Episode 71

January 05, 2024

01:56:11

Episode 71 - Spawn 327 and Gunslinger 25 - with Logan Branam!

Episode 71 - Spawn 327 and Gunslinger 25 - with Logan Branam!
RE:Spawn
Episode 71 - Spawn 327 and Gunslinger 25 - with Logan Branam!

Jan 05 2024 | 01:56:11

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Show Notes

The Malebolge is once again filled-to-bursting! The boys welcome back Logan Branam, the rootinest-tootinest guest of them all!

Up for discussion: Spawn 327, written by Rory McConville and drawn by Carlo Barberi! Gunlsinger 25, written by Todd McFarlane himself, and drawn by Dexter Soy!

The discussion is madcap, the comics are primo, and the Logan is a gem!

Since we've already got one friend on tap for y'all today, why not add another? Jose is a great dude over on insta! Talk to him about SPAWN, maybe? (https://www.instagram.com/spawn_mcfarlane_dcuo/)

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Don't forget to e-mail at [email protected]! We'll read you message on air, and even send you a sticker to boot!

May the Scorched be with you!

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Episode Transcript

[00:00:00] Speaker A: It. [00:00:00] Speaker B: Even the gunslinger looks superhuman compared to you, dark detective. I've never understood why hell wastes so much of its energy on you. [00:00:09] Speaker A: Hell spawns. [00:00:43] Speaker B: Good evening, and welcome to the Malbolge. This is regarding Spawn, the world's best spawn podcast. I'm your co host, John Fisher. [00:00:56] Speaker C: And I am your co host, David Williams. [00:00:59] Speaker A: It's me. Returning guest, Logan Branham. Ah. [00:01:04] Speaker B: Welcome back. Welcome back. [00:01:06] Speaker C: It's been too long. Oh, and this time, y'all aren't in the same little closet. [00:01:09] Speaker A: That's true. We're not gonna die of carbon monoxide poisoning. [00:01:14] Speaker B: That's not gonna happen. Editing will be a lot easier because there'll be separate audio tracks. It's just gonna be a better experience all around. [00:01:21] Speaker A: Wave of the future. [00:01:22] Speaker C: At least you both won't die of that poisoning together. You might do it separately from your own home. [00:01:28] Speaker B: I might. If Barbie got in here, we might suffocate each other. [00:01:32] Speaker A: Oh, man. [00:01:33] Speaker B: She was trying to come in. She gets really interested when I go in this closet and wants to sit on my lap, but she would just walk all over the screen and stuff. She's almost ruined. When I've been editing an episode, like, almost killed an entire episode before. [00:01:48] Speaker A: Really? Oh, man. [00:01:50] Speaker B: Yeah. She stepped on, did something. I don't know what it did. It was like waveform audio, where you can kind of wound with. She extended it by 1 second. So everything was like, luckily I just had to hit on due, but it took, like, 30 minutes for it to process the entire hour long audio. Oh, my God, this is over. I don't even know if I ever told David about that. Yeah, I was like, oh, fuck. But then I just had hit undo, and it took, like, 30 minutes to do it and then 1 second to undo it. But I was like, oh, no. [00:02:21] Speaker C: Everybody that Wanda talks to online knows that if there's just, like, some gobbledy gook that's come through, it's because a dog's walked across the keyboard and not having a stroke. [00:02:32] Speaker B: It sometimes happens. [00:02:33] Speaker C: Sometimes it's very upsetting. The first time you get one of those, like, what the hell is going on over there? Are you okay? I was just a dog. [00:02:41] Speaker A: Yeah. Mr. V sitting here right beside me, wanting to. He was, like, watching everything right now. But when I was away, once I got the whole setup going over here for the first time and walked off, I turned around later because I heard my computer going. I was like, what the hell? And he was, like, sitting up on the table with just his front paws on my keyboard, doing, like, keeping some button press. I was like, hey, bud. What? [00:03:04] Speaker B: Look around. [00:03:04] Speaker A: Don't do that. [00:03:06] Speaker C: He's starting a. [00:03:08] Speaker A: You know, he's hustling. [00:03:09] Speaker B: Yes, we all have our familiars, our animal familiars, just like the gunslinger himself. [00:03:14] Speaker A: See that? [00:03:15] Speaker B: Look at that. Beautiful transition. [00:03:16] Speaker A: Transition. [00:03:17] Speaker C: That was great. That was great, Johnny. [00:03:18] Speaker B: But, yeah. Welcome. This is regarding Spawn. Each week, we bring you two issues of Spawn's universe. Except for when we don't. Last week, we didn't. If you missed last week, it was our Christmas episode. We did a Christmas episode with Bran Moorhead. So go listen to that if you haven't. We're recording this pre Christmas, so we'll probably talk about Christmas, but it's going to be released post in the early new year or post Christmas. [00:03:42] Speaker A: Coming to you from the future and the past. [00:03:46] Speaker B: We're coming for the past and the. [00:03:47] Speaker C: Future from all time at once. [00:03:49] Speaker B: It's all times at once, much like Spawn's universe. But today we've got Spawn 327 all the way back from February 2022. So almost two years. And then we've got Gunslinger 25, which is just from October 2023, just a few months ago. Two very different issues. Both wacky in their own way, but both a lot of fun. [00:04:13] Speaker C: It's a rip roaring adventure across both of them, actually. [00:04:16] Speaker A: Yeah, it was very classic. I don't know, just like a classic. Sort of just like classic revenge movie type scenes. Definitely coming out of the gunslinger for this. [00:04:31] Speaker B: It was very much like a little self contained short story. Yeah, I don't know. It's hilarious in a good way. [00:04:40] Speaker C: Yeah, it's very western. You killed my family, so I'm you and all your buddies. [00:04:45] Speaker A: I mean, I'm always down for it, too, so I love the western revenge story. That was always the jams growing up. My dad was so into, I guess it was like a thing back in the 60s, as Saturday morning westerns were just like a thing. They always aired on tv and stuff. And as a kid, that was like, his Saturday morning cartoons basically were like, Saturday morning westerns. And so when we were growing up, he'd be like, oh, yeah, you see them on AMC or Turner classic movie or something. Be like, oh, yeah, I remember watching this one on a set, and we would just watch old ass westerns. And he was like, yes, Saturday morning westerns, or whatever. And so I just always have a vibe for that kind of thing. [00:05:27] Speaker C: They used to have those long running western television shows, like, basically a western flavored soap opera. [00:05:34] Speaker B: Yeah, there are a bunch of those, including bounty law, starring Rick Dalton, bounty. [00:05:40] Speaker A: Law dude, I just want the series of that so bad. I was teased, but I haven't looked up if they're actually going to do it or not. [00:05:50] Speaker B: You know, Tarantino, he gets like 20 ideas, and it's like, yeah, I'm going to do that. [00:05:53] Speaker A: I'm going to do that. [00:05:54] Speaker B: One out of every 20 happens. [00:05:56] Speaker C: That reminds me of another very energetic, creative person, Johnny. [00:06:01] Speaker B: It does. It reminds me of Todd McFarland. They're very similar, actually, in personality. [00:06:06] Speaker C: Only one of them isn't obsessed with feet. That we know of. [00:06:09] Speaker A: That we know of. And there's nothing wrong with that. [00:06:13] Speaker B: And Quentin Tarantino drinks. He's not. Definitely not straight. [00:06:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:06:17] Speaker C: Yeah, that's true. [00:06:18] Speaker B: He joys a frozen margarita hunkey, as he would say. [00:06:21] Speaker C: Quentin Tarantino definitely didn't get a large interview with the Washington Post recently. [00:06:29] Speaker A: Guess what? [00:06:30] Speaker B: Well, Tarantino's now a podcast, so it's as well he has a podcast. [00:06:34] Speaker C: Maybe we can get him on the show to talk about Spawn. [00:06:37] Speaker B: Yeah, he has a podcast with someone. I haven't really listened to it. When you spend a lot of time making a podcast, sometimes it's hard to listen to podcasts. [00:06:45] Speaker C: My podcast listening has taken a hit. I still have to have something to keep me from thinking my own thoughts all the time, though. So it's still going strong. [00:06:55] Speaker B: I thought of you, David, because you're always thinking about talking about having stuff on in the background. And when I was reading this last night, 327 and Gunslinger 25, I put on the old Godzilla channel in the background. [00:07:06] Speaker C: Nice. Who was he fighting this time? Was he the good guy or the bad humanity? [00:07:11] Speaker B: He was the bad guy. [00:07:12] Speaker A: First one. [00:07:12] Speaker B: It was the original, original 1954 japanese one. I still got to see Raymond Burr cut. [00:07:21] Speaker A: I still got to see that new one you're saying was good. [00:07:24] Speaker B: It's great. Yeah. You should check it out. [00:07:27] Speaker C: I need to go see it. Do I need to watch Shin Godzilla before I go see it, or can I go into. [00:07:32] Speaker B: No, it's unrelated. [00:07:33] Speaker A: Unrelated. Okay. [00:07:35] Speaker C: They're releasing a black and white version of it soon, aren't they? [00:07:39] Speaker B: At least in Japan? [00:07:40] Speaker C: Maybe here not just black and white, but black and white and then effect to look like it was a night. [00:07:46] Speaker A: Oh, really? Oh, that's cool. [00:07:48] Speaker B: Yeah, that's kind of cool. They might release it here. I'm assuming they will because it did so well over here. But it was great. It's like a classic Godzilla story, but done in a modern way. And he's the bad guy. And it's just like Godzilla versus humanity. And it is really good. It has a good human element to it. [00:08:09] Speaker C: So if Godzilla is the bad guy, that means that Mothra could show up. [00:08:13] Speaker B: Maybe if they make a sequel, Godzilla plus one plus one. [00:08:16] Speaker A: It could be Godzilla plus one, minus, plus one. [00:08:19] Speaker C: Yeah, it's always Wanda. Wanda is always like, is Godzilla the good guy or the bad guy in this? And the rule is, if Mothra is there, Godzilla is the bad guy. [00:08:28] Speaker B: Yeah, because Mothra is going to be the good guy. But, yeah, I was reading 327, watching the Godzilla channel, so we might as well get into it here. [00:08:35] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:08:35] Speaker B: So we've each got a copy. What cover do you have, David? [00:08:38] Speaker C: I am working with COVID B, the McFarlane, homaging his own Spider man cover. It's got haunt just, like, hanging around in the middle of a big goop splatter. Yeah, it's got the old trade dress, like the spawn mask covering up where the barcode would have gone. I don't know what this is called, but the part with the logo that always has, like, a little face or two of the people in the issue. It's a 327th all new collectors item issue. So there's at least 326 other collectors items. Johnny. It gives us a name to this miniseries that we're in that we've never heard before. Formant, part three of three. [00:09:25] Speaker A: Okay. [00:09:26] Speaker C: I wish they had put that name somewhere else, but what can you do? [00:09:30] Speaker B: What do they call it? [00:09:31] Speaker C: Formant. [00:09:32] Speaker A: Formant. [00:09:34] Speaker C: What does that mean? I honestly don't know. [00:09:38] Speaker B: Oh, no. Is it a word? Is it a real word? [00:09:40] Speaker C: Well, I mean, it's obviously something that we can say, and it's expressing some sort of torment. [00:09:48] Speaker B: Like torment with an f? [00:09:50] Speaker C: Yeah, to promote the growth or development of. Oh, no, that's foment. [00:09:55] Speaker A: Yeah, foment. That's the thing. I was like, wait a minute. That's what I keep thinking of. [00:10:00] Speaker C: It says common synonyms. Oh, no, that's also for foment. [00:10:05] Speaker A: Made up. Sounds like a made up word. That's made up. That's not real. [00:10:10] Speaker C: It's not part of the canon of vocabulary, so whatever. [00:10:13] Speaker B: Four men. [00:10:14] Speaker C: Maybe he meant four men. [00:10:18] Speaker B: T maybe he meant four or four spawns. No, four, like torment. But before. I don't know. I don't know. [00:10:26] Speaker A: The four men. Maybe it's the timeville doesn't have an. [00:10:29] Speaker B: Instagram, so we can't even add him. [00:10:31] Speaker A: Maybe it's the time before the tournament. So the tournament's gonna happen after. But this is the format. [00:10:38] Speaker C: This sounds like the kind of hard hitting journalism that the Washington we had. [00:10:42] Speaker A: To track this time down should have. [00:10:44] Speaker C: Hit the tod father with during that interview. [00:10:46] Speaker A: He had to ask the tough questions. [00:10:48] Speaker C: Who's the chain gang? What does formment mean? [00:10:51] Speaker B: I've got the a cover. [00:10:54] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, that's the one I got too. [00:10:55] Speaker B: Yeah. By Don Aguio. [00:10:57] Speaker C: Nice. [00:10:58] Speaker B: It's clown. Like two kind of split. It's like that old brain teaser where it's like the woman or the vase. [00:11:06] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:11:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:07] Speaker B: It kind of looks like that, but it's clown's face looking at spawn, and spawn's like, little and clown's huge. [00:11:13] Speaker A: Which is hilarious because clown doesn't appear at all in this. [00:11:18] Speaker B: No. Well, that's a classic spawn trope. That is that the covers never have anything to do with the actual. Sometimes they kind of do. Like David's with the haunt. [00:11:28] Speaker C: There's a long running thread in the letters page of why is what's on the COVID not in the book? And they're like, the covers are just to look cool, you guys. [00:11:39] Speaker B: People are always asking about it, but those are the covers there. And then we got to bust it open and go to the credits. We already mentioned him because he can't add him because he's smart and doesn't have an instagram. Writer Rory McConville with additional script by Todd McFarland. Carlo Barberry on art with Thomas Natchlick. I was like, oh, it's Thomas Natchlick. Switched over for those last few pages. [00:12:02] Speaker C: Yeah, it was real groovy because he. [00:12:04] Speaker B: Has that, like, they look like almost action figures like we talk about, but we'll get to him. [00:12:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:12:08] Speaker B: Tom Orchachowski did lettering as always. As 327 issues. Always. I think. [00:12:16] Speaker C: Yes. Maybe a couple more, because I think he did some of the earlier miniseries too. [00:12:21] Speaker B: Oh, nice. J. David Romlis on Colors. We already covered the covers. And Tod McFarland's creative director. And Thomas Healy is editor in chief. [00:12:34] Speaker C: Hell, yeah. [00:12:35] Speaker B: So previously in Spawn. As haunt searches for a cure to the deadly poison coursing through his veins, an uneasy alliance with Spawn may be his only hope for survival. [00:12:51] Speaker C: Yeah, that doesn't bode well for haunt, relying on Spawn isn't the best course of action. [00:12:58] Speaker B: Most times, he's usually just angry and doesn't help. [00:13:02] Speaker A: Yeah, he totally cares about your problem. [00:13:07] Speaker B: Basically, their whole scene is like, I don't give a shit if you die. [00:13:10] Speaker A: Yeah, for real. [00:13:12] Speaker C: If it works out, it's okay. But the entire time, you're just like, this is so frustrating. [00:13:17] Speaker A: He's like, yeah, the only way is for you to open that. He's like, yeah, I'm not going to do that. What else? [00:13:23] Speaker B: Yeah, anything else. What else do you need? But before we get to haunt, we open with everyone's favorite new spawn, which is hilarious with how this issue ends, because favorite new spawn. Oh, boy. [00:13:37] Speaker C: He's telling us he wants to go do a television game show. Johnny. He wants to make. [00:13:42] Speaker B: Would you call it, Logan? What would you