Episode 122 - Deadly Tales Of The Gunslinger 1 - with guest Mark "tinyspawny" Zoavak

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Remember me? [00:00:01] Speaker B: You. How is this possible? [00:00:03] Speaker A: You can ask the devil. [00:00:31] Speaker B: Foreign. [00:00:36] Speaker A: Welcome to the Malibu. This is regarding Spawn, the world's best Spawn podcast. I'm your co host, John Fisher. [00:00:45] Speaker B: And I am your co host, David Williams. And Johnny, to break Kayfabe a little bit, you had to. You said you had to channel your inner Clint Eastwood. And the most recent Clint Eastwood movie I watched was Every which Way But Loose. Oh, wow. You didn't. You didn't hit it exactly the way you should have. [00:01:04] Speaker A: It should have been, I'm sorry, I gotta be more squinty. [00:01:07] Speaker B: And you gotta. You gotta talk about Clyde a lot more. Where's Clyde? Johnny? [00:01:13] Speaker A: Last Clint Eastwood movie I watched was probably Good the Bad and the Ugly in the last couple, two or three, four years, I'm sure. [00:01:20] Speaker B: I mean, we are talking. We are talking Western, so that's pretty good. Do you think. You think maybe there might be somebody else that we could ask about recent Clint Eastwood watchings? Johnny? [00:01:30] Speaker A: I think so. And someone we can ask about Westerns for sure. And especially gunslinger Spawn. Because today with us, y'all, we have a special guest. We have Mark Zovak. You know him as Tiny Spawny online. But welcome to the show, Mark. Thanks for joining us. [00:01:43] Speaker C: Hi, guys. Longtime fan. Thanks for having me. [00:01:46] Speaker B: Thanks for being. [00:01:47] Speaker A: Of course. Yeah, we actually got to. Have you watched any Clint Eastwood movies lately? Or what was the last one you watched? [00:01:53] Speaker C: I can't remember the last Western that I watched. Honestly, the gunslinger comic is the only Western I'm into. [00:01:59] Speaker A: Nice. You'd probably like. If you ever want to check out a movie, you'd probably like Bone Tomahawk, if you. If you haven't ever seen that. Okay, I'll check it out at Spawn Con. Thomas Healey said, this book is kind of like a mix between 310 to Yuma and bone Tomahawk. So. Okay, I'll check it out. [00:02:17] Speaker B: But it's definitely one of the most sports Spawn like, of the westerns that are available to us currently. Yeah. [00:02:25] Speaker A: And Mark and I actually got to meet at Spawncon. [00:02:28] Speaker C: Yes, we did. [00:02:29] Speaker A: Last October. October 2023. Which was awesome. [00:02:33] Speaker B: Do you bond over burgers at Ruby Tuesdays? [00:02:36] Speaker A: No, Mark. Mark said I was talking to him and he and his wife only go to local restaurants. They're good people. [00:02:41] Speaker B: Oh, nice. Nice. They probably also had better means of conveyance than. Than just. [00:02:47] Speaker A: Yeah, that was. The thing is I. I didn't bring a coat and I didn't really have a car, so as you know, Mark, it was very snowy that day. [00:02:55] Speaker C: Yes. Yes. We got quite a bit of snow that day on the. On the one day that we were there. [00:02:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:00] Speaker C: No. Yeah. I got to meet Johnny and walk around the con with him for a little bit. And I was there when he bought the. The Jessica Priest print from Chance Wolf. [00:03:09] Speaker A: Yeah. Because I hadn't seen it, and I just saw it. I was like, oh, my God, That's. [00:03:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:11] Speaker C: He said, I have to have this. [00:03:13] Speaker A: Yeah. He's a big Jessica Priest fan. Especially old school crazy Jessica Priest. [00:03:18] Speaker B: I can imagine those exact words coming out of Johnny's mouth. [00:03:21] Speaker A: That's pretty much exactly it. [00:03:23] Speaker B: Like, I'm pretty sure I've seen the face that you make when you say that, too. [00:03:27] Speaker C: Yeah. He was quite taken aback by the. By the picture. [00:03:31] Speaker A: Yeah. I gotta hang it up in the other room outside this closet that I recorded. [00:03:34] Speaker B: Or you could hang it up on the inside of the closet. So it's always with us. [00:03:37] Speaker A: You know, I could. I could put it right here. It might help with sound, with echo reduction, too. But Mark's not recording in the closet. He's got a badass spawn shelf behind him. [00:03:46] Speaker B: Yeah, look at that. [00:03:47] Speaker C: Oh, there's. There's way more in front of me. I just. Oh, wow. I just. I just picked this corner. [00:03:53] Speaker A: I love it. [00:03:53] Speaker C: Yes. [00:03:54] Speaker A: A very special one that you got as a kind of a. We were talking before we were recording, and you got as a magical Christmas miracle right there behind you. [00:04:04] Speaker C: Yes. He showed up on. He actually showed up. He was supposed to be here after Christmas, but FedEx came through, and I got him on Christmas Eve is when he showed up. The medieval spawn. [00:04:17] Speaker B: Oh, man. I mean, look at that flail. [00:04:19] Speaker C: I just want to say, for the guys out there saying that this could be released as a 24.99 figure are. They're way wrong. I mean, the detail and the accessories alone are well worth. What we paid for. [00:04:32] Speaker A: Was only like, $80, right? [00:04:34] Speaker C: No, if you factor in shipping, the figure itself is $58. [00:04:39] Speaker A: They were $58 a piece, so great deal. [00:04:42] Speaker C: This is well worth the money. [00:04:44] Speaker A: You can't see a movie for $58. [00:04:46] Speaker C: No, no. Right. Honestly. And I think just from the couple different hints that Todd has dropped, that I think Gunslinger is going to be the next Kickstarter. [00:04:57] Speaker B: Oh, hell yeah. [00:04:57] Speaker C: Because originally he was going to do the original lineup that came out, but now going back, he says he doesn't know if, like, Tremor or Overkill would be, like, a big draw. But I can see that he said twice. You know, I could do somebody different. Somebody Cool. Like gunslinger. He said that twice. So fingers crossed, that's what's next. [00:05:18] Speaker A: I will definitely be getting that one. [00:05:19] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, definitely. [00:05:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Cuz that. That statue one from the. The first. The first action figure, the first like po. Non posable figure that they put out is kind of hard to come by anymore for. Not a lot of money. [00:05:32] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:05:34] Speaker B: Like the early 2000s. And the. In the plastic that we talk about all the time, that's basically like a mini statue. [00:05:41] Speaker A: Oh, the 300 Kickstarter one? The. [00:05:43] Speaker B: No, the gunslinger one. [00:05:45] Speaker A: Oh, the gunslinger one. That is hard to get. [00:05:48] Speaker B: Yeah, that is. Yeah. Did you. [00:05:49] Speaker A: Did you try to buy it off someone on Reddit? They like, scammed you. [00:05:51] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I lost some money on that, but yeah. Yeah. That guy. [00:05:55] Speaker A: That guy. [00:05:56] Speaker B: I tried to buy that guy. [00:05:57] Speaker C: And I have two of them. I have one in the box and I have this guy. I have the 12 inch over there. [00:06:03] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [00:06:03] Speaker A: That was my first. As I got. As I got into Spawn, you know, with King Spawn launching. My first purchase of the action figures was the Gunslinger. And I remember when it first came out, it was kind of hard to come by. [00:06:14] Speaker B: Yeah, the figure itself. [00:06:16] Speaker A: Yeah, just the 12 inch figure. I got it. I remember I woke up at like 6 in the morning and decided to check Target and they had one in stock. I guess someone had like return theirs and I got it. But then it was everywhere. [00:06:31] Speaker B: I got drunk on my birthday once and ordered myself the Gamestop exclusive that has the horse. That horse is a beast. It's a. It's a big one. [00:06:41] Speaker C: Yeah, he's. He's in here. [00:06:43] Speaker B: He's a good. [00:06:43] Speaker A: I appreciate the Swan. The movie figures too. I like those. That's a good line. [00:06:46] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. I mean it. You can find them about anywhere. [00:06:50] Speaker A: But yeah, yeah, I got my. I got Al Simmons right here with me. [00:06:54] Speaker B: Hell yeah. I've got my. I've got my Redeemer hand that I have to keep out of the way from the kids. So it just always sits here and records with me. [00:07:04] Speaker A: It's always. It's a helping hand. [00:07:07] Speaker B: Literally. [00:07:08] Speaker A: And that is a long way of saying welcome to Respawn, where each week we bring you two issues from Spawn's universe. Except when we don't. This is one of those cases where we don't. Because we have. We've had a good run of guests here, David. [00:07:20] Speaker B: Yeah, we have. It was end of the year. Happy holidays to us, you could say. [00:07:24] Speaker A: Yeah. But we have just one issue we're covering today, and it is a big one. It is the number one of the new series we've all been waiting for. Deadly Tales of the Gunslinger. [00:07:35] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [00:07:36] Speaker A: And let me tell you, I read, read it last night and I reread it this morning. This is a great fucking book. [00:07:42] Speaker B: It's a good book. [00:07:43] Speaker C: Definitely. [00:07:44] Speaker A: I love, I mean, I love so much about it. And we'll get into it, but just like the classic western art is so cool. [00:07:50] Speaker B: Oh, man, it's. It's got that, that pathos that are really good. Western has that you can kind of skip over, but once you start really paying attention, you're like, oh, this is way more fucked up than it should be. It's wild. I loved the hell out of it. [00:08:07] Speaker A: And Mark, I think I saw on Instagram that you bought quite a few copies. [00:08:11] Speaker C: Me? [00:08:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:13] Speaker C: Yeah, I, I got with my, my local comic shop and typically I don't get into the one in 50s and my shop is like super small. So I went in there and I begged and pleaded. I'm like, hey, I'm like, if I buy, you know, above and beyond what you guys, you know, would normally buy, I said, I'll pay for all the extra. I said, can I get the, the one in 50? I got it. [00:08:37] Speaker A: Hell yeah. [00:08:38] Speaker C: But the thing about my comic shop and I mean, I, I do a lot of business there. I'm always promoting their store. They take care of me. I don't pay anything for the incentive covers. [00:08:48] Speaker A: Oh, that's so sweet. [00:08:49] Speaker C: So this one connection, the thank you cover, they're just like, here, take it. And I'm like, okay. I'm like, are you sure? [00:08:56] Speaker A: What, what's, what's the comic shop and where's it located? [00:08:59] Speaker C: It's called Reader's Delight Comics Books and Toys. It's. It's Reader's Delight and they're here in Ohio in Lewisburg, but they don't do like online ordering. Ah, it's like a small mom and pop shop. [00:09:14] Speaker B: But I was gonna say I could put the website in the. [00:09:16] Speaker C: Oh yeah. [00:09:17] Speaker B: Description, but if they don't have. [00:09:18] Speaker C: They have a website, but no, I mean, they, they're really small. [00:09:21] Speaker B: All right. [00:09:22] Speaker C: But that's cool. [00:09:23] Speaker A: That's always nice to find a really local shop like that. That's great. [00:09:26] Speaker C: Yeah, I, I never, I never do the one in 50s, but this one, I decided I had to have it. [00:09:31] Speaker B: It's a beautiful cover too. Oh yeah, that. Black and white. Todd McFarlane. [00:09:35] Speaker C: Todd McFarlane, black and white. Yeah, I love it. [00:09:37] Speaker B: Oh, man, that's. That's a prime canvas for For a signing right there. [00:09:42] Speaker C: Yeah. And when I posted on Instagram, he saw that I bought so many copies, he says, oh, the next time we meet, he said, I'll have to sign a few of those for you. I said, honestly? I said, we've never met, but I'm hoping to one day. I've never been able to go to a con and actually meet him. [00:09:57] Speaker B: You could. You could. You could just use that against him. Be like, hey, the Todd father knows me. He wants me out here. You could just, like, crash the green room or something. [00:10:07] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I haven't met him either. I met everyone at Spawncon, and I met. We saw Tom Wojczykowski again at C2E2 and got to talk to him. He liked our sandwich costumes. Yeah, that was fun. [00:10:19] Speaker B: He said that his. His wife really likes the gunslinger, so that he has to do all the lettering for all the gunslinger books. [00:10:26] Speaker A: So, yeah, he's on this now, because now this will be his, what, like, fourth? Because he's doing regular Gunslinger Deadly Tales. Sam and Twitch, I think. [00:10:34] Speaker B: And he's doing main title and main title. [00:10:36] Speaker A: Yes, that's four. [00:10:37] Speaker B: Because, yeah, King Spawn and Scorched are both. And World and Spawn Kills Every. Spawn and Rat City are both by the writers. [00:10:48] Speaker A: Right? That's right. [00:10:49] Speaker B: And I think that's. I think that's all we have going right now. I think. I think Misery was also. And World. [00:10:53] Speaker A: Okay, well, since we're on the subject of covers and that's how we usually start, might as well talk about the A cover as well. That's what I have in front of me, and it is just this awesome Patrick Reynolds portrait of gunslinger. Just pretty classic Western. [00:11:08] Speaker B: Yeah, this is so classic Western that I would not be surprised if I went over to Logan's house and this were, like, right on the wall. Oh, man, you got an actual poster of it. Hell, yeah. Look at that. [00:11:17] Speaker A: Oh, nice. Where'd you get that? [00:11:19] Speaker C: So Patrick Reynolds, you know, the artist, he had posted up several months ago that he was signing or selling signed prints. And I thought I missed out. So on a whim, I messaged him, I think, back at the beginning of December and said, hey, I said, with a new comic coming out, are you planning on doing any more of those prints? And he goes, actually, he goes, I still have two left. I said, okay, give them to me. So, man, I. I bought them off of Patrick. [00:11:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:45] Speaker C: Like I said, at the beginning of the month. And, yeah, it's pretty sweet, man. [00:11:49] Speaker B: You were the. You were the luckiest person with the it's the last or the next to last. [00:11:53] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. He goes, I have two left. And I said, mine, please. [00:11:58] Speaker B: I would have sent back immediately a gift of. The gift of the seagulls from Fighting Nemo. Just mine. Yeah, I have. I have the B cover because I can't. I can't resist the Bjorn Barons, Johnny. And it's. It's got all the Bjorn Barons that we love in it. It's gunslinger, covered in a whole bunch of bullet holes and surrounded by a whole bunch of dead bodies. What more could you need? [00:12:21] Speaker