Episode 163 - Violator: Origins 6

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Behind that great facade, the American dream was just so much window dressing barely concealing a malignant rot that was consuming them from within. It was and is absolutely delightful to watch. Good evening and welcome to the Malibu. This is regarding Spawn, the world's best Spawn podcast. I am your co host, John Fisher. [00:00:59] Speaker B: And I am your co host, David Williams. And Johnny, we don't. We don't tend to reference the opening reading so. So soon, but the opening reading fit very, very thematically well with a movie I just watched this weekend. [00:01:14] Speaker A: What'd you watch? [00:01:15] Speaker B: It's just a small film by this young man named Marty called Wolf of Wall Street. [00:01:22] Speaker A: Oh, wow. I thought you were gonna say something new. The fucking Wolf of Wall street from like 2010, 2013. [00:01:30] Speaker B: I thought it was only like four years old. [00:01:32] Speaker A: Was it 2013? Did I get that right? That was a guess. That was a guess. [00:01:38] Speaker B: But like, like as you were reading it, I was like, holy, that was totally Leonardo DiCaprio in that whole movie. Yeah, that movie was a trip. [00:01:47] Speaker A: It's really good. [00:01:48] Speaker B: It's. It's good, but it makes me hate a lot of people. They are not nice people. [00:01:53] Speaker A: Who? [00:01:54] Speaker B: All the people in the movie. [00:01:55] Speaker A: Yeah, I know, they're terrible. [00:01:58] Speaker B: What are you talking about? Who? Like the only innocent person was the fucking baby. [00:02:04] Speaker A: Yeah, that's true. Introduce the world to Margot Robbie. [00:02:08] Speaker B: Thank you very much for that. With a Robbie. She's. She's Australian, right? [00:02:13] Speaker A: Yeah, I try to say it like I was Australian. Yeah, that's me trying to say yeah. As an Australian. [00:02:21] Speaker B: You call. You call that a. Yeah, that's the. [00:02:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:25] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Yeah. [00:02:28] Speaker A: Are you trying to do the accent or not? I can't tell. [00:02:30] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:02:30] Speaker A: I don'. [00:02:32] Speaker B: I hadn't made up my mind halfway through. I was hoping for the reference to Crocodile Dundee to make up for the bad Lindy. Hello. Just. [00:02:44] Speaker A: We love Australia, man. [00:02:46] Speaker B: I fucking love Australia, man. Some of. Not to get too blue too, too, too far up the top, but we've already mentioned Margot Robbie. Some of the hottest women in the planet in the movies, Johnny, coming from Australia. And by that I mean fucking Toni Collette is Australian. [00:03:05] Speaker A: For that you get a bonk. [00:03:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I deserve it. Thank you. [00:03:09] Speaker A: You get two bonks. [00:03:10] Speaker B: Two bonks. Margot Robbie and Toni Collette. [00:03:13] Speaker A: Yeah, Double bonk. [00:03:14] Speaker B: Right now it'll sound like the Law and Order theme. [00:03:19] Speaker A: I mean, Nicole Kidman. [00:03:21] Speaker B: Nicole Kidman. Oh, man. [00:03:23] Speaker A: Oh, Rose Byrne. I love Rose Byrne. [00:03:25] Speaker B: And their comedians are also raunchy and hilarious. [00:03:28] Speaker A: Roseburn is one of my favorites. [00:03:29] Speaker B: Rose Byrne's a good one. Australia has good creatives. [00:03:33] Speaker A: I don't know if Hugo Weaving is a good male Australian. [00:03:36] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Beautiful, man. Fucking. Fucking the entire cast of Xena Warrior Princess. So we got Carl Urban. Oh, Carl. [00:03:47] Speaker A: Bruce Campbell. [00:03:48] Speaker B: Except for Bruce Campbell. That's true. [00:03:51] Speaker A: No, that's New Zealand, you idiot. [00:03:53] Speaker B: Oh, they're. They're. They're. Oh, they are new. [00:03:55] Speaker A: They're in New Zealand. [00:03:57] Speaker B: Well, but I think. I think they pulled Australian actors too. [00:04:00] Speaker A: Yeah, but they were in New Zealand because Karl Maru is definitely from New Zealand. [00:04:04] Speaker B: Okay, well, New Zealand also. Also full of beautiful people. [00:04:08] Speaker A: I'm sure they don't get offended when you. [00:04:10] Speaker B: Yeah, they definitely don't. No, they definitely. [00:04:13] Speaker A: Sure they don't get offended at all when you confuse them. [00:04:15] Speaker B: No, never. No, never. My. My botany professor in college didn't like to sass people who thought he was New Zealand. He was like, oh, I sound like a Kiwi, do I? [00:04:26] Speaker A: Was he Australian? [00:04:27] Speaker B: Yeah, he was Australian. He was funny as hell. [00:04:30] Speaker A: There's little Kiwis on that island. It looks like every place on Earth. [00:04:36] Speaker B: Yeah, it's got a little bit of everything, but. Yeah, that. That boss Johnny Fun story about that boss. That was the. The lab that I worked with two people who had recently divorced from each other and don't ever do that. Don't ever. Don't ever work with two people who have just divorced each other. It doesn't go well. It makes work very awkward. [00:04:58] Speaker A: It sounds awful. Yeah, especially sounds like it shouldn't be allowed by management. [00:05:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, it shouldn't. It was very recent. [00:05:04] Speaker A: So will they try to be woke about it or something? [00:05:08] Speaker B: No, no, they were trying to be cool about it, but since. Yeah. [00:05:11] Speaker A: Woke about it. [00:05:12] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It did. It did not work. It did not woke. I guess you could. [00:05:17] Speaker A: Speaking of woke. Happy January 6th. [00:05:20] Speaker B: Oh, yes. [00:05:21] Speaker A: On January 6th. [00:05:22] Speaker B: Yes. [00:05:22] Speaker A: It's David's favorite day. [00:05:24] Speaker B: Yeah, Marty. [00:05:25] Speaker A: No, he was the shaman on the. On the pedestal. [00:05:28] Speaker B: He's. Because all my. [00:05:31] Speaker A: Because all the hair. [00:05:32] Speaker B: Yeah, I was also the. I was also the overweight guy who put my feet up on Nancy Pelosi's desk. [00:05:39] Speaker A: That was me. And don't you take that from me. [00:05:42] Speaker B: I guess your feet were tired, weren't they, Johnny? Huh? [00:05:44] Speaker A: Yeah, they were doing all that stomping around, pissed off all day, sharded. I was standing in the crowd watching Trump speak, and I thought I just had to fart. And I sharted myself. And so I was like, I'm gonna go sit in Nancy Pelosi's desk and rub it around. [00:06:01] Speaker B: I was gonna say your feet were hurting from skanking all day. You were? You're out there listening to the sky. [00:06:07] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:06:08] Speaker B: I mean, no. [00:06:11] Speaker A: My girlfriend's a big skyhead. [00:06:13] Speaker B: Oh. Hey. Nice. I. I know very little about ska. Okay. But I. I guess I know some, but I'm not really. [00:06:21] Speaker A: You knew about skanking? [00:06:22] Speaker B: I know about skank. And I know that. That there are three waves of ska. [00:06:26] Speaker A: I know that Ogo Boingo led me to ska. [00:06:29] Speaker B: Oh. [00:06:30] Speaker A: I mean, horns, David. [00:06:32] Speaker B: It is the horns. [00:06:33] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I gotta stop talking about Oygo Boingo. [00:06:34] Speaker B: I keep forgetting we talk. Well, I mean, Johnny, it is Mardi Gras season, so we can listen to all the horns. We want to. [00:06:41] Speaker A: All right. Happy. Happy. Epiphany, David. [00:06:43] Speaker B: Yes. Happy Epiphany. January 6th, event happening. Happy Twelfth Night. Happy. [00:06:49] Speaker A: The wise men arrived. [00:06:50] Speaker B: Yes. [00:06:50] Speaker A: Baby Jesus. [00:06:51] Speaker B: Yeah, they finally brought the baby Jesus. His little. His gifts. But he was like 12 years old or 7. Something like that. [00:06:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:06:59] Speaker B: If you can imagine. If you can imagine trying to cross a desert 2,000 years ago just. Just by the stars, it might take a little. Might take a little bit of time. [00:07:10] Speaker A: It might take a little bit of time. [00:07:12] Speaker B: If you can imagine what else it. [00:07:14] Speaker A: Takes a little bit of time. Enjoyable time is reading. [00:07:18] Speaker B: It's a good time. [00:07:19] Speaker A: An issue of Spawn. [00:07:21] Speaker B: Yes. [00:07:22] Speaker A: Spawn's universe. Because there's so many things that aren't Spawn that we cover. [00:07:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Because we were just. We were just. [00:07:27] Speaker