call him? Would you call him nor Spawn? [00:13:46] Speaker A: I call him Detective Spawn. When I saw it in the other one, when it shows, like, the four of them, I was like, so what do we got here? Like, Detective Spawn, like wizard Spawn, fucking pirate spawn. And I forget what the. [00:13:59] Speaker B: He's like either pirate or revolutionary War. [00:14:02] Speaker C: It's hard to tell. The hat and the jacket just are just different enough that it could be both instead of definitively one. I call him Gumshoe Spawn just because I like calling detectives gum shoes. [00:14:14] Speaker B: We love him. We stand a legend who burns brightly and fastly. [00:14:21] Speaker C: He burns all the brighter for the quickness with which he does burn. [00:14:25] Speaker B: And so he's basically here with Cordelia, and she's fucking. Thank you for remembering her grilling him. Yeah, I remember her name. Cordelia. See, I do my homework. [00:14:35] Speaker C: Yeah. So he's like, yeah, I'll volunteer for whatever you get. I've heard that you're doing shit. I don't want to be tortured, please. [00:14:41] Speaker A: Yeah, he's like, immediately. Like, he rolls immediately. He's like, listen, I don't make a deal. [00:14:48] Speaker B: I'll do it, I swear. [00:14:49] Speaker C: Yeah. And then she reveals that they chose him just because he's very expendable. [00:14:55] Speaker A: She's basically like, listen, bro, nobody knows who you are, and you're like, probably the weakest. So that's why we chose you. We're definitely going to kill you still. [00:15:04] Speaker B: Yeah, that's why we're picking you. Which is sad. You'd think that a detective spawn would have some power, but maybe he has. [00:15:12] Speaker C: The power of observation, Johnny. [00:15:14] Speaker B: Yeah, that was, like, 1930s when. That was like. That's when detectives exist. [00:15:20] Speaker C: She walked into my office smelling of cinnamon and grief. [00:15:25] Speaker A: Yeah, he hits proficiency. Observation checks real good at elementary. [00:15:30] Speaker B: Exactly. That's what I was saying. Yeah. Logan and I play the Arkham horror board game a lot. [00:15:36] Speaker A: Right. [00:15:36] Speaker B: And there's a lot of good detective, like, these stuff in that. I think that's more 1920s, though. [00:15:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:42] Speaker B: But the. There's detectives all over that place. Yeah, this guy looks like he's a. [00:15:48] Speaker A: Little Bogarty from his hat. He's like, a spiky Bogart. [00:15:54] Speaker C: Yeah. I think there's more movie detectives in the 30s just because in the 20s it was still kind of fledgling. So maybe more detective serials like radio plays or newspaper columns. Columns. Stories. The funny papers. The funny papers, Johnny. [00:16:14] Speaker B: The funny pages. [00:16:15] Speaker A: I was sure that this lady was like a angel something situation. Until she transforms into this violator looking thing. [00:16:25] Speaker C: Until she sparkly transforms. [00:16:28] Speaker A: Yeah, she is a very sparkly. [00:16:29] Speaker B: Sparkly. [00:16:29] Speaker C: Yeah, man, she's got so many more horns, Johnny. She's hornier than the violator. [00:16:37] Speaker A: Much hornier. Much hornier. [00:16:39] Speaker C: Look at all those. Look at all those. She's got, like, twelve of them on her head. [00:16:44] Speaker B: Yeah. And four arms. Wait, yeah, four arms. [00:16:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:51] Speaker B: Maybe that's what it means by four. What was the word? [00:16:54] Speaker C: Format? [00:16:55] Speaker B: Format. It's four arms, forearm. [00:16:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm just like, what? It's also because I was like, wait. I was like, formment, firmament, foment. I was like, wait a minute. [00:17:10] Speaker C: Also on this close up panel where the fleabiek lady and Gumshu are face to face, it looks like Mama and Papa Fleabiek sprung for braces for her because her bottom jaw definitely aligns much closer to her teeth than violators do. [00:17:26] Speaker B: Has, like, a hinge in it. Yeah, she got the violator dentistry in hell. [00:17:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:31] Speaker C: Nice. And then they get interrupted by her little underlings coming in, and she has the quick. And this transition is. Oh, man, that's a rough transition. [00:17:41] Speaker A: That's like half transform version. [00:17:45] Speaker C: That's like trying to take the werewolf in London transformation and shove the dog back into the human body. [00:17:53] Speaker A: And then I'm guessing she's just, like, chilling here naked after that, because it looks like everything's ripping off and her underlings come in, and now she's just, like, chilling here naked. She's like, oh, God. What the fuck? Yeah, they're just used to it in intimidation mode. [00:18:07] Speaker C: She's got a bare shoulder up there on the top. And the modesty panel has showed up. [00:18:12] Speaker A: What is this beast, this creature that looks like an underwater planet guy? [00:18:18] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:18:19] Speaker A: That comes in. [00:18:20] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. They're like, bring in the psychic prisoner. [00:18:24] Speaker C: So obviously this group of people is just out there hunting things. Just as, if not weirder than. [00:18:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Yes. [00:18:32] Speaker B: And they're doing, like, research and experiments on them. [00:18:35] Speaker A: Comes in, gives him, like, a mind meld real quick. Yeah. [00:18:37] Speaker C: He looks like depressed John Jones, who also was a gumshoe detective in his human form. John Jones who? The Martian Manhunter. [00:18:49] Speaker B: I don't know anything about Martian Manhunter. Really? [00:18:52] Speaker C: So he's basically got all of Superman's powers, except for he can also go invisible and has, like, active camouflaging, so he can become whatever he wants to be. I always remember him fire. [00:19:04] Speaker A: I remember him from the Justice League cartoon series, and I was like, it was always pretty brutal, even then. Could you just be, like, sticking his hand and stuff through people and it's like, reincorporating? And I was like, yeah, man, yeah. [00:19:18] Speaker C: And then, so when he comes to Earth for the first time to blend in, he steals the identity of a detective and is just a detective and uses his martian powers to solve crime. It's pretty great. You should look it up. [00:19:35] Speaker B: All right, well, that's good to know. Yeah, I just remember he was floating around in one of the Justice League movies. [00:19:41] Speaker A: Yeah, he was kind of like an end credit scene thing, right in the last. [00:19:46] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, one of them, he's, like, popped up like, hello, Ben Affleck. [00:19:50] Speaker C: Yeah, he says Ben Affleck because he knows he's also one of those people that's just so ridiculously overpowered that unless you have a cosmic battle happening, he kind of has to stay out of the way or else it's over too quick. [00:20:06] Speaker B: Yeah, well, it's good to know. I just never really encountered him in any comic books or anything. [00:20:10] Speaker A: That's, like, one of my favorite parts of the ridiculousness of any sort of huge superhero encounter in a world where, you know, there's a shitload of other superheroes and there's only, like, one of them dealing with it despite them being, like, best friends or whatever, in a group that deals with catastrophic events. And they're like, nah, he's got this one, though. They're like, nah, don't worry about it. [00:20:35] Speaker C: Think about the pressure it would be to perform in that situation and be like, wait, Superman says, I have this by myself. Oh, boy. Yeah. [00:20:44] Speaker A: All right. [00:20:45] Speaker C: Like Batman, if Batman says, you've got this, that just means you don't have to do any thinking. You can just punch your way. [00:20:50] Speaker A: Yeah, just punch it. This is what cracked me up about. I remember when I was watching the forgettable second Thor movie, and I was like, they just established the Avengers, and this is happening on earth, but all of them are like, nah, it's like a world ending event. He's like, no worries, he's got it. [00:21:11] Speaker C: Well, the Avengers are a firmly american franchise. [00:21:14] Speaker A: That's true. If it's not american ball. [00:21:17] Speaker C: So they aren't going to help the Brits with any of the bullshit. They got. Yeah, they gave up that. Right. 260 some years ago. [00:21:28] Speaker B: Yeah. It's funny, but it's very much in the tradition of comics where. Yeah, obviously, they would all help each other all the time, but if you want to have individual stories, you can't do that, because Spawn and scorch, they don't match up exactly. They happen at the same place or different places at different. Why. The continuity is just like, if they're not doing it right, then that means it happened at a different time. [00:21:54] Speaker C: As Thomas Healy would say, batman can be in space with the Justice League and in Gotham City beating up punks in the alleys at the same time, because that's how comics. So. [00:22:06] Speaker B: Right. [00:22:06] Speaker C: Keep your pants on. Come on. It's fine. [00:22:09] Speaker A: It's fine. [00:22:09] Speaker C: It's a fun time. [00:22:11] Speaker B: So this is where we're introduced to haunt who logan was kind of the first attempt to expand Spawn's universe, I guess. Kind of, yeah. [00:22:20] Speaker C: Back in. Was it the early 2000s? [00:22:23] Speaker B: It was, like, early to mid 2000s. He was created by Todd McFarland. It was McFarland. [00:22:29] Speaker C: Was it Jonathan Hickman? [00:22:31] Speaker B: It was the guy who did walking dead, I think. [00:22:33] Speaker C: Kirkman. [00:22:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:34] Speaker C: Yeah. Robert Kirkman. [00:22:35] Speaker B: Yeah. And he's a catholic priest who's haunted by his brother, who is kind of, like. I don't know. He kind of, like, shoots haunt, like, things. [00:22:45] Speaker A: Looks like he's kind of got. I don't know. Did you guys ever, by chance, watch a Yu Hakusho? [00:22:52] Speaker C: No, I did not. [00:22:53] Speaker A: There's, like, a character that can expand his body and do it, but he uses his fingers as, like, stabby projectiles, and they just shoot out super long, and it looks exactly kind of, like, the art on the. [00:23:08] Speaker B: He shoots, like, needley. He's, like, needy. [00:23:09] Speaker A: Yeah, it's, like, needley stab stuff. Yeah. [00:23:13] Speaker B: They're making a live action uu hockey show on Netflix. [00:23:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I watched it. [00:23:17] Speaker B: Oh, you did? [00:23:17] Speaker A: It was pretty know. I don't know. It was pretty good. But it kind of condenses, like, two seasons and leaves. It kind of does injustice to a lot of characters. I thought that were really cool and kind of lets down the climax of certain battles in a rush to just, I guess, make it more high speed of a pace for a first season. But it's like, basically, they condense, like, two seasons into five episodes. I'm like, what? It looked cool, and it was, like, the fighting and the movement and the visuals were very cool, but I'm like, man, now it assassinated two characters, basically, in a way, of their build. So I was just like, all right, whatever. It's okay. [00:24:01] Speaker C: That's kind of what they did with the live action version of one piece. But that's also because 90% of every one piece episode is just filler. That first piece of the live action covered six or seven or so episodes of one piece. [00:24:18] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:24:18] Speaker B: Wow. [00:24:19] Speaker C: Because the first episode of the anime covers, like, three minutes of real time. And that's it. [00:24:26] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, classic. That's just such a classic anime thing. For sure. It's like the famous DBZ five minutes on Namek battle with Frieza that it's like six episodes or. [00:24:39] Speaker C: Yeah. Each boss fight has to be at least three or four episodes, so that way it can be like a week long arc for when you come home at school. [00:24:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:51] Speaker B: It kind of reminds me of some of the gunslinger stuff with Tod McFarlane, though. He does those, like, three issue fights. We had a couple of those. [00:24:58] Speaker C: The big fight between Gunslinger and clown, where Taylor rides in to save the day on the back of a dinosaur and had to smash through, like, four different walls to get there. [00:25:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:11] Speaker C: So good. [00:25:11] Speaker B: That's what's so funny is, like, two issues before this in Gunslinger 23, we're having, like, goofy dinosaurs fighting on this island. And then in Gunslinger 25 is, like. [00:25:21] Speaker A: A really dark, terrible, deeply revenge motivated. Yeah. Just like, torturous. Yeah. Truly just like a murder, everyone. It's like, just a classic old western. It's like, I'm going to roll in here and, oh, these are just your, like, you know, nothing. [00:25:42] Speaker C: Well, speaking of issues, long fights, Johnny, we're rolling here with the fight that began at the end of the last issue between the vampires and iris and spawn. [00:25:52] Speaker B: Right. [00:25:53] Speaker C: And we're getting the Daniel Kilgore being. [00:25:56] Speaker A: Like, so these are vampires? See, that's what I was like. So is this guy, like, guy. [00:26:04] Speaker C: They're heavenly vampires. [00:26:06] Speaker A: Heavenly vampires. Okay. [00:26:08] Speaker C: Which is, they're sort of, like outcasts from both their people because the vampires are largely associated with the hell team. But these are angel vampires. [00:26:20] Speaker A: So were they like, they were angels first who became vampires? Basically. [00:26:23] Speaker C: I think they're. They're literally an angel witch. [00:26:28] Speaker A: They look very dope. [00:26:32] Speaker C: But, yeah. So Daniel Kilgore is just given his background while he's beating the crap out of some people. The first woman he ever loved left him and married his brother. [00:26:42] Speaker A: Yeah, that was a brutal. [00:26:46] Speaker C: And the same brother that he is now haunted by. [00:26:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:52] Speaker C: Daniel Kilgore just has it rough, man. The first time we see him in Spawn's universe, he gets stabbed to. [00:27:00] Speaker A: I want to know the backstory that I'm like, since he was a priest. Or was he just, like, doing a creepy, like, oh, I love this woman, but I'm a priest. And then his brother just marries her, but it says she left him, so there is an implication that they were together. [00:27:14] Speaker B: Maybe that's why he became a priest. [00:27:16] Speaker A: Yeah, maybe that's why he was like, fuck this. [00:27:18] Speaker C: The fact that she died tragically in a chaotic battle with a psychotic mean. I want to read that story. A chaotic battle with a psychotic cult. [00:27:26] Speaker A: Speaking of an Arkham horror plot. [00:27:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:30] Speaker C: And then he thought he would never love again. That's the saddest thing, Johnny. He almost didn't believe in love after love. He couldn't. He couldn't feel something inside him. Say he really don't think he's strong. [00:27:44] Speaker B: Think he's strong enough. Put on a little vocal. You should put a little vocal fryer thing to your little auto tune. That was, like, the first auto tune that I remember. Or was it really? [00:27:55] Speaker C: Yeah, they talked about it on the radio a couple of weeks ago. I feel like. [00:28:00] Speaker A: Wasn't Cher the first auto tune? That's what you're talking about. [00:28:06] Speaker C: It's very exciting. And then, well, haunt met Lydia. Well, that didn't work out very well. [00:28:13] Speaker A: So. [00:28:14] Speaker B: Yeah, she basically, in a little side story, in one of the issues, takes a bunch of knives and stabs into a wall. [00:28:22] Speaker C: It's brutal. [00:28:23] Speaker B: Poisons. [00:28:24] Speaker C: Like they're having a picnic, and they're like, oh, no, we ran out of food. Let's go