Episode 138 - Violator: Origin #1

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Basil is dead, but I am reborn. Loyal to none but myself. I am the violator. [00:00:31] Speaker B: There. [00:00:37] Speaker A: A good evening and welcome to the Mal Bulge. This is regarding Spawn, the world's best Spawn podcast. I'm your co host, John Fisher. [00:00:49] Speaker B: And I am your co host David Williams. And Johnny, not to be. Not to be too pretentious right off the top, but pre. Pre Mal Bulge. This is the pre Mal Bulge. [00:00:59] Speaker A: This is pre Mal Bulge. It doesn't exist. Okay. Welcome to heaven. [00:01:02] Speaker B: Heaven. Heaven. Yeah. In heaven everything is. How does that song go from Eraserhead? [00:01:08] Speaker A: In Heaven. Isn't that the name of. Isn't that the name of the Alan Moore Number 8? In heaven everything is fine or something? [00:01:16] Speaker B: It's either in heaven everything is fine or in hell everything is fine. [00:01:19] Speaker A: Something like that. [00:01:21] Speaker B: But. But yeah, isn't that. Isn't that the song that the radiator lady sings in Eraserhead? [00:01:26] Speaker A: I haven't seen Eraserhead since college, man. [00:01:28] Speaker B: I've. I made the mistake of trying to. So when I was. When I was in college, I would watch movies at like one o' clock in the morning. I made a mistake of trying to watch it and I was. I was simultaneously scared stupid and falling asleep. Bad combination. [00:01:43] Speaker A: Oh no. You probably dreamed about that baby. [00:01:45] Speaker B: I didn't get far enough to the baby. I was like, oh no, dude, I'm not going to be able to do this. And I just never circled back. [00:01:52] Speaker A: That was one of the movies. I got YouTube in the mail. Not YouTube, Netflix in the mail. Yeah, they just said YouTube videos in the mail. Can you imagine? [00:02:01] Speaker B: You have to wait three weeks for that chocolate rain to show up. [00:02:04] Speaker A: I know. You're like, where the hell is the Star wars kid? He was pre YouTube though. [00:02:09] Speaker B: I need, I need my Ask a Ninja. Come on. [00:02:12] Speaker A: I need my Parkour video, my history of dance. [00:02:18] Speaker B: Oh, man. Early YouTube was wild. [00:02:21] Speaker A: Have you ever seen the first YouTube video? [00:02:23] Speaker B: I. [00:02:24] Speaker A: It's a joke about dicks. [00:02:26] Speaker B: I think I've seen it, but I don't remember. [00:02:28] Speaker A: It's the one of the creators YouTube going, I like elephants. They have really long snouts. And that's like. It. It's weird. [00:02:41] Speaker B: The. The greatest literary tradition is dick jokes. [00:02:45] Speaker A: It's. [00:02:45] Speaker B: It's funny because Wanda, Wanda always is like, you should like Shakespeare more. It is half dick jokes. And it's like, sorry, I just. No. [00:02:55] Speaker A: Wow. [00:02:56] Speaker B: The dick jokes don't make up for the parts that I don't like. [00:02:59] Speaker A: What don't you like about Shakespeare? [00:03:01] Speaker B: It's, it's. It's probably My. My modern sensibility. But I really don't like the way the. The drama is constructed within the. The stories. It's so dependent on dramatic irony. [00:03:14] Speaker A: I know. And that drives me crazy. [00:03:16] Speaker B: Nothing makes me want to throw something across the room like fucking dramatic. Dramatic irony. [00:03:21] Speaker A: Like if someone just told someone something, everything would be solved and it's just like. Just tell them like, Romeo and Juliet drives me crazy. [00:03:27] Speaker B: It. It would be fine as like a. A small technique used occasionally. But Shakespeare plays are just like nested dramatic irony with a nested dramatic irony. And it's just like, get that away from me, dude. [00:03:39] Speaker A: Get out of here. Willy Willie shakes. [00:03:42] Speaker B: Yeah, but I guess. I guess especially for the audience that it was made for, like, if you have a whole bunch of fucking riotously drunk people just being like, you fuck it. You fuck. Just like at the. At the actors on the stage. I bet it would be incredible. But yeah, me sitting on my couch with baseball in the background. No, no, no, it's no good. [00:04:06] Speaker A: So what you're saying is Shakespeare bad Spawn good? [00:04:10] Speaker B: Yes, yes. That will. I mean, I can. I can appreciate a Shakespeare. I do not like Shakespeare. [00:04:16] Speaker A: I do not like Shakes. [00:04:18] Speaker B: I am not empirically bad. [00:04:20] Speaker A: I would not read it in a car. I would not read it in a bar. [00:04:24] Speaker B: No, because there are more fun things to do in the bar, like sit all mopey, like in the corner and just watch the people. [00:04:31] Speaker A: When I was last time, I was at Cleo's getting some food. Last night they were playing I have to get it in because I'm moving, so I won't be next to Cleo. So I have to go every day for the next five days. I'm not really going every day, but they were playing Mrs. Doubtfire. [00:04:45] Speaker B: Oh, hell yeah. [00:04:47] Speaker A: Good movie. [00:04:48] Speaker B: It's a good one. Speaking of San Francisco, our random co worker was talking about fucking so I married an ax murderer. [00:04:57] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:04:58] Speaker B: This week. And I haven't thought of that movie in a very long time. And I think I need to rewatch it because I remember it being excellent. [00:05:05] Speaker A: Yeah, I always liked it. [00:05:07] Speaker B: The Scottish family, he. [00:05:10] Speaker A: Yeah. We should have seen the origins of Fat Bastard. [00:05:12] Speaker B: There is like Sputnik. [00:05:16] Speaker A: That Fat Bastard is not very woke. David. [00:05:19] Speaker B: No, no, he's now. I mean, I guess he was kind of designed that way, I think. [00:05:24] Speaker A: I think so. He's babies. [00:05:26] Speaker B: I think. I think. I think it might have been an intentional joke. [00:05:30] Speaker A: Yeah. What a time, 1999, where you could have like a beloved character that screams, I ate a baby. [00:05:36] Speaker B: Get in my belly. I was. I was the only kid at Church camp that hadn't seen it. And so I was. I was a pariah because I couldn't get in all the jokes. And every time I tried, everybody knew. They were like, you haven't you just. You just. Copy of this dingus? [00:05:52] Speaker A: Well, Church, that movie was so successful, I think, because. And this is like, I've read like some articles about it, but it was very successful. It like blew it, like, made the first movie's entire box office run in the first weekend. [00:06:06] Speaker B: Damn. [00:06:07] Speaker A: First of all, the first one got really popular on vhs, which helped for Austin Powers. It was a really big VHS hit. But there was a teaser for it before Star Wars Episode 1 that same summer. [00:06:19] Speaker B: Ah. [00:06:20] Speaker A: If you remember, the teaser had like. It was like, looked like it was Star wars and it was like going into this moon base and then it turned around and it was Dr. Evil. You thought it was gonna be Darth. [00:06:28] Speaker B: Vader, but yeah, because they also had a breathing effect. Yeah, right. Yeah. [00:06:33] Speaker A: And then he turned around and was like, who are you expecting? I can't remember, but I remember that fucking trailer killed. Killed. And I saw it nine times that summer. David also had the Fight Club trailer before Star Wars Episode one. [00:06:50] Speaker B: It's a weird. I mean, I understand the positioning of big toy cluster film, but it was. [00:06:55] Speaker A: 20Th Century Fox, so it was their other big movie that summer. And the big budget. Because Fight Club was like a huge budget. [00:07:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:01] Speaker A: But it did not make as much money as Austin Powers to. [00:07:06] Speaker B: No, no. [00:07:07] Speaker A: I think it was actually a flop. It had a huge DVD life. [00:07:10] Speaker B: Yeah. I was about to say if Austin Powers. Austin powers is the VHS's Fight Club was the DVD. [00:07:16] Speaker A: That Fight Club DVD was everywhere. I love that. [00:07:18] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:07:19] Speaker A: The one that looked like a paper bag. [00:07:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:07:24] Speaker B: It's fucking ridiculous. [00:07:25] Speaker A: David Fincher, man, he makes good DVDs. I'll tell you what. [00:07:28] Speaker B: He's. He's. He. He is a good artist. [00:07:34] Speaker A: Yeah. I love David Fincher. I'm excited. He's doing a sequel to Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. [00:07:38] Speaker B: Oh, I did not know that. I need to get on watching Once Upon a Time in Hollywood now. [00:07:42] Speaker A: So he's making a spin off about Brad's Pitt character for Netflix that Quentin Tarantino's writing the script. I just think it's really interesting that Quentin Tarantino is writing a script that he's not directing. It's had a long time since that happened. Since like True Romance or From Dust Till dawn, probably. [00:07:58] Speaker B: Is he gonna act in it? Like from Dusk till Dawn. [00:08:00] Speaker A: Hopefully not. [00:08:05] Speaker B: Or are you saying he's not a good actorman? [00:08:07] Speaker A: Oh, my God. When he's the Australian guy in fucking Dan Django Unchained, it's so. He's like, what's up, matey? I'm like, what the fuck is going on here? [00:08:16] Speaker B: Wait, I guess he also acted in fucking. Was it Death Proof that he was in. [00:08:20] Speaker A: Yeah, he's in all of them. And Jackie Brown. He's just a voice on an answering machine. And Kill Bill. I can't remember who he is. I think he's just a dead body. But no, he's the bartender in Death Proof. I remember because he goes Chartreuse. The only liquor so nice they named a color after it. [00:08:40] Speaker B: Well, this is the. The only terrible thing so nice they named a whole comic book after it. [00:08:47] Speaker A: So nice they named it twice. This