A: Yeah, it's pretty great. [00:12:22] Speaker C: The one that I opened up and I've been reading a couple times is the Bjorn Baron cover also. I have them all. So I just took my pick and grabbed one. [00:12:30] Speaker A: That's it, right? There's not another. [00:12:32] Speaker C: No. [00:12:32] Speaker A: Well, this is. Well, there's a C cut. There's the color version of the. [00:12:35] Speaker C: Yeah, there's the Todd McFarlane. Yes, that's the C cover. [00:12:39] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the C covers. Because there were three. My shop only ordered the A. Yeah, there's the C. Yep, looking good. Yeah. Comic shop only had the A. I. [00:12:47] Speaker B: Think mine only had A and B. [00:12:49] Speaker A: They had everything for Gunslinger number one. I guess that was a bigger deal. [00:12:52] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't know. I. I know a lot of. A lot of people who have come out of the woodwork for this. Like, people who have, the entire time I've known them just been like spawn. But like, as soon as they were like, jimmy Palmiotti is doing another western book. [00:13:08] Speaker A: Just got to get on that. [00:13:09] Speaker C: Yeah. On that note, I did not have to buy as many copies from my LCs because there was like a big buzz, you know, on this new book coming out. And a lot of people were wanting to get this new Gunslinger, but I still had to buy 37 copies instead of 50, so. [00:13:24] Speaker B: Hey, hey, that's out. That sounds like free little. Free little library seeds to me. [00:13:30] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:13:31] Speaker A: Evangelize to the church of gunslinger. [00:13:33] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. I've already given them a couple of them away just to get people interested and say, here, check this one out. [00:13:39] Speaker B: It's also. It's meaty as hell. [00:13:41] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:13:42] Speaker B: We should probably. [00:13:43] Speaker A: Good story. [00:13:43] Speaker B: We should probably get into some of that meat. [00:13:45] Speaker A: But before we do, David, we have to do the credits. [00:13:47] Speaker B: Yeah, we do. [00:13:48] Speaker A: So, as we mentioned, we have script plot by Jimmy Palmiotti. And now he was famous for writing Jonah Hex. Jonah Hex, Yeah. For a good run of that. So no stranger to the western various. [00:13:59] Speaker B: Other DC books, but specifically for this, Jonah Hex is what we would want to focus on. So he wrote the Good Jonah Hex and not the Bad Jonah Hex. [00:14:09] Speaker A: I saw the movie. I don't remember a single thing about it. [00:14:13] Speaker B: You're probably fine. Famously. Famously married to Amanda Connor, and they work as a duo a lot. [00:14:21] Speaker A: Is she also a comic writer? [00:14:23] Speaker B: Yeah, a writer and an artist. She usually doesn't do interiors anymore, though. She's a real big cover artist. [00:14:29] Speaker A: Okay, there you go. And as we also mentioned. Well, we didn't mention that he does the interior, but we have art by Patrick Reynolds, colors by Louis nct, lettering, as we mentioned, his fourth book with them, Tom Wojcikowski. We already covered the covers. [00:14:47] Speaker C: Sure did. [00:14:48] Speaker A: And the creative director is Mr. Todd McFarlane, soon to be friend of Mark. [00:14:52] Speaker B: Yes, indeed. [00:14:53] Speaker A: And editor in chief. We all know him. We all love him. Thomas Healey very much. Yeah, Thomas Healy's great. He's just. He was so much fun to meet at spawncon. [00:15:02] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:15:03] Speaker A: It's just so great with the fans and, like, so supportive of everybody that, you know the Spawn community, which is really nice to have. [00:15:11] Speaker C: So the only thing I want to say before we get into this, and I was wrong in my Instagram post, this is not Jeremy Winston. He has been this. I believe this story is now being retconned, because I went back and read 174 and 175, and this is not the same gunslinger. [00:15:33] Speaker A: Okay. [00:15:34] Speaker B: All right. [00:15:34] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what we'll see. [00:15:35] Speaker B: I feel like. I feel like Thomas Healey kind of maybe. Maybe said that it might be a different guy or it might just be. I don't know. He touched on a little bit of the differences that we should expect. [00:15:48] Speaker C: So, yeah, so this is definitely the same guy from the gunslinger comic, but it is not Jeremy Winston like I thought it was going to be. [00:15:57] Speaker A: Right? It is. It is Javi, but not yet in the Javi skin. [00:16:01] Speaker C: Yeah, Actually, yes. Correct. Yeah. Because his name isn't Javi. [00:16:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:05] Speaker A: Right. [00:16:05] Speaker B: He just inhabited a body named Javi. [00:16:08] Speaker C: And the only thing that bugs me about that is, you know, they say his. His essence was pulled. Then why does Javi's body have all those scars that the gunslinger had while he's laying in a hospital? I don't know if that's just his point. [00:16:20] Speaker B: I mean, maybe. Maybe his essence is just that beat. Gnarly essence. Yeah. [00:16:25] Speaker A: It just pours through the skin. [00:16:27] Speaker B: Yes. He's not a real careful man, this. No, no, he's not. So No, I can imagine. His aura is just as chaotic as self. I was actually surprised that Todd McFarlane didn't angle for a writing credit on this because the story Javi tells is like literally exactly the exact story from the gunslinger issues 13 and 14 that have the same story of Javi being dragged around by the horse. Yeah, I found that interesting. [00:16:58] Speaker A: And they have the. They have the. I think it's in the first Gunslinger where the crows bring down the hat. [00:17:03] Speaker B: Well, that. That's actually in issue 14. [00:17:06] Speaker A: Oh, it's in issue 14. Okay. [00:17:07] Speaker B: I think it happens a couple of times too. But yeah, like, all of. All of Javi's quips are the same. They stop at a better place in this issue than they do in the main title. [00:17:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:17:18] Speaker A: Okay, so we're seeing it. We're seeing the same thing again. [00:17:19] Speaker B: So it's. It's like. It's like a. The second pass on the same. On the same script. It's pretty. [00:17:25] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah, There you go. Well, first we open with a barn fire. Yeah, the barn's burning. It's a barn burner. [00:17:36] Speaker B: Yeah, those. Those horses. Those horses ain't getting out, Johnny. This is a bad one. [00:17:40] Speaker A: And we meet our villain here, or villains. If you go by the ending and he's coming out of the barn. He's got a cool speech bubble. [00:17:50] Speaker B: Yeah, he's got that. He's got that. That creepy. Creepy voice bubble. [00:17:55] Speaker A: He's got those Lee Van Cleef like, snake like eyes. [00:17:58] Speaker B: Yeah, that. [00:17:59] Speaker A: They're red. So we know something's up with him. [00:18:01] Speaker B: Yeah, he's not a good guy. [00:18:03] Speaker C: Who do you guys think he is? [00:18:05] Speaker B: I have absolutely no idea. He's some kind of. He's some kind of magic man. [00:18:10] Speaker C: I'm wondering if it's not Mammon. [00:18:12] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a good guess. [00:18:14] Speaker C: That's my guess because he's the one that created the original Gunslinger. Well, the first Gunslinger. And then he's here and I guess essentially creating the second one. [00:18:27] Speaker B: So. So sort of like a sin, but for Gunslinger kind of. [00:18:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:18:33] Speaker B: I mean, although I guess Coeostro does exist at this time, so that's not really a great. [00:18:37] Speaker A: Yeah, he'll be in this book, I bet, because they meet up, they talk about it. They definitely know of each other because. [00:18:42] Speaker B: We remember Groovy Poncho. Cogliostro definitely knows Javi. [00:18:47] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Nine or whatever. [00:18:51] Speaker B: Yeah. From when he sucks them into the. The body through time and then they fight and then something happens and the body doesn't die. I don't I'm still confused about that one. [00:19:03] Speaker A: Hey, this is what this is here for, to lay it all out. [00:19:05] Speaker B: That's the issue that comes with the page puncher, right? [00:19:08] Speaker A: Yeah, I think so. [00:19:09] Speaker B: What a weird issue. [00:19:10] Speaker A: He fights Augur. [00:19:12] Speaker B: Yeah. That we thought was gonna be a much bigger. A much bigger deal. [00:19:16] Speaker A: Yes. [00:19:16] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah. But we have a figure. [00:19:18] Speaker A: There is one. [00:19:19] Speaker B: It's a nice, nice little, little three incher. I like those three inchers. But yeah, so. So bad guy is talking to other bad guy and says, hey, I did this job. It was a little below me, though, so hopefully you got something good for me coming up. And his boss is like, oh, yeah, I got something for you. I need you to see a man about a badge. [00:19:36] Speaker A: And we cut to Gunnison, Colorado, and there's a reverend. You know, it's never. What is that movie? Night. It reminds me of Night of the Hunter, where that. You never seen it. It's like an old horror movie where this guy poses as a reverend. It's kind of a western horror, but it's from like the 50s or 60s. [00:19:50] Speaker B: I mean, it's. It's a good enough. It's a good enough thing to pose as in these times because everybody's going to trust a reverend. [00:19:57] Speaker A: Yeah, it's almost this Reverends or snake oil salesman. Yeah, all of them. [00:20:02] Speaker B: This one, this one especially. He's got a. He's got a mean version of snake oil he's trying to sell here. [00:20:07] Speaker A: But just the like, you know, it's a fantasy book. But like this part is just so classic Western. [00:20:13] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:20:13] Speaker A: The art and yeah. How the scene plays out and like. [00:20:18] Speaker B: Reading it, reading it in accent, it's just. It's just perfect. [00:20:22] Speaker A: Well, speaking of Good the Bad, the Ugly reminds me of a scene in that. Which has been redone. Like Fallout kind of did a similar scene. It's the old kitchen table scene where he kills everybody. He's waiting at the kitchen table. Fallout does a version of it. It's at the beginning a good, the Bad, the Ugly. I think even Mandalorian does a version of it, I think. [00:20:42] Speaker B: Isn't there also a version of it somewhere in the Dark Tower series? [00:20:45] Speaker A: I'm sure. [00:20:46] Speaker B: I'm pretty sure. [00:20:47] Speaker A: But it's like a classic trope of like the bad guy gets their first, kills the family and waits. And that's what this guy's doing here. This is the guy that the Red Eyed man sent off. We don't know that yet. Because he's David. I think he's a she. And I think she's a changeling. As Anakin Skywalker says. [00:21:08] Speaker B: It'S something. So, yeah. The reverend comes along, across this lady who's hanging up some laundry. And he's like, could you tell me where the sheriff lives? And she's like, hey, what fortune? I am the sheriff's wife. So she brings him in, makes him some coffee, feeds him some kind of food. Not beans, obviously. She offers him beans, and he says, no, thanks. I'm good. And then. And then he's like, let's get down to business. I need to talk to you about your husband. And she's like, what about. He's like, if I tell you, I have to kill you. And then I like that they take an entire panel to just be silence. And then he's like, yeah, never mind. I lied. I'm gonna kill you anyway. [00:21:45] Speaker C: That was awesome. [00:21:46] Speaker A: I wish you would eat those beans, man. [00:21:48] Speaker B: He should have. He should. Should have been, like, waiting for the beans. Like, the beans could have just finished warming up, and you could be like, hey, actually, never mind. [00:21:55] Speaker C: He's killing her because she offered him beans. [00:21:58] Speaker A: Yeah. She's like, I don't like fucking beans. [00:22:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:01] Speaker C: That's all you have? [00:22:02] Speaker A: That's it. I recently went to Houston to visit my brother and his family, and I got to go get some Tex Mex. [00:22:08] Speaker B: Oh, hell yeah. How was that, Johnny? [00:22:09] Speaker A: It was great. But the place we went to, I think it was called Lupe's, and it's like a fajit known as a fajita place. It's like a local chain, but they serve you salsa and some beans. It's like an appetizer for free. So I got some nice hot. It was kind of like a bean stew type thing, but it's really good. [00:22:27] Speaker B: Are you. Are you a fan of Tex Mex? At Tex Mex, Mark? [00:22:32] Speaker C: I'd say probably not a whole lot. [00:22:34] Speaker B: Okay. [00:22:35] Speaker A: More traditional Mexican food. [00:22:38] Speaker C: I mean, I'll eat it, but there's actually a. It's like a Japanese food truck here in town that is, like, kind of permanent, and I go there quite a bit. [00:22:48] Speaker A: That's awesome. [00:22:48] Speaker B: Sounds delicious. Yeah, we've. We've discovered that most. If you didn't grow up, basically with Tex Mex running through your blood, it's not anything to you. You're like, what the fuck is this? [00:22:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:23:00] Speaker A: What is all this cheese? [00:23:01] Speaker B: But us. Us, it's like we crave it. Like, we need the deep fried burritos and all of the queso. [00:23:08] Speaker A: So, yeah, then we cut to. [00:23:09] Speaker B: Cut to the sheriff himself. [00:23:10] Speaker A: The sheriff. Sheriff himself leaving. A classic situation. Leaving the deputy there. [00:23:16] Speaker B: Yeah. To. To watch over a condemned man for his final night. [00:23:20] Speaker A: That always seems to go bad. [00:23:22] Speaker C: Always. [00:23:23] Speaker B: They should probably just kill them the night before and just get it over with. Right. [00:23:28] Speaker A: Yeah. Whenever they leave the deputy, you know, that's a bad sign. [00:23:31] Speaker B: I mean, I'm anti capital punishment, but I'm pro. Just getting it out of the way so that way you don't have bigger issues later. Right, Right. [00:23:39] Speaker A: Like this poor sheriff who has a big issue because as we said, it's the kitchen table scene. [00:23:43] Speaker B: Yes. [00:23:44] Speaker A: Wife's dead, lights out, silhouetted against the window, and he. [00:23:48] Speaker C: Blam. [00:23:49] Speaker A: He shoots him right in the. Right in the gullet. [00:23:51] Speaker B: Right in the gut, right in the stomach. [00:23:53] Speaker A: Gullet's your throat, right? [00:23:56] Speaker B: Yeah, I think. Yeah, I think gullet would be like. It's more like going inside, I think, usually. [00:24:02] Speaker A: Okay, so she gets shot in the gut then. [00:24:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:04] Speaker A: Which is, I hear tell, a pretty painful place to be shot. [00:24:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I believe it. I think it would hurt to get shot no matter what. Yes, but you definitely can. A higher risk of infection. Shot in the gut, which is the bigger thing. And then old Mr. Badman himself turns from shadowy man to. Oh, my God, Johnny. [00:24:27] Speaker A: It's the sheriff. [00:24:28] Speaker B: He did some cloning. He's a clone. Look at that guy. [00:24:31] Speaker A: He changed into the sheriff, and then. [00:24:33] Speaker B: He spends all night digging a couple of shallow graves. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. That's a lot of. That's a lot of work to get done in one night. I couldn't imagine. I would have probably made one hole and stuck them both in. [00:24:46] Speaker A: Just throw them both in there. [00:24:49] Speaker B: Why do you. Why do you need to be separate? Just throw them both in there. [00:24:53] Speaker A: At least he's semi respectful. [00:24:54] Speaker B: Hey, I guess. I guess. [00:24:57] Speaker A: But then I love just the silence of this whole page where there's no dialogue. [00:25:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:01] Speaker A: And just him shifting and him burying the bodies and the sun coming up. And then like a classic walk down the main drag. [00:25:07] Speaker B: Yeah. And he walks in. He walks into the. I guess the sheriff's office is what we're calling it. The deputy is like, hey, nice to see you, Sheriff. It's been nice and quiet. And then he gets a knife to the throat. [00:25:18] Speaker C: Ah. [00:25:18] Speaker B: Ah, jeez. [00:25:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:21] Speaker B: And then the condemned man gets a. An offer he can't refuse a ton of money and just kill this guy for me. He's like, hey, sure thing. [00:25:32] Speaker A: Being a minute ago, I was lined up to hang today, I'm in. [00:25:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:36] Speaker C: He's got nothing to lose. [00:25:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:38] Speaker A: Like the crazy son of a. I'm in. [00:25:40] Speaker B: The easiest job offer acceptance ever. [00:25:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Then we cut back to one month earlier with a lone figure. You could say man with no Name even. [00:25:53] Speaker B: Yeah, could be any he offers. None. [00:25:56] Speaker A: So it's just like. See, that's not even true, though, because in the other two movies he has a name. They just call him the man with no Name and Good the Bad and the Ugly. But in Fistful of Dollars, his name is Joe, and in A Few Dollars More, Clint Eastwood's name is Manco. [00:26:12] Speaker B: Well, then if the names aren't. If the names aren't consistent, then he doesn't have a name. He has any name. [00:26:19] Speaker A: That's true. He's the man with no Name. [00:26:21] Speaker B: Or all the names. He's the man with all names. [00:26:24] Speaker A: I need to watch the full trilogy again. It's interesting because they're each progressively better. And Good, the Bad, so good. It kind of superannuates the other two a little bit because they're kind of very similar, but it's just like. Each one's just more epic and more epic that you can't kind of. It's hard to go back. [00:26:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I believe it. We should probably watch them together, actually. You could force me to actually start watching. No, Johnny, you've never seen Good, the. [00:26:51] Speaker A: Bad and the Ugly. [00:26:52] Speaker B: No, I haven't. [00:26:53] Speaker A: Really. [00:26:54] Speaker B: I really haven't. [00:26:55] Speaker C: I have, but it's been a long time ago. I'll probably go back and watch it again. [00:26:59] Speaker A: I got the Blu Ray. It's beautiful. It's a beautiful. [00:27:03] Speaker B: That's not gonna do me any good. I don't got a Blu Ray player. [00:27:05] Speaker A: What, in the year of our Lord 2024. [00:27:10] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:27:11] Speaker A: I'm a big proponent of physical media. Do you have a. Do you do a lot of physical media besides comic books, Mark? Or is that mainly your. Your jam? [00:27:18] Speaker C: Oh, no, I mean, I'm all about physical, too. I mean, you know, I want to hold the comic in my hand and, you know, when it comes to video games, I prefer disc. I know everybody says you have the. You know, the convenience of digital, but I don't know. I don't want to start an argument, but. [00:27:33] Speaker A: No, I agree with you. [00:27:34] Speaker C: You don't. You don't own it. You just. You're just buying the license. So if they decide to shut it down and you're out. Whereas if I have the, you know, the physical media, you know, like the figures and the comic books, I just prefer something that I can hold in my hand. Something Tangible. [00:27:50] Speaker B: I liked the physical video game discs because you always knew when shit was about to go down because the. The fan kicked on real loud and it was like, oh, shit. Oh, shit. It's doing a lot of thinking. [00:28:02] Speaker A: Oh, my God, my Xbox 360, like, with the end of its lifetime. It sounds like a rocket taking off. [00:28:07] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:28:08] Speaker A: You, like, put in Grand Theft Auto 5 and it would just almost blow up. [00:28:12] Speaker C: Yeah. My son's PS4 was doing that until I finally got on YouTube and saw how to dismantle it to get down to the fan and clean it. It literally sounded like a jet taking off. I'm like, good Lord. [00:28:22] Speaker A: So was it super dusty inside? [00:28:24] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah. The fan, it does that because the fan just collects dust. [00:28:29] Speaker A: Yeah. I think I fixed my Xbox by, like, ripping it open. I had to, like. I completely got rid of the warranty, but it was just literally, like. It was pretty hollow on the inside, except for, like, the circuitry, but it was full of dust. [00:28:42] Speaker B: Oh, man. Well, I mean, it's essentially what it is. It sucks in all that dust from the. The part of your house you don't clean because it's behind stuff. [00:28:51] Speaker A: Behind the TV is a dusty, dusty area. [00:28:53] Speaker B: I'm very pro media when it comes to books. I could waste an entire weekend just, like, going to used bookstores, being, like, got the stack of books here. [00:29:02] Speaker A: I find it hard to read stuff digitally. Even books. I prefer, like, a real book. [00:29:06] Speaker B: Yeah, me too. [00:29:07] Speaker A: I don't. I have a Kindle, but I just never really. [00:29:10] Speaker B: I like. I like fiddling with it. I like being like, how far am I. How far to the next chapter? [00:29:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:16] Speaker B: Like. [00:29:16] Speaker C: Like you want something to hold something to. [00:29:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Physically feeling the weight go from one side to the other is so satisfying. Like, you can tell when you've tipped, like, just over halfway through the book, and it's like, it's all downhill from here. [00:29:28] Speaker A: Yeah. And you can get, like, stains on it like mine. I read it at Panera while I was eating some soup. That's true. [00:29:37] Speaker B: I like. I like getting a library book that has, like, weird food stains on it and being like, I wonder what this is exactly. [00:29:44] Speaker A: My biggest problem is I like ramen, and that's really messy food to read with. [00:29:49] Speaker C: So what I do is when I buy my books, and this goes for all the titles I buy, you know, get all the covers and then I get a reader copy. So I don't care what happens to that one. [00:29:59] Speaker A: Yeah, right. [00:30:00] Speaker B: I've. I've known a lot of people who like when they're finished reading a book, they want it to look like that book has never been opened. And I'm like, no, no, man. I want you to see what happened to my life while I was reading that book. [00:30:14] Speaker C: What you went through while reading this. [00:30:15] Speaker B: Yeah, every single, like, page crease and dent has a. Has a story. But the story we're actually focusing on is this man riding his horse by himself through the valley. Telling us some of the. A little bit of background, that he's got a tough road ahead of him and he's got a lot of shit in his past. And that's all we know about him. [00:30:40] Speaker C: Yeah, very little. [00:30:41] Speaker B: And he comes across a burning wagon and some. Some hooligans threatening a young couple. [00:30:49] Speaker A: Yep. That's where their money. And they're like, we gave you everything. [00:30:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:53] Speaker A: When it comes to currency, everyone lies. [00:30:55] Speaker B: Yeah. And then we get the first of what is, like, the default setting for attacks in this book, which is pistol whipping. Although I guess in this. This case, it would be a rifle whipping. So many people getting hit with gun butts in this. In this book, Johnny, it's gonna happen. [00:31:14] Speaker A: Everyone's got a gun and they don't. [00:31:16] Speaker B: Get those quick reloadings, so they gotta only shoot if you only shoot if it's necessary. [00:31:21] Speaker A: And our blue, Our man in blue, our hero, our man with no name, in his poncho. [00:31:25] Speaker B: Yeah. He just rides in, guns blazing, just gets them all. Gets all those. Gets all those ruffians. He tells the young couple to go and don't look back, and they could put all this behind them and start a new life together. And then the young lady's like, would you like this crucifix to help protect you from evil? He says, I think, thank you, but I protect myself. Which is very, very Javi as we know him. [00:31:52] Speaker A: Yes, Javi, the entity within Javi, whose name we don't know. [00:31:56] Speaker B: And he says that his name is nobody. So I guess we can start referring. Referring to him. [00:31:59] Speaker A: Oh, he says Rey Skywalker. No, he says nobody. [00:32:06] Speaker B: And then we do another time jump to Gunnison today, and we are transported directly into, like, the story of Javi from issue 14. It comes here because issue 14 starts with basically this whole scene, I guess, really it's the end of 13 and the beginning of 14. Because the end of 13 is they're coming out of the bar and they stumble across the young couple, and that guy's like, hey, it's actually looking pretty good outside. And then she slaps him, and then they don't shoot the husband in gunslinger. They just rifle butt him again. [00:32:51] Speaker A: Well, this one, they definitely shoot this jaw. [00:32:54] Speaker B: Yeah. They like shoot his head in half, basically. [00:32:57] Speaker A: Basically, yeah. Real gnarly. That guy's looking like the. Got him looking like the devil when he's shooting. [00:33:03] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, man, he is. He is pleased with that. And then we get the entity known as Javi killing a guy with a knife to the head, which happens. And then says, where I come from, you never make a lady ask twice. [00:33:18] Speaker A: We get this great hero shot. [00:33:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:21] Speaker A: With the poncho thrown back. He's got, of course, his knives. [00:33:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:27] Speaker A: And everyone's just kind of watching everyone down. Just like, holy shit. Watching. [00:33:30] Speaker B: Could you imagine living in the old west times just being like, ah, there's another dust up going on outside. You want to go see? [00:33:36] Speaker C: Nah, I saw last week, now some yesterday. [00:33:40] Speaker A: Yeah. And one of the guys he throws the knives at has a. The classic Back to the Future Part three slash. [00:33:48] Speaker B: Or the classic. The classic Ned Kelly minus the. The hat. [00:33:54] Speaker A: What does Ned Kelly do? [00:33:56] Speaker B: Ned Kelly, he was. He was basically like a Australian Robin Hood type. Got a lot of liberating money from rich people to spread it around. And he. They developed a set of armor just out of steel plates, kind of like this. And they used it. [00:34:16] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The. The old. [00:34:19] Speaker B: It's a good movie. It's got dead. It's got a old Heath Ledger in it, and Orlando Bloom. It's good. I actually have it on dvd. [00:34:27] Speaker A: What? And you can't even watch it. [00:34:29] Speaker B: I've got a DVD player, though. I still have a Blu Ray player. It's the same DVD player I bought. [00:34:37] Speaker A: So work still works. [00:34:39] Speaker B: It still works. [00:34:41] Speaker A: I bought a 4K player recently. [00:34:43] Speaker B: Oh, nice. [00:34:44] Speaker A: Because I wanted to start getting into 4K and then let me tell you. Well, they look pretty good. [00:34:51] Speaker B: That. That is. It sounds like you're very much on the path to 40k, Johnny. And then nobody will ever see you. [00:34:58] Speaker A: No, I'll just be sucked into the movie. [00:35:00] Speaker B: Gonna get. You're gonna get. You're gonna get so hard into the miniatures and the painting. [00:35:05] Speaker A: You'd think there wouldn't be that much of a difference between 4K and Blu Ray. But the real big difference is, like, how dark and, like, rich. Like the blacks are in 4K. Like, the dark colors are so dark. It's crazy. I don't know how to describe it. [00:35:18] Speaker B: But I. I can get that. Because. Because a lot of times it's easier to save some memory. You can just be like, this is blank. We're not gonna, we're not gonna bother rendering the blacks. But if you actually render the blacks, it takes a lot of, a lot of work. So. [00:35:31] Speaker A: But they, they look, they look very nice. [00:35:33] Speaker B: Nice. But yes. So man has a steel plate and is like, haha, I punch you now. And punches our entity known as Javi. And then literally the exact same dialogue. Get this woman away from here. I'll deal with this bunch. Comes this woman away from here, I'll deal with this bunch. Directly from the Todd father. [00:35:53] Speaker A: That's crazy. I didn't even realize that. [00:35:54] Speaker B: Yeah, did you? [00:35:55] Speaker A: What made you think to go pick that up? You were just like, I wonder if this has happened before. [00:35:59] Speaker B: Well, I was like, I remember this, the story. I was wondering if like the, the text was the same because I was wondering why the Todd father didn't fight for additional script credit. [00:36:10] Speaker A: You probably. [00:36:11] Speaker C: His name's not enough stuff. [00:36:12] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. He probably. He's writing so much he forgot he wrote it and Jimmy Palmer just let it slide by. [00:36:20] Speaker B: Well, it's. It's done so like beat by beat that they definitely had to have given him these books and be like, here, get this in there somewhere. And some way. [00:36:29] Speaker A: Well, it's just always a fun. Like Roy McConville does it a lot when they take something that. From older continuity and bring it back in and make it important again. Like Rory McConville's really good at that. Shawn Lewis would do that sometimes. [00:36:43] Speaker B: Or specifically from that recent Rat City, the handheld video camera film of the original Spawn overt Kill Fight. [00:36:53] Speaker A: I