back to your place and make some lunch. He was like, okay. And then the next thing he knows. [00:28:34] Speaker B: Stabbed the wall with a thousand knives. [00:28:37] Speaker C: I do like that. They make this angel vampire lady is Lydia of the thousand knives. [00:28:46] Speaker A: Yeah. This is a very cool shot of her just, like, hovering up, and him just kind of, like, over the shoulder looking back. [00:28:52] Speaker B: Yeah, no, they're pretty cool looking. I like their. [00:29:00] Speaker A: They look very much like if you were, like, a demon hunter in Diablo and got some very dope armor or something. [00:29:09] Speaker C: Yeah. And then Spawn's just over there chaining up the other angel vampires. Just doing his thing. [00:29:16] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:29:16] Speaker C: Blasting, fighting. [00:29:18] Speaker A: He's too unwanning. Just. No worries. [00:29:21] Speaker B: He's got his big old boot he's looking for. He's trying to protect Iris. He needs to help find. Right? [00:29:28] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:29:29] Speaker A: What's the deal with Iris? [00:29:30] Speaker B: She's, like, the first time. [00:29:32] Speaker A: I didn't count her. Okay. [00:29:34] Speaker B: She's like his little partner, and he's becoming sin the bad guy. [00:29:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:40] Speaker B: Okay, so Cogliostro is, like, Spawn's mentor for a while. [00:29:44] Speaker A: He was, like, angel before, right? [00:29:46] Speaker B: He was a hell spawn. He's been, like, all over the place. [00:29:49] Speaker C: He was Cain from the Bible. The first murder. [00:29:52] Speaker A: That's what it. Yeah, that's what it was. I was like. He was some kind of biblical. Yeah, yeah. [00:29:57] Speaker B: But he is the first hellspawn. And he flip flop sides and help people and hurt people. He's just kind of a Ben Linus s character. [00:30:06] Speaker A: Okay, so is he looking to try to set on the throne of. [00:30:11] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, he's wanted that forever. [00:30:13] Speaker C: Yes. [00:30:13] Speaker B: And the violator hates him because they work together on the symbiote. [00:30:17] Speaker C: And also he's a human. So the violator human, this vampire angel here, is trying to convince spawn of stuff, and he's just not there for it. He's just, like, split. [00:30:31] Speaker A: Literally. He's like, I don't really care about this. I just know that I need her to get to a person. I need. So whatever. [00:30:37] Speaker C: Wait, never mind. It's iris that cuts the lady's throat, not spawn. Correction. Because she's, like, sneaking up in the background. And you can only see her little eyes and her knife. She's almost. She almost looks a little bit like Gollum there. Coming out of. [00:30:53] Speaker A: Oh, yes. [00:30:54] Speaker C: Coming out. [00:30:54] Speaker A: I didn't even catch that the first time. [00:30:56] Speaker B: I didn't either. [00:30:58] Speaker C: I didn't until just now. Hey, we're good readers of books, guys. Good readers of books. [00:31:04] Speaker B: That's some intense detail. [00:31:06] Speaker C: Yeah, man, she's so creepy there. [00:31:09] Speaker A: Because look at her eyes. [00:31:12] Speaker C: The shing on her knife blade there. [00:31:16] Speaker B: Old lady with a knife. Old lady will kill you. Did you guys ever see that last night in Soho? The Edgar Wright movie? [00:31:23] Speaker A: No. I heard it was good. [00:31:24] Speaker B: It's pretty good, but okay, never mind. Spoiler alert. [00:31:30] Speaker A: Spoilers. I mean, whatever you can say. [00:31:33] Speaker B: No, there's just a cool old lady with a knife in it at some point. [00:31:35] Speaker C: God damn it, Johnny. How dare you say such a thing. Yeah, I was going to watch that. [00:31:41] Speaker A: That's it. [00:31:43] Speaker C: Now that I know. [00:31:44] Speaker B: Now I know. [00:31:45] Speaker A: There's a cool. [00:31:46] Speaker B: Actually that makes you want to watch it more, right? [00:31:48] Speaker A: Yeah, that's true. [00:31:51] Speaker C: Much more than my friend's dad, who, when we sat down to watch the shining for the first time, he was like, oh, just wait until you get to the gray bush. It's like, what? It's like gray Bush. There's gray bush in it. [00:32:03] Speaker B: Oh, my God. He means, like, the old lady's bush. [00:32:10] Speaker A: Just wait till you get. [00:32:13] Speaker B: Your friend's dad said that when you were kid. [00:32:15] Speaker C: Yeah, we were watching it in high school because my buddy was doing one of those things where you read a book and then you watch a movie, and then you had to write a paper about it for english class. [00:32:25] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:32:25] Speaker C: And it was like, you want to come watch the shining with me? And I was like, sure. And then his dad, like, would a couple of times was like, did you get there yet? Damn. Poke his head into the room. [00:32:40] Speaker A: He's like, did you get there yet? No, I don't see any boners. [00:32:43] Speaker C: He was so excited for us to see the naked old lady. [00:32:46] Speaker A: Oh, my God. That's so funny. [00:32:49] Speaker B: That's creepy as hell. [00:32:50] Speaker A: That part it is too. [00:32:52] Speaker C: Yeah. Shining. Controversial opinion. Shining is a pretty good movie. It's not bad. [00:33:00] Speaker B: Pretty good. Sorry. Stephen King. I know. He hates it. Sorry. [00:33:03] Speaker A: He does hate it. [00:33:04] Speaker B: Because I think my theory is that because it's about him wanting to kill his family, and he's not redeemed at the end, like, in the book. And it's like, I think Kubrick got us something. He's like, Stephen King hates his fucking family. [00:33:18] Speaker A: And really lead into like, no, I don't. No, I don't. [00:33:21] Speaker B: No, I don't. Because in the book, the father has, like, a change of heart and rescues everybody. And they all get there safely. [00:33:27] Speaker C: But in the movie. In the movie, he's irredeemable because he kills Scatman's scruthers. [00:33:32] Speaker B: Yeah, it's awful. [00:33:34] Speaker C: So there's no coming back from that. You can't kill Scatman and expect to be. [00:33:37] Speaker B: You can't kill Stephen King. [00:33:39] Speaker A: You can't kill Scatman. [00:33:44] Speaker B: He always has one. [00:33:45] Speaker C: Oh, man. Danny's fighting with Lydia again, and it's very evil dead at this moment. Like, you're not Linda. Shut up. [00:33:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:55] Speaker A: Oh, Ashley. It was that fire when we were together. What a burn, dude. Like, I stabbed you with a thousand knives because I was bored. [00:34:03] Speaker B: Yeah, man. [00:34:07] Speaker C: This is why you never want to run into your ex. [00:34:09] Speaker B: So they tell him that the antidotes in heaven, the only way you get there is open the dead zone. So it seems like they're trying to trick spawn. [00:34:16] Speaker A: It's definitely obviously a trick. [00:34:18] Speaker B: For sure. [00:34:18] Speaker A: It's like. He's like, oh, yeah, we need these open. That's definitely the only place you can get it. [00:34:23] Speaker C: I think the mon calamari said it best. Johnny, when they said, it's a trap, it's a trap. That's specifically Admiral Akbar mon Calamari comes to the tongue faster than Admiral Akbar. Johnny, I'm forgetting names. I'm forgetting. [00:34:41] Speaker B: Are we talking about Raddus? Raddus is the big blue one from Rogue one. I like Raddus. [00:34:46] Speaker A: Rogue. What? [00:34:47] Speaker C: I think there was the one in Rogue. [00:34:49] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:34:49] Speaker C: I think there was a Jedi apprentice in the Clone wars that was. [00:34:54] Speaker B: There's a couple. [00:34:55] Speaker A: Yeah, there's a couple that has definitely been seen, man. [00:34:58] Speaker C: Are you a Clone wars person? Logan? [00:35:01] Speaker A: I never watched the Clone Wars. I didn't watch any of the animated stuff, really. I tried to go back and watch. I think it was the clone wars that was on. I don't know. For weirdly, like, certain animated stuff, if I have a problem with the animation style, it just takes me so out of it. Like, I can't get over it. I don't know what it is, but it was, like, a combination of that and how it was moving slowly. [00:35:24] Speaker C: Okay. [00:35:25] Speaker A: And I've heard a lot of people say the earlier clone wars that were, like, the five minute ones that were back on Cartoon Network are good, but I haven't seen any of those. I just tried to watch the new ones that are on Disney and everything, and they're like, the 30 minutes episodes, and I don't know, man. I just couldn't get into it. I even tried to look up a compendium of best Clone wars episodes to watch for this and that, and I was just like, some of those were cool, but I don't know. It annoyed me because I'm like, God damn it, I want to know all the lore, though. But I'm just like, I couldn't, in practice, actually get it done of watching them. I don't know. [00:36:01] Speaker C: I can tell you right now, the best Clone wars episode ever is the one where c three Po and R fall into a hole and are stuck in the middle of a planet. And then when they get free, c three Po takes credit for all of the cool shit that they found, even though r is the one that did all the work, and r is just, like, fuming. But nobody's listening to him because only half the people can understand protocol talk, or, like, you can only understand your. [00:36:30] Speaker A: Own Protocol, some random beeps and boops to me. [00:36:34] Speaker C: Fucking c three po. How dare you? How dare you? [00:36:38] Speaker B: I always like the one where Jar Jar Binks is a Jedi, or they. [00:36:41] Speaker C: Think he's a Jedi, where he's the dark Jedi. [00:36:43] Speaker B: No, he's not a dark Jedi. He's a good a. [00:36:46] Speaker C: There's an Internet conspiracy. [00:36:49] Speaker B: No, I know that. But the episode. He's a good. [00:36:51] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Well, he is like the representative from Naboo. [00:36:57] Speaker A: He's like a senator. Yeah. [00:37:00] Speaker B: I mean, the Clone wars are arguably his fault. He gave the final vote to. [00:37:04] Speaker C: Yeah, that's true. Every time jar jar shows up in the Clone wars, it's just he fumbles around and somehow gets to the right answer, even though he falls his way through it. Whatever. [00:37:17] Speaker B: Well, while we're on the subject, Star Wars Episode two, I want to say last year you gave me shit that we didn't invite you for our Star Wars Episode one episode. So this year or next year, Logan, this is me officially inviting you to be our guest for Star Wars Episode two. [00:37:32] Speaker C: Hell yeah. That's. This is the Dexter Jetster year, too. [00:37:35] Speaker B: Star Wars Episode two, sometime in April, because our bid is that every year we're going to do an episode. Star Wars Day. [00:37:44] Speaker A: I mean, there's a good hour of that movie you could just cut away and not worry about it. [00:37:49] Speaker B: We're going to talk about it. [00:37:51] Speaker A: It's the worst of the prequels, I think. But, I mean, it's still better than all the new sequels. [00:37:57] Speaker C: When we covered the first one, Johnny was like, I have this movie memorized. And so I was like, scrubbing through and he was, yeah, that happens. And then this and then this. And then he would, like, quote a conversation. [00:38:08] Speaker A: Yeah, it's funny, I remember not having, for some reason, I didn't get the soundtrack for the first, like Phantom Menace, but I remember going to Borders books and they had that music section, too. And I remember getting the soundtrack for episode two specifically. And it was the only one of the prequels that I, for some reason, got. But as a kid, I would remember just like, putting that on in my room and listening to the John Williams score for the soundtrack. It was good. [00:38:42] Speaker B: Across the. Yeah, the love theme. [00:38:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:45] Speaker C: So my dad had the vinyl soundtrack, and the first time that we ever listened to it, he was like, your uncle made this? Because my uncle's name is John and I believed him for like three years. [00:38:56] Speaker A: Oh, man. Although you're, like, asking your uncle about it. [00:39:02] Speaker C: But if I had thought about it, my uncle would have been like, twelve when the movie. [00:39:08] Speaker B: He's a prodigy. [00:39:10] Speaker A: He's a prodigy. Yeah. [00:39:12] Speaker C: I don't even think he would ever use the word prodigy to describe himself, unfortunately, no. Not related to the cool guy who does scores for apology movies at cost because Chevy Chase is an asshole. [00:39:32] Speaker A: What? [00:39:33] Speaker C: Home alone. That was a home alone reference. [00:39:35] Speaker A: That's an apology movie. [00:39:36] Speaker C: Yeah, because Chris Columbus got fired from Chris's vacation. Chevy Chase didn't like him for some reason. John Dees was like, I'll write you an apology movie. And the apology movie, nice. [00:39:49] Speaker A: Dude, I got tricked so hard this week with that home alone, the fake trailer for the Macaulay Culkin, like, 30 years later home alone sequel that they put together. And it was teased by being like, the Sticky Bandits. Get out of prison for whatever. And I was like, dude, wait, what? Please give me that movie, though. I was just like, I really do want to see. [00:40:11] Speaker C: But the main question would be, what does Marv change their name to when they get out of prison from being the sticky Bandit? Oh, yeah. What's the next evolution from what to. [00:40:22] Speaker A: Sticky of the sticky? The wet to sticky? [00:40:25] Speaker B: I don't. Yeah, the digital Bandits. [00:40:30] Speaker A: The dry Bandits, the NFT Bandits. I want it, though. [00:40:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. I heard about it because I knew it was fake, but it was very well done. [00:40:40] Speaker C: This is the first time hearing of it. [00:40:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Look up home alone three trailer. [00:40:45] Speaker C: But there is a home alone three. There's even a home alone four. [00:40:48] Speaker A: There is a. Technically, there's a four. I didn't even know there was a four. [00:40:55] Speaker B: They made a bunch of direct to tv ones. [00:40:58] Speaker A: I know there was the three with, like, the different kid was French. [00:41:01] Speaker C: Stewart was in home alone four. [00:41:03] Speaker B: He plays Marv. Yeah. [00:41:05] Speaker A: Nah, man. [00:41:06] Speaker C: Hot take home two. [00:41:07] Speaker A: The only that exists. [00:41:11] Speaker B: All right, so we have home alone from 1990. Home alone two. Hold on. Sorry. Fuck you, Wikipedia. I'm not giving you any money. Home alone two from 1992. We all know Home Alone three came out in 1997. And then Home Alone four came out in November in 2002 as a television film. And then there's another television film called Home Alone, the Holiday Heist. And then there's another home alone film called Home Sweet Home Alone. [00:41:46] Speaker A: Wait, so in the third one were Joe Pesci. That were the original bandits. Actually. Still in the third one, too. I never saw it. [00:41:54] Speaker B: No, Home Alone three has nothing to do with the bandits. It's just like its own thing. [00:41:59] Speaker A: Okay. [00:42:00] Speaker C: Yeah, I thought it was another kid somewhere else had to defend his home from some burglars. [00:42:08] Speaker A: Alternate universe. What? [00:42:09] Speaker B: It is. [00:42:12] Speaker C: Home Alone wild. Good movie. [00:42:16] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a good Christmas movie to watch. [00:42:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:18] Speaker C: For real? For real. [00:42:19] Speaker A: I'm going to have to watch that this year. It's been a minute since I've watched any of those. [00:42:23] Speaker B: I watched it a few years ago. [00:42:25] Speaker C: I learned that Wanda had never seen it, and so I made her watch it this year. [00:42:28] Speaker A: Oh, man. [00:42:29] Speaker C: Her verdict was, it was cute. [00:42:32] Speaker A: It was cute. [00:42:33] Speaker B: It is cute. [00:42:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:34] Speaker