A: We barely talk about Al Simmons anymore. Who is this Spawn man? [00:07:32] Speaker B: Albert Simmons. Albert. [00:07:35] Speaker A: Even his own book. He just kind of. [00:07:37] Speaker B: Yeah. He's. We gotta. We gotta learn about the elephant guy. What's his name? [00:07:44] Speaker A: Poacher. [00:07:45] Speaker B: Poacher. [00:07:46] Speaker A: We gotta learn, man. [00:07:47] Speaker B: We gotta learn about Taylor becoming a superhero. [00:07:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:07:51] Speaker B: We gotta learn about Sinback for that one panel. [00:07:54] Speaker A: Okay. That's gonna drive me. Sin came back for one panel. I'm like, are you kidding me? We are, like, months behind in the comics, so we may. [00:08:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:07] Speaker A: Something. [00:08:07] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, nobody said anything to us yet, so, I mean, that's fine. [00:08:12] Speaker A: It's true. [00:08:13] Speaker B: That's fine. We were. We were listeners. We were just flipping through the issues of things to read next time. We were like, oh, we haven't started that yet. Oh, we haven't started that yet. Oh, we haven't started that yet. [00:08:26] Speaker A: There's too much. It became. We started. We were like, oh, there's four. [00:08:30] Speaker B: Easy. Yeah. [00:08:31] Speaker A: There's like 20. [00:08:33] Speaker B: So many. But luckily, Christmas next year is on lock. We got. We got December 2026 completely covered. We know exactly what we're doing. [00:08:42] Speaker A: Exactly what we're doing. But what we're doing today and what we are today is respawn regarding Spawn. For each week, we bring you two issues from Spawn's universe. Except when we don't exactly. Today is a don't. [00:09:00] Speaker B: A don't. [00:09:02] Speaker A: Call the don't. Call. Avoid the noid. Avoid the noise. Call the Don't. That's my whole life, David. I'm avoiding the noid. The paranoid. [00:09:12] Speaker B: Dang. I bet that means you spent a lot of money on these, huh? [00:09:16] Speaker A: These what? [00:09:17] Speaker B: Nuts. [00:09:18] Speaker A: Oh, do you remember? It's a Don't we? [00:09:24] Speaker B: It is a don't we. [00:09:25] Speaker A: Do I remember what? [00:09:26] Speaker B: Oh, the. The meat and nut brand. Dietz and Watson made deets. Nuts for a while. [00:09:35] Speaker A: I don't remember that. [00:09:37] Speaker B: It was great. It was a great like three weeks. [00:09:39] Speaker A: I remember P.B. crisp. [00:09:41] Speaker B: Oh, P.B. crisps were fucking amazing. [00:09:43] Speaker A: They were so good. [00:09:45] Speaker B: So good. [00:09:47] Speaker A: They were like graham cracker shaped peanuts stuffed with peanut butter. [00:09:50] Speaker B: Yeah. And they had like the craziest like, like juxtaposition of textures, like all in one. [00:09:57] Speaker A: It was like. Oh, it was great. [00:09:59] Speaker B: It was like crispy than airy than gooey. Oh, boy. I have. I think about those twice a week. [00:10:04] Speaker A: I think about them a lot. I used to get. Always get PB Crisp. [00:10:06] Speaker B: They were real good. [00:10:07] Speaker A: Bring them back. Yeah, we're bringing back is a don't. It's a one issue week and we're starting off the new year with our newest episode with Violator Number six. [00:10:21] Speaker B: With the cheeriest issue of any comic book we could have ever chosen. [00:10:27] Speaker A: It's perfect. [00:10:28] Speaker B: Well, hey, Johnny, I think this will get us the. The 21 to 45 year old white woman demographic because there's a lot of serial killer talking here. So we're gonna have a lot new listeners. [00:10:42] Speaker A: Is that still going on? [00:10:43] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Oh no, it's still going on. [00:10:46] Speaker A: It just got to the base people. Because I only hail cool people, David. They're into all that shit like five years ago. Yeah, well, everyone's into it. [00:10:54] Speaker B: I. I work in a place where there is a constant influx of people who have just graduated from college. So yeah, that murder and serial killer podcasts are still a plus. [00:11:07] Speaker A: Everyone loves. Everyone loves the story. [00:11:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:11] Speaker A: And we love stories and we love the Violator miniseries. We are doing violator number six. Yeah, the final issue. [00:11:19] Speaker B: Six of six. [00:11:21] Speaker A: Violator colon origins. Colon 2025. [00:11:25] Speaker B: Colon number six. Number six. [00:11:28] Speaker A: It came out almost a year ago. February 2025. [00:11:31] Speaker B: Geez. Oh, Jesus. Jesus. Help me. [00:11:35] Speaker A: Jesus. [00:11:36] Speaker B: We are. We are old man. Johnny, I feel at least one year older than I did when I first read this. [00:11:43] Speaker A: I don't. Because I first read it two weeks ago. [00:11:49] Speaker B: I was pretty much up on this one as it was coming out. Because. [00:11:52] Speaker A: Because it wasn't. We weren't overwhelmed yet. [00:11:54] Speaker B: Yeah. And spoiler alert. I fucking loved this series. So. [00:11:57] Speaker A: It's very good. [00:11:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:59] Speaker A: My combo still smells good. Nice and fresh. [00:12:03] Speaker B: Smell that. Smell that ink. That thick paper. It's real good. It's real good paper. Speaking of ink and paper, Johnny, we gotta. We gotta look at some stuff, don't we? [00:12:15] Speaker A: Yes, supposedly. And we always start with covers. [00:12:18] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. It's the first. It's the easiest thing to see. [00:12:21] Speaker A: I have a cover. The Von Randall. [00:12:25] Speaker B: It's real good. It kind of. It kind of looks like the Violator wearing his horn as a party. A party hat. A little bit. Yeah. [00:12:32] Speaker A: It's like he's halfway through the metamorphosis between clown and violator. [00:12:36] Speaker B: Form fairness. It's a real good one. I have the B cover that is just the Fleabiac, you know, Spider Manning. Basically on the side of a building. Yeah. And it's got. It's got like angel gargoyles. I guess they would just be decorations. Angels aren't gargoyles. There's like a horn. There's a horn. And there's a sword and a violator. [00:13:01] Speaker A: Yes, sir. [00:13:01] Speaker B: That's real good. It's the Raymond Gay cover. I forgot to say the Raymond Gay cover be. [00:13:05] Speaker A: I love it. [00:13:06] Speaker B: It's a very sinewy fleab. Look at. Look, see, See all that. Like that senu. Like o he jeebies. It's like the exact opposite of Fat clown boy. Yeah. [00:13:20] Speaker A: Which we get a lot of in this issue. [00:13:21] Speaker B: Yeah. And we get the origin of the clown. [00:13:24] Speaker A: We do. [00:13:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:26] Speaker A: But before we get to that. [00:13:28] Speaker B: Yes. [00:13:29] Speaker A: We gotta give credit where credit is due. [00:13:32] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:13:33] Speaker A: We got script plot by Marc Andraco, pencils by Vaughn Randall. [00:13:38] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. [00:13:39] Speaker A: Colors by Brad Simpson. [00:13:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:42] Speaker A: Lettering by Ameril Design. [00:13:44] Speaker B: They do it. [00:13:45] Speaker A: We already covered the covers. [00:13:47] Speaker B: Sure did. [00:13:48] Speaker A: Creative Director is Todd McFarlane and editor in chief is Thomas Healy. He did it previously in Violator. And you, dear reader, have made it to the end of my tale. A tale that is 100% accurate, correct and fact would I lie. [00:14:10] Speaker B: I feel. I feel we're walking into some unreliable narrator territory here, Johnny. I don't know if I can trust this man. [00:14:18] Speaker A: I Never trust him. [00:14:20] Speaker B: Trust him about as far as I could throw him. And, well, that ain't very far. [00:14:25] Speaker A: I love that they use. They do the movie costume. [00:14:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:29] Speaker A: With the lock pendant and the stripe. [00:14:32] Speaker B: And the stripy shirt and the leather jacket. [00:14:36] Speaker A: Pretty classic. [00:14:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:37] Speaker A: But we open on Mr. Clown. Mr. Violator, as we know him as he was originally introduced. [00:14:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:43] Speaker A: Talking to a cat in an alley. [00:14:45] Speaker B: Yeah, he's not talking to a cat. [00:14:48] Speaker A: He could be. [00:14:49] Speaker B: Little bitty, tiny teeth. [00:14:51] Speaker A: He could be talking to a cat. [00:14:52] Speaker B: I mean. I mean, well, he's