is our second series called Violator. But according to image.com as we discovered, this is called Violator Colon Origins. [00:08:56] Speaker B: And that's. That's colon. Not. Not spelled out the colon. [00:09:00] Speaker A: No. [00:09:00] Speaker B: And not the origins of the colon. [00:09:02] Speaker A: I mean, hopefully not, though it would. [00:09:04] Speaker B: Be hilarious if it were actually just the origin story of the punctuation mark, the colon narrated by the Violator. [00:09:13] Speaker A: Here's how the colon started. No, we are doing Violator number one because we are Spawn. [00:09:22] Speaker B: Yes, indeed. [00:09:23] Speaker A: Regarding Spawn. And each week, we bring you two issues from Spawn's universe. Except when we don't, and today we don't. I'm sorry you're only getting one. [00:09:32] Speaker B: I'm not sorry. It would take us a week to cover two of these at once. [00:09:36] Speaker A: It's a huge. It's a big beefy boy. It's violator number one. All the way back from September 2024. [00:09:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:44] Speaker A: And, man, it's pretty damn good. [00:09:48] Speaker B: It's. It's. It's. It's a good one. [00:09:50] Speaker A: You know, I love about this Beefy boy, David. [00:09:52] Speaker B: What? [00:09:53] Speaker A: This. You can fold it over, and it doesn't like integrity. I love folding. So what I'm doing, guys, is I'm folding it over. So, like, the back pages are behind. So it's just, like, one page. And I love doing that. I love, like, folding the thing. [00:10:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:06] Speaker A: Really get to look at it. [00:10:07] Speaker B: Then it's like it's got all those process pages in the back that give it, like. Like some extra heft so that the last page isn't just, like, after you fold it. [00:10:16] Speaker A: Right. And, like, I don't know, it really drives home how high quality these Spawn comics are with the covers and the nice paper. [00:10:23] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. You know what else, you know, drives home the quality of this book, Johnny, is that 5.99 up in the corner. [00:10:31] Speaker A: Ooh. [00:10:32] Speaker B: Ooh. It was. [00:10:33] Speaker A: Gotcha. [00:10:35] Speaker B: That's a big beefy boy with a big beefy price. [00:10:37] Speaker A: Shirley Johnson was 5.99. Picked it up yesterday. [00:10:40] Speaker B: Oh, I. I haven't been. Haven't been. I have to go today. [00:10:45] Speaker A: Gotta get it. Curse of Shirley Johnson. [00:10:47] Speaker B: I'm. I'm fucking excited. Hell yeah. [00:10:50] Speaker A: I'm always gonna call it no Home here. [00:10:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Cuz it's. It's a better. It's a better title. [00:10:56] Speaker A: It's more enigmatic. [00:10:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:58] Speaker A: But maybe after reading it, I'll change my mind. But maybe it opens and she goes, this is my home. And I'm like, oh, that makes sense. There's not called no home here. [00:11:06] Speaker B: Well, Johnny, Johnny, we should. We should be respectful of the choices made by the individuals and refer to it by its real name. [00:11:14] Speaker A: Okay? Just like Violator. [00:11:16] Speaker B: Just like Violator. Yeah. We don't call him Basil anymore. [00:11:20] Speaker A: No, that'd be rude. [00:11:21] Speaker B: No, he's not a. He's not an old English gentleman anymore. Basil. [00:11:28] Speaker A: Basil. Not Basil, David. [00:11:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I know, I know. [00:11:32] Speaker A: Speaking of awesome powers, Basil Exposition. Mm. Yeah, we love him. Michael York. He gives the exposition, man. [00:11:41] Speaker B: Sorry, I'm still thinking about. The Violator's been around since the creation of Earth. You could literally make a history series hosted by the Violator. [00:11:50] Speaker A: Yeah, he should do a history. [00:11:52] Speaker B: Be like, you know how I know this? I was there. So just shut up and listen. [00:11:57] Speaker A: Yeah, it's interesting to see these humble origins of someone who becomes such a disgusting. [00:12:02] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Like. Like he was. [00:12:05] Speaker A: It's like Joe Rogan or Russell Brand. [00:12:09] Speaker B: I was gonna go a little more innocuous and say it's like a teen. A teen movie where it's just the dweeby nerd who has a villain turn because he's been a dweeby nerd. [00:12:22] Speaker A: A glow up or glow down. [00:12:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:24] Speaker A: Depending on how you look. [00:12:25] Speaker B: The evil version of the glow up. [00:12:28] Speaker A: Yes, the evil glow up. And that's what this issue's about, is an evil glow up. [00:12:35] Speaker B: I guess the. I guess the. The actual. The actual arc for that would be from. From bullied dweeb to school shooter, wouldn't it? [00:12:45] Speaker A: Ooh, yeah. Come on, David. [00:12:46] Speaker B: God damn it. That's even worse than your ep, than your examples. Let's stick to your examples. [00:12:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Come on. What are you. Who are you, Stephen King? [00:12:55] Speaker B: Still Stephen? Yeah, maybe. Or the. The you know about that? [00:12:57] Speaker A: The band story? [00:12:59] Speaker B: The. The writers of the first season of American Horror Story. I do not know the band. Oh, no, the. The book Rage, that he's not gonna. Not gonna republish anymore. [00:13:08] Speaker A: Yes, I'm banned. But he's like, I fucked up. I shouldn't write a thing. Glorifying a school shooter. [00:13:13] Speaker B: Yeah, but I mean, he did also write it in, like, the 80s. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:13:17] Speaker A: It was a Bachmann book. One of the Richard Bachmann books. I have a copy. [00:13:20] Speaker B: Oh, nice. [00:13:21] Speaker A: It is. I found it a thrift store. It was $20, and it looks like it's literally falling apart, but I was like, oh, my God, it's Rage. I'm never going to find this again. [00:13:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, you could probably sell it for more than that, even if it's in worse condition now. [00:13:35] Speaker A: It was. That actually was at a used bookstore in Milwaukee. [00:13:39] Speaker B: Nice. Milwaukee. No stranger to terrible. [00:13:43] Speaker A: No, not Milwaukee. It was Wisconsin. What's the big town in Wisconsin? [00:13:45] Speaker B: Milwaukee's in Wisconsin. [00:13:47] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Okay. I was thinking Michigan. Milwaukee. It was in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. We got the. I got a copy of Rage by Stephen King. [00:13:55] Speaker B: Nice. Nice. Milwaukee especially is no. No stranger to bad things because that's where fucking. What's his face. The pretty boy with the not. Ed gain. Ed gain was higher up. He was near Minnesota. [00:14:12] Speaker A: Dahmer. [00:14:13] Speaker B: Dahmer. [00:14:15] Speaker A: The sexy one. [00:14:16] Speaker B: The sexy one. Yeah. I have a. I have a friend who grew up in the suburbs of Milwaukee in the late 80s. [00:14:23] Speaker A: Oh, cool. [00:14:24] Speaker B: So. So he was a. He was a young boy at the time that Dahmer was killing young boys. [00:14:29] Speaker A: Yikes. [00:14:30] Speaker B: Yeah, he's safe, though. He's a. He's a professor now, so. [00:14:33] Speaker A: Okay, well, Jeffrey Dahmer is probably a demon, and we're dealing with demons this week. [00:14:39] Speaker B: Oh, he. Yeah, Dude. They could make serial killers in hell. [00:14:47] Speaker A: You know, Serial killers in hell. [00:14:50] Speaker B: In. In the sponsor universe, you know, that would get the. That would get the white woman contingent who love to hear about serial killers and murders. Johnny. They could expand the audience. [00:15:02] Speaker A: I used to listen to my favorite murder podcast, and then, like, one of them, like, really fucking upset me, so I can't do that shit anymore. [00:15:08] Speaker B: I used to listen to Sword and Scale, and I just couldn't. After. After, like, six of them, I was like, oh, boy. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. [00:15:16] Speaker A: Cannot. [00:15:17] Speaker B: Cannot. [00:15:19] Speaker A: But we have Violator number one, and we start not with serial killers. No, we start with the covers. [00:15:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Serial covers. [00:15:28] Speaker A: There's a. This is a serial story. [00:15:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:31] Speaker A: And it. [00:15:36] Speaker B: 3. [00:15:38] Speaker A: 3 I have the B cover. I believe you have the C cover. [00:15:44] Speaker B: I have the C cover, yes. [00:15:45] Speaker A: But let's talk about the A cover. [00:15:46] Speaker B: Yes, the A cover done by the interior artist himself, a. Piet Kowalski. [00:15:55] Speaker A: Piet Kowalski. What? [00:16:00] Speaker B: I wanna. I wanna yell Kowalski, like fucking Wazowski. [00:16:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Because you got that bookmark. [00:16:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to. I wanted our opening reading to be from Paradise Lost, but I was. I was too inebriated to realize that I couldn't read a whole 300 page poem in one evening. And the bookmark that was in there is Sully from Monsters, Inc. That's the book, Sully. It's great. [00:16:31] Speaker A: I use a myopic bookmark from the store in Chicago. [00:16:33] Speaker B: Oh, nice, nice. I. I often don't like the bookmarks that the stores give you because they're usually too big for the books I buy. Yeah, they would fit great in a hardback book. But I often don't get hard to use trading cards. I use trading cards. I've got some. I've got. They're floating around all over the place. I've got some magic cards. I've got some Garbage Pail Kid cards. I've got those cards that come with the Spawn action figures every once in a while. [00:17:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I