B: The whole reason John Williams did the music for that was, I guess someone who worked on it knew. [00:42:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:42:40] Speaker B: And was like, I think Johnny would really like this because everyone that knows him calls him Johnny. I think Johnny would like, he loves Christmas. He loves children. I think he would really enjoy this movie. And they showed it to him. He's like, absolutely, I'll do the like, that's cool. He said that that really made the. And Chris Columbus attributes a lot of how it works and how it works to the score. [00:43:02] Speaker A: Which one is the favorite one or two? [00:43:06] Speaker B: One. [00:43:08] Speaker C: I think the only good part about the second one is fucking Tim Curry is the bellhouse. [00:43:13] Speaker B: No, the two is fun. [00:43:14] Speaker A: No, two is great. But as a kid, I would have 100% said two. That was the one that I feel like we watched more and that I actually liked more because it was a newer one. Yeah. But in retrospect, as an adult, going back and watching them like, yeah, one's definitely better. [00:43:30] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, two is fun. I love the kind of a power fantasy of the hotel and the toy store. [00:43:39] Speaker A: The giant toy store was like, the thing that I was like, oh, my. Is this is the dream as a, like, I was like, where does that exist? I want to go like, since we're. [00:43:50] Speaker C: On the tangent, they were talking on the radio about John Williams's music and about how much of a badass he is and that apparently all of the themes from hook are much more lyrical than a lot of his others because hook was originally supposed to be a musical. [00:44:07] Speaker A: Really? Oh, I didn't know that. [00:44:09] Speaker C: The score is just the musical numbers readapted without words, so that's why they're so good. They're so good. [00:44:18] Speaker B: Yeah. It was supposed to be almost a stage musical at first and then became a film, and then it became not. [00:44:23] Speaker C: A musical, and then it became a treatise of reckoning with the bad dad. [00:44:28] Speaker B: Then it became a movie that scared the shit out of John Fisher as a child. [00:44:32] Speaker A: Really? [00:44:32] Speaker B: Yeah, the hook part. My parents were going through a divorce. There was a part where hook came. [00:44:37] Speaker A: When he scrapes down the wall and there's just like all of very, that was kind of intense, for sure. Like a kid thing. [00:44:43] Speaker C: I mean, I personally was scared of crocodiles falling on me for like, even if I don't see a crocodile, I'm scared that it's going to eat me. [00:44:55] Speaker A: Man. [00:44:55] Speaker C: That movie Maggie have to save then. But then Lydia just jumps away. She's like, okay, bye. [00:45:06] Speaker B: Yeah, she leaves and then Iris leaves. Everyone leaves. [00:45:09] Speaker C: Everyone leaves. [00:45:10] Speaker A: She really does. Yeah. [00:45:12] Speaker C: Spot is, like, actively reaching out to touch Iris's shoulder, and she just, like, flames away. And then Daniel Kilgore comes over, and he's like, you could open the dead zones. [00:45:23] Speaker A: He's like, hey, what's the deal with these things? It's where my cure is, apparently. And he's like, yeah, technically, I could do it. Not going to do it. [00:45:32] Speaker C: Kurt's like, he's not going to do it. And then you turn the page, and spawn's like, yeah, I'm not going to do that. Like we said before, it's just. He's like, a, I don't give a shit about you. B, you're not fucking more important than the whole rest of the world. [00:45:48] Speaker A: Yeah, he's like, you're some guy who, like, I don't really even know. Whatever. [00:45:53] Speaker C: Al Simmons, obviously, on that Vulcan tip, where it's logically the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the many or the one. [00:45:59] Speaker B: It's true. [00:46:01] Speaker A: And then he's like, here, you can figure it out by scouring the earth. He's like, what? Your solution is just to go figure it out somewhere on earth. [00:46:11] Speaker B: Yes. Go do superhero shit. [00:46:13] Speaker A: Yeah. He's like, hey, listen, you'll figure it out. [00:46:16] Speaker C: I'd like the idea of, if Spawn didn't help him eventually, the idea of just there being a new haunt series where he just has a series of elaborate Indiana Jones style adventures trying to find the cure for his disease. [00:46:30] Speaker A: It's interesting, too, because when she was in the fight, she's, like, telling him basically that she poisoned him because they wanted to take the suit from him. And if she didn't let the poison run a certain amount, of course it would be destroyed as well. [00:46:48] Speaker C: Yeah. If it was too poisonous, it would kill the suit. But if they killed him instead of letting it infect the suit, then the suit would just find a new person, and they'd have to start all over again. [00:47:01] Speaker B: Also, it turns out that the poisoning of haunt and telling him it's in heaven is a trick to get Swan to open the dead zones. And eventually, for some reason, he's an idiot and does that. [00:47:11] Speaker A: He does it well. [00:47:13] Speaker B: He has to go to heaven for a weapon to kill Kaguyostro. So he's like, haunt? [00:47:16] Speaker A: Yeah. He's like, sure, we can go get. [00:47:17] Speaker B: That thing 1 st. And then things exacerbate. They get the dead zones ripped, so it causes the big war that's going on right now. [00:47:25] Speaker C: We are still reckoning with those consequences. Another tangent, Johnny. Did you read this week's episode of Spawn yet? [00:47:31] Speaker B: I haven't read it yet. I'm going to read it after this, God damn it. [00:47:34] Speaker C: I'm going to know when you read it because you're going to fucking text me and you're going to be like, holy shit. [00:47:39] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Yeah, I was going to read it last night, but I had to read. [00:47:42] Speaker C: These tired, you had to read Spawn for the Spawn podcast? What a burden. [00:47:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I couldn't read the other spawn because I was reading Spawn for the spawn podcast. That's when you know you're in trouble. [00:47:56] Speaker C: Which spawn am I reading today? [00:47:58] Speaker B: Sometimes I feel like, like, ah, like juggling issues and screaming. [00:48:02] Speaker A: It's a real spunundrum. [00:48:04] Speaker C: Yeah, I have nightmares sometimes about me coming to the podcast, having read the completely wrong issues and not knowing what's going on and being like, johnny, what's happening? It's the new. You showed up for a class in college that you didn't go to all semester, and you learned you're failing, and you're like, what the. I just learned about this class today, dude. [00:48:27] Speaker B: I had that dream so many times that sometimes I think it, yeah, dude. [00:48:31] Speaker A: It happened to me. [00:48:32] Speaker B: Really? [00:48:33] Speaker A: Yeah. I literally was, like, taking a creative writing class, and it was, like, killing the class. And I was like, this is awesome. This is what I wanted to do. I was going to go for creative writing, but they wouldn't let me write genre fiction. And I wanted to write, like, science fiction, creative writing, fantasy, and they literally would not let me. They were like, yeah, you have to just write nonfiction or straight fiction. And I was like, that's not what I want to do. And so I didn't get that degree because literally that. But I did the creative writing class. I was taking it, and then the midterms got posted, and I went and checked my midterms, and it said it was an f. And I was like, what the shit? And so I went and got, like, I met the creative writing director as she was, like, walking up the stairs, and I was like, hey, what's the deal? I saw that it was an f. And she was like, yeah, I noticed that when I went to put in your grades, you weren't on my class list. And you were like, in my ta's class, apparently. And so on my first day of that class, I went to where the class was supposed to be, but I didn't read. The change of class on the door had happened, and it just so happened the class I walked into was also an intro creative writing class. It was just the honors version instead of the regular version. And so I'd just been doing the honors class for half a year, and she was like, well, you're, like, killing the class, so if you want, you've just been taking my class. You can just keep going to my class, and I'll just give my grades to her. I was like, yeah, okay. That's what I would rather do. And so I just finished the honors creative writing class, but just got the grade for the regular one, and I was like, well, okay, as long as I'm not having f on my fucking transcript. [00:50:11] Speaker C: But holy shit, dude. [00:50:13] Speaker A: Yeah, it was ridiculous. [00:50:17] Speaker C: Well, at least you had your pants on, because, I mean, yeah, that would be the ultimate. If you also had the pants list dream come true, then something would be wrong. [00:50:27] Speaker A: I was like, what the fuck? Yeah. Oh, man, it freaked me out so hard. I was like, wait, an f what? [00:50:35] Speaker B: So sponge just basically keeps telling haunt, you're going to die. I don't care. Everybody dies. [00:50:42] Speaker A: Everybody dies. Superheroes, usually before other people, and everybody hurts sometimes. I like how he just also just throws him up with some. He comes for him and he's like, yeah, whatever, guy. He just grabs him with chains. He's like, shut up. Like, smash. [00:51:03] Speaker C: And then slams him on the ground. [00:51:05] Speaker A: And then he's like, yeah. On second thoughts, I guess I do need kind of an army of dudes if something goes down, so. Yeah, sure. Okay. [00:51:13] Speaker C: So we leave the brothers Kilgore deciding what they want to do. [00:51:18] Speaker A: I love the line. He retreats into the cold shadows that swallow him, allowing him to disappear. [00:51:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:51:24] Speaker B: Yoink. [00:51:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:26] Speaker C: That's much more poetic than shadow blasting, which is what we call it. [00:51:31] Speaker A: Shadow blasts out there. [00:51:33] Speaker C: We have yet to see shadow blast be canonical in text. I'm hoping we can get that changed. And then. Speaking of. [00:51:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:45] Speaker C: Holy shit, Johnny. I just realized that last night when I reread this, I skipped this page. [00:51:53] Speaker B: All of this. [00:51:54] Speaker A: Oh, really? [00:51:56] Speaker C: I totally didn't reread, like, just these first two Thomas Natchlick pages. [00:52:01] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:52:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:52:03] Speaker B: So basically, there's a senator who kind of sounds like, I don't know, right leaning kind of guy. He's talking about the soul of the country. [00:52:10] Speaker C: I mean, he might be a piece of shit, Johnny, but I can guarantee you he's a better senator on actual going to the floor than Senator Longinus. What was his name? [00:52:22] Speaker B: Senator Terminus. [00:52:23] Speaker C: Terminal, man, I told you I'm bad with names. Terminus isn't as funny of a name as Spear of Longinus. [00:52:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:31] Speaker B: There's an evil senator in the scorch that gets the spear of Longinus, the Jesus spear. [00:52:36] Speaker C: It's the spoilers. It's the same spear that Indiana Jones is looking for at the beginning of Isle of Destiny. [00:52:43] Speaker A: It's also in Hellboy. [00:52:45] Speaker C: Yeah, I think so. [00:52:46] Speaker B: I think it's also in Hellboy. Yeah. The spear that stabbed Jesus. [00:52:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:53] Speaker B: But this guy's yelling because there's all these spawn protests. So basically in the press a few months before. [00:52:59] Speaker A: So what's the deal that happened? Because the first thing I read, they were, like, when Lieutenant Colonel Simmons made his big reveal or whatever, he came out the lid on angels and demons and stuff, basically. Yeah. [00:53:13] Speaker B: He came onto this shock djs like tv, this Fox News pundits, tv show. As spawn or himself as himself. [00:53:23] Speaker C: Because he had been talking like he had been pirate radioing, being like, I'm Lieutenant Colonel Al Simmons, and this is the nonsense that's going on in the government right now. And then on this pundit show, he's like, oh, and also he transforms in Swan. [00:53:39] Speaker A: That's cool. [00:53:40] Speaker B: And so there's all these marches. People are losing their minds because he revealed himself to the world and that he revealed that there are, like, angels and demons in the government. [00:53:51] Speaker C: Yeah, angels and demons. Not just the Tom Hanks movie anymore. [00:53:55] Speaker B: Not just an excellent Dan Brown novel anymore. [00:53:58] Speaker A: And then you get the return of fucking detective spawn here. [00:54:04] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:05] Speaker A: As, like, a mind controlled goon. I'm assuming he's fully mind controlled, or is he just, like, agreed to their terms? [00:54:11] Speaker C: What do you think? I'm assuming right now, he's fully mind controlled, which is their foolproof fallback plan to make sure he doesn't. [00:54:21] Speaker B: You get the lizard man to mind control him. [00:54:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:25] Speaker A: All right. Don't lick that. Both cats are now deciding to try to get over here on the table. Hey, chill out, Batman. [00:54:33] Speaker B: That's hilarious. Yeah. So he sends these soldiers who are in spawn masks, to shoot up this crowd. [00:54:43] Speaker C: It's like the spawn version of the j. [00:54:45] Speaker A: Like a false flag. [00:54:46] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like a false flag operation, basically, to make it seem like spawns. [00:54:51] Speaker A: Out here, like, murdering. Yeah. [00:54:53] Speaker B: And you get this crazy fucking assassin guy. Assassin guy? Yeah. His name's Abbot, but he's hilarious. [00:55:01] Speaker C: He's wearing the same armor that the angels. [00:55:05] Speaker B: The vampire angels are wearing. Yeah, I love his eye patch. [00:55:08] Speaker A: Yeah. He's, like, looking to me like a classic, like, halfling rogue in this draw up here. I'm just like, he's a halfling rogue with a gun. He's about to snake attack. [00:55:20] Speaker C: This is what he does between breakfast. Yeah, he's like, first breakfast, kill a guy. Second breakfast, they need the money shot. Johnny shot that they can pass around to all the pundits. And then after they get it, rip detective Spawn. Oh, boy, he's got a camera. [00:55:46] Speaker B: Going to be one of those creepy pastas or YouTube videos you can find of people dying on camera. [00:55:53] Speaker A: So what's the deal, though? Is that for sure dead or can't spawn? Like the regenerator takes some damage? Or is this one just too weak? [00:56:01] Speaker B: Too weak, I think. You think he's dead. [00:56:04] Speaker C: He's so weak, he makes gunslinger the canonically weakest hellspawn look like a fucking champion. Like she said. Since I invoked hook earlier, much like Rufio, I remember there being more detective spawn than there actually was. [00:56:23] Speaker A: Yeah. When you said that at the beginning, you were like, there's a lot of detective Spawn. I was like, I remember him once. I forgot, actually, about this end bit, which is even the more I feel, like, important. I remember earlier when they had him just, like, chained up and we're talking to him. I totally forgot the end part, which is even bigger. Deal. [00:56:43] Speaker B: So as of now, to answer your question, he is dead. [00:56:47] Speaker A: Dead. [00:56:47] Speaker B: De D. He hasn't been back. Ded the other day, literally, on the issue we just covered, they pan across a bunch of dead spawns, and there's like, a punk spawn. There was a samurai spawn. What else? Samurai spawn. [00:57:03] Speaker A: There's like the ninja spawn, right? Was. He wasn't one of the ones in the pit, right? [00:57:08] Speaker C: He's not dead yet, though. He was fighting Mandarin, right? [00:57:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I