love that. [00:36:54] Speaker B: That's very good. [00:36:55] Speaker A: Yeah. Nine just came out. [00:36:57] Speaker B: Oh man. [00:36:58] Speaker A: Right? [00:36:58] Speaker B: I think so. [00:37:00] Speaker A: I still haven't been by the comic shop after Christmas because I was out of town and then I just haven't. I don't think I went the week before either. I can't remember. [00:37:07] Speaker B: It's been a while time. It's been a while time. [00:37:10] Speaker A: It's been a while. A couple weeks. It's always. Everything ramps up around this time. For everyone listening, we're recording the Sunday after Christmas, so. [00:37:19] Speaker B: Oh yeah, it's been. It's been a week. [00:37:23] Speaker C: Yeah, definitely. [00:37:24] Speaker A: You travel for the holidays, Mark, or you just. You stayed at home? [00:37:27] Speaker C: No, I just. I just stuck around here. [00:37:29] Speaker A: That's good. [00:37:30] Speaker B: That's. That's the way I tend to do it too. It's great. Although the, the weather right now is the perfect knives out weather. It's very. It's very. I want to live in that knives house with the big sweaters and a cup of Tea. Because it's just raining. [00:37:46] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, it's raining here too. [00:37:48] Speaker B: Cold and rainy. [00:37:49] Speaker A: Not that cold, though, at least for this time of year. [00:37:52] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like surprisingly upper upper 30s. So it's not very cold, but cold enough to be. You know, you stare wistfully out the window watching the rain. Hot cup. [00:38:04] Speaker A: Hot cup of cocoa. Or tea. [00:38:06] Speaker B: Or tea, man. Maybe take a nap. But yes, then we get the brutal assault of the entity known as Javi of these guys, where they beat the crap out of him and then let him recover. Recover enough that he will have a very terrible time when he's pulled by the horse. So they tie him up to a horse, they have a little starter gun. They're like, blam. And the horse runs away. And that very much is exactly like the story here is he runs until the horse runs until it gets tired. And then it's like, oh, hey, I have a connection with this guy. I should probably stop dragging him, huh? And then they get approached by some wolves. [00:38:50] Speaker C: What I like about Jimmy's writing is like just some of the. [00:38:53] Speaker B: The quick. [00:38:53] Speaker C: Like the one liners where he says. Where the antistino's hobby says, I'm gonna kill you. And the guy says, sure you are. [00:39:00] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:39:01] Speaker C: So I mean, they do that like several times throughout the book. Just like the. The zingers are the. Like the comebacks. I like that. [00:39:07] Speaker B: Yeah, that's very. It's very good. He doesn't. It's. It's refreshing in a way because the Todd father, like me, oh, he loves a qualified statement. He can't just let something sit on its own merits. He's. He's like, we gotta. We gotta add something to it. We gotta put like an explanation in there. But just like that short little. You're not gonna get anything out of me unless you physically pull it from me with some pliers. That's kind of that old. It's very, very tied up in that. That western hero sort of. [00:39:42] Speaker A: No, I mean, it adds the art and just the writing really adds to the whole classic western feel, which I feel like maybe that's what some people wanted probably with gunslinger. And I know maybe some people might be disappointed that it took place in the modern times, but now you have this. You don't have to worry about it. [00:39:58] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It's a completely different flavor. It's an excellent flavor. But, yeah, I can. I can see thinking that a gunslinger in modern times is maybe a little hokey. [00:40:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:10] Speaker C: Yeah. Because he's just like completely out of place. Like. Yeah, there's no idea what's going on. [00:40:14] Speaker A: Like when they go to the, they go to the bank and he's dressed as gunslinger gear. [00:40:18] Speaker B: But hey, that just makes it that much more like the Dark Tower because then we got fucking Roland Deshain wandering around New York City missing, missing two fingers on one hand. And somebody's like, you just need some. [00:40:31] Speaker A: Tylenol aspirin or Pepsi. He likes Pepsi. So the wolves are coming after him. And this is when he doesn't make a deal with the devil. Something within him that has always been within him, I guess, manifests itself. [00:40:47] Speaker B: Yeah. And so it's sort of his, his animal nature and then just like the pure boiling fury inside of him that's associated with the killing of his sister kind of brings out what's there to the front. And a lot of, a lot of the actual, like transformation is the same in this and in the regular gunslinger, like meshed with flesh, second skin, etc. Etc. Etc. It's just much more concisely stated in Deadly Tales. [00:41:25] Speaker A: Yeah. They mesh with his rabid flesh, ravenous. [00:41:29] Speaker B: Flesh, but they do. Yeah. And there's the crows. [00:41:34] Speaker A: Bring him his great shot of the crows. Bringing the hat. I love. [00:41:37] Speaker B: That's very much, it's very much straight out of the Brett Booth there with the. [00:41:42] Speaker A: That's right. [00:41:44] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:41:45] Speaker C: One of the things that I like about the, about the Deadly Tale series is we're not going to have to. To look at the new mask in this one. [00:41:52] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:41:54] Speaker A: I do prefer the old mask. [00:41:55] Speaker C: I don't hate the new mask, but I much prefer this look. [00:41:59] Speaker B: Yeah, it's much. It's got more symmetry. I like the, I like the symmetry to it versus the sort of like Zorro esque. [00:42:10] Speaker C: Yeah, because I mean, Gunslinger changed it because he's like, I want to have my own identity. And that way they don't confuse us. I'm like, how are they going to confuse Al Simmons with this guy in a trench coat and a hat? [00:42:20] Speaker B: The tallest hat in existence. Yeah. [00:42:23] Speaker C: Like they're not going to confuse the two of you. So, I mean, definitely. Oh, and there's. And there's no dinosaurs. [00:42:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:30] Speaker A: Yes. [00:42:32] Speaker C: I don't know why Todd let him do that. [00:42:34] Speaker B: Oh, because he wanted to. Apparently. He wanted to draw dice. [00:42:38] Speaker C: Yeah, he wanted to draw dinosaurs. So he's like, yeah, go nuts. [00:42:40] Speaker B: And I'm like, I like the dinosaurs. [00:42:42] Speaker C: Oh, did you. I, to me, it. I understand this is all fake, it's all made up, but to me, the dinosaurs just took me out of the story. I'm like, that they just don't have a place there. And like, and we haven't even seen Dakota in a long time anyway, so. [00:42:56] Speaker B: That's true. [00:42:57] Speaker C: I mean, the only time we actually get a shot of a dinosaur is whenever he wants to get his horse out, which. That's cool. [00:43:03] Speaker B: I like the horse. Yeah, the flaming horse is awesome. Oh yeah. Another, another little fun tidbit about the original telling of this tale in Gunslingers 13 and 14. Johnny is. That's when we get the introduction to the Civil W, so. [00:43:18] Speaker A: Oh, nice. [00:43:18] Speaker B: The Civil W. I remember that there's. [00:43:21] Speaker A: An error in that issue where they. There's like a typing error instead of saying civil war just says civil W. And someone on Reddit was like, oh, great, they're going woke. They can't say war. It's like, no, it's just a typo, which is funny. [00:43:35] Speaker B: But yeah, so. So from this point on in the book, we can just throw away gunslingers 13 and 14. Because it's done. It's done, it's done. [00:43:45] Speaker A: And we just, we go beyond the pages of it. [00:43:48] Speaker B: We go beyond. And now gunslinger is holding somebody on the ground at pistol point, asking where Whitlock is, having just told his tale. Very, very Bond villain monologue there. [00:44:04] Speaker C: I could be wrong. I didn't go back and check, but I believe that this character here on this page is where Patrick said he inserted himself into the story. So this guy that's getting his butt kicked, I believe is supposed to be Patrick Reynolds. [00:44:20] Speaker A: Well, I mean, awesome. [00:44:21] Speaker C: Not him, but I mean, he drew himself in the book. [00:44:23] Speaker B: That's great. [00:44:24] Speaker A: That's cool. [00:44:25] Speaker C: So if I'm wrong, Patrick, jump in the comments and let me know. [00:44:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:29] Speaker B: And then, yeah, we get the, we get the, the pistol whip that. Oh boy, that could not feel good at all. I mean, in general, a pistol whip wouldn't feel good, but especially something as heavy as a, an old ass revolver. Not feel good. [00:44:44] Speaker A: Yeah. And it like just pops his head open like a watermelon and starts bleeding like crazy. [00:44:48] Speaker B: Yeah. And so he's getting the, the information about this, this woman that was taken by Whitlock and the crew. And once, you know, Javi's like, just tell me, just tell me all you know and I'm not gonna kill you. So the guy foolishly tells Javi all he knows. And so Javier is like, you know what? I'm not gonna kill you, but these wolves are here. Let me, let me shoot your knees really quick. And he's just Bam, bam. [00:45:13] Speaker C: Yeah, he didn't lie to him. [00:45:14] Speaker A: He didn't know then that would definitely hurt. [00:45:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:18] Speaker A: Double kneecatch. [00:45:19] Speaker B: Yeah, that. That little. That panel of just the bam, bam. It's very good one. It's a very good panel. [00:45:25] Speaker A: But, yeah, I mentioned this before. The only reason I know that about kneecaps in the gut is it's a line in Reservoir Dogs. So it could be completely untrue. [00:45:32] Speaker B: I mean, like. Like falling and hitting your knee or like somebody accidentally elbowing you in the stomach. Hurts enough that I can imagine that it's debilitating to be shot in either of those places. [00:45:44] Speaker C: Yeah, I've heard the gut shot is the most painful way to die. It's slow and agonizing and not. Not away you want to go. [00:45:51] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:45:52] Speaker A: As we learned in Reservoir Dogs. [00:45:54] Speaker C: I love that movie. [00:45:55] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, me too. Good movie, Mr. I was a big fan of Tim Roth and that. He's just so good and, like, he loses so much blood. There's so much blood. He's so pale by the end of it. But another. We get a shot much like another Tarantino movie, we get a shot at us. Like the Hateful Eight here. Yeah, it's just Cabin in the Snow. [00:46:15] Speaker B: It's just a farm in the middle of the. In the middle of the mountains, which. [00:46:19] Speaker A: I discovered this year. David is a Christmas movie. I don't remember if I told you this. [00:46:22] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, you've told me that a couple of times. [00:46:24] Speaker A: A couple times. I'm really proud of it. The Hateful Eight takes place at Christmas because one character says he's going home for Christmas, and then one character plays Silent Night on the piano. So if you ever want an alternative Christmas movie, you can watch the Hateful. [00:46:38] Speaker C: Eight or Die Hard, but, you know, people argue about that one. [00:46:42] Speaker A: Oh, it's a Christmas movie. [00:46:44] Speaker C: Yeah, the writer. The writer and directors have even said it's a Christmas movie, so I'm on their side. [00:46:49] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, it takes place at a Christmas party. Come on. Speaking of. Of alternative, did you watch Carry on at all this. This break, Johnny? No. [00:46:58] Speaker A: Did it take place at Christmas? [00:47:00] Speaker B: Yeah, it takes place on Christmas Eve. [00:47:01] Speaker A: If I would have known that, I. [00:47:02] Speaker B: Would have watched it. It's actually pretty good. It's. [00:47:05] Speaker C: Yes, I watched it. [00:47:06] Speaker B: It's fun. It's. It's fun. I feel like they dispatched of Jason Bateman in a much simpler way than they could have. It feels like they kind of ran out of steam near the end of the script. But enjoyable. [00:47:21] Speaker C: It's a fun time Yeah, I won't ruin it. But how, how could he have been so sure that that was airtight? Yeah, you know, I'm like, really? [00:47:29] Speaker B: Well, they had that big sticker on the side, right? [00:47:33] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm going to trust my life to a sticker. [00:47:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. [00:47:37] Speaker C: Yeah, it was, it was a, it was a pretty decent movie. [00:47:39] Speaker B: Yeah, it was fun. [00:47:40] Speaker A: I was flying this holiday season, David, so I didn't want to get freaked out. Well, yeah, I'm kidding. [00:47:46] Speaker B: I guess that's true. I mean, it's, it's fun that they're now bringing back terrorism on airplane movies. Like they're, they're not afraid to make them anymore, which is fun. [00:47:57] Speaker A: Yeah, that's true. I actually had a pretty good TSA experience when I went through in Chicago. They didn't make us take anything out of our bags or take our shoes off. I was like, all right, nice. But they did have the dogs, like you had to walk by. There was like a drug dog or I guess a bomb sniffing dog. Like they had to let him walk by you. [00:48:16] Speaker B: Interesting, Interesting. [00:48:17] Speaker C: Oh, speaking of TSA boncon, you know, out in Colorado was the first time I'd ever been on a plane, so. Got me on a plane. [00:48:24] Speaker B: Nice. [00:48:25] Speaker C: I wasn't afraid to. I just didn't really have any reason to fly anywhere. [00:48:28] Speaker A: Yeah, that's great. [00:48:29] Speaker B: That's not bad. That's not bad at all. Well, congratulations. [00:48:32] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm proud of myself. [00:48:35] Speaker A: Which one does Todd go to? He goes to San Diego. [00:48:37] Speaker B: Yeah, he goes to San Diego. He's been at New York the past couple of years too. He basically goes to New York and San Diego and then anything he can do in Canada, basically. [00:48:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:51] Speaker B: But. Yeah, so we, we come to the cabin and we see that it's two of the minions for Whitlock sitting around watching, watching this lady from earlier. And you know, I do believe, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe this guy on the left is the old freed from prison guy. Yes, yes. [00:49:12] Speaker A: He's got the scarf thing. Yeah, yeah. [00:49:15] Speaker C: He's talking about the deal. [00:49:17] Speaker B: Yeah. And they expect Whitlock any minute. And then Whitlock shows up with a posse, like, like a, like a straight up posse, Johnny. Look at that. [00:49:26] Speaker A: Yep. A sinister six, you would say. [00:49:29] Speaker B: Yeah, you could. And then the, the