talking to us. Are we supposed to be the cat? [00:14:57] Speaker A: We could be the cat. [00:14:58] Speaker B: We could be the cat. Meow. You just. You told me you just watched Cats. So how much time have you spent, like, cleaning yourself like a cat? Since zero. [00:15:10] Speaker A: I spent a lot of time thinking about some good songs, though. [00:15:14] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, I forgot. [00:15:17] Speaker A: Of every kind of cat, in my opinion now, is that I can't keep going. [00:15:26] Speaker B: No, you can't keep going. [00:15:27] Speaker A: There should be no interpreter to our. Understand our character. [00:15:36] Speaker B: Very nice. Yeah. So I thought of something. Johnny, you said that you showed that to Megan for the first time. You should have bought matching leg warmers so that way you guys could match. [00:15:47] Speaker A: Oh, good call. [00:15:48] Speaker B: Matching leg warmers. [00:15:49] Speaker A: And it would have been nice. Actually, it wouldn't have been. It's been 70 degrees. [00:15:52] Speaker B: Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. It was like, 41 today. And I was just like, ugh, that's 70. That's wild, dude. That's wild. [00:16:02] Speaker A: One of my favorite lyrics is the mystical divinity of honor. Shameful. Round the cathedral. It's very churchy. [00:16:22] Speaker B: I mean. Yeah, it's grand. You know? It's grand. They're. They are. They're life and death. They're. They are worshiping. Johnny. They're literally praying a cat to heaven. [00:16:35] Speaker A: She dies. [00:16:36] Speaker B: She dies. Yeah. She uses her last word. [00:16:38] Speaker A: But she deserves it. In a good way. Like, she deserves it. [00:16:42] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:16:43] Speaker A: The heavy side layer. [00:16:44] Speaker B: It's. It's. It's her actual. Just rewards. [00:16:47] Speaker A: Up up up past the Russell Hotel. Up, up, up, up to the Heaviside Lair. All right. I cannot sing Cats. [00:16:59] Speaker B: This whole issue. I mean, you can and you probably will, but. Yes. [00:17:05] Speaker A: We're in New York City, 1992. What else happened in 1992? [00:17:09] Speaker B: I have absolutely no idea. I was four years old. [00:17:14] Speaker A: Is that when Spawn started? [00:17:16] Speaker B: Yeah, this. [00:17:17] Speaker A: Oh, my God. That's what I was hitting at. [00:17:21] Speaker B: Yeah. We got. [00:17:22] Speaker A: We got chilling in the alley, and it's like a crazy alley. It's like a video game alley. It's Got so many pipes and. [00:17:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Structures. It's very, very unsettling. [00:17:33] Speaker A: It is. [00:17:34] Speaker B: And he's just like walking through the, walking through the shadows and he's like, man, I'm fucking hungry. But you know the good thing about New York City? The food is really good. [00:17:44] Speaker A: Including shit. Talking to you, the viewer. Yeah, he's doing a Deadpool as they say. [00:17:50] Speaker B: Yeah, he's breaking that fourth wall. [00:17:53] Speaker A: First character to ever do it. [00:17:55] Speaker B: Deadpool. Yeah. New York is well known for its amazing food and that includes its delish rats. [00:18:02] Speaker A: Oh, look, it's so gross. He's a full ass rat. [00:18:07] Speaker B: Just like. He just like unhinges his jaw and just oh so bad. [00:18:15] Speaker A: And he's just sit there talking about how shitty the city is. Like living in their own filth, breathing toxic air. [00:18:21] Speaker B: Yeah. He's like, they're living on human. [00:18:24] Speaker A: I love New York. [00:18:26] Speaker B: He just, he needs to buy himself one of those T shirts. And then he talks about how much he loves humanity because they're just vile and sick. And we see some of the, the things that he has enjoyed about humans in the past. You know, obviously immediately jumps to Nazis because for the clown, I think there could be nothing better as an ultimate you to the creator who screwed him over when it created humans than the Nazis. [00:19:02] Speaker A: Yes, he's in like Nam or. No, it's a little more modern than. [00:19:07] Speaker B: That did some general. [00:19:11] Speaker A: Modern war. [00:19:12] Speaker B: Yeah, some general. [00:19:13] Speaker A: Do those exist? I'm kidding. [00:19:17] Speaker B: And then, you know, an anti, an anti woke protest Johnny that he is at. [00:19:24] Speaker A: Yep. [00:19:26] Speaker B: And then, and then it's him walking around in casual clown get up looking at a newsstand, seeing a story about the.44 caliber slayer. Johnny. And he says they prey on one another. It's what they do with reckless abandon for carnal pleasures, to numb pain, to show power. [00:19:52] Speaker A: Shows someone shooting up. Shows someone murdering somebody. [00:19:56] Speaker B: Humans are a mess. Mmm, that smells. Oh, he's creepy. He's creepy. Johnny. Look at this violator fleabiac here on this spire here with his insectoid mouth. Oh boy, it's creepy as hell. [00:20:12] Speaker A: Yeah, it's crazy. [00:20:14] Speaker B: And then we cut from there to Yonkers, New York, October 1976. Can you believe it, Johnny? That was just last year. [00:20:22] Speaker A: That's pretty Star wars, baby. [00:20:24] Speaker B: Yeah, true. [00:20:26] Speaker A: 1977. [00:20:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:28] Speaker A: The year it all changed. [00:20:30] Speaker B: And we got a guy cleaning his gun. Actually cleaning his gun. That's not a euphemism. [00:20:35] Speaker A: Dirty. [00:20:38] Speaker B: He's yelling at a dog because the dog is barking. And then he walks outside and the dog is like, hello, David. It is David, isn't it? He's just like the. And we see that it is Richard. David. Richard Berkowitz, also known as the.44 caliber.44 caliber killer. Or also known as the Son of Sam. Yeah, sir. It's very. It's very not good stuff. The Summer of Sam, Johnny. The Summer of the Son of Sam. I guess he killed a lot of people. And so we see a little bit of his random acts of violence. [00:21:17] Speaker A: Was he just killing random people? [00:21:18] Speaker B: Yeah, he was just. He was just killing random people. [00:21:21] Speaker A: Just walking up and shooting them. [00:21:22] Speaker B: Something like that. There may have been at some point some sort of connecting thread between victims, be it their profession or their physical appearance, but I do believe, for the most part, it was random. [00:21:35] Speaker A: Okay. [00:21:36] Speaker B: Then we see him getting arrested, and then we see him sitting in a jail cell next to the dog what spoke to him and. Oh, my God, Johnny, that dog has a shadow. [00:21:47] Speaker A: Yeah, his shadow in the earlier one, too. He's the Violator, baby. [00:21:50] Speaker B: Yeah, Violator. [00:21:53] Speaker A: Our clown is influencing the Son of Sam. [00:21:56] Speaker B: Yeah. David was not the first and far from the last monster humans. [00:22:00] Speaker A: I like the Zodiac. I know a lot about the Zodiac. [00:22:03] Speaker B: Well, I mean, didn't they just, like, they. They think they just actually found the Zodiac Killer? [00:22:07] Speaker A: Oh, really? [00:22:09] Speaker B: Yeah, a couple years ago. Oh, wait, no, I'm thinking of the Golden State Killer. That's who. [00:22:14] Speaker A: They found him. [00:22:15] Speaker B: They found him. Yeah. He was like a cop, right? I think he was a cop. [00:22:18] Speaker A: Yeah. Retired cop. [00:22:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:20] Speaker A: Classic. [00:22:21] Speaker B: Zodiac's a good fucking movie, though. [00:22:23] Speaker A: It is good. [00:22:24] Speaker B: It's good. It's real good. [00:22:25] Speaker A: It's a good movie about obsession and paranoia. [00:22:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:28] Speaker A: Which two things I know nothing about. [00:22:34] Speaker B: Absolutely. Johnny, you were the. You were the least paranoid and most aloof person I have ever met. [00:22:41] Speaker A: Correct. And keep it that way. [00:22:43] Speaker B: And then clown is saying that, you know, basically, ever since the first humans, the old Adam and Eve, there's been. There's been. [00:22:52] Speaker A: When he stole that. They show him stealing Adam's rib. [00:22:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:55] Speaker A: It's like making a big sexy Eve. [00:22:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, boy. There's. This is a. There's no little black bars, Johnny. This is. This is scandalous. [00:23:05] Speaker A: Showing Don. [00:23:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:07] Speaker A: They're showing boobs. [00:23:08] Speaker B: Yeah. They're showing bush. This is a bush heavy episode. Yeah. And we got the big snake tempting Eve