think so. [00:57:13] Speaker C: He was one of Mandarin. [00:57:14] Speaker A: Mandarin Spawn. [00:57:15] Speaker B: Yeah, Mandarin Spawn. There's so many spawns. [00:57:19] Speaker A: Mandarin Spawn was the one, the last one of the scorched. I feel like I read when they got to his island out there. [00:57:26] Speaker B: That's what we need to. To not read. They need to make a hacker spawn. Like a tech spawn. [00:57:31] Speaker A: A tech spawn. He can just like. [00:57:35] Speaker C: I think since Spawn's universe is now such a big thing that they could tell lots of stories. Like, they should have. Like, since Godzilla is in everything, they should have Godzilla versus spawn. Or like, spawn. [00:57:48] Speaker B: I see that. [00:57:48] Speaker A: Spawnzilla versus just a spawnzilla. [00:57:51] Speaker C: Like a Godzilla spawn versus Kong. They could do an initiative like Batman incorporated and have individuals from, individual artists from countries create that country Spawn and then write stories about them. I would totally watch a taika watiti mayori spawn movie. [00:58:11] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, that would be cool. [00:58:14] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. And then we get a spawn's power meter, which is 2165. [00:58:18] Speaker C: Yeah. So going up, moving on up to the spawn side. [00:58:25] Speaker B: And that is 327. Whoa. We got the spawning grounds. [00:58:29] Speaker A: Of course, spawning. Got a nice little conversation with unanswered. [00:58:32] Speaker C: With the man himself. [00:58:34] Speaker B: I know the smartest man alive because he doesn't have social media. [00:58:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Rory McConville. [00:58:40] Speaker B: Yeah. So he just kind of gives a brief interview about taking over Spawn and just kind of is using new characters and old characters. [00:58:49] Speaker C: Yeah, I like that. He was like, hey, tod, I want to use these old characters. And tod's like, sure. And he's like, and I want to create these new characters. And he's like, sure. Seems like a real fun collaborative environment to work with the Todd father there. [00:59:00] Speaker A: I misread this one question, this second question. At first, I thought somebody was being a real dick, and when I first read it, I said, in your first arc, you wasted time and bring, I was like, wait, what? Somebody's just, like, coming for it. They're like, listen, man. [00:59:16] Speaker C: Rory McConville was like, we need that hair back in Spawn's universe. [00:59:19] Speaker A: We got to have it. [00:59:21] Speaker C: Glorious Jim downing hair. [00:59:24] Speaker B: I like Lori McConville's run. It's been really good. [00:59:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:27] Speaker B: And you're even farther ahead on me because you read the new episode, the new issue. [00:59:30] Speaker C: It's brutal. [00:59:31] Speaker B: Sounds like something crazy happens. [00:59:33] Speaker C: More than one crazy thing happens. [00:59:36] Speaker B: Oh, wow. Okay, I got to read. [00:59:38] Speaker A: So is the dude on the back of this your cover, John? That's the Centurion. Or is that a different spawn? [00:59:46] Speaker C: That's medieval. Spawn 328 advertisement yeah, that's medieval. [00:59:51] Speaker A: That's medieval. Yeah. Okay. I thought he looked different in the one that the scorched that I read where he was, like, riding the dragon. [01:00:00] Speaker B: They always look a little different depending on the artist. [01:00:02] Speaker C: Yeah, this is definitely the Bjorn Baron's style because it's very close to the. [01:00:08] Speaker B: Action figure, which is what they kind of based it off of. [01:00:11] Speaker A: That's a dope axe. [01:00:12] Speaker B: Yeah, well, that's Spawn 327. [01:00:33] Speaker A: All right, sling in. [01:00:34] Speaker B: So next up, we're onto the main event here, gunslinger 25, a tale of revenge, of bloody revenge and bloody death. And we got some covers here. What cover you got, David? [01:00:47] Speaker C: I have. What is it? Cover a Penocian. [01:00:51] Speaker B: Let me see it. [01:00:52] Speaker C: Hold it up if it doesn't blur it out. [01:00:54] Speaker B: Okay, that one. [01:00:55] Speaker C: Okay, classic, classic saloon doors with gunslinger coming in, double gun raised, all ready to cause some havoc and drink some hooch. [01:01:06] Speaker A: It's like a very Clint Eastwood looking gunslinger spawn there. [01:01:10] Speaker B: Yeah. And I've got the b cover by Kevin Keane, which is another gunslinger double gun. [01:01:18] Speaker C: That's nice. That's with the crossed guns. That's a good one. [01:01:21] Speaker B: Cross guns. Pretty tall hat. [01:01:23] Speaker A: Pretty tall. They look similarly tall. I feel like each cover. Yeah, that one I remember. That's, like, one of my favorite things about Gunslinger, swan is like, even from page to page, sometimes you'll see one shot that's like, damn, that hat's tall. [01:01:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Sometimes it'll just be like, kind of normal. It's like a regular looking huge. [01:01:44] Speaker C: That was one of the things that I did for all the first issues was I was like, where's the hat that goes through the panel? Where's the hat that goes through the. [01:01:52] Speaker B: It's got to stick out beyond. [01:01:54] Speaker C: There was one in one Bret booth issue where it was like a gunslinger on the bottom and his hat went all the way to the top of the top of the page, and it went through, like, three other panels to get there. [01:02:06] Speaker A: Love it. [01:02:07] Speaker C: Love a tall hat. [01:02:08] Speaker B: So we open up for the credits. We've got. This is a monumental issue in a way, Logan, because all other 24 issues of this, that's kind of why we chose to bring you on, because it's kind of like a fresh point bring you on for this episode, because basically it was the artist, Bret Booth, who did the other ones you read, he did all 24 of the original, and then he's done with Gunslinger. So they got a new artist on it, but he's actually going to be switching to the regular spawn now and then Bret Booth, the guy who does regular spawn, will be going to gunslinger, so they're switching it up, but this is in between. We got Dexter soy on a long way of saying we have a new artist, Dexter soy. [01:02:48] Speaker C: It's pretty groovy. He's pretty groovy. [01:02:51] Speaker B: He's on social media, so I can tag him. Sucker script flop by Tom McFarlane. You can tag him, but we know he doesn't read the comics because he's at zero every day, week to week. [01:03:04] Speaker C: Or issue to issue, Johnny. [01:03:05] Speaker B: Issue to issue, issue to issue. [01:03:06] Speaker C: I like how Rory McConnell pointed that out in the questions that he was asked. He was like, it's fun to just work issue to issue with. Tod McFarlane. [01:03:14] Speaker B: Inkers delso corona colors by Ivan Nunes. Lettering Tom Wazachowski doing double duty. This episode, we covered the covers. [01:03:23] Speaker C: The COVID credits are lower than they usually are this time. Yeah, usually they're up there, right underneath the art before the anchors. [01:03:32] Speaker B: Hey, issue to issue, David. [01:03:35] Speaker C: It happens. [01:03:36] Speaker B: It happens. [01:03:37] Speaker C: Creative director is still Tod McFarland, though, so that's good. And Thomas Healy is our editor in chief. Yeah. [01:03:43] Speaker A: Woo. [01:03:43] Speaker C: He's still doing it. [01:03:44] Speaker B: Previously in Gunslinger. After receiving his gift from Dakota, Gunslinger continues to hunt for those who had destroyed his family. So basically, Logan, what it's referencing there is he got that demon horse that we see for a second. He got that from Dakota, who is the clown's daughter, that he fought this. [01:04:03] Speaker A: Demon horse, which is super badass. [01:04:05] Speaker C: Especially this demon horse that the Todd father sneaks a pun in on. [01:04:10] Speaker B: I paid $20 for that. On Diablo. [01:04:12] Speaker C: Yeah, listen, that's it. [01:04:15] Speaker A: Did you catch DLC right there? [01:04:16] Speaker C: Did you catch the pun? [01:04:19] Speaker B: What did you say? What's the pun? [01:04:20] Speaker C: Well, so the driver who has to stop for the horse says, is this a fucking joke? And it's not a joke. It's a nightmare. [01:04:29] Speaker A: It's a nightmare and it's a mayor. [01:04:32] Speaker C: The horse pun. [01:04:34] Speaker A: Nightmare. [01:04:38] Speaker B: I get it. [01:04:39] Speaker C: It's also nighttime, so it's levels. [01:04:42] Speaker B: That's where nightmare comes from. Because they think it was like sleep paralysis. Nightmare would come sit on your chest. Right? [01:04:47] Speaker A: That's also a fucking magic. The gathering card called a nightmare. That's like a hell horse. I want to say it was like a Pegasus or something, but that's always immediately what I thought of. [01:05:01] Speaker C: Speaking of magic, I love how every three months now, magic has a new series that's got some other ip on it. Like, they've got the pony, they've got the Jurassic park. They've got the. [01:05:11] Speaker A: Dude. They had a forgotten realms. Yeah, they had a whole deal on Tolkien. They had a forgotten realms one. Which reminds me, I need to get those back. When we had to do, like, high school fucking book reports and stuff, I was like, the nerd that was. I was like, I'm doing mine on fucking know. And I would be. For what I was reading at the time, and I would bring it in and bring this oral book and be like, what the fuck is that? Whatever, man. It's better than your shit. [01:05:44] Speaker B: That's hilarious. [01:05:46] Speaker A: I need to get that whole set of the characters from the books that I read for the forgotten realms. For sure. Because I want to put that deck together. [01:05:52] Speaker B: Yeah, that'd be a who. I played the Lord of the Rings, one my brother bought, like, the starter decks. And when I was down visiting, we played. Yeah, it was fun. [01:06:03] Speaker A: That's another deck I think would be super cool is to do the Tolkien ones as well. Dude, it's so crazy, though. I was looking one time, I think it was specifically for the forgotten realms, I would want the companions of the hall as, like, Ari Salvatore's characters of, like, Drist and Wolfgar and all those brune or. And I looked up one time, I was like, what's the deck that people put together with that? And our friend Aaron sent me this website that has all. They let you see the cards and their individual prices to order them. And the deck that that was. Was like $350 to get them all. And I was like, yeah, right. I'm not doing that, though. [01:06:45] Speaker C: I mean, in the realm of collectible trading cards, $350 for a whole deck, that's not bad. [01:06:51] Speaker A: That's true. But I just think of it in terms of, like, Xboxes and shit like that. I'm just like, oh, man. But I could just get, like, maybe one of the Xbox. [01:07:00] Speaker C: Also in terms of. Because I know that every few years they invalidate large cards as far as if you have a $350 deck that in two years nobody will let you play with because it's not in the current rule. That's bullshit. That's bullshit. [01:07:16] Speaker A: Yeah. I was like, I think about getting the Xbox, but I don't downgrade from my ps five. [01:07:23] Speaker B: Yeah, right. I'll drink my mountain Dew and use my axe body spray while I'm playing my Xbox. [01:07:32] Speaker A: Hey, listen, I'm going to have to. God, I just know I'm going to be so annoyed once the new elder scrolls comes out and shit. I'm already kind of annoyed enough that. What's the new Starfield? Yeah, I do want to play that still, too. And I'm just like, oh, God damn. [01:07:48] Speaker B: I mean, they're making it easy. They're cheap, man. You can get, like, the series s for, like, $200. [01:07:52] Speaker A: Dude, I just got this new computer, and it just gives me, I want to say it's like six months of free. The Xbox game pass that I can just. [01:08:03] Speaker B: On PC? [01:08:03] Speaker A: Yeah, on PC. But, I mean, I'm assuming the game pass is just your account universal. So I'm like, oh, man, that's a six months game pass that I just haven't even redeemed or anything. [01:08:14] Speaker B: Yeah, you should. Can you play Starfield on pc? You might be able to. [01:08:18] Speaker A: I probably can just play it on here. I haven't looked at it. I don't even, like a gaming mouse or anything yet. I basically just got this to do video and sound editing and stuff. But it is a gaming computer, so I know it could probably play it but I've just been reticent to get it any. I was like, I don't really want to turn this into a gaming situation, but I might see if it gets cheap enough. The Xbox, one of these, like, in another little bit, I might just get it and just say, fuck it, wait till next year. [01:08:47] Speaker B: Because if they're so cheap this year, next year they're going to be, like, fucking free. [01:08:50] Speaker A: Well, dude, that's the other thing. And I'm like, if I wait a year too, they might just be like, okay, now that it's been a year of exclusivity on the Xbox, it's now going to come out for the PS five and I'll just get the game. So it's like, I don't know. It depends. [01:09:01] Speaker B: It might. [01:09:02] Speaker A: I don't know. I do want to play them so bad. [01:09:04] Speaker C: Isn't it a Microsoft game, though? Does Microsoft ever actually. [01:09:08] Speaker A: They bought Bethesda, right? Is what it is. Yeah, they've been nice. [01:09:14] Speaker B: They've played nice with the Nintendo. Like, cuphead is on Switch and that's a Microsoft game, but it's not on. [01:09:19] Speaker C: PlayStation Master Chief is in everyone. [01:09:23] Speaker B: That was always the rumor. Yeah, no, they'll play nice with Nintendo. They won't play nice with Sony or Sony won't play nice with them. [01:09:30] Speaker C: That's because Nintendo gave them. But, dude, it's just large stacks of. [01:09:34] Speaker A: Those nudie cards, elder scrolls and all of that stuff. And has been such a double platform thing forever. I'm just like, God, I can't imagine that they would not do it. It just feels like you were just losing out on money ultimately. I don't know. [01:09:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, it seems like it. They'll probably just wait to do it. [01:09:54] Speaker A: And then, like, I'm saying it'd be like a year or more or like, before it comes out. [01:09:59] Speaker B: Whatever the game of the year edition comes out. [01:10:01] Speaker A: Or it'll be like a whole comes out. [01:10:02] Speaker B: Yeah, I can see that happening, especially with elder scrolls. [01:10:08] Speaker A: Did you play Starfield, did you say I tried? [01:10:11] Speaker B: I put like a couple of hours into it. It was just like I played so much. Fallout four. [01:10:17] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:10:18] Speaker B: That. It just reminded me a lot of that. But also just addicted to fucking Diablo four. [01:10:25] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, dude, that's the thing. [01:10:27] Speaker C: Speaking of Diablo, we got a hell horse. [01:10:29] Speaker B: Yeah, speaking of Diablo, we got this hell horse. [01:10:31] Speaker A: Really? [01:10:32] Speaker B: I mean, it looks like a Diablo character. He's got like, the knife on it. [01:10:37] Speaker A: It's totally a amount that you could get in Diablo looks like. For sure. [01:10:41] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely the beast simply asserts itself. [01:10:45] Speaker C: Yeah. Nice. [01:10:46] Speaker B: And then he knocks him, and he tries to get back in the truck. [01:10:49] Speaker C: But Gunslinger's already there, and Dexter Soy is picking up. [01:10:54] Speaker A: What? [01:10:54] Speaker C: Brett Booth drops down, and he's got the knife facing the wrong way for cutting. However, Dexter Soy's knife does have that big jagged edge on the back of it. Doesn't matter which way it goes, it'll cut both ways. [01:11:08] Speaker B: It'll cut both ways. [01:11:09] Speaker A: It's going to be even more brutal because it's going to just catch in and just basically rip your throat from that point. [01:11:15] Speaker C: Like, it would get caught on the Adam's apple. [01:11:20] Speaker B: And gunslinger is a badass reveal. He's, like, hiding in the shadows of the truck. He's