not. The not ex convict guy is like, that's, that's the sheriff. What the hell are you talking about? Go inside. Pete, shut up. [00:49:42] Speaker A: Give me a minute. [00:49:43] Speaker B: So then they have a, you know, a nice little conversation about this man and the job that he was hired to do. And, man, I think it's a testament to how up these guys lives are that this man literally watches this guy, who looks like a dead guy, kill a rat, feed it to his horse, and then takes that man's money and rides away. Like, what if I saw a man fiddling around with a rat and then killing it, I would be like, hold on a second. If he turns around and fed it to his horse, I would be like, excuse. Excuse me. I am going to the bathroom and never coming back. [00:50:21] Speaker A: I'm running away. [00:50:22] Speaker B: But, you know, his. This guy's job is done. So he's getting the second half of the money that he was promised at the beginning of the issue. [00:50:29] Speaker A: And while he's snapping that rat, what do we see on his neck there? [00:50:33] Speaker B: Yeah, he's got like a. It's got like a. An eyeball peeking out there. It looks. [00:50:37] Speaker A: Isn't that one of the symbols of the. [00:50:39] Speaker B: Yeah, the. The red eye, the Crimson King? [00:50:43] Speaker A: No, I thought. I thought it was one of the symbols of the bad guys. There's the curly thing. There's the cross. Curly thing that they carve on his chest. But I think the eye was something. [00:50:52] Speaker B: Might be. Might be also. But it's also. It's also. [00:50:56] Speaker A: It's also the mark of the Crimson King. [00:50:59] Speaker B: Then Whitlock is like, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go wait in the woods for Javi to show up. Or the entity known as Javi to show up. Gunslinger's there. He's. He's on a little outcropping. He. He's looking down into the valley at this little farm where all the bad guys are. And then he has a nice little, like, brief glimpse into his background that it's a whole bunch of stuff that we don't really know about yet. There's. There's some. There's obviously, Amy. There's the gift of his first knife, which. Oh, boy. For knife obsessive. Like. Like the entity known as Javi. He is. That has to have been a massive moment in his lifetime. [00:51:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:41] Speaker B: And then just some stuff that hopefully. I'm hoping that this is stuff that's going to be answered through the series. Like, what's this? [00:51:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:48] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, I'm sure it will. [00:51:49] Speaker A: Yeah. Because it looks like they get kidnapped, him and Amy. [00:51:53] Speaker B: This also looks like. Well. Well before the. The ultimate demise of Amy that we know about. So this is the. This is the shit before the shit. I guess that's the way to say It. [00:52:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Looks like they've had a pretty rough time of it. [00:52:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:07] Speaker C: Yeah. He wasn't able to protect her. He wasn't able to be there. [00:52:10] Speaker B: And then he's riding towards him. Johnny and Mark. [00:52:14] Speaker A: Indeed. [00:52:15] Speaker B: And then we. We get the little. The little bit of business about who's gonna do what for the first rounds and everything. And they send. They send a couple of guys out to be on patrol first, and one of them has the most. Most ludicrously sized cowboy hat I have ever seen. [00:52:34] Speaker C: I just noticed that that's huge. [00:52:38] Speaker B: Like, oh, boy. [00:52:40] Speaker A: Also, when the guy in the previous panel says they couldn't find him, maybe he was hiding the woods or maybe he was taking a crap. Are we sure the Todd father didn't put that in there? He loves the pot of humor. [00:52:51] Speaker B: I think he might have. I think he might have. It's. It's like the one thing that's tonally, that doesn't mesh tonally in the entire book. And it has to have been a. [00:53:02] Speaker C: Todd father thing in the gunslinger series. I don't remember the issue, but I know I made a post about it is they show when Javi's in the car with Linda, he's like, all right, let me out. And he goes over and stands on the side of the road and is peeing. And it's just the one panel of him standing on the side of the road taking a leak. And I'm like, oh, yeah. [00:53:18] Speaker B: Because the. The little sound effects is tinkle, tinkle. [00:53:21] Speaker C: Yeah, it says tinkle tickle. [00:53:22] Speaker B: Like, what? [00:53:23] Speaker C: But there's. And there's one other time that I think Javi goes to the bathroom. [00:53:27] Speaker A: Yeah. In the second or third issue, he, like, discovers the bathroom. [00:53:30] Speaker B: There's the one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's that. Then there's also, at one point, Taylor's on the bathroom or on the toilet playing an app game. And then Javi comes in, like, oh, and Taylor's like. [00:53:43] Speaker A: He was, like, playing on his phone, like, eating fried chicken on the toilet. I swear. [00:53:47] Speaker B: Oh, man. [00:53:48] Speaker A: Yeah. No, this is a lot of. You gotta. You gotta have the toilet reference in a gunslinger, I guess. [00:53:52] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:53:53] Speaker C: Which I'm waiting for him to come back. I want to know what I know. [00:53:55] Speaker A: Yeah, he'll have angel powers. We love Taylor. I do like Lyra. Or not Lyra, but I do like his new. I do like Linda. [00:54:04] Speaker B: I like Linda's fun. [00:54:06] Speaker C: She's a no, no nonsense kind of woman. [00:54:08] Speaker B: No, that's for sure. I like her car. Her car is great. VW Bug but so these two guys get sent out for first patrol, and I've decided that the guy with a big hat is just, you know, a full of bluster guy. Everybody knows the full bluster guy. Like, he's. He's okay, but not as good as his. His own personal story would leave you to believe. He is, yes, like, decent, but not great. But he thinks he's the shit, which is why he's got such a big hat, I think. But then, so these two guys start discussing, you know, they'll be like, what. What do you think the play for this enemy is going to be? What do you think they're going to do? And they both. They both set out two different scenarios that involves A, them being taken out quietly first and then either B, just setting fire to the whole cabin or, you know, trying to use surprise as much as possible to kill as many people at once, sort of guns blazing. [00:55:05] Speaker A: But the key point is that both of them say, yeah, they would start by sneaking up on them and killing them. [00:55:09] Speaker B: Funny how we agree on that first part though, right? And then the Javi just pops out of the shadows and is like. Right, and kills them both with knives. Yeah, he kills one with knives. Kills one with his fucking black metal bracelet that he's stabbing him with a knife. [00:55:22] Speaker A: No, he's like punching him in the face with his gauntlet. [00:55:24] Speaker C: Yeah, he's. Yeah, he's smacking him right in the face with the back of his arm. [00:55:28] Speaker A: Is that what it's called, a black metal bracelet? [00:55:29] Speaker B: Well, it's just like. Like those black metal guys who go out for the. The photo. Are you a big metal fan, Mark? [00:55:37] Speaker C: Yeah. Music wise? Yeah. [00:55:39] Speaker B: Okay. Are you. So do you know a lot of the nonsense that these guys get up to? I. I feel like I have to show Johnny a picture of this because I talk about him all the time. [00:55:48] Speaker C: No. [00:55:48] Speaker A: What kind of nonsense? [00:55:50] Speaker B: So, So a lot of. A lot of black metal groups like to get dressed up and just like ludicrous outfits and go out into snowy woods and have photo shoots of them standing like. Like with battle axes and corpse paint and everything. Let me find a good things like this. Like, look at this guy. Look at this guy right here. Look at how big that thing is. [00:56:12] Speaker A: Yeah, look at it. [00:56:14] Speaker B: What is that? What is that nonsense? Why is that so big? [00:56:17] Speaker C: That's a gunslinger gauntlet. [00:56:18] Speaker A: That's a gunslinger gauntlet right there. [00:56:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:21] Speaker A: You can go to the bank in that. [00:56:22] Speaker C: I say, I did go right before Christmas. I did. My daughter and I went to an ICP Concert. That was something. [00:56:31] Speaker A: I bet. [00:56:32] Speaker B: Nice. Those guys, there's. [00:56:34] Speaker C: It was. Great show. [00:56:35] Speaker B: Juggalo face paint has been found to be, like, one of the most effective tactics against facial recognition because it just throws everything violent. Violent J has started doing an Instagram post every couple of days where he's like, when I get to thinking, I get to being smart. And I say things like, indubitably. And that's the whole post. [00:56:59] Speaker A: I just got the Ghost, the band, the Ghost concert film on dvd, on Blu Ray. Speaking of bands with face makeup. [00:57:07] Speaker B: Nice. [00:57:08] Speaker A: It's really good. But, yeah, I've never. I've always. I've. ICP just puts on a great show. [00:57:13] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. I mean, it was a great show. [00:57:15] Speaker B: They've got a very dedicated following, man. [00:57:18] Speaker A: Was it your. Was it your idea to go, or was your daughter the one that wanted to go? [00:57:22] Speaker C: Honestly, she. I knew of icp, but I hadn't really listened to him. And just. Honestly, a few months ago, I started really listening to it. And then she says, oh, hey, they're doing a concert, you know, up in Columbus. And I'm like, okay. And she said, the tickets were, like, $53. And I'm like, okay, let's go. [00:57:40] Speaker B: That's amazing. [00:57:41] Speaker C: So, yeah, we were. But we were on the floor. Yeah, the fans get kind of rowdy. [00:57:46] Speaker B: Yeah, they. They do. [00:57:49] Speaker C: But no, it was still a great show. [00:57:50] Speaker B: That's good. That's good. Glad to hear they're still. Still out and about doing their thing, trying to get the Dark Carnival to come along. It's a fascinating. A fascinating mythology. It's actually incredible. [00:58:03] Speaker A: One thing I want to find out about a mythology is because I forgot to ask. And usually we ask at the beginning of the episode is, Mark, how did you get into Spawn originally? [00:58:13] Speaker C: My first introduction to Spawn was way back when I was, like, in high school. We had open lunch, and we were able to leave the high school because it was, like, located with, like, within the city. So me and a group of friends were walking to the local grocery store to get something to eat, and, like, laying on the ground, looked like somebody had just laid it. There was a copy of spawn, issue 10. I'm like, what is this? So I picked it up, I went through it, and, like, from there, I was hooked. [00:58:38] Speaker B: What a first issue of Spawn. Holy crap. [00:58:41] Speaker C: Yeah, I know. And I'm like, okay. So, you know, I went to the. There did happen to be a comic store in my town at the time, which is long gone. I started getting all the issues, and I got up to issue about. Right about 150. And then some things happened in my life, and I. I had a few figures at the time, and I basically. I essentially thought I lost my collection. And I was like, you know what? I said I'm not starting over. Well, several years later, my comics were returned to me, all issue one through 150. [00:59:11] Speaker A: Wow. [00:59:12] Speaker C: And I'm like. I kind of just let them sit there, and I'm like, there's no way I'm going to be able to get all these back issues. And then I went and kind of had the Spawn bug again. So I was on ebay, and I found a, like, the seven inch Wings of Redemption still in package for good price. So I bought that, and slowly it just started building. And I'm like, there is no way I'm going to be able to complete all these comics with 174 and 175 out there. So I just kept plugging away at it, saved up some money, and eventually got 174 and 175, which, whoever the guy is that was running my bid up on ebay. Thank you. He was trying to snipe me at the last second, and I kept. I kept hitting the button. So I got them, and it's just kind of taken off from there. I've got all the back issues. I'm reading all the current series. I. I don't have all the figures. [01:00:00] Speaker B: That's a big ass. All the. All the. All the figures. [01:00:03] Speaker C: Oh, God. I have over 300 figures in this room. But I'm a. I'm an inbox collector. Unless I really like it, and then I'll buy two so I can open one. [01:00:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:14] Speaker C: But, yeah, I don't pass up on a deal. Like, if I find an open one that's for a good price, I'll snag it. [01:00:19] Speaker A: Sure. [01:00:19] Speaker C: Yeah. That's pretty much my. My collection is just Spawn. [01:00:22] Speaker A: That's great. [01:00:24] Speaker B: So it's a great thing. It's a great thing to collect. Man, there's so much of it out there. [01:00:27] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. And I mean. Yeah, issue 10 is what started it for me. [01:00:31] Speaker B: That's. That's absolutely wild. [01:00:33] Speaker C: You know, the. The Dave Sims issue, that has nothing to do with the story. It's like, you know, like a dream. [01:00:39] Speaker A: Right? [01:00:40] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, if you're. If you're a hockey fan, there's a lot of it. A lot in there for you. He likes talking about those leaves. [01:00:48] Speaker A: I would respond. I bet you responded to the Art of Spawn. And, like, it's A cool issue, like, you know, especially back then, of, like, what it says about the industry and comic industry is cool and interesting at the time. So I can see, as some people in the show might know or not. I. Mine was Kingspawn. I always liked Spawn as a kid. I liked the movie. I had some of the toys. I was always, like, kept up and, like, looked at the toys. And I collected other McFarlane stuff, but King Spawn was the one that drugged me in. And then here we find ourselves. [01:01:20] Speaker B: That's nice. And Johnny is what got me back into Spawn. I piddled with it because it was something my mom wouldn't let me interact with as a child. And so when I was in my 20s, I was like, I'm doing all the things I couldn't when I was a kid. [01:01:32] Speaker C: It doesn't matter where you are in your collecting or when you jumped on board. I mean, we're all the same. We're all here for the same thing. [01:01:38] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a. It's a great. Oh, man, I love the Spawn community so much. [01:01:42] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Like, at the beginning, when I started, you know, rebuilding my collection, I was like, I was getting jealous of all these guys that I saw online. Like, man, you have such a big collection. But then I just told myself, I'm like, you didn't start when they did. [01:01:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:55] Speaker C: You know, you're rebuilding