into eating the apple. And, you know, it's basically, this is the. The beginning of suffering and the beginning of evil, Johnny. Yeah. And it just. It just remained and grew through the years. And we've got a little bit of Some historical nastiness. The Spartans, the plague, the fucking, you know, imperialism. We get smallpox and blankets. Smallpox and blankets. That's petty. That's pretty perverse even by his own standards, Johnny. And, you know, humanity evolved technologically and they created more. [00:23:52] Speaker A: Is that Genghis Khan? [00:23:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I think so. I think that is Genghis Khan. [00:23:59] Speaker A: One time. Okay. A lot of people don't know, but David Bowie had, like, allegations and did have sex with, like, an underage girl. [00:24:06] Speaker B: Yeah, like. [00:24:06] Speaker A: Yes, he just happened to die before. Me, too. Yes, he died early 2016. Like, January 2016. He probably. He died like, 10 years ago. Yeah, this month, I imagine. [00:24:17] Speaker B: Yeah, actually, yeah, this month. [00:24:20] Speaker A: But it was pre. Me too, which was fall 2016. And I remember Aaron, my friend, was, like, really staunch against David Bowie and being like, he's a rapist. He's a rapist. He played. He came on one of my playlists while we were playing a board game, and I was like, oh, this is your favorite rapist? He goes, actually, mine is Genghis Khan. [00:24:46] Speaker B: Yeah, Genghis Khan literally changed the world. [00:24:50] Speaker A: I just know favorite rapist really is like, something you want, like, in your. [00:24:53] Speaker B: I mean, but if you're forced to choose, Genghis Khan is a safe bet. But, yeah, so the clown is like the 20th century bred, like the four horsemen of the great nastiness. And he said, we've got Chairman. [00:25:06] Speaker A: This is a nasty issue, David. We're talking about nasty men. [00:25:09] Speaker B: We've got Hitler, we've got Stalin, we've got fucking. Is that Mussolini? I think that's supposed to be Mr. Mussolini himself. They're just like, merchants of death. [00:25:21] Speaker A: Where's all the American presidents in that? [00:25:26] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't know, Johnny. But. But then we get the opening reading of how all of this nastiness is hidden below a veneer of basically ignorance and innocence. [00:25:39] Speaker A: It is crazy. The 1950s were nuts and, like, it was like, this house could be forever. [00:25:44] Speaker B: So fucking weird. Yeah, so fucking weird. And then, you know, sort of nastiness is gonna do what nastiness does, and it just, like, seeps out and he's like. You know, there were cracks showing in the facade, Johnny. Things happening, things happening. You know, all these things happen. He predicts he has a little. [00:26:06] Speaker A: So shows, like, kids getting vaccines. What is that? [00:26:09] Speaker B: Yeah, conquering. So that even though they. They use their nastiness to make things better, but they don't completely remove the nastiness. So they've used some of their. Through their. Their battles and their Fighting. And just like the mass devastation, Charlie Manson, they've been able to come up with, you know, a rocket to the moon, some vaccines, a mechanical brain that can think for itself. Chuck Manson and clown says, this is all, all of this is the fault of the Creator. He did this. He gave them their inspiration. He gave them their free will. [00:26:48] Speaker A: It's true. [00:26:48] Speaker B: And he is here for all of it. He is, he is just loving the joke. [00:26:53] Speaker A: He's here for it, as the kids say. [00:26:55] Speaker B: And then he's like. And their nastiness has become so pervasive that they can't even relax and have a good time without watching nasty stuff. So they had to create fake nastiness to help calm themselves down. And they created horror films with demonic possessions and cannibalistic butchers and flesh eating undead. The so called Antichrist. [00:27:16] Speaker A: We get the Exorcist. [00:27:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:18] Speaker A: I say great movie. [00:27:20] Speaker B: Yeah, pretty good movie. [00:27:21] Speaker A: We get Texas Chainsaw Chainsaw Massacre. Fantastic movie. Yes, we get Carrie. [00:27:27] Speaker B: Yes, we do. [00:27:28] Speaker A: Great movie. [00:27:28] Speaker B: We get the Omen. [00:27:30] Speaker A: We get the Omen. Fantastic movie. Rosemary's Baby. Fantastic movie. And Nia Living Dead. Fantastic movie. [00:27:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:38] Speaker A: I see. They're all fantastic. [00:27:40] Speaker B: Yeah, they're pretty good. [00:27:41] Speaker A: They have to rank them. Rank these movies, David. [00:27:43] Speaker B: Rank these movies. Okay, so. [00:27:46] Speaker A: Oh God, it's so hard. [00:27:48] Speaker B: I've never seen the Omen or Rosemary's Baby. [00:27:51] Speaker A: What? [00:27:55] Speaker B: So I'm gonna have to remove those from contention. But I would probably say gonna have to say not. Poltergeist. What was it called? Exorcist. Exorcist. Night of the Living Dead. Texas Chainsaw, Carry. [00:28:12] Speaker A: That's your one to four. [00:28:13] Speaker B: Yeah, one to four. [00:28:15] Speaker A: I would wreck it. I would rank it. Texas Chainsaw. I'm gonna rank all of them because I've seen all of them. [00:28:20] Speaker B: Oh la dee da. [00:28:21] Speaker A: Texas Chainsaw. The Omen. N Living Dead, The Exorcist, Carrie, Rosemary's Baby. [00:28:31] Speaker B: Interesting, Interesting. [00:28:33] Speaker A: I, I love them all. I think they're all fantastic. [00:28:34] Speaker B: They're all good. [00:28:36] Speaker A: He's watching A spit on your grave, a movie I have not seen because I know it's so intense and like a lot of sexual assault. So I'm like, I don't see that. [00:28:45] Speaker B: I think I've seen Spit on your grave. [00:28:48] Speaker A: I saw Last of us on the left and I was like, oh, Jesus Christ. [00:28:51] Speaker B: Oh no, I've seen Last House on the left was the one I saw. I was about to say that's the West Craven one, right? [00:28:57] Speaker A: Yeah. It's another like sexual assault, revenge. [00:29:00] Speaker B: They're similar Yeah, I think I Spit on youn Grave has the reputation for being a bit nastier, though. But yeah, so the clown loves that humans can't even relax and have a good time without being nasty. Says humanity saw it as a challenge and they met. Said challenge with gusto and aplomb. And so he's leaving. He's leaving a spit on your grave. And it's. It's cold and it's snowy. And there's a Salvation army bell ringer there saying, spare change? Spare change, sir? [00:29:33] Speaker A: He says, off. [00:29:35] Speaker B: Yeah, he says, after killing each other, begging his human's favorite pastime. Perpetual victims. He's not a. He's not a misanthrope at all, Johnny. He's the most full adjusted person. [00:29:49] Speaker A: I'm getting Taxi Driver, like, Travis Bickle vibes here. [00:29:53] Speaker B: Yeah. And then, you know, after. After he says, fuck off, clown's like, you know that. That bell ringer looks. The. These humans, they kind of all look the same, but that one looks oddly familiar. And then the bell ringer says, basil. And we see that it is, in fact, not a human. [00:30:11] Speaker A: And then the narration switches. [00:30:13] Speaker B: Yes, Basil has not yet recognized me. [00:30:17] Speaker A: To Gloriana, who we know as Gloriana. [00:30:19] Speaker B: I must use that to advantage while I still have it. Why are my hands shaking? And then. And then we cut back in with. Sounds like she thinks I don't recognize her. Gloriana. We've danced this little dance between us since the dawn of time, and time is running out for one of us. And so Gloriana, just, like angel winks out and flies up, and it's just like, basil, Basil, what am I going to do with you, Basil? She's going through the. The emotions she has because they were soulmates. And then there was a schism. And now she's completely disgusted by him, but, like, still tethered to him. She says, show me where you live, it will become where you die. Ooh. She's going to kill him in his house, Johnny. And while she's watching him, he just walks in front of a truck that's bearing down on him, and he stops and he fleabs out. And then he picks up the truck and he throws it at her. Man, that's strong to be able to pick up a truck, Johnny. [00:31:21] Speaker A: Yeah, it's also, I feel, maybe a nice reference to him driving the big truck in the movie Jason Spawn. The motorcycle. [00:31:31] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a. It's a cement truck, right? In the movie. Or is it a dump truck? [00:31:36] Speaker A: It's like a. I don't know. It's like a movie dump truck. He blows