going to cut. [01:11:25] Speaker A: Just, like, fades out. [01:11:26] Speaker C: Yeah. We get the first multiple panel tall hat from Dexter Soy. Dexter soy knows what's going on. He knows who pays his bills. [01:11:36] Speaker B: That hat for that cool guy badass look. [01:11:40] Speaker A: What did he call those barrels you got? What's in them? [01:11:43] Speaker B: Tod McFarland called it real cool guy tough guy image. [01:11:47] Speaker A: Tough guy image? [01:11:49] Speaker B: Yeah, he's got, like, a cool tough guy image. [01:11:55] Speaker A: I love. The guy's just like, yeah, some type of chemical. [01:12:00] Speaker B: Bad. So it's okay that he's killing? [01:12:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, whatever. Bad guys. [01:12:05] Speaker B: What type of chemical? Poison. [01:12:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:12:06] Speaker B: And then he does the classic, like, I love this. They're like, back at the base. They're like, oh, look, Tommy's coming back. [01:12:12] Speaker A: What's going on? Yeah, what's up? Andy's returning. [01:12:15] Speaker C: I can't get him on his cell. [01:12:16] Speaker A: And then he's just, like, strapped up. He's, like, propped up, bloody as shit in there. Just, like, dead. [01:12:22] Speaker B: Yep. [01:12:23] Speaker C: Oh, man. [01:12:24] Speaker A: A warning, man. [01:12:26] Speaker C: And Gunslinger is, like, sneaking in. He's solid snaking at Johnny. [01:12:30] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:12:31] Speaker B: Speaking of video game. [01:12:32] Speaker C: Yeah, that's. That's where my video game knowledge ends. The year metal gear solid came out. [01:12:38] Speaker B: I always love this. Reminds me of, like, doing it on a fallout. Speaking of fallout or, like, a Bethesda game, you get that sneak up, you just walk up and go kill the guy. [01:12:46] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:12:47] Speaker C: The first time I ever played fallout two, the first village I came to, I shot one of the two headed cows and then spent 35 minutes being slowly killed by everybody in the town because it wouldn't let me just exit. [01:13:00] Speaker A: Because you killed the cow? [01:13:01] Speaker C: Yeah, I shot the cow, and it was turn based, and it wouldn't just. [01:13:04] Speaker A: Accident to the end. [01:13:06] Speaker C: So I never played fallout ever again after that because I was pissed. [01:13:11] Speaker B: That's hilarious. That's back when it was the turn based isometric. [01:13:14] Speaker A: Oh, I never played any of those. [01:13:15] Speaker B: Yeah, I never did either. [01:13:17] Speaker C: So we got another Tod father thing here, Johnny. [01:13:21] Speaker B: A boss, a big fat boss. [01:13:23] Speaker A: He's got big, fat bad guy. [01:13:24] Speaker C: He's got some pizza too. Look at that pizza. That's actually looking pretty good. I'm kind of hungry now. I could go for some. [01:13:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Damn, that does look like a good pizza. [01:13:33] Speaker B: Yeah, I got some leftover chinese food. I'm going to eat after this for lunch. [01:13:37] Speaker C: Dexter. Soy's fat boss fingers are excellent. Look at those pudgy digits. Look at them. [01:13:44] Speaker A: The kind of finger that could stick right in your chest and really demean you. [01:13:48] Speaker B: Calls the guy a cocksucker. Yeah, I like how you can say that, but you can't say fuck in this. They have to bleep out fuck. [01:13:59] Speaker A: I'm always sad when people are like, you can't say cocksucker. I get certain connotations of it, but I'm like, it's just such a great mouthfeel to hit somebody with a cocksucker. [01:14:11] Speaker B: It's a great curse. [01:14:12] Speaker A: It's a great curse. It's like, come on. He just signed his own death certificate. I don't know why it bugged me when I was reading this for the first time, I think because it was also spawn and, like, the western connotations. I was like, I just really wanted that guy to say he signed his own death war. [01:14:30] Speaker C: That's what I wanted. [01:14:32] Speaker A: I was like, come on, come on. [01:14:33] Speaker C: It's right there. Javi turns off the lights, and I like how big boss, his eyes just go, what? [01:14:46] Speaker B: I like how he's drinking choke instead of coke. [01:14:49] Speaker C: Oh, man, choke. So Javi's thrown a wedding ring down on the boss man's desk, and as boss man reaches for it, he stabs with the knife. [01:15:00] Speaker B: That crazy knife comes out. [01:15:02] Speaker C: Oh, boy. Speaking again with the knife. Talk, Johnny. This knife would be a nightmare to sharpen. [01:15:10] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, dude. [01:15:11] Speaker A: Yeah. With the little hook edge. I'm assuming from the shot before in the truck, it looks like there's only one hook back. And this image of it is just like the speed image of it flapping down into place. Unless, I guess, he spawned so he could have a billion knives that have various levels of hook. [01:15:32] Speaker C: He literally has a knife everywhere, so this is probably a different knife. That's true. We counted. He has at least seven knives in his hat. [01:15:42] Speaker A: Listen to one of my favorite fantasy books. You can never have too many knives. [01:15:48] Speaker C: Or the McElroy brothers. Real play d d podcast for their ocean series. Everyone has a knife. [01:15:58] Speaker A: Everyone has a knife. [01:15:58] Speaker C: Everyone has a knife. [01:15:59] Speaker B: I got a knife. [01:16:01] Speaker C: You call that a knife? [01:16:02] Speaker A: That's not a knife. Our friend Travis was telling me one time about the first time he met his then girlfriend's dad in college, and it was like, around Christmas time, and they had to open something, and he was like, oh, I don't have a knife. And the guy was like, I remember him saying their dad was like, travis, travis, every man should have a knife. He just gets the greeches in and gives him a pocket knife as his first pocket knife. The first time you're meeting your girlfriend's dad, I thought that was a hilarious story. I was like, that is never. Every time I think of a knife, I'm like, listen, every man should have. [01:16:40] Speaker C: That's also a very Oklahoma thing. My dad taught me to always carry a lighter and a knife. Yeah, you never know what you need to set on fire. [01:16:48] Speaker A: Never leave home without it. Somebody the other day called it an Oklahoma screwdriver. And I was like, you know what? That's pretty accurate. I'll go with that. [01:17:00] Speaker C: Yeah, it's true. Then Javi starts choking the boss with the rope. He says, be got. The last guy I came up behind got a knife to his throat. Be thankful it's only rope. [01:17:11] Speaker B: Yeah, and that's got to hurt. [01:17:14] Speaker A: I love that. They definitely just also bring him another comment back to his overweightness and struggle as he might. This overweight man is barely able to breathe or speak. [01:17:27] Speaker C: The Todd father loves pointing out how fat a bad guy is. Every time early spawn fought violator, he would always call him fat man. Come at me, fat man. [01:17:40] Speaker A: Come at me, fat man. [01:17:41] Speaker B: Our first opening quote of the first episode of this podcast is me saying, all right, fat boy, or something like that. It's something like, quit fool around, fat boy. Fat boy. [01:17:57] Speaker A: You're way out of your beat. Then he's just like, this is such a great scene because he's just like, isn't so mentally torturing this guy. And then he's like, oh, wait a minute. I'll be back. [01:18:10] Speaker C: There's some goons. He just like, ties them to the chair. [01:18:14] Speaker A: Yeah, really quickly. [01:18:19] Speaker C: I'll be right back. [01:18:20] Speaker A: I love also in this picture where it says he needs them alive, given most of humans, one by one, though, being careful not to use any kill shots, at least not yet. But in the cut scene, you see this one guy getting definitely shot through the head. And it's like being careful to not use any kill shots? Whoops. That one, miss. [01:18:43] Speaker C: Sorry. I also like how these bad guys seem unprepared. They're in a criminal enterprise. They could expect people to come to this warehouse at any time. And there's a dude with a tire iron and a dude with a bat. Why don't all of them have guns? [01:18:56] Speaker A: This one guy has a gun, looks like. But it almost looks like it's like a wooden toy gun. In the end, he's like, this is just for scaring. [01:19:07] Speaker C: This fat boss obviously doesn't care about employee security. [01:19:11] Speaker A: Budget cut. [01:19:12] Speaker C: Yeah. And then after he's knocked them all down, he finds a demon, and he's like, stay away from the demons. And just pow. Right in the head. [01:19:19] Speaker A: He's like, kills that guy. [01:19:21] Speaker C: This angle of the gunslinger face is brutal. Without question, Johnny. There is gunslinger spawn nose all through this. It doesn't bother me as much as. [01:19:32] Speaker A: Spawn nose did, but what is bothering about? [01:19:37] Speaker B: In the early issues, they would draw spawn with, like, a nose. [01:19:41] Speaker A: Okay. [01:19:41] Speaker B: And it looks weird. [01:19:42] Speaker C: Yeah. But now, Al Simmons, Spawn doesn't have a nose. But, like, in the first couple of issues, gunslinger spawn. But Gunslinger Spawn does, and that's fine. But I just like to point out, Spawn knows, because Spawn knows whenever you see it. [01:19:56] Speaker A: Yeah. I love the drawing of the demon bloodline here, too, with the classic, like, don't fucking cross this line. [01:20:05] Speaker B: This reminded me that part where it says, like, the reason he kept them alive. Because the tales told by scarred men, it reminded me the end of. We've all read it, but race of the broken land, wherever Juan Clay's like, death is something a man can get his head around, it's comforting torture. Now, man cannot abide. Or, like, mutilation, he says. [01:20:28] Speaker A: Mutilation. Yeah, that's what he says. [01:20:30] Speaker B: Yeah, it reminded me of that. So Ridley Scott said he's making a western next. He said the script is aged like a fine whiskey, is what he said. But he hasn't confirmed what it is. It's got to be that because he. [01:20:42] Speaker A: Was specifically an S. Craig Zoller. Right? Is what he said. [01:20:46] Speaker B: No, there was announced in 2016 that he was going to do that. He hasn't said it's Craig Zoller yet, but he said he's doing a western with a script that's aged like a fine whiskey. [01:20:56] Speaker C: Okay. [01:20:57] Speaker B: That is that project. [01:21:00] Speaker A: Oh, dude, I love it. That would be so awesome. That'd be such a good western. I've been really wanting a really good. Just, like, western again. Just some crazy, like. God, that's going to be so crazy. I really. [01:21:14] Speaker B: Hopefully that's it. Unless he's talking about some of the movie, but he's doing a western after he does gladiator, too. [01:21:19] Speaker C: So as of a month ago, there's just speculation that that's what it's going to be. But back in 2016, deadline, and it was announced, deadline and variety are like, he's got it for his thing. [01:21:31] Speaker A: Okay. [01:21:34] Speaker B: There was just some interview where he said that, and it's like a script he's been wanting to do for a while. So I think that's probably it, hopefully, man. [01:21:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:21:41] Speaker C: It's fucking. Fucking brutal. At least bone tomahawk had chickery to take a little bit of the edge off where. [01:21:52] Speaker B: Patch was pretty similar. [01:21:53] Speaker C: Wraiths has but pat spoilers, I guess. Wraiths does have the dog. [01:22:00] Speaker A: The dandy is sort of like a little bit of a. I love. Not really, like, comic relief. Yeah. [01:22:07] Speaker B: Oh, Nathan Strollmer. Yeah, man, that's a great book, dude. [01:22:12] Speaker A: It's so wild that how it starts up and it's building and then you're like, oh, my God. The climax is going to be them busting into this place, wherever the girls are and getting them out, and they just roll in there and everything basically goes to plan, and they're like, hell, yeah, we fucking rolled it. [01:22:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I love that. [01:22:32] Speaker C: But then there's still, like, half the book left. [01:22:33] Speaker A: And you're like, yeah, then there's, like, half the book. You're like, wait, what's going to happen now? That final confrontation, though, in the old rundown fort is so cool. That's just, like, just such a classic from old westerns and old, like, do you ever see. It was, like, probably a 2000s movie. It was a chinese movie called Musa the Warrior. It follows this group of Koreans that go to China, and it involves stuff with this escaping princess and all the shit. But it ends up in exactly that scenario where they're running from this army and it's like seven samurai style. It's like six or so of them end up trapped. They take refuge in this crumbling mud fort at the edge of the sea that's like this old fort and just fight off an army from there in, like, a last stand crazy battle. It's like. It's so awesome. I love that kind of show. [01:23:28] Speaker C: For a more american audience, it's pretty much exactly what happens in magnificent seven. [01:23:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:23:35] Speaker C: Only that's the actual town. They just remove all the townspeople. [01:23:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:23:40] Speaker C: Spoilers for magnificent seven. [01:23:41] Speaker A: If you haven't spoiler alerts, if you haven't seen it. You should go see it. [01:23:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Stop watching this podcast. [01:23:47] Speaker C: What are you doing? It's got one of the best themes for western ever. [01:23:50] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. That was like my original. I had that as, like, my original ringtone on my very first flip phone when it was back when it wasn't even, like, the actual audio file was just like. Yeah, it was like, dude, it was so funny. The original one specifically with Yule Brenner and Steve McQueen and Charles Bronson. That's the one you should watch. The new one was like, fine. [01:24:14] Speaker C: A movie with everything but Yule Brenner. [01:24:16] Speaker B: One night in Bangkok. [01:24:19] Speaker C: Did you guys ever do that thing for ringtones where you could download a preview file of a song from Walmart and email it to yourself, and then you could upload that as your ringtone? [01:24:30] Speaker A: No, I didn't even know that I. [01:24:32] Speaker B: Had some weird method to get ringtones. I can't remember how that was a. [01:24:35] Speaker C: Thing you could do. It was apparently like a singular hack, because. Singular. All the singular email addresses were just your phone [email protected]. And so you could just email yourself a clip from Walmart. I don't know why Walmart only. But you could email yourself a clip and then upload it as a. Yeah, it was great. It was great, man. And now I do remember, nobody wants a fancy ringtone anymore. And it's sad. [01:25:03] Speaker A: It is sad. But I don't either. It's. The thing is sad, but I'm like, no, I don't want that anymore either, though. [01:25:09] Speaker B: I don't even want a ring. I don't even want nothing. Well, ring a ding. The gunslinger is ringing on Wilbur here. [01:25:15] Speaker A: He's like, hey, I just killed all your dudes. Or not really. I just horribly maimed them. [01:25:19] Speaker B: I mutilated all your dudes, and I killed one. [01:25:22] Speaker A: I like how he has somehow gotten himself out of the chair, which look like how he was signed up earlier. He's, like, so ridiculously tight. It's like, I guess good job, man. [01:25:32] Speaker B: Yeah, he's like an escape artist. [01:25:35] Speaker A: It looks like he left his own knife. Like, gunslinger left him his table. [01:25:40] Speaker C: The implication is that he is at least over a hundred year old man, because he was at the. [01:25:46] Speaker A: That's true. [01:25:47] Speaker C: At the death of Amy. So he's got some kind of dark magic trick demon going on. This is great. Where he's just like, stay back. I'll stab you. [01:25:59] Speaker A: Yeah, he just stabs himself. He's