use those. Yeah. Yep. But, yeah, so by Kowalski here, we've got. [00:17:08] Speaker B: It's very. It's a very good cover. It's. Well, it's basically the whole story in a single. In a single image. [00:17:18] Speaker A: Yeah. If you have basil falling. [00:17:20] Speaker B: Huh. His wings burning and then from the flames rising, the Violator, as we know him. [00:17:27] Speaker A: The violator. Mr. Violator. I like the Violator. It's a great design. [00:17:31] Speaker B: It's. It's. This is a great execution of it, too. He's got those big. I like his big horns. He's got. He's got teeth that look like they fit together much better than the traditional violator. Yeah, his jaws. His jaw's beefier, too. It's not so. Not so delicate. [00:17:54] Speaker A: I'm glad we get the skinny violator in these. The beefy one's fine, but I prefer the skinny boy. [00:18:00] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's. He's creepier. He's a creeper. [00:18:04] Speaker A: He's definitely creepier. He's a creep, just like me. [00:18:08] Speaker B: He's a weirdo. [00:18:11] Speaker A: Hey, they don't play that live. David, stop singing that. [00:18:14] Speaker B: They don't. [00:18:15] Speaker A: And I think. I think that was, like, they didn't play it for a long time or something. [00:18:18] Speaker B: Well, I mean, I have a feeling that if you're an artist who gets very popular on a single song, and that's the song everybody wants to hear you play. After a while, you're like, please, Free Bird. Isn't that. That's. That was like the impetus behind a few years ago, Weird Al's tour was just original songs. It was like, I'm just playing my original songs, you guys. [00:18:41] Speaker A: No parody. [00:18:42] Speaker B: No parody. [00:18:43] Speaker A: Well, the B cover, which is the one I have, is by Francesco Mattina, and it has Violator about to devour Gabrielle. [00:18:58] Speaker B: Yeah, I thought it ended with an A. Hold on. [00:19:01] Speaker A: Gabriella. [00:19:02] Speaker B: Gloriana. [00:19:03] Speaker A: Oh, God. Gloriana. [00:19:04] Speaker B: I was. I was way off. That was me. That was me. I put that. I put that terrible. [00:19:09] Speaker A: You did. You put that in my head? God damn you. God damn you to hell. [00:19:15] Speaker B: I mean, I'll be in good company, apparently. Or at least some company. I don't know if. [00:19:19] Speaker A: Yeah, but it's. Yeah, it's the Violator devouring Gloriana or about to. [00:19:30] Speaker B: And he's got like his tongue coming out of his mouth and like wrapping around her face. Kinda like fucking alien style. [00:19:38] Speaker A: Yeah. She's like, caressing his hand. It's pretty wild. [00:19:45] Speaker B: And there's. I mean, it looks like a. It looks kind of like a spawn cape effect, but there's no spawn there. [00:19:50] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like the blood swirling. [00:19:52] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's just like a whole bunch of bones just swirling around them. It's like a bone vortex that they're in. Bone vortex. Good band name. [00:20:01] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. And while we're talking about the COVID we gotta mention they use that same title treatment from the 90s, violator. [00:20:06] Speaker B: Oh, yes. [00:20:07] Speaker A: When we talked to Thomas Ely about it, he was like, why wouldn't we use that? It's perfect. [00:20:11] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It's absolutely perfect. It's. It's just like blood splatter. It's real good. And then I have the C cover, the Todd McFarlane cover, and it's just Todd McFarlane. [00:20:25] Speaker A: I know, I'm kidding. Drawing the Violator. Insane. [00:20:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:20:30] Speaker A: He doesn't do interior pages. He's lazy. [00:20:36] Speaker B: But it's just the classic Violator, like. [00:20:39] Speaker A: Sitting on the wall. [00:20:40] Speaker B: Like, you could just like cut this out and drop it in your issue one or maybe an issue three, and it would fit perfectly. [00:20:49] Speaker A: Yeah. He's against ripping out mobsters hearts like he did back in the day. [00:20:53] Speaker B: He's got spit just flying everywhere out of his mouth. Yeah. The only thing. The only thing that makes him not super classic violators. He doesn't have like a Hot dog or some shit. [00:21:04] Speaker A: Hand. Where's the hot dog? [00:21:06] Speaker B: Where's the release? The hot dog. Cut. But this also has a first Origins issue in the corner. [00:21:19] Speaker A: Yes. Gotta get those issue number ones. Those are always popular. [00:21:23] Speaker B: Yes, indeed. They're gonna be worth a. They're gonna be worth a fortune in the future, Johnny. [00:21:29] Speaker A: I'm pretty sure you can get all six of these for cheaper than their cover price on ebay. [00:21:32] Speaker B: Probably. Probably. And the. When the trade paperback comes out, I'm sure it's very reasonably priced. Yeah, probably. I would say probably $20, which would be half price based on the coverage. What are we doing, Johnny? I don't know. We're having a good time is what we're doing. [00:21:53] Speaker A: Yes, we are. And who are the creators of this good time? Let's find out. Let's pop it open, man. Let's check out the credits. [00:22:04] Speaker B: I forgot what they were called for a second. [00:22:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm just looking at some of these names. Why don't you take this one, David? [00:22:11] Speaker B: Okay, we've got script plot by Mark Andreko. [00:22:16] Speaker A: Very good. [00:22:17] Speaker B: Art by Piet Kowalski. [00:22:20] Speaker A: Very good. [00:22:21] Speaker B: I don't know if I can get this one, Johnny. We got color by B. Rad Simpson. [00:22:26] Speaker A: Brad Simpson. [00:22:27] Speaker B: Brad Simpson, Bart Simpson. Don't have a cow, man. We got lettering by and World Design. We covered the covers. Creative director is Todd McFarlane and the editor in chief is Mr. Thomas Healy. [00:22:42] Speaker A: And previously, there's a fun little credit at the bottom. They don't normally have Violator created by Todd McFarlane. Yeah, he loves being the creator. [00:22:51] Speaker B: Previously in Violator. Johnny, there's. There's no. Previously on. This is the beginning of Violators. [00:22:59] Speaker A: So this is the beginning. This is the very start. [00:23:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:02] Speaker A: Previously in Violator. Todd McFarlane thought of him in the 90s or probably the 80s, probably. [00:23:07] Speaker B: He saw that sign that said violators will be prosecuted and was like. [00:23:13] Speaker A: I think it was a towing sign. His violators will be towed. Okay, maybe it was prosecuted. [00:23:17] Speaker B: I. I heard the story from you, so all I remember is that it's about. Oh, actually the story is prosecuted because. [00:23:24] Speaker A: It'S in the background on one of the covers. [00:23:25] Speaker B: Yeah, because. Because I actually, I think Mark Spears told us that story. I think he did because it was for one of those covers. Hell yeah. Hell yeah, man. All this, all this. This knowledge is just like smooshing together. There's no beginning and no end, Johnny. [00:23:42] Speaker A: It's the spawn of Oris, as we've said many times. Yeah. So that's the credits. All these great People created this great book. [00:23:50] Speaker B: Oh, man. It feels like we're stalling. [00:23:53] Speaker A: No, I mean, we're just ready to get into it. [00:23:56] Speaker B: Let's get into. Let's fucking get into it. [00:23:58] Speaker A: All right. [00:23:58] Speaker B: We're gonna talk about this book for a while because it's beefy and it's very good. [00:24:03] Speaker A: So it opens. [00:24:04] Speaker B: Yes. [00:24:05] Speaker A: On the Violator as we know him. I like the Three Horned Menace himself. [00:24:10] Speaker B: I like the double row of bottom teeth. That's. [00:24:12] Speaker A: That's sinister. [00:24:14] Speaker B: Never seen that before. It's. It's a great touch. [00:24:16] Speaker A: That'd be painful to eat. To be eaten by. [00:24:19] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. [00:24:20] Speaker A: Get the double bite. [00:24:24] Speaker B: It's like a shark's mouth. [00:24:25] Speaker A: And this is kind of a reference to, like, his first appearance where he's like, oh, hey, how's it going? Where he, like, breaks it down for you. [00:24:31] Speaker B: He's just hanging in the alley. I actually think he's hanging in an alley. Yeah, he's brick building, just bumming around. [00:24:38] Speaker A: And he's just like, oh, you know, why. [00:24:41] Speaker B: Didn't see you there. [00:24:42] Speaker A: Didn't see you there. And he's like, you came for a story or six, isn't that right? That's what you shall get. And he's about to give us a peek into the glorious. Into what made him the glorious manipulator that you see before you. [00:24:58] Speaker B: He's actually. He's actually a very good. He's actually a very good host. He could. He could probably fill in for the Crypt Keeper if the crypto has a vacation. He can't. He can't skip. [00:25:10] Speaker A: He's keeper adjacent. Definitely. [00:25:14] Speaker B: I don't know if his puns could be worse or not. [00:25:17] Speaker A: Yeah, he's got creep. Keepers are pretty bad. [00:25:20] Speaker B: Yeah. But, yeah, I don't. Yeah, I was frightened of the Crypt Keeper as a child, and then when I grow up, I was like, oh, this dude is. This dude is hilarious. [00:25:30] Speaker A: We would watch the opening credits when mom let us watch the opening credits and, like, his opening introduction, and then we had to, like, stop watching it. [00:25:40] Speaker B: Well, obviously, because we, as previously discussed you, the disgusting Tales from the Crypt story imprinted on you mightily. [00:25:49] Speaker A: That's from the 70s movie. [00:25:50] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So your mom sounds