up. He's like, I'll see you, Wandas. [00:31:41] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. There's some fighting here. Well, not so much some fighting. That clown's like, I'll deal with Gloriana later. He says, but I was telling a story before she interrupted me so rudely. And then he's like, there's another thing that humans came up with that is just delicious to me. The Cereal Killer. And we start off with people like this delicious monster, Mr. Theodore Bundy. He was a busy boy, he says, Johnny. [00:32:17] Speaker A: Confirmed body count 30. Unconfirmed in the hundreds. That's true? [00:32:23] Speaker B: I think so. I think so. [00:32:25] Speaker A: That's fucked up. [00:32:26] Speaker B: That is fucked up. [00:32:27] Speaker A: I don't like serial killer shit. It freaks me out. [00:32:29] Speaker B: That freaks me out, too. [00:32:30] Speaker A: I mean, I know it can't exist anymore because of, like, ring cameras and everything. Like, it's not gonna happen like that. That was a scary time. [00:32:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. It was insane. We got. We got Ted Bundy, of course. We've got Caligula, of course. We got Jack the Ripper, of course. We got Lady Bathory. [00:32:54] Speaker A: You mean Elizabeth in a castle of her death, you're still alive. Elizabeth Bathory. That old ghost song, the first song. [00:33:10] Speaker B: Yeah, it's good. It's good. [00:33:12] Speaker A: In a castle of her death, you're still alive, Elizabeth. You mean that Elizabeth Bathory? [00:33:25] Speaker B: Yeah, that Elizabeth Bathory Jenner. [00:33:26] Speaker A: Okay. [00:33:27] Speaker B: It's a good shit. That's a good album. Shit. It's. Before they got all goofy. [00:33:31] Speaker A: I know. [00:33:32] Speaker B: They were a little more earnest. That's good. Ship. It's good. Who's this guy with the skull? [00:33:40] Speaker A: The man with the skull. [00:33:43] Speaker B: Deray who gills the rise. [00:33:52] Speaker A: Jack the Ripper. They came to show him because they don't know who that cracker is. [00:33:55] Speaker B: Yeah, no, they don't. Well, I mean, obviously, it's the dude from the. That one. The. That one Johnny Depp movie from hell. [00:34:02] Speaker A: Oh, you mean Sir William Gull? [00:34:03] Speaker B: Yeah, that guy. [00:34:04] Speaker A: Okay. I love From Hell, the graphic novel. The movie kind of sucks, but the graphic novel. [00:34:10] Speaker B: Graphic novel is amazing. I actually got to meet the. The guy who did the artwork for that this last summer. He was just at a zine fest in downtown Chicago. What's his name? Fucking given. Edward. Edward Campbell. Eddie Campbell. [00:34:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:28] Speaker B: I obviously didn't read the writer because Alan Moore just. Is a hermit warlock. Just. [00:34:36] Speaker A: Yeah, his landline, as I said, just. [00:34:38] Speaker B: Just yelling at people to get off. Get out of his swamp. He's basically Shrek. He's Shrek here's Shrek, but he says Johnny. So these, these killers were pretty, Pretty fantastic killers. But there's one place, one place that is just like perfect for making serial killers, Johnny. And that place, good old 20th century US of A. And we get a two page spread of the most accurate map of America. [00:35:09] Speaker A: Yeah, it's hilarious. It's the clowns version of the map. Things are spelled wrong and everything's shaped wrong. [00:35:17] Speaker B: Oh, everything's in the wrong spot. Yeah, it's fun. And each new killer more perverse than the one before, popping up with shocking frequency. Got Berkowitz, Williams, DeSalvo, Ramirez, Bianchi, Buono, Green River, Ted Bundy. Wait till you found out about the guy in Milwaukee. [00:35:36] Speaker A: I'm sure you like that one. [00:35:38] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm sure the clown envied the nipple belt. And watching these guys. Yeah, they're mostly guys. Shocking. [00:35:47] Speaker A: And then he gets to like, talk to like his. It's kind of meta here with this John Wayne Gacy interlude. Yeah, it's obviously clown is influenced by. [00:35:55] Speaker B: Yeah, he's Joker. This is the first of all. Yeah, true Swans. [00:36:01] Speaker A: Very Batman. [00:36:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:02] Speaker A: And the clown, his biggest villain is the Joker. Yeah, Clown. [00:36:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:08] Speaker A: Come on. It's not that much. Not that big of a reach. [00:36:10] Speaker B: Not that big of a reach at all. [00:36:12] Speaker A: But I think this is all my opinion. So Joker, yellow. John Wayne Gacy in there, he is. [00:36:19] Speaker B: He is canonically the worst clown. [00:36:22] Speaker A: I mean, Pennywise maybe a little bit because the novel was big, but there's just a growing fear of clowns. [00:36:27] Speaker B: Yeah, there was. I think. I don't think. I don't think John Wayne Gacy helped at all. No, but yeah, the clown is saying that John Wayne Gacy was basically the top serial killer of them all and happens to be his physical inspiration. And boy. Yeah, John Wayne Gacy was a fuck. Was a fuck. He was a fuck. He was a real bad fuck. [00:36:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:52] Speaker B: Real gross. [00:36:54] Speaker A: Not much scarier than a corpulent, child killing clown. So, yeah, I borrowed it from him. Thanks, pal. [00:37:00] Speaker B: Pretty fucking hardcore, am I right? John Wayne Gacy, bad guy, no good. No thank you. [00:37:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:08] Speaker B: And then clown says, it's not stealing, it's building out a foundation. Don't roll your eyes at me. And then he's like, she's here, she's here. You know, everybody's. Everybody's had that where they're saying something very passionately allowed. Then they're like, oh, oh, shit. I. Quiet, guys. [00:37:26] Speaker A: They're here. [00:37:27] Speaker B: So Gloriana floats down into the alley where not al. We're Clowns. [00:37:34] Speaker A: I wish. Al doesn't even make. Does he make an appearance at the end? I don't think so. [00:37:39] Speaker B: I don't think so. I think. I think it. I think this ends, like, the second before Al shows up, right? And then Gloriana is just like, Basil, I know you can see me. Aren't you tired of this ridiculous dance we've been doing? Because I am. And she walks closer and closer to a dumpster. The dumpster that clown is hiding behind. She says, I'm willing to die for the side I chose. Are you? And then clown in a perfectly creepy fucking red eyes and smile, and that's all you can see in the shadows. Such a creepy panel says, the only side I choose is me. And then he stands up from around the dumpster and has a bazooka. It just bazookas her. Just, like, right in the face. [00:38:35] Speaker A: Classic 90s clown tag. [00:38:38] Speaker B: You're it. And then clown gets a bonk. Johnny. [00:38:42] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. He says, I'm so turned on right now. [00:38:45] Speaker B: Bonk. [00:38:47] Speaker A: He goes, we're gonna redefine pain, Gloriana. It zooms in her eyes. She looks pained. Yeah, they do some nasty man. He's a nasty man. [00:38:55] Speaker B: Yeah. He just goes over while she's, like, incapacitated and just, like, licks her face. [00:39:00] Speaker A: Oh, not cool. [00:39:02] Speaker B: Not cool. [00:39:03] Speaker A: This clown's a bad guy. [00:39:04] Speaker B: He's. He's not a. He's not. He's not aspirational. And then while. While he's, you know, taunting her and all over her face, she says, you were nowhere near as clever as you think you are, Violator. He says, what was that? [00:39:21] Speaker A: And she punches him. [00:39:23] Speaker B: She punches him. She punches him so hard that he does a twist around. [00:39:27] Speaker A: He loses some teeth. [00:39:28] Speaker B: Yeah. And he says, oh, I was hoping you wouldn't pull your punches. And then it's like she punched his. His early 90s word bubbles into him because he's got these ra words that are big and a different color. [00:39:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:42] Speaker B: You are an instrument of violence like me. But unlike you, I love it. [00:39:48] Speaker A: Slopes. He lashes out with his tongue. [00:39:51] Speaker B: He's got. He's like Toad from the X Men here. [00:39:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:55] Speaker B: This big. Oh, cool, dude. No problem. [00:40:03] Speaker A: We'll never play Darth Maul again as he plays. Posted revenge form on Instagram, I believe. I think. [00:40:08] Speaker B: Yeah, it was. It was on some social media. Yeah. [00:40:12] Speaker A: What, after he was in solo. [00:40:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:15] Speaker A: Come on, man. What are you doing, Ray