like, yeah, okay. [01:26:03] Speaker C: I like how it seems like gunslinger is going to stab Wilbur first. And then he's just like, no, check this thing. [01:26:09] Speaker B: A knife kills me. That's a good shot there. [01:26:12] Speaker A: It reminds me one of my grandpa's coolest stories he ever told us of his dad was like. Apparently, it was like. His dad was like. He always claimed he could take any two men in a fight, period. His dad was, like, six four in some kind of old country hillbilly. But he said he once saw a guy pull a knife on his dad, and he said his dad's response was, man, a knife don't mean nothing to me, but nothing. I took the knife away from the guy and beat his ass. Was thinking of that. When the guy's, like, pulling the knife on him, and he's like, oh, yeah, a knife. I don't mean nothing to me, but nothing big deal, man. [01:26:53] Speaker B: Yeah, that's awesome. [01:26:55] Speaker C: That's great. [01:26:56] Speaker B: What a badass. [01:26:57] Speaker C: Yeah, they don't make them like that no more. No. [01:27:00] Speaker A: Yeah, there's some crazy stories, like, on that side of the family. I think it was, like, hit my dad. That was my grandpa's dad. And his grandpa once killed a bear with a rock. Oh, holy shit. [01:27:13] Speaker C: How do you even kill a bear with a rock? God. [01:27:16] Speaker A: Smash its head. He apparently smashed a black bear's head with a rock and killed it. [01:27:22] Speaker C: If I tried to do that, the bear would take the rock away from me and beat me with it. [01:27:27] Speaker A: I was like, whoa. That was like, a thing. I was always like, oh, fuck. I was always sad that I was like, that was one thing I wanted to get with my grandpa before he died was I wanted to just get a recorder and sit down and just be like, I need you to tell me all the stories that you've told me over the years and just record them for posterity. Right? Yeah, but you think a knife kills me? [01:27:48] Speaker C: Wilbur here, he says somebody's. Because gunslinger is accusing him of being a part of his sister's death. And Wilbur's like, nah, somebody's lied to you. And Gunslinger says, amy, don't lie. [01:28:01] Speaker A: They were the first to come for his sister. [01:28:04] Speaker B: And he basically starts bringing up his wife and bring a man's wanda into the. [01:28:11] Speaker C: Would you. What would you do if your wife was in trouble? He'd protect her by whatever means possible. That's what gunslinger is going to do. And if you can't protect the one that you love by whatever means possible, then you fuck up the lives of. [01:28:27] Speaker A: The people who then you would fucking go on a revenge quest. All right? That's the only other option. [01:28:33] Speaker B: That's the only other way. [01:28:35] Speaker A: I've always been like, man, I guess it's probably from watching westerns and everything. I've always been in that kind of way. Listen, man, everybody fucking. If anyone ever comes from my family in any kind of way or does something bad or horrible to my family, I'm not going to be in some kind of policing mode. Or, like, at that point, my life is just like. It's just like a path is branched. Just like, you have triggered revenge quest, and that's, like, the whole future. From that point on, it's like, all right, I'm going to find this person and whoever they care about. All right, this is what happened. [01:29:07] Speaker C: I imagine your life will have, like, a dividing line. There will be before, and then there will be. There will be the montage of you grabbing every weapon you can and putting it at every, like, an 80s action. [01:29:21] Speaker A: I guess we're going that way. [01:29:22] Speaker C: And then afterward, just kicking ass. Kicking ass and taking names. [01:29:27] Speaker B: He's taking a name. He's taking his wife's name because he. [01:29:30] Speaker A: Slapped such a weding ring with him here this whole time. He's like, just like, oh, yeah, look. And then he's, like, telling him. He's like, her screams. You should have heard him. He's just fucking him so much. [01:29:40] Speaker B: Then he does some weird fucked up shit and puts the ring on the knife and holds it up to his throat. It's like, damn gunslinger. [01:29:46] Speaker A: Yeah. He's, like, really going for it. But, I mean, he did, I guess, kill his sister was part of it anyway. [01:29:51] Speaker C: Yeah. So this guy's irredeemable, right? And then, yeah, gunslinger starts like, as I was cutting the wedding ring off your wife's finger, I was telling her exactly who you are and exactly what you've done. She doesn't love you anymore. And we get to see the symbol for the first time in how many issues? [01:30:16] Speaker B: Johnny, this was long time. [01:30:19] Speaker C: Was that spawn's universe was the last time we saw this? [01:30:25] Speaker B: It might have been. I think it's going to become up. [01:30:27] Speaker C: Once after that, there was that one story where he was in the bar and some guy decided he wanted to fight the guy who looked like a fucking demon. [01:30:35] Speaker A: Yes. I remember when we were watching that, it was like, of all the dudes in the bar, you're like, let me fight that guy. Who definitely looks like some kind of crazy supernatural, some shit. Like, of all the guys in this regular western place, it's totally normal for dudes to just look like what that. [01:30:55] Speaker B: Was in Gunslinger number one. Well, we skipped over a little bit. It's kind of interesting here. Probably going to be paid off. So, Logan, they're coming out with a new Gunslinger series called Deadly Tales of the Gunslinger. And it'll be set during the Civil War era. And we're going to find out his backstory. And probably about. [01:31:11] Speaker A: I was about to say this bit where the guy's, like, coming back with, like, she understood what needed to be done and why. Unlike you. [01:31:18] Speaker B: Yeah. What are they talking about? We have no idea. What do you. [01:31:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:31:23] Speaker B: So there's something else going on there. And also his daughter. He says, like, oh, you got a strange choice to your daughter's name. We find out at the end it's Amy's sister. [01:31:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:31:33] Speaker B: So it's like, was he in love with Amy? Because he's like, you're not the only one who loved her. [01:31:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:31:37] Speaker C: Speaking of other western projects, Logan, this upcoming Gunslinger series is written by the guy who wrote many issues of Jonah Hex. So he's got the supernatural western bona fides to do it. To do it. [01:31:55] Speaker B: And the way they've been. [01:31:56] Speaker A: Controversial opinion. I liked that Josh Brolin movie of Jonah. [01:32:01] Speaker C: It was fine. It was very much like an of its time comic book movie. It was better than both Green Lantern and Ghost Rider. [01:32:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I certainly would say that. [01:32:15] Speaker B: No. Also, they keep describing it as in their text or in the text of the press releases. They say it's going to be like bone tomahawk mixed with 310 to Yuma. [01:32:26] Speaker A: Okay. [01:32:27] Speaker B: So sounds good to me. [01:32:30] Speaker A: Yeah, real. I'll be there. Also. Great. Tall hat picked in that scene that we're referencing, talking about the past. That's like tallest hat of the episode. [01:32:41] Speaker B: I love the collar too. I love when you got the crazy collar going. [01:32:44] Speaker A: Yeah. And I love how he's kind of got the bandana. [01:32:47] Speaker B: So basically he makes a little symbol. So that symbol has something to do with whoever murdered his sister. We know. [01:32:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:32:54] Speaker B: And he's like. So he gives him the knife. [01:32:56] Speaker C: Also looking at this knife up close, we can tell that it is definitely not the knife he killed the dude in the truck with. So it's one of his other knives. [01:33:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Different knife. [01:33:06] Speaker C: Yeah. All of his knives. Impossible. [01:33:09] Speaker A: Sharpen. It's a hat full of knives. I'm just like, God. I just really want him to do like an ultimate attack, you know, on mortal Kombat. Where on mortal Kombat? Eleven. And you play a spawn. Like his ultimate kill is he just throws open his fucking cape and there's like a billion arms with guns just like, come out of it. Just like. I want an ultimate attack for gunslinger spawn to be just like. He throws up his hat in the air, and it just starts spinning and shooting like, a shower of knives out of it. There's a billion knives just, like, flying out of it. [01:33:47] Speaker B: That's what we need in the next mortal kombat, one that's out now. We need gunslinger spawn. [01:33:51] Speaker A: Gunslinger spawn, a billion knives flying out of his hat. [01:33:56] Speaker C: I imagine Gunslinger showing up at a farmers market where they've got the knife sharpening booth with just, like, a bag of these ridiculously hard to sharpen knives. I'll be back in, like, 2 hours. I got to go buy some produce. [01:34:12] Speaker A: I remember exactly how many knives are there. [01:34:18] Speaker B: But all it takes is one knife to slit your own throat, which is what Wilbur does here. He gives him the choice for the. [01:34:24] Speaker C: Greater good because he says, either your wife's going to do it because she knows the truth of you, I'll come back and do it, or for the greater good, you can do it yourself. [01:34:33] Speaker A: And then it's just a great reveal that he was like, just. [01:34:35] Speaker B: He's a vulcan with the guy, the greater good. [01:34:37] Speaker A: Like, he didn't do any of that shit to his wife or anyone. He was just, like, using the house. He did some light bulb ring is all. Yeah, he just did a little light burglary. He was like, yeah, whatever. Yeah. [01:34:50] Speaker B: He's like, yoink. [01:34:52] Speaker C: This dinner conversation, they both just look so sad. They're long suffering. It's a long suffering family, it seems like. [01:35:02] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, their dad's, like, 100 year old demon man, probably, who never. [01:35:06] Speaker C: Leaves work and just yells at people. [01:35:08] Speaker A: And boss guy has a hot wife, though. [01:35:11] Speaker B: Yeah, he got the big money. [01:35:13] Speaker A: That's true. He has the big money from some sort of poisons. Yeah. What business are you in? Some sort of poison. What did the guy say at the very beginning? [01:35:25] Speaker B: Yeah. He's like, some kind of chemical poison. [01:35:27] Speaker A: Yeah, some kind of chemical poison. What are you in chemical poisons? [01:35:33] Speaker B: I just transport him for a big boss guy. [01:35:35] Speaker A: I dabble in chemical poisons. [01:35:38] Speaker B: I got attacked by spawn. [01:35:42] Speaker C: His business card just says, big boss man sit a desk. [01:35:47] Speaker A: What was the power difference here? I got to look back at the last episode. I forgot to look at that earlier. [01:35:53] Speaker B: This is gunslinger spawn. [01:35:54] Speaker A: Yeah, the gunslinger's power. So he's about, like, a thousand less generally than spawn looks like. [01:36:02] Speaker B: Yeah. And Spawn was low, too, because he went really low and has been gaining power, but Gunslinger is just low. [01:36:10] Speaker A: How do you get the power back? You got to get a necro charge. [01:36:13] Speaker B: You got to get a necro charge. So we don't really know, but when Spawn got to zero, it created some big time paradox thing and sucked everybody in, and then it started going up. [01:36:25] Speaker A: That's how all the time travel people got sucked here, basically, was when that happened, was the zero. Yeah. Are there any creature spawns, or are they all, like, humanoids? [01:36:36] Speaker B: They showed a Trex spawn on a tv. [01:36:38] Speaker C: Yeah, they did. [01:36:39] Speaker B: Yeah, they showed it on a tv. [01:36:41] Speaker C: And they showed to a character. [01:36:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:36:45] Speaker B: But they showed that, and that's about it. Usually the thing with spawns is they. [01:36:48] Speaker A: Were all humans, okay. [01:36:50] Speaker B: And that's why clown hates them, is they were, like, humans of the week. But humans are easily tricked into being hell spawns. I guess we got a mail bag in this one as well. Yeah, we get a cool. It's always good to see a new, young fan. We get a 14 year old spawn fan. [01:37:07] Speaker C: Yeah. This kid, Cole Shelton, doing some good work there, man. [01:37:14] Speaker A: That's a pretty cool. [01:37:16] Speaker C: They've got a real good sense of perspective, and that gun just looks great. If I may, Johnny, this gun looks more professionally drawn than a Rob Liefeld gun ever has, because those things. [01:37:29] Speaker B: Yes, it does. [01:37:30] Speaker C: Those things don't make any sense in three dimensions. [01:37:32] Speaker B: Another good gun. [01:37:33] Speaker C: It's good guns. [01:37:34] Speaker B: And then Thomas, of course, takes a moment to plug deadly tales of the gunslinger here. So that'll be coming out next year or this year when you're listening to this, probably. [01:37:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:37:43] Speaker B: And then I love this pin up poster. It's really cool. [01:37:46] Speaker C: The one by Gabriel. [01:37:48] Speaker B: Yeah, the one by Gabriel. [01:37:49] Speaker C: They're both cool. [01:37:50] Speaker B: They're both cool. But I like that poster style with, like, a little spawn on the inset. [01:37:54] Speaker C: And it's just will be. That would be a fun sort of template to take around to have people do their artwork on, but, yeah, I like the little box with the Al Simmons spawn in it next to Gunslinger. [01:38:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:38:10] Speaker C: And then this geist cover has the new ninja mask gunslinger on it, which is. [01:38:16] Speaker B: Or domino mask or whatever. I guess it's a bandana mask. [01:38:21] Speaker A: Yeah. That's very cool. I love the hat on that, too. Like, the brim, like, all the angular cutbacks on it. [01:38:28] Speaker C: Yeah, pretty cool. It's a hat that you can imagine him standing on the edge of a cliff and, like, the wind's just, like, rippling the brim. [01:38:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Batman in just, like, on the edge of some high. [01:38:43] Speaker B: Yep. And then you get some abs for the next issues. And get the page. [01:38:48] Speaker C: This one. This one's since it's for the gunslinger, it's not in a prison yard, but is, in fact, in the high desert, probably up there in Utah or some such. [01:39:00] Speaker B: With issue 309 there. This is where Javi first appears. [01:39:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:39:04] Speaker B: I'm excited for that Gunslinger series because his background is a little convoluted right now. We don't really know. [01:39:10] Speaker A: Yeah, I would definitely like to know. What's the action figure, like, villain thing on the back here? Who is that? [01:39:16] Speaker B: His name's Auger. It shows up. Yeah, he's like Cogliostro does it. [01:39:24] Speaker C: Yeah. So when Gunslinger comes to modern times, he fucking fights a dude named Javier and takes over his body. But that Javier was, in fact, a fake Javier that cog placed, like, a virus in. And this virus comes out fully formed as Auger, which is, like, his first villain that he has to fight in this new world. And then he kills him. And then cog's like, okay, yeah, you could have the real Javier's body now. [01:39:57] Speaker B: Yeah. Really weird. [01:39:59] Speaker A: What was gunslinger spawn before then? Who was he before? [01:40:03] Speaker B: We don't know. [01:40:03] Speaker A: We don't know. [01:40:05] Speaker C: He was a guy with a sister named Amy. [01:40:07] Speaker A: So he wasn't Javier the whole time. See, I thought he was just Javier the whole time. Okay. [01:40:12] Speaker B: It seems like not. It seems like we're going to find out this backstory in this new. [01:40:17] Speaker A: Be. [01:40:18] Speaker C: It'll be very exciting. [01:40:20] Speaker B: He might be just, like, this entity, or, who knows? [01:40:24] Speaker C: Entities. [01:40:27] Speaker B: He's the entity for mission