like a smart lady, Johnny. [00:25:54] Speaker A: Yeah, she showed me the fucking omen at like, 3:00 clock on a Sunday on TV, and then I had to go to church. I was terrified. [00:26:04] Speaker B: Well, I mean, in her defense, that's probably the best time to watch the Omen is before you got to go to church. [00:26:09] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it's not. Because a lot of scary shit happens in churches. That priest gets hit by the lightning. [00:26:14] Speaker B: Pole, but Johnny, they kill. [00:26:15] Speaker A: They try to kill the baby, the kid in a church. [00:26:18] Speaker B: Maybe your mom saw you not paying attention in church and she knew that if she gave you some motivation to be like, oh, I'd be a good boy, that you'd be a good boy. [00:26:28] Speaker A: No, my mom just loves those 70s, like horror Satan movies. She loves the Exorcist. She loves the Omen. It is Rosemary's baby. [00:26:36] Speaker B: It is a vibe. It is definitely. [00:26:38] Speaker A: I mean, they were big when she was in her like 20s or 30s. And she said she remembers driving home for the Omen. They saw their drive in, I think in Tulsa probably. And she just remember being fucking terrified. [00:26:49] Speaker B: Yeah, I wish. I wish I got as terrified at movies as I used to. [00:26:53] Speaker A: Last movie that really deeply scared me. I mean, hereditary kept me up a little bit. [00:26:59] Speaker B: Hereditary was intense. [00:27:00] Speaker A: Yeah. But like the last one that like I couldn't, like, almost couldn't sleep was actually a documentary called the Nightmare. And it was about sleep paralysis and nightmares. It was terrifying. [00:27:12] Speaker B: Yeah, sleep paralysis fucking sucks. [00:27:15] Speaker A: Never had it. Knock on wood. [00:27:17] Speaker B: Well, hopefully, hopefully the Tall man doesn't. [00:27:21] Speaker A: Don't fucking say that shit, man. I don't want to think about that shit. [00:27:26] Speaker B: Well, why don't we think about this instead? [00:27:27] Speaker A: I think my body couldn't handle a night terror, so that's why it doesn't allow them to happen. [00:27:33] Speaker B: Maybe, maybe let's. Let's stop talking about that and start talking about this. Johnny. The end of the beginning. [00:27:41] Speaker A: Yes. As the Bible says, we're going to start at the beginning. Not the beginning beginning. Everyone knows that. Highly embellished story. But this is the beginning of heaven. Bh. Which means before humans for you mouth breathers out there. [00:27:56] Speaker B: And we got this great two page spread of just the angels in heaven chilling on like these big roots. And there's like columns in the background and there's fire, but it's not like malicious fire. [00:28:13] Speaker A: There's like. Yeah, it's crazy looking. [00:28:16] Speaker B: There's so many lines on this page. I have absolutely no idea how like they, they show the uncolored version of this in the back and oh boy, oh boy. How if you were presented with this, would you be like, oh, oh, I know. Oh boy. What am I supposed to put colors. [00:28:37] Speaker A: Everywhere? [00:28:38] Speaker B: So much detail. It's insanely good. [00:28:41] Speaker A: Yeah, he even gave the ladies nipples. [00:28:45] Speaker B: Hey, Bunk. [00:28:47] Speaker A: But yeah, all the angels are there. They got these kind of cool. Like their suits are like these Cool. Like, I guess their skin or like whatever they're wearing. [00:28:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I. I definitely think they are suits of a kind. They kind of look like the. The Francis Ford Coppola Dracula armor. Yeah, a little bit, only not so bulky. [00:29:09] Speaker A: Kind of reminds me of something like, looks like with the engineers on alienware, like something like that. [00:29:14] Speaker B: Yeah. It is rather Giger esque. [00:29:18] Speaker A: Yes. [00:29:21] Speaker B: And like, they all have like a different. Different pattern. Man. Oh, I guess. I guess, actually probably. It's probably sort of a heaven version of like a K7 Letha. [00:29:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:35] Speaker B: Type thing, I imagine, I assume. [00:29:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:39] Speaker B: And then we. We turn the page and we. We get our first introduction to Violator, pre Violator, as Basil, in doing angelic dance with the angel with whom he has been partnered. Gloriana. Or paired. Sorry. [00:30:02] Speaker A: And then he says, I'm going to shut up and let you see for yourself. [00:30:05] Speaker B: Yeah. And they had a purpose. Their grand design was to shape the infinite stuff of the cosmos and make light out of darkness. So they're. They're worker bees, these angels. They're. They're the ones tasked with the. The making that the Creator has dictated must have occur. Yeah, he does. He does say, I'm gonna shut up and let you. And let you see for yourself. And then Gloriana starts talking to Basil and says Basil aloud. Then Violator comes back and he's like, I lied. I lied. The B word. That. That was. That was my name. [00:30:41] Speaker A: Like hundreds of humans, I embraced the ability to change my identity. And my reasons were, no, I'll stop talking, I promise. [00:30:48] Speaker B: He's like. He's like me, Johnny. But he actually has the self control to stop. [00:30:54] Speaker A: Yes. And, yeah, there's. The creator's been working them very hard. Loriana doesn't really understand why. And then. [00:31:03] Speaker B: Well, Gloriana doesn't understand why Basil is acting the way he does. She's like, we're. We've got this glorious purpose. What's wrong with you, bud? [00:31:14] Speaker A: Yeah, but. [00:31:15] Speaker B: Oh, no, actually, you're right, because Gloriana, I'm thinking of later, Gloriana is like, I wonder why we're working, why we're working so hard. And Basil's like, I don't question the maker. And she's like, why don't I believe you? [00:31:28] Speaker A: And there's this giant, like, sun exploding. I'm assuming it's the formation of the earth. [00:31:33] Speaker B: And there's fire and water and just the soup of creation, Joni. [00:31:41] Speaker A: The stuff dreams are made of. [00:31:44] Speaker B: And then. And then we turn the page and we see Gloriana and Basil have split off to do things. You know, they're going to work, so they're not together every day. And Gloriana goes to, like, the blacksmith armorer, making a whole bunch of swords. [00:32:03] Speaker A: She scraps all her gear for materials and levels it up. Her gear? [00:32:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:09] Speaker A: Oh, sorry. I see a blacksmith and I just think of Diablo. [00:32:12] Speaker B: Yeah. He's got a massive hammer and a gigantic anvil. Look at that thing. How much you think that heavenly anvil weighs, Johnny? [00:32:21] Speaker A: Oh, as much as 10 violators, probably. [00:32:25] Speaker B: Probably. I do like that every sword in the background on the wall is different. [00:32:32] Speaker A: Yeah, it's cool. [00:32:32] Speaker B: So. So not only is this a blacksmith making. Creating things, but each one is. Is distinct and different. And while Gloriana is at the blacksmiths, there's also. There's also. There's also a little. A little. A little intrigue there because. Because Gloriana's like, I've been paired with Basil, and so that's my mate. And blacksmith is like, oh, really? Now you sure about that, blacksmith? A little. A little. Will they, won't they there? [00:33:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:05] Speaker B: But while Gloriana's at the blacksmith, Baziel has gone to see Lucifer. [00:33:11] Speaker A: He's called Morningstar. Is that just another name for Lucifer? [00:33:14] Speaker B: Yeah, well, Lucifer means Lightbringer, so I think. I think commonly it's Lucifer Morningstar. [00:33:22] Speaker A: Okay. Or Beelzebub. [00:33:25] Speaker B: Well, no, Beelzebub is the Lord of the flies, technically a distinct individual. [00:33:28] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [00:33:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:30] Speaker A: Asmodeus, Sarthalis, Lucifer. [00:33:37] Speaker B: Oh, Johnny, since we got a ghost break now, we haven't discussed favorite song on the new ghost album. Skeleta. Hit me with it. [00:33:48] Speaker A: Lacrima. [00:33:49] Speaker B: Lacrima. It's a good one. Minus Cenotaph. [00:33:52] Speaker A: I mean, that one's up there. I almost said that, too. [00:33:54] Speaker B: It's a fucking. [00:33:56] Speaker A: It's Brandon saying it's like a B side from the fucking Top Gun album. Yeah, yeah, it has. It sounds like, so 80s and like. [00:34:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:04] Speaker A: Feels like you're flying around a jet. [00:34:06] Speaker B: Yeah, it's so good. It's so good. [00:34:09] Speaker A: What did Brand say? It's like the. It's like the intro to like an 80s cartoon, like SWAT cats or something. [00:34:14] Speaker B: I also do like the. The fucking around on the hi hats is how it opens. And that's. Yeah, it's the upbeat. I like the upbeat of it. It's fun. [00:34:22] Speaker A: The one that was stuck in my head this morning was Marks of the evil one. There, there. The matcha spreading everywhere. [00:34:33] Speaker B: It's a good one. It's just a fucking great album. [00:34:37] Speaker A: It's really good. [00:34:38] Speaker B: It's really good. [00:34:39] Speaker A: At first I was like, I don't know if it's all that good, but like, yeah, it's good. The only thing I don't like is Misael Omori is a shitty song. [00:34:45] Speaker B: Is that the last one? [00:34:46] Speaker A: Love Missiles. No, the Love Missiles. I just like about cum. Like, what the fuck's going on here? [00:34:52] Speaker B: I. I wonder if he changes to it to shooting between your thighs in the live shows. [00:35:01] Speaker A: Oh. Instead of eyes. [00:35:03] Speaker B: I would be willing to bet that at some point he changes it to thighs and gives a little. [00:35:09] Speaker A: Well, I've