Park. [00:40:18] Speaker B: Oh, man, I don't. I don't. Nobody knows, Johnny. [00:40:21] Speaker A: You were the Headless Horseman. [00:40:22] Speaker B: You were. You Were the Darth Maul. [00:40:25] Speaker A: I told you. Do you know Megan got me what she get you? She got me the Disney Headless Horseman Christmas ornament. [00:40:32] Speaker B: Oh, nice. The. The. The Adventures of Ichabod version. Nice. [00:40:38] Speaker A: In honor of our podcast. [00:40:40] Speaker B: Hell yeah. That's an awesome. That's an awesome one. [00:40:43] Speaker A: She got me some good gifts. It was a good Christmas. That was a good Christmas. [00:40:47] Speaker B: Megan is a great gift giver. [00:40:49] Speaker A: She is. [00:40:49] Speaker B: The world needs to know this. Johnny's girlfriend is a great gift giver. [00:40:53] Speaker A: She is very good at it. Yeah, she worked at Hallmark for many years. [00:40:59] Speaker B: That's why she knows. She knows what? That she knows what to get. [00:41:05] Speaker A: But anyway. [00:41:05] Speaker B: But yeah. So back to girlfriends. Back to soul mates. So. So clown comes back at Gloriana, you know, lashing his tongue around like it's a. Like it's a whip. And he says, oh, you taste good. I wonder what flavor your insides are. And then he just like beats her over and over again with a pipe. [00:41:30] Speaker A: Yeah, terrible. [00:41:31] Speaker B: Yeah, this. [00:41:33] Speaker A: But then she is so whispers to him, you repulse me. [00:41:39] Speaker B: And he says, really? And to think for the briefest moments, I was going to offer to let you go. [00:41:47] Speaker A: And then she stands up and fucking eyes his ass. [00:41:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Do you remember? [00:41:51] Speaker A: He does. Do you remember? 28 days later he does. Does that. [00:41:55] Speaker B: No. [00:41:56] Speaker A: 20 days later. Very good movie. I just rewatched it. [00:41:58] Speaker B: I haven't seen it in a very long time. I know, it's intense. I've seen that. [00:42:01] Speaker A: You know, David, guess what? The soldiers are worse than the zombies. [00:42:04] Speaker B: Oh, you don't say. Yeah. Gloriada says no more games. [00:42:11] Speaker A: But she stabs her thought. Does the movie. You stab your thumbs in their eyes. [00:42:15] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I think I remember them doing that in the original Evil Dead. [00:42:21] Speaker A: Yeah, they just do it really. It's really memorable. 20 days later. Yeah. Evil Dead. He does that because it's gross. It's a classic. [00:42:29] Speaker B: It's a classic. It's a good one. It's a good way to incapacitate a attacker. And then Clown's like, fine, this game is over. And he just stabs her through the middle with his fucking. A hand of stabbies. [00:42:46] Speaker A: He just turns into claws. Yeah, it's like a Deathstroke. Is that the X Men that does that? She has like the long fingernails. I think I'm right. [00:42:58] Speaker B: Well, no, cuz. Well, I mean, Deathstroke is also a DC character who's the world's greatest assassin. Could be. It could be Deathstroke. [00:43:09] Speaker A: No, never mind. He's a DC or. [00:43:14] Speaker B: Psylocke. No, not Silas. [00:43:17] Speaker A: There's a strike. [00:43:18] Speaker B: Lady Death Strike. I know that like the early 90s Image Team books all had a like half robot lady with long pointy fingernails by at Homeland. [00:43:31] Speaker A: The Phalmix covenant was the story arc. And we're buying Homeland. The years my brother and I would by X Men comics. [00:43:40] Speaker B: Nice. [00:43:41] Speaker A: Do some. A quick trip. [00:43:43] Speaker B: Yeah. They used to sell comic books everywhere. And well, Johnny, phones ruined everything. Yeah. While. While Gloriana has her thumbs deep inside of Clown's skull, she's flying them higher and higher. And then after. After Clown stabs her through the chest. They both just fall back into the river. [00:44:02] Speaker A: Yes. [00:44:04] Speaker B: And Clown says, plummeting back to earth is not going to be pleasant at all. But if there's one being who has experience falling from heaven, it's me. He's just a shadowy figure with blood dripping down, crawling out of the river. And so he walks back to the alley. Johnny. [00:44:24] Speaker A: There's a guy who says, hey, would you help with downing your luck vet? And he's like, oh, the army gave everything to ignores your existence. Right? Yeah. [00:44:32] Speaker B: How's your eyesight? The guy's like, perfect. I was a sniper. He says, awesome. And so I'm gonna need your eyes. It won't hurt much. Yeah. So he steals the guy's eyes and then he finds himself like this beautifully ornate mirror in the alley. And he's like, these are good eyes. I could see how. What a handsome devil I am. [00:44:53] Speaker A: And then we were wrong. There's an appearance from AL A1 panel is a clown. [00:44:58] Speaker B: We must have words. [00:45:02] Speaker A: Oops. Call of Duty skin calls. [00:45:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Looks like I'm leaving you with some big gaps and some with some questions. Sorry, not sorry. I know you'll be back. I'm irresistible. He's a. He's a stinker, Johnny. He's a little stinker. Everything. [00:45:19] Speaker A: My share is 100 USA approved. No sugar added truth. Give or take a lie or two. [00:45:24] Speaker B: Yeah. And we cut from there to the Bellevue Hospital. And there's. There's a doctor and a nurse, and they're. They're just like, who is this woman who should have been broken in a fall? And she's up and about. Nobody knows her name. Does she know her name? Who is this lady? [00:45:40] Speaker A: And she says one word. And we get a spawn skull. That was a great issue. [00:45:49] Speaker B: Oh, man, it's so fucking good. It makes me wish that I cared more about serial killers. I care. [00:45:56] Speaker A: I. I like when I get sucked into it. I get sucked in, but it scares Me, and I get all creepy. It's. [00:46:01] Speaker B: It's one of the. It's. It's a. It's a rabbit hole that is very easy to fall down and is also very easy to despair. [00:46:08] Speaker A: So I used to listen to my favorite murder, which is probably still going. It was a good murder podcast, like, one of the original ones. [00:46:14] Speaker B: I think it might still be going, actually killing killer. [00:46:16] Speaker A: Someone else. But everyone's, like, laughing at me because I'm like, I can't name the biggest podcast in the world, but I used to listen to it. And one time I was listening to it, I fell asleep on a plane. I woke up and heard the. This description. It was horrific murder I ever heard, and I couldn't. I was on a plane. I had so much anxiety. I was like, I can't do this anymore. [00:46:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:33] Speaker A: And I just stopped. [00:46:34] Speaker B: I, I, I used to listen. I saw them live. [00:46:37] Speaker A: I was into them for, like, a. [00:46:38] Speaker B: Year and a half. Dang. Dang. I have a friend who got me into a podcast called Sword and Scale that's a similar thing. And there was. There was a. A series of, like, three episodes in a row where it was all just baby stuff. And I was like, absolutely the not. No more. No more, no more. [00:46:58] Speaker A: Well, there's more to this issue, though. [00:47:00] Speaker B: Yeah. We get some of the inks. [00:47:03] Speaker A: We get the inks of him eating the rat with that crazy, gnarly, like, almost steampunk alley. [00:47:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, this is. This is a rat city alley, if you ask me. It's cool. It looks like the inside of a factory instead of the outside of some buildings. [00:47:16] Speaker A: And then you get the one with all the historical serial killers, like, and then Celeste Oliveille or whatever his name was. [00:47:29] Speaker B: And Caligula. [00:47:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:31] Speaker B: And then we get the. The John Wayne Gacy inks of the. [00:47:36] Speaker A: John Wayne Gacy page. [00:47:37] Speaker B: Yeah, it's good. [00:47:39] Speaker A: It's good, man. [00:47:40] Speaker B: And there's new generations, new story, new year. Yeah. And these. These coming to a comic shop near you, Johnny. These. These already done come and went. [00:47:52] Speaker A: He's from March 2025. Oh, my God. We've already talked about a lot of them. [00:47:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:56] Speaker A: Except for Nice versus Samurai, but whatever, which is. [00:47:59] Speaker B: Was wild. Absolutely wild. [00:48:02] Speaker A: Is it over? Is it still gone? [00:48:04] Speaker B: I don't know. I had to drop it after a few because I was getting too many spots. That's about the time Spawn started spooling up. Then the back of the. The issue ad