to so appreciate what you have. And I do. I. You know, I treasure everything that I have because, you know, it means something to me. [01:02:01] Speaker B: Yeah. Your collection should make you happy. Other people's collection shouldn't make you unhappy. [01:02:05] Speaker A: That's. [01:02:06] Speaker C: Oh, right. [01:02:07] Speaker B: That's a. That's a dangerous road to go down. [01:02:09] Speaker C: Oh, exactly. I was like, nope. You know, this is mine, and this is what I have, and I'm happy to share it with everybody. [01:02:15] Speaker B: Spawn is big enough that everybody can have their own little piece. [01:02:18] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:02:19] Speaker B: Nice. Yeah, I do like that. Johnny, we've talked a lot about leaving issues of Spawn around on the bus to try to get people to read it. It's good to know that somebody like Mark here got drawn in by the same tactic. [01:02:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:02:33] Speaker C: Yes, I did. I took your. I led by your example. And, like, here in town, they have, like, one of those little, like, I don't know what you call free libraries. Yep. [01:02:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:02:45] Speaker C: So every couple months, I was going down there and sticking copies of the reprint of issue one in there. [01:02:52] Speaker B: Nice. [01:02:52] Speaker A: Nice. [01:02:53] Speaker C: And every time I went back, they were gone. So. [01:02:55] Speaker B: Yep. Everyone that I've put in has been. Has gone. Don't know if they've been taken or removed. [01:03:02] Speaker C: Yeah. I went and bought like, a whole bundle for my comic shop, and I've just been passing them out to people like, here, check this out. [01:03:09] Speaker B: That's great. I always. I always have one for that church that has a free library in front of it. Johnny. I've put like, three issues so far in there, and they've all. [01:03:18] Speaker A: It doesn't just ignite on fire when you cross through the church grounds. [01:03:22] Speaker C: Yeah, the library just bursts into flames. [01:03:24] Speaker A: But that's. That's. That's pretty cool that your first issue that you read, you found on the ground. That's nuts. [01:03:29] Speaker C: It was. It was like. It was like Todd himself laid it there and said, here, read my. Read my comic. [01:03:34] Speaker A: Yeah. And it was cool that you had. You had open lunch, because they got rid of that by the time I was in high school. [01:03:39] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:03:40] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, I think I was. My class was the first class in my hometown that didn't get open. Open lunch. [01:03:48] Speaker C: That stinks. [01:03:49] Speaker A: I would have loved to be able to go to Wendy's. [01:03:51] Speaker B: Oh, man. There was a Brahms across the street from. From the high school my sister went to. That's where everybody went. I would have loved that. [01:03:59] Speaker A: Place was packed at lunch. [01:04:00] Speaker B: It had to have been, because the only other thing over there was. There was a Lowe's and a Staples. [01:04:06] Speaker A: Do they sell hot dogs inside the Lowe's? [01:04:08] Speaker B: No, no, this was a hot dog. Free Lowe's. Sorry. Regional fast food food chain talk there, Mark. [01:04:16] Speaker C: Except for Brahms. [01:04:18] Speaker B: Yeah, for Brahms. [01:04:19] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah, we. We don't have that here. [01:04:21] Speaker B: Yeah, it. They only. So the factory, like, where they process all their dairy. It has to be. You can only be one day's truck drive away from that factory to receive their product. So it's a very kind of tightly localized, good stuff in the middle of the country. It's delicious, though. If you ever see a Brahm, stop in and get one. Okay, I definitely will. And hamburgers. [01:04:47] Speaker A: Well, we. Back to the gunslinger. [01:04:49] Speaker C: Yes. [01:04:50] Speaker A: He kills these two guys, gauntlets to the face, and then he just busts in the cabin. Guns and poison. [01:04:55] Speaker B: He went with the. He went for the second option. That was floated. [01:04:59] Speaker A: Yep. [01:04:59] Speaker B: Hoping on the surprise and his skill to take him all the way. [01:05:04] Speaker A: I'd say he does pretty damn well. [01:05:05] Speaker B: He does really good, man. [01:05:07] Speaker A: Speaking of Reservoir Dogs, he shoots a guy's ear off. [01:05:10] Speaker B: Yeah. He shoots a guy's head in half. [01:05:13] Speaker A: Yeah. Shoots a guy through a bottle, through his neck. [01:05:16] Speaker B: Oh, man. He shoots the. He shoots the ropes so the lady can get out of the chair. He does one of those huts and avoids getting shot by one guy. And so one bad guy accidentally shoots another bad guy. It's one of my favorite kind of kills. [01:05:32] Speaker A: That's a great panel where he's just hooping out of the way. [01:05:34] Speaker B: Yeah. He shoots another guy right in the forehead. And then the last guy, one of the last guys gets the draw on him. And so Javi shoots the gun out of his hand. Holy crap. [01:05:44] Speaker A: His hand just explodes a million pieces. [01:05:47] Speaker C: Yeah. Shoots his fingers off. [01:05:48] Speaker B: Oh, boy. [01:05:49] Speaker A: Oof. [01:05:50] Speaker B: I don't. I don't like that, Johnny. I like my fingers where they are, thank you very much. [01:05:54] Speaker A: They shoot a guy's fingers off and bone Tomahawk. It's pretty gnarly. [01:05:57] Speaker B: I mean, they. They do a lot of things to a lot of parts in Bon Tomahawk. [01:06:02] Speaker A: Yeah, that's true. That's just like. Oof. And then the next panel, you can see the hand all mangled with the fingers sitting there. [01:06:09] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:06:10] Speaker A: So gnarly. [01:06:11] Speaker B: Who in the hell are you? Yes. [01:06:14] Speaker A: And then we got our opening quote. [01:06:16] Speaker B: Opening reading. Yes. And I like. I do like that. The tearing away of the symbiote to reveal his. His eyes is what happens. And which one is it? He does it to the fat guy who's. Who's mean to his wife and asks for some beer and cake. [01:06:35] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. [01:06:36] Speaker B: He. He does the same reveal to that guy, only with 100% fewer fat jokes in Deadly Tales here. [01:06:42] Speaker A: Yes. No room for that in this issue, because the Todd father's not writing it. Yeah, but, yeah, he reveals himself to the guy and tells him yes. How is this possible? He says, you can ask the devil. [01:06:55] Speaker B: Shoots. [01:06:55] Speaker A: Boom. [01:06:56] Speaker B: Shoots. [01:06:57] Speaker A: Shoots him right in the face. Yeah, it's just chaos. He went in there and he did it. He killed them all. [01:07:02] Speaker B: Yeah, he's kind of. Kind of seems like he's going on autopilot. Like the. That he's in terrible pain, but he can't feel it. Or he's trying to ignore feeling it because he's got to stay focused on the task at hand. And it's just like. Like, ah. I couldn't imagine being in that state. He takes. Takes the little pouch of money that the dude just got from old Whitlock. He's just like, this isn't gonna yoink. [01:07:28] Speaker A: Because we know Javi's got money, so he's got to start amassing his fortune somehow. [01:07:31] Speaker B: Yeah, true, true, true. Well, he's got. He's got. He's got, like, gold Bars. So he's got a. [01:07:39] Speaker A: He's got. [01:07:40] Speaker B: He's got. He's got a little ways to go from some coins to gold bars. [01:07:43] Speaker A: He'll get there. [01:07:45] Speaker B: He's also got to buy all those guns that he can bury, too. That's a high priority there. [01:07:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:07:51] Speaker C: Yeah. But during all that gunfire, she managed to come out without a scratch. [01:07:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [01:07:56] Speaker A: That's just how good Javi is. [01:07:58] Speaker C: Yeah, but, I mean, the other guy. Well, they're supposed to be trained, so. Yeah. [01:08:02] Speaker B: Yeah. If this were. If this were written by What's. His head was married to Madonna, if this were a fucking Guy Ritchie movie instead of a Jimmy Palmiotti production, they would be like, okay, lady, let's go. And then it'd be like, a lady. [01:08:18] Speaker A: Oh, well, she doesn't make it very long. That's kind of what happens, David. [01:08:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, that is kind of what happens, but not in the funny way. In the tragic way it happens. If it were a Guy Ritchie, it would be in the funny way, right? [01:08:34] Speaker A: No, this is tragic because you think you're getting away. [01:08:36] Speaker B: Yeah. They're on the horse and they're. You know, this is like some Ichabod Crane territory in the dark trees, and the evil man at the end of the opening or the clearing, he just shoots her right in the head. Just shoots her. Old Whitlock. [01:08:54] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. It's a little. I forgot this happened as we read it. It's a little shocking because you think they're really. I really was like, oh, they're gonna get away. Yay. [01:09:01] Speaker B: Yeah. And he's got his little. He's got his little lever lock rifle, so he can reload pretty quickly there. But he really. He really likes when he gets to cut them down when they. They've got the hope. Like, their hopes are up, and they're like, we're gonna make it. We're gonna live. He likes to snatch it away at the last second. [01:09:20] Speaker C: At first, I couldn't believe that after all that, she just takes a bullet to the head. You know, after he says, stay behind me and don't move. You know, she's. She's gone. But she has to die to further along the, you know, the essence or spirit of Javi, you know, his story. [01:09:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:36] Speaker C: To make him who he is. So, I mean, she was just a. She was just a pawn in this game. [01:09:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:42] Speaker C: She didn't have a chance. [01:09:43] Speaker B: I mean, he's literally saved her three times now. [01:09:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:09:46] Speaker B: And that's. Man, it's like. It's like deda yelling at Eddie when she's like, I gotta keep. I gotta keep saving your. Your white ass. I think she calls him a honky, actually. [01:09:57] Speaker A: Nice. [01:09:57] Speaker B: Oh. [01:09:58] Speaker A: In the dark tower. [01:09:58] Speaker B: In the dark tower. Yeah. Yeah. Dead. A nitty in the dark tower. [01:10:03] Speaker A: So gunslinger, obviously is pissed. [01:10:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:06] Speaker A: And unleashes six shots. [01:10:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Just blam, blam, blam. All at once. And Whitlock's just standing there laughing and absorbing them all. Laughing, laughing, laughing. And then Javi's just standing there dumbfounded. And then Whitlock rips into two pieces. [01:10:21] Speaker A: Speaking of bone. Tomahawk. [01:10:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:10:24] Speaker B: And then turns into tool. Two ghoulies. Like, it looks like something that. Like maybe the Predator's dog. These kind of look like the Predator's. [01:10:34] Speaker A: Dog a little bit. [01:10:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:36] Speaker C: Yeah. They definitely don't look friendly. [01:10:38] Speaker B: Yeah. They say, come on, boy. Let's see what you got. Then we get Javi eyes to. To be continued. [01:10:43] Speaker A: Javi's just like, oh, shit. Yeah. So a pretty great cliffhanger. I can't wait to see what happens next with. With these dudes. It'll be an epic battle in the forest, I'm sure. Yeah, it's gonna be tough for one battle, too, because he doesn't have his magic bullets yet. [01:10:57] Speaker B: Yeah, no, he doesn't. [01:10:58] Speaker A: So he's gonna be. It's gonna be a tough battle, but I can't wait to see it. [01:11:01] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. And he just. He just got his powers, so. [01:11:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:05] Speaker C: He doesn't really know how to use them or. Well, I would think that he doesn't. [01:11:08] Speaker A: Right. [01:11:08] Speaker B: Am I going crazy? Did they. Did they mention, like, in the text that he doesn't have his blood dipped bullets yet? Or was that. [01:11:16] Speaker A: Not in this one? That was earlier. That was in the flashback. [01:11:19] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that's right. Jesus. I shouldn't have read the flashback. Screwed me up. [01:11:25] Speaker A: It's the flashback where he fights that angel when he's in a coma. [01:11:27] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. That's the problem with reading all this spawn mark is that sometimes you forget where you are. It's just a. Oh, no, I. I. [01:11:38] Speaker C: Don'T disagree with you. Like I said, I'm reading all of the Spawn titles, so sometimes I have to go back and look at, you know, previous issues. I'm like, wait a minute. Which story was that in? [01:11:47] Speaker B: Do you have a. Do you have a current favorite Aside. [01:11:50] Speaker C: Okay. Aside from Spawn Kills every Spawn. [01:11:53] Speaker B: That's lovely. [01:11:53] Speaker C: That was. That was epic. [01:11:56] Speaker A: Yes. [01:11:56] Speaker C: I'm telling you, Todd, if you're listening to this, you need to do another. Another series with that. With Little Albert. That was. I loved it. Amazing. [01:12:05] Speaker A: So much fun. [01:12:06] Speaker C: John Layman and Rob Dunez, like, you nailed it. You killed it. I loved it. But it's over, so I still have to read that. [01:12:16] Speaker B: That's true. [01:12:16] Speaker C: Yeah. It's. [01:12:17] Speaker B: I won't. [01:12:18] Speaker C: I won't ruin it. [01:12:18] Speaker A: But I finished that one. It was great. [01:12:20] Speaker C: I'd have to say probably Rat City. [01:12:25] Speaker B: Excellent choice. [01:12:26] Speaker C: And then right after that would be the main title. Because of what's getting ready to happen. Not. Not just that the Todd father's coming back, but what's happening story wise. It's getting ready to. [01:12:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Main title has been so much fun. [01:12:40] Speaker A: I love that. That Lyra issue. Like this. The little side story about her life. [01:12:44] Speaker C: Oh, that was. That was awesome. But I so wanted that to be Angela and Spawn's daughter. [01:12:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. [01:12:50] Speaker C: But, you know, it turns out it wasn't. Yeah. I just can't believe, like, the team up that's getting ready to happen and what's actually getting ready to happen in the story. So I see why Todd's coming back on board. [01:12:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Although. Although Rory McConville's current 1 issue of King Spawn has been. [01:13:05] Speaker A: Oh, that was awesome. [01:13:06] Speaker B: It was so good. [01:13:07] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. I. I am enjoying all of them. The only one which I've. I've been vocal about, I did not care for was