heard. So I haven't been reading any spoilers or nothing, but I've heard Papa 5 is mean. [00:35:17] Speaker B: Oh, no, he's not. [00:35:18] Speaker A: Like, he's not carnal copia, dude. [00:35:20] Speaker B: He's not. [00:35:21] Speaker A: He's not. He's not cheeky. [00:35:22] Speaker B: Oh, man. [00:35:23] Speaker A: That was like, mean and intense. [00:35:26] Speaker B: So he's more like the second Papa. Papa, too. [00:35:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:29] Speaker B: Is that. That's not emeritus. [00:35:31] Speaker A: That's infinitesium. [00:35:32] Speaker B: Infinitesium. Because he was. He was a mean. He was a. He was a. He was a. [00:35:36] Speaker A: He was a mean old bastard. He's like an old Italian gangster. [00:35:40] Speaker B: Well, interesting. Interesting. [00:35:41] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll find out, but if we ever get tickets. [00:35:44] Speaker B: But, yeah, but yes. So Basil goes and talks to Lucifer, and they're picking up an old conversation that they've had. And. And this is the. The seed of. Well, literally Lucifer's whole thing is he. He has discovered something wrong in Heaven and is trying to spread the message of there's something wrong in Heaven. And he starts here with Basil. Because at one point, Lucifer was able to creep up on the Creator while the Creator was embroiled in his way, what he does. And Lucifer saw him making new creatures, like a replacement for the angels. And he felt betrayed because they were. They were the perfect beings created by their perfect creator. And why would. Why would he go and create new beings if they weren't perfect? So what's. Yeah, it's great. It's a. It's a little. It's a little. An analogy that Basio comes up with is that he says there what we're creating are replacements. And it's a little bit like training the person who just took your job. [00:37:09] Speaker A: Yeah, pretty much. [00:37:10] Speaker B: Which. That's. Yeah. [00:37:12] Speaker A: I love how the creators are a Dr. Manhattan. [00:37:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:16] Speaker A: Forming the Earth. [00:37:18] Speaker B: Like, he's just got that pluma, like, spirit energy coming out of his head. [00:37:24] Speaker A: It's like his head. So is it brain. So uncontrollable. [00:37:27] Speaker B: Just spilling his ether. [00:37:30] Speaker A: Yeah. And he realized that when he saw this, him creating the Earth and the humans, that they were just pawns. [00:37:36] Speaker B: Yeah. This. This little scene here with. With Lucifer sharing his vision with Basil. And like, as he does it, his. He just like. And dark face and actually looks a lot like a nightmare I had as a child. [00:37:58] Speaker A: Oh, God. [00:38:00] Speaker B: Based. Based off of a very lovely lady at the carpet wholesaler that I. We went to a carpet wholesaler for some reason when I was like six. [00:38:10] Speaker A: Okay. [00:38:11] Speaker B: And like, she was just a very nice, very Southern lady. Very big hair, makeup, red power suit, all that. Very lovely lady. But then in my dreams, my dream that night was something was going on in the back of this carpet. Whole sailor and there was this demon that. The front half of her was this very nice Southern lady. But then the back of her was just like. Basically her hair was like tentacles and monstering out. And like, if you saw her from the front, it was fine. But as soon as she wasn't looking at you with her front, her hair, tentacles could go out and get you kind of like only. [00:38:53] Speaker A: Or frightening. [00:38:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:55] Speaker A: You're seeing malignant. [00:38:57] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. With the little. [00:38:59] Speaker A: With the little guy. Yeah. [00:39:02] Speaker B: The fucking. [00:39:03] Speaker A: That fight scene in the jail cell. So crazy. [00:39:05] Speaker B: That's weird. Not. James wants best, but really, I love it. [00:39:09] Speaker A: I mean, it's not as good as like the conjuring or the Conjuring. [00:39:12] Speaker B: Not his best, but fucking fantastic. [00:39:15] Speaker A: That's true. [00:39:16] Speaker B: James Wan does excellent shit. He did the. He did the pilot for the Swamp Thing show, which was fucking incredible, but got canceled. [00:39:26] Speaker A: You know what's really good? [00:39:27] Speaker B: What's that? [00:39:28] Speaker A: The Conjuring 2. [00:39:29] Speaker B: Conjuring 2. [00:39:30] Speaker A: I don't ever talk about the Conjuring, but Conjuring 2 is scary as fuck. There's like so many fright sequences. Like, it's unrelenting every time. It's like nighttime. You're scared and like. I love the story of the family. [00:39:40] Speaker B: That might actually be the last movie. That really scared me because the. The reveal of the nun. I think about the reveal of the nun at least. [00:39:46] Speaker A: Oh, God. Yeah. Valak. [00:39:48] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's just like she turns around and sees the picture and then she comes out of the picture. It's like. [00:39:53] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. No, it's. It's a great movie. And you get Patrick Wilson singing an Elvis song. [00:39:58] Speaker B: Come on. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's. It. It is. I think we've talked about this before. It. It has so much stuff in it that it could very easily just like fall off. Oh, yeah, they maintain it. It is. It is. Like, perfectly tuned. [00:40:14] Speaker A: Yeah. I never see that theater. Really, really, really got to me. [00:40:17] Speaker B: Oh, geez. I don't know if I would have survived seeing it in the theater. [00:40:20] Speaker A: It was intense, man. Everything went dark. It was. Everyone. The audience was like. Oh, like anytime. It was like a nighttime scene. [00:40:28] Speaker B: Oh, man, they got that. That. That tall, slender guy with like, the crooked man. Oh, no, he doesn't have the merry go round head the merry go round with some. Something else. He's got the bowler hat. [00:40:38] Speaker A: He's got a bowler. He comes out of like a Jack in the box type merry go round thing. [00:40:42] Speaker B: Yeah. And then there's like the. The circus tent that the kids play in. That. It's. [00:40:46] Speaker A: Yes, that's where it comes out of. I think you're confusing with Beetlejuice where he has the. [00:40:50] Speaker B: I think I am. [00:40:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Beetlejuice on the brain. [00:40:56] Speaker B: Beetlejuice. It was a good. It was. I watched. Just watched Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. And it was good. It was good. [00:41:02] Speaker A: It's good, huh? Little stuff. Speaking of overstuffed. [00:41:05] Speaker B: Yeah, it. It was. It was very overstuffed. [00:41:07] Speaker A: Could have cut a couple characters, probably. [00:41:08] Speaker B: Practical effects. Oh, yeah, Phenomenal. So good. I like. I liked how they got around not hiring pedophile Jeffrey Jones. [00:41:18] Speaker A: I know. Claymation. Yeah. Oh, he's bitten half. [00:41:23] Speaker B: He's bit in half. And then in the waiting room, he's next to some. Some Seros who also got attacked by a sharks. Yeah, hilarious. [00:41:31] Speaker A: Yeah, I thought it was pretty good. It's just a little overstuffed. I like the MacArthur park sequence. I thought it was a good spiritual successor. I like Jen Ortega. She's really good. Yeah, it was good. Wyoming Ryder was awesome. [00:41:46] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. [00:41:47] Speaker A: Justin Thoreau was pretty funny. [00:41:49] Speaker B: Yeah, he was. He plays a good sleaze ball. [00:41:52] Speaker A: Yeah, he's a piece of. [00:41:53] Speaker B: Yeah. I fucking love the. Not Moira. Moira Sushi's fucking her mom's death or her stepmom, I guess. [00:42:03] Speaker A: Yes. The snake. [00:42:05] Speaker B: The snakes. I like the Soul Train. The Soul Train was funny. [00:42:10] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:42:12] Speaker B: There's a lot in there. It needs to be prepared a little bit. [00:42:16] Speaker A: Yeah. It was still fun. I love one of my favorite Justin Theroux sleazeballs is his very brief cameo in the Last Jedi where he's the high roller and he just goes, not now, dearie, I'm on a roll. It, like, rolls the dice. [00:42:33] Speaker B: Is this before or after Dabusque thinks the BB8 is a slot machine? [00:42:36] Speaker A: That's like, right before he, like, he's the guy they're supposed to get with the red plum bloom. [00:42:42] Speaker B: Okay. [00:42:42] Speaker A: But they. But they end up with DJ instead, and we know how that goes for him. [00:42:46] Speaker B: Not very well. [00:42:47] Speaker A: DJs awesome, though. [00:42:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:49] Speaker A: It's cool to have, like. And what Rian Johnson said he was trying to do in the commentary is like, every scoundrel that we know in Star wars has pretty much turned out to be good Han Solo Lando. And he's like, what if they just turned out to be bad? [00:43:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:02] Speaker A: And I liked it. [00:43:03] Speaker B: That's fun. Yeah. Oh, man. But so after. After Lucifer shares his. His memory vision with Basil, Gloriana shows up, and it's kind of like, am I. Am I interrupting boys? But no, actually, she. She's wondering if the morning star. Because apparently Lucifer has a. Has a reputation. [00:43:29] Speaker A: He has a reputation for being a little stinker. [00:43:31] Speaker B: Yeah. And Gloriana is like, is he trying to tempt you? And he. And Baz is like, oh, no, no. She's like, I'm just kidding you. What the. Gloriana's got this fucking sword and she's got it across her shoulders, and she's. She's like, are you okay, bud? And Morningstar is over there, you know, speaking up for him. Being like, no, no, he's just tired. We're all tired. He's just. He's just Freudian slip. And. And Gloriana