impossible. [01:40:29] Speaker A: But it didn't, like, drop. Did it even show, like, a new mission impossible was awesome. [01:40:34] Speaker B: Yeah, the entity, dude, the entity is going to come for you. [01:40:36] Speaker A: Scariest shit, dude. That's, like, the real. I'm just like, that's some real shit. [01:40:40] Speaker B: That's the real deal. [01:40:43] Speaker A: Was there even an image or anything when he killed and took over? Javier was there, like, a body that dropped from his old self when the symbiote switched? [01:40:55] Speaker C: So what we know of from the gunslinger issues that show the background. So he was a guy. He was a guy who was tortured and pulled behind a horse and had his face cut off. So he had a body back before he got sucked into the new world. But since bodies are basically just hosts for the symbiote, where this kind of becomes the spawn being that, I guess that's what got sucked into the future. So I guess it just took over a random body here. [01:41:26] Speaker B: We didn't actually see it. Okay, so we will see it at some point. It's just been kind of mysterious. [01:41:32] Speaker A: Okay. [01:41:33] Speaker C: It's fuzzy. Logic, but we're here for it. [01:41:37] Speaker B: We'll see how it works out. [01:41:38] Speaker C: So, Johnny, I had to go save that pug because she was crying again. And I think that means it's time to rate these puppies. [01:41:47] Speaker B: It's time to rate the puppies. [01:41:53] Speaker C: Who wants to go first for spawn 327? [01:41:56] Speaker B: I'll go first here. Spawn 327. It's kind of this three part of forebearing. What was it called again? [01:42:04] Speaker C: Four mint. [01:42:05] Speaker B: Four mint. It's the third part of four mint. It's kind of like the climax of that. It's Rory McConville kind of like mission statement coming out of the park with these new spawns. It's really fun. There's a good fight. You get some detective Spawn, you get a fleabiac. I just thought it was a good issue. It ends with a fun fight. Not a fun fight, but it ends with a cool false flag thing. But I'm going to give it four out of five eye patches on an assassin. Nice. That's what I'm going to give. [01:42:38] Speaker C: Eye patch is a great detail for an assassin. I mean, it's classic. You've got. Deathstroke's got an eye patch. You've got. Oh, that's the only one I could think of off the top of my head. [01:42:46] Speaker A: Oops. Done. Solid snake. [01:42:51] Speaker C: Nick Fury. Nick Fury's got an eye patch. Original Nick Fury, I guess. Also Sam Jackson. Nick Fury. [01:42:57] Speaker B: Yeah, they both do. [01:42:59] Speaker C: What would you rate this logan as someone who's still a little confused by the overall Spawn mythos and has just taken it issue by issue? [01:43:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, that's like, I'm kind of, like, kind of enjoying that. Because I do like asking questions about lore and stuff is always, like, a thing that I get into on things. So when I'm like, oh, I want to hear, what's the deal with that? Or whatever. I'm going to give this one half. I will give it a four sparkling half transformations of Lydia. [01:43:36] Speaker C: Hell, yeah. Good. Or Cordelia. The Cordelia. [01:43:41] Speaker A: Cordelia, yes. [01:43:43] Speaker B: The other evil one. What is this, the Christopher Nolan movie? [01:43:47] Speaker C: The one that looks. [01:43:48] Speaker B: No, they're just dead from the thing that. [01:43:54] Speaker C: Give it. I'm also going to give it four. And I'm going to give it four. I don't give a shits if you die. That has become Al Simmons favorite refrain to just say, I don't give a shit. Listen, fighting clown. I don't give a shit. [01:44:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:44:11] Speaker B: There's this great part in this one issue where clown's like, yeah, because he changes forms. He's like the more buff clown. He's like, you haven't even asked me about my new form yet. And he goes, I don't give a shit. [01:44:23] Speaker A: That was like the form that was revealed in the one gunslinger episode, right? [01:44:27] Speaker C: Yeah, the one with the feast. [01:44:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:44:31] Speaker B: Well, he fights him in the field first, and then Dakota comes in, then he goes back to the island and has the feast. Well, speaking of gunslinger, we've got Gunslinger 25, a bloody tale of revenge. [01:44:40] Speaker C: Yeah, indeed. Hella bloody. [01:44:42] Speaker B: Just a fun little short story. What would you give it, David? [01:44:45] Speaker C: I'm going to give it right off the bat. Dexter soy is doing some good stuff. It's groovy. [01:44:52] Speaker B: We were wondering, picking up that baton. [01:44:54] Speaker C: We were wondering what it was going to feel like going into a gunslinger that wasn't drawn by Bret Booth and a bit more intense than a Bret booth gunslinger, but still, it's got a lot of energy on it still. So I think I'm going to give it three and a half slices of pepperoni pizza. So three and a half pieces of pizza. It's a good, solid snack, right? Three pieces. Exciting to see what's going on. I'm a little sad that Javi was so much of a jerk, like, flat out lying to a dude to get him to kill himself. But I guess that's what Javi does. It's fun. It's a good, disgusting time, which is what we come to gunslinger for. [01:45:37] Speaker B: I'm going to give it a three, but I'm going to give it 3000 out of 5000 Diablo credits, which equals $20 to buy the horse. They always trick you with the credits. You're like, oh, I need 1000 more credits to get this horse. That's $25, but you have to buy the $60.01 or else you don't get quite enough. [01:45:56] Speaker A: That's the thing. [01:45:57] Speaker B: They always get you. [01:45:58] Speaker A: It's just a little bit under. [01:46:00] Speaker B: Diablo gives you back your money in the battle pass, though, when you buy that. So usually that's kind of the thing now. [01:46:08] Speaker A: The battle pass. Yeah. [01:46:12] Speaker B: I've spent many hours of my life, many hours of my life playing Diablo four this last year, but I haven't spent any additional money on it. Besides the battle passes. I haven't bought a horse or anything, that kind of stuff. [01:46:23] Speaker C: Never. [01:46:23] Speaker A: Not worth it, man. Yeah, I don't care about it. [01:46:25] Speaker B: I would rather earn it by playing it. And I like it better that way than just like buying it. [01:46:29] Speaker A: I'm like, just buying it. Yeah, I don't care about it. [01:46:32] Speaker B: But if they have the official gunslinger spawn horse. [01:46:37] Speaker C: I would judge you if you didn't buy the official gunslinger horse overlay. [01:46:43] Speaker B: I like this issue. It's like a fun little short story, but it's kind of just like a one off. But it's a good, fresh kind of start. Restart for Dexter. Soy coming on. And it's pretty grim, but it's good. [01:46:58] Speaker C: It's like when they get a new actor for James Bond, they have James Bond. They have to give them within the first 15 minutes, have to give them something badass to do. So you're like, oh, yeah, this is a groovy James Bond. [01:47:10] Speaker A: Yeah, I love the gunslinger, so I'm going to go with a four for this. Also, I loved just the revenge tale interrogation. Just straight up coming in brutal on everybody, because you're here for a purpose and, like, whatever. Those guys aren't shit to you, and I'm going to give it four open armed spawn. A knife don't mean nothing to me, but nothing. [01:47:40] Speaker C: Yeah. The most western aspect of this is just like the badass of gunslinger. Yeah, it's so good. [01:47:48] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, what else is good? Our Internet friends. And each week we like to highlight a different Internet friend. [01:47:55] Speaker C: Internet friends. Internet friends. [01:47:58] Speaker B: And this week, David, you got to read this one off because I don't remember it. What is it again? [01:48:04] Speaker C: So this week is our. [01:48:08] Speaker B: Oh, I found it. It's Spawn. Underscore McFarland. Underscore Dcuo. [01:48:14] Speaker C: Yeah, so it's our friend Jose. They fucking love spawn. What more do you need? [01:48:22] Speaker B: They love spawn. Dress up as Spawn. They got spawn stuff they're posting. [01:48:26] Speaker C: Yeah, it's a good time. It's a good time. [01:48:28] Speaker A: Is there any updates on the spawn film situation? [01:48:34] Speaker C: So right before the writer strike ended, there was an update that there were only, like, 20 pages left of the most recent draft to be finished. [01:48:43] Speaker A: Okay. Because it was rumored to be Jamie Foxx. Right. And I know he had all the. [01:48:47] Speaker C: I think Jamie Foxx is actually still attached to it. Since the do it. Since the writers and actor strikes have finished, the only update we've gotten is that Jason Bloom is dedicated to getting it out by 2025. [01:49:05] Speaker A: Okay. [01:49:06] Speaker B: Yeah, Bloom House has it. And after their wild success with five nights at Fredy's, they made a shit ton of money with that movie. That was their biggest movie. So they're just going to be getting bigger and bigger. I bet they want to get in the superhero game, and Spawn's, like, perfect for Bloomhouse. [01:49:20] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:49:21] Speaker B: But, yeah, I imagine there'll be some movement on it. Once the holidays are over and stuff, they got two new writers, the writers of. [01:49:31] Speaker C: America and the Winter Soldier. [01:49:33] Speaker A: I like Joker. Yeah. And I loved Captain America and the Winter Soldiers. My favorite one of those, too, of Captain America's. [01:49:41] Speaker B: Yeah, it's good, but yeah. So Dcuo, Spawn McFarland, Dcuo all underscored a lot of cool spawn stuff. Check him out. We'll tag him in the episode. Give him a follow. [01:49:51] Speaker C: While you're over there, you got to follow Brian. Brian underscore voyals. Underscore 27. He does the music that makes it sound good, and without it, it would just be us musicless, and I would have to sing all the music and, well, I appreciate you all too much to be the person to sing all. [01:50:14] Speaker A: The music to subject. [01:50:18] Speaker B: Yeah, give us a follow while you're there. Regarding spawn pod. [01:50:22] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. [01:50:22] Speaker B: We're posting pickups and things like that, doing reels. It's been a crazy busy holiday season, so we've been. Haven't posted as much, but we'll get back to it. It's just been busy. [01:50:32] Speaker C: If you ever meet anybody who tells you that posting stuff on social media is easy, then you look at them and you say, no, it's not. It seems easy, but it's work. But that's fine. We like to do work. We just focused on. [01:50:48] Speaker B: We like to do it focused on. [01:50:49] Speaker C: Making this thing as good as possible, and then the images can come later, right? [01:50:53] Speaker B: We got images. Next time you're on, we have you back for the next gunslinger. And by next time you're on, we can talk about that. You'll be in that reading of mine, because we're going to do the reading sometime in January or February for my. There's a pot for you. [01:51:06] Speaker A: Nice. [01:51:10] Speaker C: I have to be there, and he has to do I just play myself? I'm just like, what is. [01:51:14] Speaker B: It's like Logan plays a podcaster who goes and kills his podcasting partner, like, brutally, for, like, 2 hours on stage. And that's the whole play. And you're like, I don't know. [01:51:24] Speaker A: Wait, what am I supposed to feel about this? [01:51:27] Speaker C: Did you also write in that is bad with names? So I'm literally in the play being like, I fucking forgot your name, dude. I don't remember what it is. [01:51:35] Speaker A: What am I supposed to. [01:51:36] Speaker B: Did you read the script? [01:51:37] Speaker C: Did I leak it to you? [01:51:39] Speaker B: Not yet, no. But, yeah, I've been working on a script, so David has graciously been editing the episode. So there will be a reading coming up of my new play next year. And for those Chicago listeners, we'll keep you updated on. [01:51:51] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:51:51] Speaker B: And Logan will be a part. But other than that, oh, we got to figure out what we're going to do next. [01:51:55] Speaker C: We got to figure out what. So, Logan, you're supposed to tell us what we're supposed to do next week. What do you want us, because you, the listener, you're the one who has to listen to us talk about it. What do you want us to talk about? [01:52:07] Speaker A: I mean, I'm going to never not vote for Gunslinger Spawn. [01:52:12] Speaker B: Well, you're going to be disappointed. You're not going to want to listen. [01:52:15] Speaker C: To the next episode, then, because for the next time, we're going to be reading, as we normally do, a couple of issues from Spawn's universe. [01:52:22] Speaker A: Nice. [01:52:23] Speaker C: We're going to be reading Spawn 328. We've almost closed that gap, Germany. We're almost to where we started with the new issues. [01:52:30] Speaker B: Yeah, it's crazy. [01:52:31] Speaker C: Our classic. And then our new one is going to be Kingspawn number 27, which very heavy issue. People who have been listening to this podcast, you listeners, you know, I have been talking about this fucking issue since it came out. So I'm very excited that we finally get to get. [01:52:45] Speaker B: Oh, man, this is a good one. [01:52:49] Speaker C: It's heavy. These lead up to spawn 350 king. Spawn issues have been just brutal. Brutal. If you like your spawn nasty, then it is the spawn you want to get. Let me tell you. [01:53:04] Speaker A: Like, brutal in a sense of just the battles and vibes. Like, brutal in the sense of stakes that happen. Of death. [01:53:12] Speaker C: Yeah, but more the former. It's not like emotionally brutal. It's like you go to a comic about hell, guys, to see them beat people up, and you get that in space. [01:53:23] Speaker B: Yeah, that'll be our first episode recorded in 2024. Will it be? [01:53:28] Speaker C: No, it'll be the last. [01:53:30] Speaker A: Well, are you going to record on Christmas? [01:53:32] Speaker B: Yeah, the next one will be the last one that we will be recording on the 29th. Well, Logan, probably in a few weeks, we'll be doing another gunslinger, so we'll make sure to have you back for that. [01:53:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:53:43] Speaker B: Now that you got all set up, you don't have to drag your ass over to my tiny. [01:53:49] Speaker A: I guess that's the thing that I'm working on now, is trying to get sort of a set up for voiceover work, studio type thing. Set up with this new microphone and everything. I got a new computer and everything for it. That's, like the thing that I'm really trying to do more and get into. So that's I guess like the next thing that I'm really trying to set. [01:54:08] Speaker C: Up, if you decide to do a podcast of your own, we'll advertise it right here on. [01:54:16] Speaker A: I always would joke because I'm always like, always just say the listen. I was like, if I was going to do a podcast, it would just be called listen. It would just be like me talking about some bullshit. Who knows? Like, just random bullshit, probably. [01:54:32] Speaker C: I mean, who knows? Maybe we could partially produce and we could start our own little podcast empire. [01:54:40] Speaker A: It would just basically be a tangent, the podcast. Just like, we're going to talk about what every podcast goes. Yeah, there's going to be no format. We're just going to be like, what's up? Hey, what's current event? [01:54:52] Speaker C: That's what this podcast is most of the time, too, because Johnny has his tangents and I have my tangents. And then it's just whenever we get sick of hearing the other person not talk about spawn for five minutes, come back. Come back. [01:55:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Segue, segue, segue. [01:55:12] Speaker B: Always. Do you think of segues? [01:55:14] Speaker C: A always. B-B-C segue in. And I think that just leads me to say, johnny and Logan, boys, may the scorched be with you. [01:55:27] Speaker B: And also with you. May the scorch be with. [01:55:29] Speaker A: Also with.
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