is the Image Classics. [00:48:18] Speaker A: Oh, Image Classics is no toy ad. [00:48:20] Speaker B: No toy ad. [00:48:20] Speaker A: You get a nice purple. The Back cover is. [00:48:24] Speaker B: It's a beautiful. A beautiful. Just isolated spawn orb. So the next time I try to update the logo and need a good high quality image of the spawn or. I got one right here. I can scan in. [00:48:37] Speaker A: Yes. [00:48:37] Speaker B: Yeah. And that, Johnny, is Violator 2025, number six of six. Or is it 2024? It was 2024, wasn't it? [00:48:48] Speaker A: No, it wasn't. It started in 2024, but ended in 2020. [00:48:51] Speaker B: Well, but so they. They do the start. The start date. So technically it will be violated 2024. Right. [00:48:58] Speaker A: Oh, God, I'm so old. [00:49:00] Speaker B: I don't know. Whatever. Well, Johnny, being older just means that you can have more dogs or you can have had more dogs in your life. Oh, boy, that's a depressing thought. [00:49:11] Speaker A: Megan cried at Cats because she thought about her cat dying. [00:49:14] Speaker B: Oh, no, that's. [00:49:15] Speaker A: No, I cried too. I always cry at cats. [00:49:18] Speaker B: But that's sad. [00:49:20] Speaker A: The double whammy in that PBS special of memory. And then Gus the theater cat. It's rough, man. [00:49:29] Speaker B: That's all. That's all I know. [00:49:30] Speaker A: This is a good song. It's a good singer. [00:49:32] Speaker B: Yeah. My piano teacher, when I was little, like to try to keep it hip, and so she would order the popular music books for us to play with. And there was. I had. I was learning selections from Cats for, like, six months of piano lessons. [00:49:51] Speaker A: Oh, hell, yeah. [00:49:53] Speaker B: It was. It was Cats, and then it was Tarzan. The 1997 Tarzan. Which fucking. Yeah. I'm sure my mom still has the book somewhere. [00:50:03] Speaker A: Like, Alone in the Moonlight. You can't sing it. Not finish it. [00:50:08] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I mean, I can because I don't remember the words. [00:50:11] Speaker A: Have you. Has the moon lost its memory? I was beautiful then I remember a time I knew what happiness was. Let the memory. [00:50:32] Speaker B: Live again. Fuck. That show is sad, Joni. It is sad as hell. It's supposed to be some stupid poems about some goddamn cats. [00:50:44] Speaker A: It's all encompassing. It takes you from joy to sadness. I love fucking cats. I'll talk about Cats all night. This is now a Cats podcast. [00:50:53] Speaker B: I was about to say, we're gonna have to do a Cats episode, aren't we? Fuck. [00:50:57] Speaker A: One day. [00:50:58] Speaker B: Release the butthole Cut. And I'll do it. [00:51:01] Speaker A: Buster for the Joe. No, we're not seeing cats all night because they're really mean to dogs in cats. [00:51:07] Speaker B: Well, that's the song. [00:51:08] Speaker A: The Pogs and the Pollicles. [00:51:09] Speaker B: That's bad. I know. Because we're a pro dog podcast. And, Johnny, that means we gotta rate this puppy. [00:51:17] Speaker A: It's Time to rate the puppies. [00:51:18] Speaker B: That was a rough puppy. [00:51:20] Speaker A: Puppy, puppy. Now play it. So we had one issue. [00:51:26] Speaker B: Yes. [00:51:27] Speaker A: Violator number six. I'm gonna give it five. It's not even. [00:51:31] Speaker B: It's. [00:51:31] Speaker A: I don't even know if it's featured in the issue, but I'm gonna give it five American Flags out of five. I'm just saying that right off the bat, I think. [00:51:37] Speaker B: I think there's. I think there's an American flag in here. Is there not? [00:51:40] Speaker A: I love this issue. It just took you through. There's not an American flag. [00:51:45] Speaker B: Well, there's some Nazi flags. [00:51:47] Speaker A: I might give it five Nazi flags. No, definitely five American flags out of five. It's exactly what I need to read on January 6th. It was just like. It's. It's. It's about how disgusting and awful America is. [00:51:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:00] Speaker A: And just humanity is. And it's just. It's. It's great. It's a great ending to the series. I love. I like that it. I love this series. That it wasn't like, okay, we're gonna go into, like, how he made the suit with Cogliostro and all this, like, canon. Yeah, it was. You know what I mean? It could have gone that route. Yeah, I assumed it might have. [00:52:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:26] Speaker A: And it could have been like, okay, this is how he made K7 Letha. And this is like when he's working with Kylie Ostro, which we've seen before, and it's all kind of muddled and like. Yeah, yeah, whatever. It's like he did it. [00:52:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:38] Speaker A: But, like, I'm glad I didn't focus on that and focus on him as a character. And just the different historical pillars is a brilliant idea. [00:52:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:44] Speaker A: And this one just brings it all together. The whole miniseries is a home run. I think this issue especially. I mean, I like so many of that to think about. It goes from the one where he's in heaven, the one that's like Paradise Lost. Paradise Lost to this. [00:53:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:04] Speaker A: It's a cohesive six issue. And they're big, beefy boys, and they each get their own flavor. It's great. It's exactly what you want in a miniseries. You can pick up one and be happy. You can read all of them, be extremely happy. It's exactly what you want in a miniseries. It's worth six American dollars, and it's worth five American flags out of five. [00:53:26] Speaker B: Oh, Johnny, I just realized something. [00:53:29] Speaker A: What? [00:53:29] Speaker B: It's six dollars and six of six. Holy shit. This is the 666 issue, Johnny. [00:53:34] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:53:34] Speaker B: Oh God. [00:53:35] Speaker A: Six of six was this. Well, it's 5.99. If it was one cent more, it'd be 666. [00:53:40] Speaker B: They're gonna tell you. They're gonna tell you. It's six bucks. That's like. That's like gas being something something. And nine tenths of a penny. What the fuck is that? I agree. Johnny. This thing is fucking awesome. I've loved this entire series. It's been so fucking good. I have not had enough good things to say about it. Just because there's only so many words that exist and I fucking love it. This is a great jumping on point for anybody who's interested in Spawn. [00:54:10] Speaker A: Like and we get some Vaughn Randall interiors. [00:54:12] Speaker B: Yeah, right. It's real good. [00:54:14] Speaker A: Yeah, he's doing a lot of covers and. [00:54:17] Speaker B: Well, Johnny, I'm sure you know exactly what I'm going to choose for my rating. Aren't you? Don't you? Don't you know? Don't you? [00:54:25] Speaker A: Five Nazi flags. [00:54:26] Speaker B: No, no. This is. This is A. Oh, five boobs. [00:54:31] Speaker A: Five pairs of boobs with 10 boobs. What are you gonna pick? Just saying. [00:54:35] Speaker B: I was. I was hoping you would say that. Because I'm not gonna choose that. I'm gonna choose, you know, five McFarland theaters. It's the McFarland theater. [00:54:45] Speaker A: It's the McFarland Theater. [00:54:46] Speaker B: It's the McFarland Theatre is playing I spit on your grave. Five. Five shitty movie houses that the cl. The clown goes to to watch Nasty. [00:54:54] Speaker A: Go see a movie in that house. [00:54:56] Speaker B: I would. So that. Johnny, that's. I'm giving it five. You're giving it five. We both love it. This is a. This is an entrance and entrant into the Hellfire Club, I do believe. [00:55:07] Speaker A: Oh yes it is. [00:55:09] Speaker B: Oh man. So good. So good. And also purple if you're. If you're an 11 year old boy. It's got boobs in it. And they'll sell it to you. So it's as. [00:55:21] Speaker A: As recent guests as of our Christmas episode. Thomas Hut calls him got a lot of mommy milkers. [00:55:31] Speaker B: He would. Wouldn't. [00:55:32] Speaker A: He's some gag about mommy milkers and Sydney Sweeney. He's always texting me about. Oh my God. [00:55:45] Speaker B: I love how Tom is like the most unserious person I have ever met. It's wonderful. Oh, I love Tom. Tom, come back on the show. [00:55:55] Speaker A: We gotta have something back on the show. We'll have him for the next miniseries number next number one. We'll do Tom. [00:55:59] Speaker B: Let's do that. Yeah, let's do that. You're able to bother him a lot easier now. I am. [00:56:04] Speaker A: I live next to you. I don't live next to him. I live in the same city as him. [00:56:09] Speaker B: Nice. But yeah, this is fucking great. Fucking read this series. If you haven't been reading this