is like, sure, okay, whatever. Gloriana does not like Morningstar at all, but it's like Basil's best friend. And so it's like Basil's paired. Angel doesn't like his. His best friend. They. They make it work, I guess. [00:44:21] Speaker A: That sucks. [00:44:22] Speaker B: Briefly. And then, you know, Basil's flying away, and he is. The concern on his face is just. [00:44:32] Speaker A: Yeah. He's so tormented and torn. [00:44:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:36] Speaker A: It's like, what if Lucer says it's true and the Creator only sees us as cogs and the greater machine, we. [00:44:42] Speaker B: Mean nothing to him. Less than nothing. That's a. That's a terrible. A terrible thought to place on somebody who's literally been created and told that they've been the perfect creation and that they will continue to make perfect creation. It's. It doesn't so obviously, like, you need to kind of understand the. The whole fall of Lucifer, the Schism of Heaven story, because that's. That's happening in the background. They don't go into that. But this is a nice, like, zoom in on one person, like, coming to the realization within this war of. Oh, the. What the. What the hell is happening? [00:45:22] Speaker A: Yes. [00:45:23] Speaker B: It's great. It's Great. [00:45:26] Speaker A: Yeah. And just that conflict of, like, what he said. I love that when he says, with something rattling my very core, like, this would. Nonsense. Rattle to me. My very core. Like this. [00:45:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:35] Speaker A: And that's when you get, like, that thing in your head that won't go away, whether it's an idea or a thought or, like, you hear something. You're like, maybe there's something to that just eating away. You can really feel his torment. [00:45:45] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It's very well done. And then so he's. He's just there. He's just floating in the ether, and he. He says, I am lost. And then somebody comes up behind him and covers his eyes and does. Who's there? It's Gloriana. And Gloriana's like, what the fuck? That just crept up on you, dude? What the shit's going on? And he's like, I'm. I'm. I'm distracted. It's nothing I can speak of. [00:46:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:13] Speaker B: And then we. Gloriana says. Says something that is very important throughout the rest of the miniseries. And she says, basil, you know, you can tell me anything at all. And that's. That's her promise to him that he takes her up on it and he says, have you ever doubted the Creator? And she's like, what the fuck are you talking about? [00:46:39] Speaker A: Yeah, what? Like, you can't react that way when you say you can tell whatever you want. [00:46:43] Speaker B: Yeah. She's like, where would you get such an idea from? He's like, the Creator made everything around us. What makes you question him? And Basil is just kind of like, you know, he's still figuring it out for himself. And so he's not very assertive in it, obviously, because he's questioning. He doesn't have the answer yet. And then she's like, this is that. Lucifer's doing this? [00:47:08] Speaker A: Is that Lucifer, dude? [00:47:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Now he's sharing his blasphemes. Openly. [00:47:14] Speaker A: Listening to ghosts. [00:47:16] Speaker B: That's a fun accusation. [00:47:18] Speaker A: Watching the Omen. [00:47:19] Speaker B: Making. Making children watch scary movies, Playing records. [00:47:23] Speaker A: Backwards. [00:47:25] Speaker B: He's doing that backward. Masking. [00:47:27] Speaker A: Don't do it. You'll open the gate to hell. [00:47:29] Speaker B: Gloriana is just upset, and she's like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna make sure that Lucifer gets what's coming to him. And she says, and you. You're gonna find your faith in the Creator once more. And he's like, like, but what. What if I can't? And then she's like, then worse than me is gonna. You're gonna have to deal with worse than Me. And then just flies away. It's intense. It's intense. It's beautiful. It's so fucking beautiful. [00:47:56] Speaker A: This next thing's beautiful because we go to the angels. [00:48:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:00] Speaker A: Basically what they're doing is they're creating earth. [00:48:02] Speaker B: Yeah, they're creating earth. It's like basil is landing down on a barren landscape. And then they're bringing forth the green and the red. [00:48:13] Speaker A: There's beautiful flowers, bees. [00:48:19] Speaker B: And then we turn the page and then it's just like a one and a little sliver page spread of. Of just like the angels toiling to create the beasts and the plants of the earth. Yeah. And then at one point, I guess during break, Basil is just like sitting in this lush verdant sea that they've just created. And one of his angel palace is like, looks like something's bothering you, bud. You okay over there? [00:48:50] Speaker A: I like how he says, are you feeling creation sickness? I guess you create too much. It makes your. Makes you sick. [00:48:59] Speaker B: Yeah. I guess it's an interesting, interesting thought. Maybe it's like a. It's akin to hatters ingesting too much mercury from creating too many hats and they go insane. Maybe it was a spiritual. [00:49:16] Speaker A: Analog or like popcorn lung. [00:49:19] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:49:21] Speaker A: Because that comes the term. It doesn't turn your lung into popcorn. The term comes from popcorn factories. [00:49:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:26] Speaker A: Where there's some chemical agent that's in a lot of vapes that is also in the place where they make microwavable popcorn. [00:49:34] Speaker B: Very exciting. Yeah, it's. Man. Lungs are amazing though. Holy shit. [00:49:42] Speaker A: Yeah, They're a strong organ. [00:49:44] Speaker B: I used to work on. We used to do asbestos mediated autophagy and cancer research and shit was fun as hell. [00:49:57] Speaker A: That's cool. [00:49:57] Speaker B: Lungs are. Lungs are so cool. If you can avoid it. Johnny. I know, I know your trajectory is leading you there, but if you ever get the chance to do metabolism research, don't fucking do it. It sucks. Okay. So bad. It is so goddamn hard. [00:50:17] Speaker A: But why is my track leading me there? [00:50:21] Speaker B: I don't know. I see within you a great scientist. [00:50:25] Speaker A: Okay. [00:50:27] Speaker B: You were very detail oriented. And that is something that is necessary for science and research. And I could see. If you ever wanted to change careers, I could see you being a fantastic tech. [00:50:43] Speaker A: Okay. I'll think about it. [00:50:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Do. Yeah, we'd have. [00:50:46] Speaker A: I'm interested in metabolism because I'm trying to lose weight. [00:50:50] Speaker B: We finally have something to talk about. [00:50:52] Speaker A: I know. [00:50:54] Speaker B: Could you. Could you imagine. I'm having a quick imagine of us being co workers and I know. I think would be insufferable to anyone around us if we work. [00:51:06] Speaker A: Yeah. They'd be like, do these guys just shut up? It's like when I was in a play in college. I was in Julius Caesar, if you remember that one. [00:51:17] Speaker B: And I think so. [00:51:18] Speaker A: Tom was in it. My buddy Tom. We couldn't look at each other because we would start laughing, like in crowd scenes. We were, like, improving Shakespeare in crowd scenes, and if we looked at each other, we would just die laughing. [00:51:28] Speaker B: Is that why. Is that why they had you? You play who you did in an end game so that way you wouldn't be forced to look at him? [00:51:38] Speaker A: Yes, because I was blind. I played Ham. [00:51:42] Speaker B: I was about to. I thought it was Ham, but I didn't want to say it and be wrong. [00:51:45] Speaker A: Ham and Clove. One of my finest performances, I will say. [00:51:48] Speaker B: I mean, it's fucking great. It was fucking great. It's. I loved it. You and. You and Tom fucking killed it, I think. I think being little stinkers and best friends made that so much. [00:52:02] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:52:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:03] Speaker A: Plus, that whole summer we were like. Yeah. I was, like, yelling at him, playing LEGO Indiana Jones. So it was very much like him and Clove yelling at each other. We were playing that summer, we both stayed in Stillwater, and I was trying to play LEGO Indiana Jones with him, and he sucked, and I would get mad. [00:52:20] Speaker B: I played LEGO Indiana Jones, too. It was great. [00:52:22] Speaker A: Yeah, it was fun. [00:52:23] Speaker B: Yeah, it was fun. I also played LEGO Batman. Lego Batman was fun. [00:52:26] Speaker A: I played the Star wars ones, I think. [00:52:29] Speaker B: I think my sister let me borrow the Star wars ones. I think I didn't play that one very much, but we mostly played the Indiana Jones one. [00:52:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:36] Speaker B: Yeah. It was good. Yeah, Real good. Do you think there will be sharks, Johnny? [00:52:42] Speaker A: Sharks? [00:52:43] Speaker B: Yeah. You think there'll be sharks? [00:52:45] Speaker A: Where? [00:52:46] Speaker B: Oh, I'm referencing Endgame. The answer is if there are, there will be. [00:52:52] Speaker A: I don't think that's from Endgame. [00:52:54] Speaker B: Yeah. It's literally. You and Tom were the ones that said it because. Because clove is like, we're gonna go. And you. Ham, if there will be sharks. [00:53:02] Speaker A: Sharks. Okay. [00:53:03] Speaker B: There will be. [00:53:05] Speaker A: Nice. So you remember more than I do. [00:53:08] Speaker B: I remember. I remember very specific things, very intensely. [00:53:12] Speaker A: You do. [00:53:12] Speaker B: Most of it is. Most of it is just