Monolith. [01:13:14] Speaker A: Oh, that was Monolith. Either. [01:13:17] Speaker C: It was just so rushed, and I didn't think the writing was very good. [01:13:21] Speaker B: A lot of potential. And it did live up to it. [01:13:24] Speaker C: It was just like, okay, here's a Monolith book. And I'm like, okay. [01:13:27] Speaker A: But I do, like, confused about his place in it all. [01:13:32] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [01:13:33] Speaker B: It was. It was almost like being in a vortex of Spawn in story form where you just don't know what's happening or what or when or where. [01:13:42] Speaker A: Why? [01:13:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:13:43] Speaker C: Yeah. But I do like what they've done with Monolith, like in the. In the Gunslinger series. [01:13:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:13:48] Speaker C: And I. I don't know. There's just so much. I like that. I'm glad that Overkill finally has lasted more than one page. You know, they haven't. They always kill him off. [01:13:59] Speaker A: I know. He's just like. It's like classic. He's like, Kenny. [01:14:02] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. He's like, oh, my God, you killed Overkill, you bastards. So I'm actually glad that he's getting, you know, some. Some time in the series. I don't know. There's just. [01:14:12] Speaker B: He's. He's starting to get a little sassy, too. Overkill. Maybe that's why they kill him so often. [01:14:17] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:14:18] Speaker B: Is that he starts to get sassy, and they're just like, man, fuck this. [01:14:22] Speaker A: Start over. [01:14:23] Speaker C: Yeah. They're like, okay, we need to reboot. We need to. We need to redo Overkill. I said the next title I'm excited for is the no Home Here. [01:14:30] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. [01:14:31] Speaker C: Which we're not getting until as of right now, it's February 5th, I believe. [01:14:36] Speaker B: Hey. Happy, happy day after my birthday to me. [01:14:40] Speaker C: Hey, there you go. [01:14:41] Speaker A: Hey, there you go. Yeah, that's good. It's a few weeks before my birthday. [01:14:45] Speaker B: Yeah, we're going to. We're going to have to. One of these days, we're going to have to have a Spawn spectacular birthday, like, President's Day style. Halfway between our birthday. [01:14:54] Speaker A: Okay. Make everyone come over, read Spawn. [01:14:56] Speaker B: At some. At some point, we can maybe rent out a theater and get them to play a 35 millimeter copy of 1997 spawn. And we just invite our friends come watch this. [01:15:08] Speaker A: Or. [01:15:08] Speaker C: Or maybe the Animated Series. That one was better. [01:15:11] Speaker A: Yeah, that. [01:15:12] Speaker B: That would be a longer reservation, and therefore, more money is. [01:15:15] Speaker C: Oh, okay. [01:15:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:16] Speaker C: True, true. [01:15:16] Speaker B: Okay. [01:15:17] Speaker C: Just the movie. You're right. We don't want to go. You don't want to go too crazy. [01:15:21] Speaker A: Yeah, well, we'll have to. We'll definitely go crazy whenever the. If. If and when King Spawn comes out. [01:15:27] Speaker C: I'm sorry, but I'm. I'm not holding my breath. Yeah, because Blumhouse assured us that we would have it in 2025, and now he said, no, it's not going to happen. Not in 2025. [01:15:38] Speaker A: Yeah, they're making that five nights at Freddy's money. [01:15:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:15:42] Speaker B: But, hey, so that pays the bills, Johnny. You can. You can. You can mess around a little bit. [01:15:47] Speaker A: When the bills get paid, it's their biggest grossing movie. Even more than get out. [01:15:51] Speaker B: The problem is that I saw the Nicolas Cage spoof version of it before they even made this one, because they made the Nick Cage one, like, five years ago. [01:16:01] Speaker A: Oh, like Wally's Wonderworld. [01:16:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I liked the Nick Cage one so much better. [01:16:06] Speaker C: Yeah, I. Yeah, I do like that one better. [01:16:09] Speaker A: Well, I heard that the one. The movie. I haven't seen it, but there's so much lore to Five Nights at Freddy's. And, like, if you don't understand all the lore and are obsessed with it, like, a lot of the people who play the games are, it's not as good, I guess. [01:16:21] Speaker B: I mean, it's. It's a good. It's a. It's a fine film. I enjoyed the hell out of it. I just liked the Nick Cage spoof version better. It had. It had a. It had a cleaner sort of. The lore behind it was cleaner. And also, you got to see Nick Cage be a weirdo. [01:16:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:16:38] Speaker B: Hey, who doesn't? [01:16:39] Speaker C: It said. I think I read that he improvised a bunch of the. The character. Like, it was his idea. The character wouldn't talk and, like, drinking all the soda. I think he. Even the dance wasn't in the script and he made that up. So. Yeah, it was definitely. I. I did like that one more. But I don't know much of anything about the. The Five Nights at Freddy's. Like, no backstory there. [01:17:03] Speaker A: No. I know my. My nephew is currently obsessed with one that's kind of like. It was called Poppy's Playtime. It's not quite Five Night at Freddy's, but it's pretty similar. But he. There's like. It has a whole deep lore as well. And like, that's. It's a kind of like creepypasta games, I guess. Like, you have to know all the lore and all that, man. [01:17:19] Speaker B: Remember. Remember the old creepypastas that had, like, the. The automatic scroll that would, like, take you all the way down to the bottom of the page to a scary face. Oh, man, those were so effective. [01:17:29] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:17:30] Speaker A: I just remember the YouTube videos that would pop out at you. [01:17:33] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Where they say, here, try this game. And they sat down to play it. Then it's a big scream and a flash on the screen. [01:17:39] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, those were the. I remember one that was Where's Waldo? That always used to get people. [01:17:44] Speaker B: That's the worst. [01:17:45] Speaker A: Yeah, it was like flash like Reagan from the Exorcist and scream at you. [01:17:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:17:50] Speaker B: Old ass, old ass Internet. Well, new generations, new stories, new you is not old ass Internet, Johnny. So they got that ad for the current new miniseries and ongoings is. And Deadly Tales of the Gunslinger is prominent right there, Johnny. [01:18:06] Speaker A: There it is. It replaced Misery. [01:18:09] Speaker B: We got the Image Classics ad. Got a new. A new toy ad there, Johnny. [01:18:14] Speaker A: Yeah, UFC toys. [01:18:15] Speaker B: See fighters. [01:18:16] Speaker A: I'm not a big. I don't know much about ufc. [01:18:19] Speaker B: Me either. I. [01:18:20] Speaker A: Mark, are you a UFC guy? [01:18:22] Speaker C: No, I'm not really into that now. [01:18:24] Speaker B: I'm not a. I'm not. I'm not so much into violence, so. [01:18:27] Speaker A: I don't know who any of these people are. So maybe that's Conor McGregor. [01:18:31] Speaker B: I'm assuming that's Conor McGregor, since it says McGregor across the middle of his. [01:18:35] Speaker A: Is it Ewan McGregor? [01:18:38] Speaker B: Hello there. [01:18:40] Speaker C: Logan statue on the next page, though. [01:18:43] Speaker B: Oh, man. As soon as I saw that, I went to go look up the pre order and it is 500. [01:18:48] Speaker C: It's. It's 449. [01:18:52] Speaker B: I was so. I was so excited because I was like a small foot spawn. Small foot. Oh, no, no. [01:18:58] Speaker C: I. [01:18:58] Speaker B: Thank you very much. [01:19:00] Speaker C: I'm working out a deal with my LCs. I. I don't have any statues, but I saw that one and I'm like, I have to have it. [01:19:06] Speaker B: So it looks. It looks amazing. [01:19:08] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. I mean, of the original cover. [01:19:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:19:11] Speaker C: Okay. I said, okay, I have to have this one. [01:19:13] Speaker A: No, it looks really cool. And on the back I like. I just like the detail. They have the branded. The branded number two. It's like it's branded in the wood. [01:19:20] Speaker B: Yeah, it's going to be. It's a tall hat on that. Coming up. One there on that. [01:19:25] Speaker A: Yeah, on the issue on the back, man. We'll have that in January. [01:19:29] Speaker B: Very exciting. So that's Deadly Tales of the Gunslinger Number one. And you know, much like Javi realizing that he has a connection with the wolves that are about to devour him, I would say he probably rates those pretty. Those puppies pretty high once they decided to not eat him. So it's time to rate the puppies. [01:19:51] Speaker A: It's time to rate the puppies. So that's right. Today we just had one issue, Gunslinger Deadly Tales. The Gunslinger number one. I guess I'll start. I mean, I'm gonna give it five. Five fingers blown off your hand is my five out of five. But I mean, like we said, the art's great. It really evokes that western feel like an old pulpy western magazine. And the dialogue and just the pacing of the story really adds to that. So, you know, Palmiani and Reynolds did a great job. Knocked it out of the park. And it's cool how it retells the story from another perspective a little bit. And just seeing Gunslinger in his element, which always my favorite, some of my favorite parts of the main series, and just getting a whole book of that just feels so lucky. And it's 37 pages for 3.99. You can't beat it. [01:20:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:20:45] Speaker A: Yeah. It's a great, great western story done in a great western style. I think it's a great entry point for people, which is nice. Like, it's a great way to get people into Spawn, probably. So that's good. You have so many issues, Mark. You can. You can Give them all out. [01:20:59] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, I, I, I have, I have plenty to give away. I, I don't plan on selling them. But one thing that I have done, you know, as you know, I'm tiny Spawny over on Instagram. I have reached out to Jimmy and to Patrick, and I'm working on through the mail getting a couple issues signed by both of them. One for me and one that I'm going to use for, to do as a giveaway on my page. So be on the lookout for that. [01:21:24] Speaker A: Oh, definitely. And you have. I don't know if you can. Well, I guess I don't want to interrupt. We'll go back to the reviews. Well, I just a thought because you have a. I saw you post Instagram. You have a project of your own coming up. Are you too early to talk about or do you want to. [01:21:38] Speaker C: No, no, that's fine. I've been toying around with it for a while because I've noticed, like, you know, on YouTube, there's spawn content, but there's not consistent, like a consistent amount or enough of it. [01:21:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:21:52] Speaker C: So what I thought I would do is I was going to start my own channel. I was going to just not do a deep dive like you guys do. I was just going to, you know, talk about the new issues each week, you know, go over some of the older toys, hopefully, you know, and the newer toys as they come out. Sorry, they're not toys, they're action figures. [01:22:11] Speaker A: Figures. [01:22:13] Speaker C: Says on the box, not a toy. It does, you know, talk about anything Spawn related. Hopefully one day be able to do like, you know, I can get Todd and Thomas Healy and others on or, you know, anybody in the community on, you know, for interviews. Just like one place, like a central hub for Spawn. That's what my goal is. [01:22:31] Speaker B: If you had made that, awesome. If you had made that three years ago, we wouldn't be here right now. [01:22:37] Speaker C: No, I'm not stepping on, I'm not stepping on anybody's toes. I'm gonna, it's just gonna be, you know, here's the new issues. [01:22:43] Speaker A: You know, well, YouTube check out idea and you got so many of the old toys to show off and. Oh, yeah, you're right. There's, there's, there's a couple of people that do Spawn stuff, but not. They're talking about the new issues. And that's one thing I really connected with you at Spawn Con is like, you're complaining about how so many people in the, like, the collectors are on the, on Reddit. They don't talk about the content of the issue. They just want to show. [01:23:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:04] Speaker C: They don't. And I've tried. Sorry. I mean, I've tried so many times to get conversations going. It's like, oh, my God, what you guys think of this last issue? And it's like crickets, right? But everybody wants to show up. Like, oh, look what I got. I got this, and I got that. I'm like, okay, what'd you think of the story? [01:23:19] Speaker A: What? [01:23:20] Speaker B: I got a cover. [01:23:21] Speaker C: I'm like, okay. Well, I'd like to be able to, you know, have a place to discuss it and, you know, talk about it and. Yeah, and I'm not saying that anybody, you know, out there that's, you know, doing anything on YouTube is. Is doing a bad job. I watch all your content, but I just wanted a central hub, you know, to where talk about everything. [01:23:37] Speaker A: That's great. [01:23:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:38] Speaker C: So, yeah, that's what my plan is. [01:23:39] Speaker A: Well, you already got two subscribers right here, so. [01:23:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:42] Speaker C: Sweet. I'm off to a good start. [01:23:44] Speaker A: Yeah. Do you have a. Like, a window, a date you're aiming for to start? [01:23:48] Speaker C: I just figured after the first of. [01:23:49] Speaker A: The year, let the holidays calm down a bit. [01:23:51] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, once, you know, everybody's done with the holidays, everybody's had, you know, time to recoup, then I thought I would, you know, try to get it out there. [01:23:58] Speaker B: Nice. That's excellent. [01:24:00] Speaker C: I'm just, you know, kind of playing around with this setup, and I. I have no idea what I'm doing, so. [01:24:05] Speaker A: Hey, hey, neither do we. [01:24:06] Speaker B: Yo, yo. [01:24:07] Speaker C: You guys are doing a fine job. [01:24:08] Speaker B: So you'll find what works. [01:24:09] Speaker A: Well, yeah, you'll just start, and then the hardest part is just starting. And, like, eventually you'll look back at your first episodes and be like, oh, my God, that's unwatchable compared to what I'm doing now. But you just have to start, or else you never will, you know? [01:24:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:24:21] Speaker C: And that's. That's what I'm doing. I'm. I've been talking about it for a while, and finally I said, you know what? I said, let's do it. So I started piecing all this together here, and. And we'll see where it goes. [01:24:30] Speaker B: That's the. That's the Todd McFarlane way of doing it. It's just like, yeah, just do it. [01:24:37] Speaker C: That's one of the motivators, you know, because he's always like, you don't know unless you try. [01:24:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:24:41] Speaker C: So he should. That's what I'm doing. [01:24:43] Speaker B: Definitely get on the motivational speaking Circuit. [01:24:45] Speaker C: Oh, definitely. He can. He's definitely a salesman. He definitely could. [01:24:49] Speaker B: He could take some, some time off from promoting books and action figures and be like the next what's his face. Not Tim Robbins. [01:25:00] Speaker A: Tony Powers. [01:25:01] Speaker B: Tony. Tony. Yeah, Tony. [01:25:03] Speaker A: Tony Robbins. [01:25:04] Speaker B: Tony Robbins. [01:25:04] Speaker C: Yeah, Tony Robbins. [01:25:06] Speaker A: Well, anyway, back to my review. Yes. Five out of five fingers blown off. I loved it. [01:25:11] Speaker B: That's the max number of fingers you can get from each hand. [01:25:13] Speaker A: That's the max. That's the max number of fingers. I just, I can't wait for the next issue. This is really skyrocketed up to, like. I mean, it's just the first issue, but I'm really looking forward to the next one. And it's become one of. It's definitely something that's hitting me in what I was looking for with a gunslinger book that even though I like other gunslinger, this is kind of what I was maybe hoping for from the get go. So I'm really happy to have it. It. David, what do you think? [01:25:40] Speaker B: Do you want to go second, or would you like to review third? Mark? [01:25:43] Speaker C: Oh, no, I'm good. I'll go now. I gotta say, I, I've been waiting for this book ever since I'd say Thomas Healey. I think what the first time I heard about it was when he announced it at spawncon. And I've been waiting for this thing to come out and, you know, it finally dropped. And I was, I was taken a little back because I was expecting Jeremy Winston, which is not. So once I've read it again, I, I love it. So, I mean, I, I'm assuming that this is, you know, Retcon or Jeremy Winston's still out there somewhere. We just haven't seen him. But this is not him for anybody that's going to read it. I love the artwork. I think Jimmy and Patrick, I think they work great together. The story's great. I was not disappointed. I, I was just, you know, like I said, taken aback because it wasn't Jeremy. [01:26:39] Speaker A: Yeah, I thought I was gonna go into that too, because I, I, that's. [01:26:42] Speaker C: What, that's what I thought. But, you know, after, after I read it again, you know, and realized it's not him. I really enjoyed it. So I would say I will give it five cans of beans. [01:26:54] Speaker A: Nice. [01:26:55] Speaker C: Yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed it, and I was not disappointed now that I know it's not Jeremy Winston. [01:27:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:27:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:27:01] Speaker B: Johnny. It just occurs to me that, remember when we started this journey, I was looking up stuff on Spawn.com and I read to you the, the Blurb about who Gunslinger Spawn was. And we were like, what the fuck is that? That's not what's fucking going on. I guess that was the original. [01:27:17] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the Jeremy Winston one. Because we were trying to figure out more info and we were like, what the hell? This is what's happening. [01:27:25] Speaker B: Oh, chain gang. If you ever. If you ever need a laugh, try reading the Spawn.com or Image.com excerpts about what an issue is when you're trying to read it. It's. It's often a fun time. [01:27:40] Speaker A: They're often very different than what happens in the issue. [01:27:44] Speaker C: I'd say a fun one is if they get pretty, like, kind of tongue in cheek in the. Like, you know, in the. For the previous issues in the new Violator. [01:27:54] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:27:55] Speaker C: I like the way they described the previous issues. [01:27:57] Speaker B: The. The new Violator, the new. The viol. The. The Violator. The Violator narration is quite sassy. And yeah, the Violator series, it's a. It's a great series. I'm enjoying it. [01:28:09] Speaker C: Oh, yes, it is. Yeah. [01:28:10] Speaker B: But, yes, as far as my review for this Johnny Mark, it should come as no surprise that I am going to give it five. Tall hats being flown in by crows. [01:28:24] Speaker A: Yes. [01:28:24] Speaker B: Which makes. [01:28:25] Speaker A: No, that means. David. [01:28:26] Speaker B: Yes. It's time for another entry into the Hellfire Club. Because we've all given it five. [01:28:33] Speaker A: All right. Another entry in the Hellfire Club. [01:28:36] Speaker B: But. But yeah, it's. It's. I mean, the story is amazing, the art is incredible. It's just a fun time. I mean, you sit down and you have some fun with it and. Oh, it's just beautiful. It's so well put together. [01:28:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:28:52] Speaker B: Not much else to say about it. [01:28:54] Speaker A: Not much else to say. Well, one thing else to say is that you should definitely follow Mark on Instagram. If you're not. If you're listening to the show, you probably are, but if you're not, it's at tinyswanee. You gotta keep an eye out for that giveaway. They're doing other giveaways. They got great posts every week, so just make sure to give them a follow. [01:29:15] Speaker C: Mm. [01:29:15] Speaker B: Are there any other social sites you want people to follow you on? Since we typically just do Instagram? Are you on Blue Sky? Are you on. Formerly known as Twitter? [01:29:27] Speaker A: Don't you run the Facebook group for Gunslinger? [01:29:29] Speaker C: Yes, I. I do run the Gunslinger fan page on Facebook and I mean, that's about it. I primarily just stick to the. To my Instagram account. I just like to do. Yeah, I. I just like to, you know, I like to do giveaways on there and interact with fans and. [01:29:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Interactive fans out there is Mark. [01:29:51] Speaker B: Eminently is Mark. [01:29:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:29:55] Speaker C: Yeah. And I didn't even start this page until I truly, like, start posting on it until, like, Spawn Con. That's when I really, you know, started, you know, getting out there and. And, you know, showing people what I had and interacting with the community. And so far, I mean, the feedback's been great and I've. I made a lot of friends from it. [01:30:12] Speaker B: It's a. It's a great community. We say it a lot, but we. We did not know what to expect with an online spawn community going into this and have just been completely dumbfounded at how amazing it has been. [01:30:25] Speaker C: Yeah, the Spawn munity, as you guys put it. [01:30:27] Speaker A: Yep, yep. [01:30:28] Speaker C: I think we've changed a great group of people. [01:30:30] Speaker B: Yeah, they're awesome. [01:30:32] Speaker A: So. Yeah. And while you're on Instagram following Mark, make sure to give us a follow. [01:30:36] Speaker B: Yes, indeed we are. [01:30:37] Speaker A: Regarding Swan Pod. We're posting episodes and having a good time. You can hit us up on there or you can hit us up at. Regarding SpawnPodmail.com this week, I just want to know if anyone wants to write in what your opinion of Gunslinger Deadly Tales number one was. Was it worth the wait? Were you disappointed? Were you excited like we were? Or how'd you feel about it? Just hit us up and we'll read it on air. [01:31:01] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. We've. We've actually got a previous read on air individual. Mark, with this day. [01:31:09] Speaker C: Yeah, they will read your email on air. Actually, the second one I forgot I even sent it. When you read it, I'm like, oh, wait, that's me. They will definitely read your emails, guys. So get on there and. But are you still offering stickers? [01:31:24] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. We'll send you stickers too, if you send us your address. [01:31:27] Speaker B: Stickers. I love stickers. They. They finally buffed over that one that I put on the bridge, Johnny, so I had to slap another one up. [01:31:34] Speaker A: Yeah, I haven't. I've been putting them up more. [01:31:36] Speaker B: Once a year they go by and they paint the. The poles on the. On the bridges across the Chicago river. And when they do that, you just got to put up a new sticker. I have seen some vial stickle stickers on those before, though. Oh, man. [01:31:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:31:52] Speaker B: The creativity and the just sheer ludicrousness of some of these stickers is insane. Art is good, Johnny. I don't know if you knew that. [01:32:02] Speaker A: Art is good. [01:32:03] Speaker B: Art is good. [01:32:03] Speaker A: We love art. [01:32:04] Speaker B: Yes, we do. Speaking of art, Johnny, that we love. We love exploring further into the wonderful art of spa. And so we should probably do that again in the near future. What do you say? [01:32:17] Speaker A: Let's do it. How about next week? What do you think? [01:32:19] Speaker B: Well, I'm thinking. I'm thinking we read a couple of issues. We've. We've had a good run of. We've had a good run of guests, but I think we should probably just do it old school style and just. Just us two. [01:32:31] Speaker A: Sounds good. The holidays are over. [01:32:32] Speaker B: Intimate fireside chats. We just. Yes, we could get the ASMR of a fire and clinking ice. Oh, man, that sounds so soothing. But anyway, why don't we read Gunslinger 36 and Scorch 34 for that one and we can have a good time. [01:32:49] Speaker A: Sounds good to me. I love scores. I love Gunslinger. [01:32:51] Speaker B: That's great. I mean, of course we love Gunslinger man. [01:32:53] Speaker A: Yep. [01:32:54] Speaker B: It's going to be. It's going to be real weird going between two different Gunslinger series and being like, now, wait, what is. What. [01:33:00] Speaker A: Where was I? Yeah. [01:33:02] Speaker B: Very excited about that. [01:33:04] Speaker A: Nice. [01:33:05] Speaker B: All right. Well, I mean. And unfortunately. Oh, yeah, unfortunately, this means that I have run out of things to say. Johnny and Mark. [01:33:15] Speaker C: It happens. [01:33:16] Speaker B: It's frequentlier and frequentlier. So that just leaves me with nothing to say. But Mark, Johnny, may the Scorched be with you. [01:33:26] Speaker A: And also with you, David. [01:33:28] Speaker C: And with both of you as well. [01:33:29] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [01:33:30] Speaker A: Hell yeah. Do you know any rumblings on Spawncon 2 that you can share or have you heard anything or. Is that not happening anytime soon? [01:33:39] Speaker C: The only thing that I. That I can say is Todd has. Has put his hat into the ring, so the original guys that put it on won't be doing it if it does happen. [01:33:54] Speaker A: Okay. [01:33:55] Speaker C: So I don't know. I don't know when that's. When that will happen, but as far as like, the Spawn con that we had, it won't be that one, so. [01:34:04] Speaker A: Oh, man. [01:34:05] Speaker B: So it'll be. It'll be Todd McFarlane's spawn con. [01:34:08] Speaker C: I. I'm assuming so. I was. I was told that I could say at least that much. That. [01:34:13] Speaker B: Interesting. [01:34:15] Speaker C: That's the only update I have as of now. It's not going to be, you know, the. The one put on with, you know, Jeff Monk and which Jeff Monk, if you didn't know, has finally gotten a cover on spawn issue 362 and he has the BNC cover, so. [01:34:35] Speaker A: Hell yeah. [01:34:36] Speaker C: I've already told him I'm getting multiple copies of that one. But, yeah, it's not going to be the same. The same. [01:34:41] Speaker A: They did such a good job. [01:34:42] Speaker C: Oh, it was. It was amazing. Like, I figured I'm either gonna go to this and it's gonna fail miserably and it'll be the last one, or I can say that I got to go to the first spawn con, so either way, I was gonna, you know, benefit from it. And I was blown away by what they were able to put together. It was such an amazing, intimate show, and I didn't even get to, you know, make it to all the tables because I was stopping and talking to so many of the artists, and I wasn't running around getting autographs like most people. I was getting to know the artist. So that was a lot of fun. [01:35:17] Speaker A: And you got a tattoo of the art you got at Swankon recently, didn't you? [01:35:22] Speaker C: Oh, yes, I did. [01:35:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:35:24] Speaker C: The piece that I had. [01:35:26] Speaker A: Oh, that's great. [01:35:27] Speaker C: Jonathan Glapion do for me. [01:35:28] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, man, look at this one. Look at it go. Oh, man, it's got the signature and everything. Man, John Clappian is doing such a good. Such a good job. [01:35:36] Speaker C: Yeah. I made sure when the. When the girl did the work for me, I said, well, wait. I said, make sure you get his signature on there. I said, we're giving him credit. [01:35:45] Speaker A: Yeah, that's great. [01:35:47] Speaker B: Now you can get him to sign it, and then you can go get his signature. [01:35:50] Speaker C: Yeah, have him sign my arm and then get that tattooed. [01:35:53] Speaker A: Have a double sign. [01:35:55] Speaker C: Yeah, there you go. [01:35:56] Speaker A: Well, sweet. Well, thanks so much for coming on. We really appreciate it. It was great having you. [01:36:01] Speaker C: Oh, it was awesome. I. I love your show every week. I love your. Your banter, and I'd be happy to come on again anytime. [01:36:07] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. We'll probably be happy to have you. [01:36:08] Speaker A: Got another guest lined up for issue two, but maybe like, three or four on the deadly tale. So we could have you back? [01:36:14] Speaker C: Oh, sure. Yeah. Just hit me up. I'll gladly come on and, you know, go over the issues with you. [01:36:21] Speaker A: Awesome. [01:36:21] Speaker B: It's very fun. It's very fun when we meet somebody who is more knowledgeable about things, because, I mean, you know way more about gunslinger than I know, because there's a big chunk of books that I haven't read, so it's always fun having an expert to talk to about things. [01:36:39] Speaker C: I don't know if I'm an expert. I just happen to be well versed in the gunslinger. He's. He's my guy. He's my. [01:36:44] Speaker B: Go to more versed than us. And I. It would be. It would be ill advised of us not to take advantage of all the learnings you've done already. [01:36:55] Speaker C: Well, I. I appreciate it. [01:36:57] Speaker A: Exactly. Well, looks like we'll see you soon, then. We'll see you on issue like four or something. We'll. We'll hit you up. And everyone just make sure to keep an eye out for the giveaways. And make sure to follow Mark, a tiny spawny, and keep spreading the good spawn word. [01:37:10] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:37:11] Speaker C: All right. Well, thanks for having me. [01:37:12] Speaker A: Yeah, of course. We'll see you soon. [01:37:14] Speaker B: See you, Mark. [01:37:18] Speaker C: See ya.