series, if you've just been listening to us talk about it, you're doing yourself a big disservice. [00:56:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:19] Speaker B: Because it's amazing. It's really good. This makes me really wish that I had had eighteen hundred dollars to throw away on that John Wayne Gacy signed one of five hundred book that they had at that bookstore next to this. Yeah. I have a feeling that like the ghosts would follow me home if I had purchased it though. Like it would be cursed. Yeah, that bookstore, that bookstore, the, the people were just like, fuck it, we're tired, we're closing, we're retiring. So I don't know where it went. I have no idea where the book ended up. I could just be out there, it's. [00:56:51] Speaker A: Gonna come knock on your doorstep. [00:56:52] Speaker B: Oh, geez, that would be wild. That would be real wild. [00:56:56] Speaker A: Well, David, you know what's knocking your doorstep? [00:56:58] Speaker B: What's that? [00:56:59] Speaker A: A friend. [00:57:00] Speaker B: A friend. Oh, excellent. I like friends. Well, Johnny, what friend is it? Who dare? Who dare? Who dare? Who dat? [00:57:08] Speaker A: Who dat? [00:57:08] Speaker B: Who dat? [00:57:09] Speaker A: It's our friend Mark Andreko. [00:57:11] Speaker B: Oh, okay. Yeah. [00:57:14] Speaker A: On Instagram. [00:57:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Mark Andreco. I do believe he wrote a, a little thing called Violator 2024. [00:57:22] Speaker A: I do believe he did. [00:57:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna say cheers, Origins 2024. Oh yeah, okay. That's right. Yeah. [00:57:31] Speaker A: Where can you find him on Instagram, David? [00:57:33] Speaker B: You can find [email protected] realmarkandraco that's real. R E A L Mark M A R C and Draco A N D R E Y K O. [00:57:46] Speaker A: There it is. [00:57:47] Speaker B: Yeah. If, if this series didn't clue you into it, he's just fucking cool as hell. So give him a follow. Give him some love. Buy all his fucking books because he rocks. [00:58:02] Speaker A: He does. Give him a follow. [00:58:04] Speaker B: Do it. Give him some. [00:58:06] Speaker A: Why there? Follow us. I know we don't post. It's my fault. One day we will again. I have nothing more to say on the matter. [00:58:16] Speaker B: Social media is hard, dude. It's hard to get up the gumption to do it. [00:58:20] Speaker A: It is. I changed, I changed cities and careers recently. That's all I'll say. And it's just been tough to keep up with social media as well. And it will come back one day. [00:58:31] Speaker B: It's. It's Hard. It's hard even when you don't do all those changes. It's. It's a cancer. It really is a cancer, but it's a cancer. But still use it because sometimes there's some good stuff on there, like Marc Andrako. [00:58:44] Speaker A: And we will post it. [00:58:45] Speaker B: Yeah, we will. [00:58:45] Speaker A: We'll post again, I'm gonna say in the next three months. [00:58:51] Speaker B: I thought you were gonna say the next three years. [00:58:54] Speaker A: No, three months. [00:58:57] Speaker B: Post something. We'll post something. It's the. It's. It's post holiday time. So that means new year. That means this episode. [00:59:05] Speaker A: Just to show you all that I can purse. Maybe I will. I'm threatening it. [00:59:11] Speaker B: Okay. [00:59:14] Speaker A: Do what you will do it. [00:59:16] Speaker B: Oh, no. [00:59:16] Speaker A: All I can think about is to be so much easier if I use AI to fucking do it. Oh my God. Help me. Help me, David. [00:59:25] Speaker B: I mean, I wish I could, but I'm trying. [00:59:27] Speaker A: I hate social media. I'm sorry. I had to cut it all in my life. I was in charge of our social media and I fell off on it. But we will get back to it. [00:59:33] Speaker B: I mean, in my personal life, I literally just post cute pictures of dogs and it takes me like a week to get up the nerve to post one picture with a half a sentence description of the dog. So it's. We're just not built for it, Johnny. [00:59:48] Speaker A: We're not built for it. We are built for. Is talking to you. So if you don't want to reach us on the cancer. If you don't want to reach out to us on the cancer of social media. Yes, you can reach out to us at. Regarding SpawnPod gmail.com. every week I ask a question. [01:00:04] Speaker B: Yes, you do. [01:00:05] Speaker A: Just a spur if you want to answer. And this week I would say, what is your favorite violator of this origin? 6. I'm going to ask that question and not answer because I don't know. [01:00:18] Speaker B: You don't know. Mine's. Mine's. Toss up between the. I can't decide between the Rasputin or the Rasputin. What's it. The cabaret one. [01:00:32] Speaker A: Cabaret, yeah. This one was great too, though. [01:00:35] Speaker B: This one was very good. [01:00:36] Speaker A: First one was great. They're all great, I think. I think they're all great. [01:00:39] Speaker B: You have to be very specific about it because I like how the Rasputin one is a. Its own little like it's a story about Rasputin, basically. Whereas this one is more of like a treatise. Treatise on the nature of evil and how it appears nowadays. The cabaret one was a further extension of hell. The plague one was pretty good. The plague one was pretty nasty. The first one was great. [01:01:04] Speaker A: They're all good. [01:01:06] Speaker B: What was the second one? I'm skipping one. What happened in the second? The Plague was the second one. Yeah, I thought that was the. We're missing one because we've got Paradise Lost Plague, Rasputin Cabaret. This one. Oh, oh, oh. The. The Vikings and the Goddamn. The goddamn. That was a good one. Yeah. Oh, shit, I forgot about that with the fucking crazy monks shit. They're all good. [01:01:34] Speaker A: They're all good. Reviletor. Hopefully that is a trade paperback. I imagine by now I would be. [01:01:40] Speaker B: Surprised if it don't. If it wasn't. [01:01:41] Speaker A: Get it, get it, Love it. [01:01:43] Speaker B: Yes. [01:01:44] Speaker A: And then come back next week. Hear us talk about more spawn. [01:01:48] Speaker B: Yes, indeed, Johnny. What kind of spawn do you want to talk about next? [01:01:52] Speaker A: I want. I'm on some rootin tootin, shootin'. [01:01:56] Speaker B: Rootin' tootin' shootin'. Is this. Would this be the first gunslinger we've done since you've moved back to the land of gunslingers? [01:02:04] Speaker A: No, if we did one in October, I moved in October. [01:02:07] Speaker B: Well, but it posted on October 10th, so we might have done. I think we did it before you moved. [01:02:13] Speaker A: Oh boy, here we go. No pressure. I live in Oklahoma. We're doing gunslinger. Which gunslingers are we doing, David? [01:02:20] Speaker B: Johnny, we are gonna do Gunslinger Number 46 and Deadly Tales of the Gunslinger Number 9. It's gonna be exciting. You're gonna. [01:02:31] Speaker A: Are you gonna see it? [01:02:32] Speaker B: You're gonna come in your chaps with your. Your boots with your springs. [01:02:35] Speaker A: I'm gonna come in my chaps. Jesus Christ, David. [01:02:40] Speaker B: And your 10 gallon hat and your six shooters. [01:02:42] Speaker A: I'm gonna pretend my chaps for the next episode. [01:02:47] Speaker B: Yes. [01:02:47] Speaker A: If I'm wearing chaps, I'm coming. Oh, I'm gonna come in my chaps. Not come. I misunderstood you. [01:03:00] Speaker B: Yeah, you didn't see my face. You didn't see my face. I said it straight faced. I didn't say it like, oh God, don't do that. [01:03:07] Speaker A: Don't ever do that. Oh, God, kill me. Yeah, I'm gonna wear chaps. I'm going to wear chaps. [01:03:17] Speaker B: Oh, don't you dare call them assless chaps. Because by definition all chaps are assless if they've got an ass, they're pants. Get at everybody. [01:03:27] Speaker A: How can you end on a better quote than that? I agree. [01:03:33] Speaker B: Okay. I snuck a maithiscorch to be with you in there in the. In the laughing. So that works. [01:03:41] Speaker A: No, no, no. No. [01:03:42] Speaker B: Just. [01:03:42] Speaker A: Just say it. [01:03:43] Speaker B: Oh. Oh. [01:03:44] Speaker A: So you have to say it. [01:03:46] Speaker B: I have to say it. [01:03:47] Speaker A: Okay, Johnny, I have to say it again. You say, may this course be with you, and then you have to say what you said again. [01:03:54] Speaker B: Well, since there's no better way to end it than that, Johnny, all I've got to say is, may the scorched be with you. [01:04:00] Speaker A: And also with you, David. [01:04:01] Speaker B: And I have to say it again. [01:04:03] Speaker A: Say it again, David. [01:04:04] Speaker B: Chaps, by definition, are assless. If it has an ass, it's pants. [01:04:09] Speaker A: Do you hear that, people? Pants. Sam.