like a smeared watercolor but kind of lies to his friends. [00:53:21] Speaker A: Just like, I'm fine. [00:53:22] Speaker B: Yeah. Because he's like. I mean, if. If my paired angel mate freaked out so horribly after saying I could tell her anything, how can I. How can I tell anybody else and expect not to have them blow up at me. It's his burden to bear alone. Oh, man. Oh, man. Basil, we feel you. [00:53:45] Speaker A: Isn't it glorious? We cut to. [00:53:48] Speaker B: This is. This is. This is one of my favorite things, Johnny. So, outside of bands that will regularly reference themselves, like, you know, like your Limp Bizkits or rappers will all refer to themselves within Kid Rock. Yeah. [00:54:05] Speaker A: All of our favorite music. [00:54:06] Speaker B: All of our favorites. I actually watched that Y2K movie that had Fred Durst in it. It's fucking phenomenal. [00:54:12] Speaker A: Yeah, you mentioned that. [00:54:13] Speaker B: Oh, I did, I did. But when. When, like, a serious band that, Like, a serious band, like, they. They don't tend to reference themselves directly, will say a word that's in their song or that's in their. Their name. It's something that I love. Like when ghost says ghosts or ghosts, it's. It's a thing that I like. And here's Gloria. [00:54:39] Speaker A: Boingo goes. We are Oingo. Boingo. [00:54:43] Speaker B: No, no, that's. That's referring to them specifically. [00:54:45] Speaker A: They never say Boingo, but, like, if. [00:54:48] Speaker B: They ever said Boingo just in a song I would fucking love would be great. So it's. It's just. They have to use that word, and it's not a reference to them. But here's Gloriana saying glorious, and I'm like, got it. That was. That was a long explanation for. [00:55:06] Speaker A: One of my favorites is the song you better, you bet. By the whole. And they say that they're listening to who's Next, which is one of their albums. They just say, like, the guy was listening to who's Next. [00:55:20] Speaker B: Yeah, who. Who? Controversial opinion, Johnny. The who. Good band. [00:55:28] Speaker A: Yeah, No, I love them. I saw him live. [00:55:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Because I could. Because I. Because I couldn't go with you. [00:55:33] Speaker A: Yeah. I won tickets on the radio. Dude. On the radio. [00:55:36] Speaker B: That's awesome. [00:55:38] Speaker A: Myself, that I listen to AM radio. Hey, hey, WGN is a good station. [00:55:44] Speaker B: WGN's great. [00:55:45] Speaker A: You ever listen to the guy on the Saturday mornings that does all the house repair stuff? [00:55:49] Speaker B: No, I. I don't listen to. The only radio I listen to is NPR. [00:55:54] Speaker A: Well, Lottie freaking die. WGN's pretty liberal. [00:55:57] Speaker B: Oh, no, it's just. It's just. That's what my thing is set to. And I only. I only have the one radio, and so I just. I just want to hit one button to turn it on and one button to turn it off. And I don't want to do any more thinking than that. [00:56:08] Speaker A: Radios are cool. [00:56:09] Speaker B: Radios are cool. But I guess. I guess with the AM you could make your own little crystal radio. Did you ever make a crystal radio as a kid? [00:56:17] Speaker A: No. [00:56:17] Speaker B: Oh, I gotta. I gotta. No, it's just a battery with wire wrapped around it. And then you. Depending on where in the coil you. You complete the circuit, it'll pick up a different frequency. So it's just a very. A very basic radio that you make yourself. I. I made my coil wrong. And so it. It was garbage, but it was fun. That killed an afternoon. [00:56:45] Speaker A: I love AM radio. I love it. That lulls me to sleep, man. That, like, warm. [00:56:49] Speaker B: It's good. It's good to know if. If bad weather is coming. Because if there's bad weather within, like 500 miles, it'll be like. [00:56:59] Speaker A: Yeah, that's true. My dad, I always remember listening to AM radio coming home from still water from the football games. My dad would listen to, like, AM radio. [00:57:06] Speaker B: My dad listens to 740KRMG all day. [00:57:10] Speaker A: Oh, no. [00:57:13] Speaker B: He would listen to it during thunderstorms to get news updates. And, like, you couldn't hear anything. And it was like, dad, can we turn it off, please? And he's like, no, Paul Harvey is on. [00:57:26] Speaker A: We're listening. [00:57:28] Speaker B: I actually, I like Paul Harvey. Paul Harvey fucking rocked. But my dad, he did listen to Rush Limbaugh, pretty. [00:57:36] Speaker A: So did my dad. [00:57:37] Speaker B: It's fucking. Ugh. Yeah, terrible. [00:57:40] Speaker A: It was the night. It was the early 90s. What are you gonna do? [00:57:42] Speaker B: Yeah, but, yeah, Paul Harvey fucking rocked. Beautiful voice. Bs. Gloriana is sitting there saying, isn't it glorious? We're witnessing the. The great creation that we're taking apart in. And they're. They're all just, like, looking at this earth that they've helped create. And all of the angels are being like, hell, yeah. Woo. Yeah, we did it. And Basil is just like, looking off into the stars, into the nothingness that hasn't had creation happen yet. And Gloriana comes over and is like, hey, why. Why are you not looking at this cool shit that we did? What's distracting you? And he just stares off into space. [00:58:28] Speaker A: I have no answer. [00:58:29] Speaker B: Yeah. And Gloriana's like, there's. Your distractions are becoming a problem. Lucifer's poisoned words. Get Lucifer's poisoned words out of your head. Enough is enough. And she's like, you got it. You can't see your friend anymore, buddy. [00:58:45] Speaker A: Yeah, sorry. Yeah, he's a bad influence. He's a bad dude. He's taking down the skate park and make you smoke weed. [00:58:51] Speaker B: Yeah. And Basil's like, hey, but I mean, telling me what to do. But there's no respect to that. Can. Can I not ask for love? Am I not deserving of love? Am I not deserving of respect? Or acknowledgement? Is wanting to be appreciated a bad thing? Is gratitude, not a mutual act? Oh, Jesus. He's asking all the questions, Johnny. And Gloria is just like, hush, hush. [00:59:16] Speaker A: Someone else might hear you. [00:59:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:20] Speaker A: And then he asked the classic question. Who created the Creator? [00:59:24] Speaker B: Yeah. Whoa. And she gets so pissed off. She's like, what do you think this is? Some jest, some game of logic? And she's like, I got to get away from you, or Lucifer's madness is going to infect me through you. As she flies away, she says, I will pray for you, Basil. He says, those words do not comfort like they once did. [00:59:50] Speaker A: Yeah, a little passive aggressive there. [00:59:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, geez. [00:59:53] Speaker A: I will pray for you. [00:59:55] Speaker B: Have you seen that video with the angry guy in the car? He's rolling up his window after yelling at somebody, and they're like, I'll pray for you. And he stops and he's like, what? They're like, I'll pray for you. And he's like, oh, no, you won't, pal. [01:00:09] Speaker A: Don't pray for me. I think I have seen that. That's so funny. [01:00:15] Speaker B: It's excellent. And then darkness, Johnny. Just darkness. And then a light. And we move toward the light. And in a wonderful bit of visual wordplay, Johnny, the light is Lucifer's crest. So Lucifer has brought us the light in this book. And it's. It's a chest plate with. [01:00:43] Speaker A: It's actually Samael. [01:00:45] Speaker B: Well, but I'm pretty sure that's Lucifer. [01:00:47] Speaker A: That's Lucifer's crest. [01:00:48] Speaker B: Yes, yes, yes. [01:00:49] Speaker A: So it's almost a pentagram. [01:00:51] Speaker B: Samael wearing our armor with Lucifer's crest on it. And Basil. Basil is just like, oh, geez. Like, he's standing right next to Samael, and his head only comes to Samael's chest, and it's like, oh, big boy. [01:01:07] Speaker A: Big guy. Yeah. [01:01:09] Speaker B: Samuel says, you're late. And Basil's like, sorry. Sorry, man. I'm here though, aren't I? He's like, I made sure I wasn't followed. And so he's going into the. What looks like a wound in creation where they're having their secret. There's secret meetings. It's fucking great. And then as. As he enters the. The. The secret meeting with Lucifer and enters the wound, he says, there's no turning back. Forgive me, Gloriana. Actually. Actually, they literally use the phrase from the haunted mansion, Johnny. [01:01:49] Speaker A: What? [01:01:49] Speaker B: There's no turning Back now. The exact phrasing. [01:01:58] Speaker A: Nice. So your haunted mansion. [01:02:00] Speaker B: So Haunted mansion is canonical. Lucifer's. Lucifer's argument against, or I guess, canonical schism of Heaven. There we go. [01:02:09] Speaker A: David's a haunted mansion. Fucking freak. [01:02:11] Speaker B: Oh, man, I fucking love the haunted mansion. It's the only, Only, the only theme ride that I've ever read a book about. And I've read, like, three books about it. [01:02:22] Speaker A: Wow. [01:02:23] Speaker B: It's awesome. [01:02:23] Speaker A: I remember going on as a little kid, the part with the mirrors where they sit next to you scare the shit out of my brain. [01:02:29] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Beware of hitchhiking ghosts. Yeah, they'll follow you home. I have been followed. I've been followed home by Phineas and. Not Gus, the other one. Phineas and Evra. Well, Phineas is the one with the top hat and tall skinny guy. Ezra and I always liked Gus because Gus is the little short guy who looks kind of like cousin it. But I never. I never got him to ride with me. [01:02:54] Speaker A: Oh, sad, sad. [01:02:55] Speaker B: And then little. Little Leota at the end. Hurry back. [01:03:01] Speaker A: It's a cool ride. [01:03:02] Speaker B: Hurry back. It's the best ride. But we're at this meeting. It's. It's. It's a meeting of the. The rebels of Heaven. It's very pre Battle of Yarvin. Yavin. [01:03:17] Speaker A: Sure. [01:03:17] Speaker B: Yarvin. [01:03:19] Speaker A: Yarvin. [01:03:22] Speaker B: And it's just Lucifer's being like, you know, thank you for coming. I'm glad you guys. I'm glad you all are here. And here's. Here's what I have been seeing. And then, like, the angels are all talking amongst themselves. They're like, yeah, you know, I've started thinking about this too. So it's very. The grassroots movement of the rebellion here. And they're like, but. But if we. If we start to think these things, aren't we supposed to, like, the Creator's omnipotent and everywhere will make sure that we no longer exist. And Lucifer is like, please, please, the shit I've done, I shouldn't be here now. Which goes to show. [01:04:00] Speaker A: And they get like, what's the fucking plan? [01:04:03] Speaker B: Yeah, they're like, what's the fucking plan? And Lucifer's like, come on, guys, chill out a little bit. Like, what's the. What's the point of. What's the point of doing this? To live if we're not gonna live? But then. So Basil has. Has discovered something in creation, that there's byproducts of creation. Discarded creation energy when they create stuff, and it's like proto necroplasm. [01:04:32] Speaker A: Detritus. [01:04:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:34] Speaker A: When I say Dietrius. What? [01:04:35] Speaker B: The dietary. [01:04:36] Speaker A: I don't know. Detritus. [01:04:38] Speaker B: Detritus. Detritus. And so, so like there's all this just like cast offs from creation that. That's surrounding them. And Basil's like, look, look at what happens. Like there's energy and power and possibility within this stuff that we're just throwing away. And he's like, if you concentrate and open yourself to will, it will become part of you. [01:05:07] Speaker A: Become part of you. [01:05:09] Speaker B: It's. He gets like a very, A very, very proto Letha symbiote suit. And that's a great, that's a great splash page of him in this new armor. [01:05:25] Speaker A: Oh, it's awesome. Yeah, it's badass. It's like a proto spawn. [01:05:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:31] Speaker A: Thing. [01:05:32] Speaker B: It's like the, it's like the spawn version of Peter Parker making the first Spider man suit. [01:05:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:38] Speaker B: And like you can. There are bits of what it will be in there, but it's something else entirely. [01:05:43] Speaker A: Yes. [01:05:44] Speaker B: This would be a great action figure for them to make it there. [01:05:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:48] Speaker B: I shouldn't encourage them to make action figures because then I'd have to buy them. [01:05:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Don't do that, David. [01:05:53] Speaker B: Yeah. And then after the demonstration, Basil just like swirls out of it and the detritus just miraculously floats away like it always does. [01:06:07] Speaker A: And this is the obviously the origins of Violator being the creator of the. [01:06:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:12] Speaker A: K7 Letha and the symbiote and you know, being the master of that. [01:06:16] Speaker B: Uh huh. So obviously using this as part of it. So it's great, it's great connectivity here. It's. [01:06:24] Speaker A: Oh yeah, this. [01:06:26] Speaker B: It rocks. It's so hard. [01:06:28] Speaker A: Well, just honoring Spawn Cannon, like, you know, because a lot of times Spawn Cannon can be a little over the place, but yeah. At least they're solidifying this. It's just cool. [01:06:37] Speaker B: Yeah. And then Lucifer is like, okay, awesome. Now my turn. And he just like, he just like armors, everyone assembled and they're like, the power is intoxicating. [01:06:51] Speaker A: Yes. [01:06:53] Speaker B: And then they're like for freedom, for agency, for Lucifer. Lucifer. Lucifer. Lucifer. For Lucifer. Hail Lucifer. And Basil is just watching this assembled cheering for Lucifer and he's just like, oh, oh boy, what have I done? What have I done? What have I done? I like this transition of him of Basil watching, like it zooms in on his eye as he's watching this rebellion being fomented and then like cuts to his eye later and he's just once again staring off into space and Gloriana, once again Comes up and she's like, hey, why are you so sad? Why are you so solemn? It's another beautiful day of creating. And Glorian is like, I hope. I hope you've dealt with that thing we talked about earlier, being very coy about it. [01:07:46] Speaker A: And he's like, oh, I did. [01:07:47] Speaker B: He's like, yeah, I dealt with it. And then thinks, but not in the way you believe I did. [01:07:53] Speaker A: Yeah. We cut back to Lucifer's little hideout where he's hidden from God's view. And they're doing, like, training battles in the symbiote suit. [01:08:02] Speaker B: Yeah, the. There's. There's some battle. There's some. Some training damage taken because they're still trying to figure out their stuff. And one of the angels gets wounded, and Lucifer's like, hell, yeah, first blood. And Basil's like, hold on. Take. Be. Don't worry. This. The. The suit, the energy will heal you. You just have to. You just have to let it. And the wounded soldier says, how powerful is it, huh? Or it is powerful, huh? And Basil think. Or Basil thinks internally more than you can conceive. Once again, we're back and Basil is just staring off into space. [01:08:44] Speaker A: And all of a sudden the symbiote just attaches to his hand. [01:08:47] Speaker B: Actually, I'm not sure if this is a different scene or if it's the same scene, because I think. I think. I think the. The training sequence is a flashback attached to Gloriana's comment that I hope this change is permanent. And yes, he thinks about it. And then. So, like, he's. He's obviously dealing with the. The detritus a lot. And then back in their embrace, like he has been infected with the. The detritus. And it's starting to come out at a time that he is. He's like, I didn't want this to happen. It's. It's. It's doing. It's got a mind of its own. And the glorion is like, Basil. And he. His infected hands lifts her up by her throat. [01:09:36] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [01:09:37] Speaker B: He's trying to resist it. Yeah, it's reacting on its own. How. Release her. I am in control here. Listen to me. And it slowly dissipates. And then Gloriana is there on the ground and Basil's saying, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. And she says, what was that? Is that Lucifer's doing? And Basil comes clean. He's like, no, no, this is. This is me. This is all me. I've been I've been doing this both with and independently of Lucifer. I hope someday that you can forgive me. And then we, and then we see the, the blacksmith comes up and says, gloriana, did you get it? And she says, of course I did. And she's peeling some of the, some of the detritus off of her throat. So she has been, she's been doing some, some tricksky work in the background. She's been double agenting. She's not been as truthful to Basil as she has led him to believe she has been. [01:10:45] Speaker A: You're right. [01:10:46] Speaker B: And so, and so she gives this bit of the, the proto, the proto symbiote to the blacksmith. And he's like, you know what? We're gonna use this, this is gonna be like a, this is gonna be like a compass and it's gonna take us right to them, that we can squash their rebellion. And then we cut back to Lucifer surrounded by his army, and he's giving him the, the pump up the, the pre, the pre war speech. And then he says, to freedom, to victory, to war. And then we get a two page spread of angels, light angels, dark angels on either side going, and they put. [01:11:28] Speaker A: Coming at each other. It's epic. [01:11:30] Speaker B: The, the dark angels have, have dark weapons and the light angels have fire weapons and. Oh, geez. [01:11:41] Speaker A: Pretty epic. [01:11:41] Speaker B: And just like that, everything changed forever. Oh boy. [01:11:46] Speaker A: And it's just a mad battle of everyone cutting off limbs, stabbing each other. He said creation was a messy process, but destruction, destruction was chaos unchained. [01:11:55] Speaker B: Yeah. And the anger, all the anger, the rage, the bloodlust on both sides. Did I cause this chopped up? Did I bring on the death of paradise? Am I the evil one? [01:12:06] Speaker A: The marks of the evil one. Yeah, there, there, there. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. And he just collapses to the ground like exhausted being like, what have I done? [01:12:24] Speaker B: What have I done? There's, yeah. Oh, there's just so much carnage and destruction. I do like this little bit here of like he's using, he's using the, the energy to, to create like a, like a real time shield out of his suit. That's fucking cool. So we get the, the beginnings of those sort of psychokinetic powers. Yeah. [01:12:49] Speaker A: And he turns his arm into a sword and like stabs a guy through the eye. [01:12:52] Speaker B: Yeah. So Basil a, a formidable, a formidable warrior. [01:12:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:12:58] Speaker B: And then as, as he's, as he's there on the ground, just exhausted, Gloriana comes up wielding her fiery sword. She's like, I warned you. And yet you chose Lucifer over the Creator. Over me and. Hold your horses, lady Jesus. You've been. [01:13:16] Speaker A: I mean, it's true. He says he has no defense. [01:13:18] Speaker B: Yeah, he. He really did. But, I mean, she's. It's not like she made it a difficult decision for him. [01:13:25] Speaker A: She was not very helpful when he was conflicted. [01:13:28] Speaker B: Yeah. And she says, you leave me no choice. She says, you made me do this. You made me do this. I take no pleasure in ending you, Basil. And she cuts him through the stomach. And he falls. And he falls. And he falls. And he falls. [01:13:51] