denver at Spawn Con. I bought them from spawn hunters booth. [01:39:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:39:27] Speaker A: I had a box of trading cards, so we're gonna open up some of those. [01:39:30] Speaker B: I do appreciate that they go to the lengths of having all of the credits be in this stylized form instead of just, like, the top credits, and then it goes to regular credits. [01:39:40] Speaker A: Yeah, they do the whole thing, but. [01:39:43] Speaker B: They'Re, like, pulsing, and they're sideways, and they're like, half of them are fuzzed out. [01:39:47] Speaker C: It's wild mine on the back. Spawn official collector's albumen. This official, high quality collectors album provides you the perfect way to click, display, and preserve your spawn collection. [01:39:59] Speaker A: Whoa. Shoulda were that $15? Jesus. [01:40:05] Speaker C: Like, $30 plus $3 shipping and handling. [01:40:10] Speaker A: I'm gonna see if I can find a picture of this bad boy. Spawn official collector's album. [01:40:16] Speaker B: I'm sure it just looks like a trapper. It's basically just like a trapper keeper with Spawn on it. [01:40:21] Speaker A: Hmm. I can't find it because it just shows stuff with the album. It shows spawn the album, which was a big part of the movie. I think it actually went gold. It was, like, bigger hit than the movie. Evidently, it went. It was pretty big. But, no, I can't find a picture of this. [01:40:39] Speaker B: James Cameron is thanked in this. Timothy Leary is thanked in this. Wait. [01:40:43] Speaker C: Whoa. [01:40:44] Speaker B: At the end. [01:40:45] Speaker C: At the end. [01:40:46] Speaker B: They say that. [01:40:47] Speaker C: Up, up. [01:40:49] Speaker B: The filmmakers thank the following for their contribution to the making of Spawn. It's Michael DeLuca, Bill Black, Don Brokow, James Cameron, Ellie Chan, Chris Coppola, Peter Grossman, Timothy Leary, George Lucas, Jim Morris, Peter Nichols, Matthew Robbins, and Bob Shea. I don't know what George. Timothy Leary and James Cameron have to do with each other, man. [01:41:13] Speaker A: I mean, James Cameron was probably interested because of the CG there. He was working on Titanic. [01:41:17] Speaker B: Oh, I guess George Lucas because of the Ilm. [01:41:20] Speaker C: Lucas. [01:41:21] Speaker B: Timothy Leary for the script. [01:41:25] Speaker A: Yeah, they're on acid when they wrote it. [01:41:30] Speaker C: So we got a. We got to keep these cars over. We get. If we get the devil's own, it's approximately. The chances are one in 108 packs for that one, so. Oh, Spawn revealed cards. One in 24 packs. Spawn comics to film cards. Approximately one in eleven packs. Oh, you could pull some rares here. I wonder what that devil's own would be worth if you pulled it. [01:41:57] Speaker A: Probably not very much. I don't think the Swan movie merchandise is that sought after, really? No, sadly. Let's pop them open and see what we got. [01:42:06] Speaker C: Yeah. Got an opening card. Sound. Action. [01:42:11] Speaker B: Yeah. Get your ASMR going. [01:42:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:42:17] Speaker A: Rip that pack open. Smell it. [01:42:20] Speaker B: There we go. [01:42:21] Speaker A: So they got, like, the nineties. [01:42:23] Speaker C: They've got stills from the movie on, like, one side, looks like. [01:42:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:42:27] Speaker C: And then stuff on the back. Yeah. [01:42:29] Speaker B: I used to have some of these for Star wars. One of the ones that I had was the. The monster in the garbage trash compact. [01:42:39] Speaker A: Oh, I got. I got spawn on the. Spawn on the fence. Crucified. [01:42:43] Speaker B: Nice. [01:42:45] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't know. Does it tell you the name of the cards anywhere to know if we would have gotten any of those? [01:42:50] Speaker B: So for, like, this first one I have, it's Al Simmons on fire. And the back of it, it says a taste of hell. Jessica Priest on the back of it, kill. Crazy priest sprays a clear, flammable gelatin all over Simmons face and body. It was most definitely green. Not clear. Thank you very much. [01:43:08] Speaker C: Yeah, it was definitely green. Come on. [01:43:11] Speaker A: Yes. [01:43:12] Speaker B: Enjoy your retirement, quips. When lighting a cigarette, he takes a deep drag that flicks the burning object into the air, straining to swat it away, Simmons manages to hit the cigarette with his gel covered hand. In a few agonizing seconds, the flammable substance ignites, sending flames racing up Simmons. His arm. [01:43:31] Speaker C: Wow. [01:43:32] Speaker B: That's an amazing amount of, uh. That's like straight outta script directions. [01:43:40] Speaker A: Yeah, I got a behind the scenes card that shows behind the scenes of, uh, swan flying around with his chains. [01:43:47] Speaker C: Nice. [01:43:49] Speaker A: Yeah, that's your first after. [01:43:52] Speaker C: Let's see. [01:43:55] Speaker B: Oh, I got one of Terry Fitzgerald's talking to the CNN lady. [01:43:59] Speaker A: Wow, what a thrilling card. [01:44:02] Speaker C: I've got one that's just, I think this. [01:44:04] Speaker B: I think there's actually way more chemistry between the two of them in this photo than there is between DB Sweeney and anyone else in the whole movie. [01:44:11] Speaker C: Well, I've got a Jason Wind card. I think that's my favorite highlight, man. You have got a Jason Winde. [01:44:19] Speaker A: Nice. [01:44:21] Speaker C: With. [01:44:22] Speaker A: Every kid wants a Jason wing card. [01:44:24] Speaker C: This on the back with like a cool spawn cape shot too. [01:44:28] Speaker B: I got a clown. One of that. [01:44:30] Speaker C: Nice. [01:44:31] Speaker A: Oh, nice. I didn't get anything special like that. And then you get an ad card in the back. There's 1997, the year of Spawn. It has the spawn album, the toys, the game. [01:44:43] Speaker B: Yeah, movie. [01:44:45] Speaker A: The comic books, t shirts, keychains, keychains, the back pictures. [01:44:50] Speaker C: Got a cool Jason win smoking a clothes clover. And it says, ironically, Jason Wynn made spawn everything he is today. It was win, head of the government agency known as a six, who believed in Al Simmons killing potential, who encouraged and trained him. And it was win who ordered and took part in the agents execution, sending Simmons straight to hell. And. [01:45:15] Speaker A: It was. [01:45:16] Speaker B: It was. It's great. It's great. [01:45:20] Speaker C: That's a cool. He's got his sick gun on the front. [01:45:23] Speaker B: It's sad that, uh, since they. Wait, did they. They. With Jason Wynn only being arrested left open the idea that Antispawn could have showed up in the sequel. Johnny. [01:45:35] Speaker A: That's true. [01:45:36] Speaker B: We should literally just kinda write a sequel movie to the original movie. Should have been. [01:45:42] Speaker C: What's the deal with the. The movie? Is there any update on the one with Jamie Foxx was in or tied to? [01:45:49] Speaker B: They've promised development that it's supposed to come out next year, but. [01:45:54] Speaker A: But they haven't started filming. [01:45:56] Speaker C: So they definitely doubtful started filming. So it's definitely not coming out next year like they finished. [01:46:02] Speaker A: Jason Blumhouse has said he's really committed to making it and wants to make it, but they'll see. I mean, they got five nights at Freddy's money now. That was their most successful, so maybe they'll make it now. It's crazy to think that after all the Jason Bloom movies, that's their most successful. [01:46:18] Speaker B: I actually saw Nick Cage spoof version of five nights at Freddy's first and perfume. [01:46:25] Speaker C: I like it a lot. [01:46:27] Speaker B: Five nights. It was good. [01:46:28] Speaker C: I haven't seen actually five nights at Freddy's yet, but I. [01:46:32] Speaker B: Because it's got nic cage doing nic cage craziness stuff. [01:46:35] Speaker C: Yeah. He's just fighting, like, animatronic. [01:46:39] Speaker B: Yeah. And then like, like, fighting them off and then being like, oh, hey, it's my break time. The break time is synchrosynced. And then he goes and plays pinball and then comes back and beats up demon. [01:46:51] Speaker C: Demon has, like, death matches with demon robots, you know. [01:46:56] Speaker B: It's great. [01:46:57] Speaker A: Just saw the crazy Nick Cage performance in long legs. I did not. [01:47:00] Speaker C: Dude, I want to see it so bad. [01:47:02] Speaker A: I didn't love it. [01:47:04] Speaker C: Really? [01:47:05] Speaker A: I thought it was okay. [01:47:06] Speaker C: Oh, man. [01:47:07] Speaker A: Nick Cage is really good. [01:47:09] Speaker C: I've heard everybody greatest, like, horror movie of its kind. They. A lot of the stuff that I've said or read has been like. It's in the same vein as silence of the lambs and the best type of that thing since silence of lambs is like, stuff I've readdeveloped. [01:47:27] Speaker A: No, is what I would say. I would say it's a little overhyped, but I wouldn't discourage you from seeing it. You might really like it. I'm just being. I'm just an old stick in the mud. [01:47:38] Speaker B: It's a horror movie for people who don't typically do horror movies, is what you're saying. [01:47:42] Speaker A: Maybe I could say that. I don't know. I'm just a big jerk. [01:47:47] Speaker B: Johnny. I don't think so. [01:47:50] Speaker A: No. It just had a lot of ideas that didn't really coalesce. Not enough Nick Cage is really good in it. Not enough spawn is mainly the thing that's the problem. [01:47:59] Speaker B: Could you imagine? Nick Cage is the violin. [01:48:03] Speaker C: Okay, who would Nic Cage be in a spawn role? [01:48:08] Speaker A: Violator. Right. [01:48:09] Speaker B: Or. [01:48:09] Speaker A: Or Jason win. [01:48:11] Speaker B: Or drunk ass coleostro. Could you imagine? [01:48:15] Speaker C: That would be pretty good. [01:48:16] Speaker A: He would have been a maniac as Jason Wynn. [01:48:18] Speaker B: He would have been a Mandeh maniac. Is Jason Lynn. [01:48:20] Speaker C: No. I mean, not even just in this movie. I mean, in any, any universe. Spawn character. Nicholas. [01:48:27] Speaker A: Oh, he was a spawn. Nor spawn nor noir. [01:48:34] Speaker C: I mean, he was, he was noir. Spider man. [01:48:36] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. Or Spider man. So it could be Detective Spawn. I could see him doing that. [01:48:43] Speaker B: I think he would be good as the, the bad guy in Gunthereze Gunslinger. Like the guy, the family who separated him from his sister. [01:48:52] Speaker A: Yeah, he would be. [01:48:53] Speaker B: That would be. That would be nice and meaty, and. [01:48:54] Speaker C: He'D be able to. Is there, like, a good evil, like, angel role? I feel like he would be pretty good at that. Probably. [01:49:05] Speaker B: Most of the male angels we meet are made just so that way they can die. [01:49:12] Speaker C: They just be ripped wings. [01:49:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:49:14] Speaker B: The majority of the. The angels that survive tend to be female, so unless you want to put them in drag. And I think. I think a nick Cage in drag performance would be pretty interesting. [01:49:24] Speaker A: I'd be down. [01:49:25] Speaker C: Yeah, that'd be great. [01:49:26] Speaker A: So, yeah, those are some cards. We got some cards. [01:49:29] Speaker B: Got it. [01:49:29] Speaker C: Everybody get the year of spawn card? [01:49:32] Speaker A: I think everyone gets that one. [01:49:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:49:35] Speaker B: We've opened a year. There's one of those in the back of every single one of them. [01:49:39] Speaker A: The whole year. [01:49:40] Speaker B: And yet. And yet. I'm pretty sure this year is even year of Spawn than the year of Spawn 1997. [01:49:47] Speaker A: It is, because there's so many comic books. [01:49:49] Speaker B: Year of our spawn 2024. [01:49:52] Speaker A: We're back in it. [01:49:53] Speaker B: Back in it. [01:49:54] Speaker A: 30 years later. Big year cycles again. [01:49:56] Speaker B: Yeah. This movie's almost 30 years old. Do you think they'll put out a special 30 year edition, Johnny? [01:50:03] Speaker A: Probably not. Probably the ten years. All you're going to get. [01:50:06] Speaker B: I don't know. I'd be. I'd be excited to see if they do something big for the 50th anniversary of it. We'll be old men by then. Johnny would be still be doing spawn. They'll still be new spawn to cover so well. [01:50:22] Speaker A: So every week we usually give a shout out. This week, since it's our last. Not last episode. Oh, my God. Our 100th episode. Our 100th episode. We're just gonna give a shout out to you, the listeners. So thank you so much for listening these 100 episodes. We're glad you've been going on this journey with us. It means a lot. So thank you so much. We give you a shout out this week. Yes, thank you. [01:50:48] Speaker B: Thank you for. Thank you for supporting us in our ludicrous. Just talking about comic books. It keeps us both sane, surprising as that may sound. [01:50:59] Speaker A: Speak for yourself. [01:51:01] Speaker B: Keeps me sane, at least. [01:51:03] Speaker A: No, it does. It's nice. We really do enjoy it. If you're enjoying it as well, make sure to hit us up on Instagram, egardingspawnpod. We're posting about the episodes and other things, and if you want to hit us up for longer, tell us what you think about the spawn movie. Hit me [email protected]. dot. I almost sent my real email for some. [01:51:27] Speaker B: I mean, you could send an email to that, too. If you have it, you could. [01:51:31] Speaker A: But I already get enough junk emails. [01:51:35] Speaker B: This wouldn't be junk emails, Johnny. [01:51:37] Speaker A: I know. [01:51:37] Speaker C: You're right. [01:51:37] Speaker A: They'd be very good. We want to thank Lonnie Bones for our music. Find him on wherever you get music. Apple iTunes, Spotify. [01:51:46] Speaker B: You can. You can even google it. Lonnie Bones music. [01:51:49] Speaker A: Lonnie Bones. [01:51:50] Speaker B: Lonnie with a yes. [01:51:51] Speaker A: I want to give a big thanks to Logan or one of our most classic guests coming back to wish us a happy 100,000. [01:51:58] Speaker B: Not. [01:51:58] Speaker C: And not even a gunslinger episode either. [01:52:01] Speaker A: Not even a gunslinger or Star wars. [01:52:03] Speaker C: Yes. [01:52:03] Speaker B: Interesting. Interesting. I think you're the. The most. The most repeat guest we've ever had. [01:52:07] Speaker C: Oh, no. [01:52:08] Speaker A: Your 6th time or fifth time. [01:52:10] Speaker C: It's probably 4th. 4th or fifth. [01:52:13] Speaker A: Yeah, it's fourth. It's fourth. [01:52:15] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. It's good numbers. [01:52:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:52:18] Speaker A: Your quadrilogy, the quadrille G. You got. [01:52:21] Speaker B: Anything coming up that you want to let the people know about, Logan? [01:52:24] Speaker C: Oh, nothing really right now. We just did the. The other. I guess we'll be doing a show for what do you. [01:52:33] Speaker B: Fest. [01:52:33] Speaker C: Yippee fest later. [01:52:34] Speaker A: Yippee fest in Chicago. I will be writing, directing a play, and Logan will be featured in another play. [01:52:40] Speaker B: What are those dates? What is the name of that play? [01:52:42] Speaker A: August 22 at the Chopin Theater in Chicago. Saturday. [01:52:47] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:52:48] Speaker A: We'll be doing the walnut Crete decapitation and the Willoughby house. Two plays, both alike in dignity, but it'll be great. We're doing it for my theater company that I'm a part of. El Bear has done that festival for many years. So very excited to come back and do it. And that'll be coming up in August. [01:53:06] Speaker B: Nice. Go see. Go see Johnny and see Logan do the things that they do best after Spawn, of course. That is the things they do best that aren't spawn related. [01:53:15] Speaker C: I guess I'm featured in the other one as well, in a video. Featured? [01:53:19] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. Yeah, it's great. You do it. You do a real good. You do a real good. Angry guy making a video in his. [01:53:26] Speaker C: Truck on the Internet. Yeah. [01:53:29] Speaker A: Yeah, it was good. Well, hopefully no one makes an angry video about this episode. Hopefully you enjoyed us talking about Spawn the movie. I guess we should rate it, right? [01:53:37] Speaker B: Oh, I guess we should. Real quick. [01:53:39] Speaker A: So do you have time to rate it real quick? Logan, out of here. I like Spawn the movie. It was my big introduction to spawn. Like, it was the one spawn thing I had that I could latch onto because it was on either stars or HBO, I guess. HBO because it's Warner brothers a lot. So I watched it a lot. It is a good introduction to the character. It does have its flaws of special effects, and it's weird kind of pacing. But I think it's a fun nineties action movie. I can see why it still gets brought up in the conversation all the time. Some great performances from John Leguizamo. And I say Michael Jai White, but I like it out of five. I would give it three out of five. Three out of five. See it, wandas. See it. [01:54:30] Speaker C: Won this. [01:54:33] Speaker A: What about you, David? [01:54:35] Speaker B: So it's not a good movie. It's a movie, but it's not a good movie. But it's enjoyable enough that it doesn't really matter. I think if they had figured out the correct level of cocaine to have everybody on it would have been phenomenal movie. But that the disparate, disparate amounts is just wild. It's fun. It's got a lot of spawn stuff in it. And if you like spawn, you're gonna like it. It's not gonna be exactly what you want out of a spawn movie. But does that fucking matter? No. It's what we have. I'm gonna give it just the middle of the road. Two and a half. Two and a half. Phenomenal. Phenomenally designed rat alleys. Like, I want that alley. If that alley existed in Chicago, I would be putting a box there every week and being like, this is where I'm gonna live. [01:55:37] Speaker C: Nice. [01:55:38] Speaker B: What about you? [01:55:39] Speaker C: I'm gonna. I'm gonna say, like, yeah. I'm gonna say, like, it's not. My biggest problems with the movie are honestly, like, the bad CGI of hell. If I'm being honest. Like, the rest is, like, an enjoyable romp for me. So I'm gonna also give it three stars. I'm gonna give it three. Hell, yeah. [01:56:00] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah. That's a real good. [01:56:03] Speaker A: There it is. [01:56:04] Speaker B: There it is. And so, spawn the movie. We'd love to be in here for a hundred episodes. Here's to 100 episodes more. Another spawn movie comes out, we'll have to watch it too. It's very exciting. I look forward to stumbling across the director's cut one of these days to do it. Every time I've watched this movie, I swear it's a different movie. So it'll be especially a different movie that time too. [01:56:31] Speaker A: Absolutely. [01:56:32] Speaker B: So I guess with that. Thanks. Thanks, y'all, for listening. And Johnny Logan, may the scorched be with you. [01:56:42] Speaker A: And also with you, David. [01:56:44] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. [01:56:45] Speaker A: Hell, yeah. [01:56:46] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:56:50] Speaker B: Time to die. Jason Sadeena up.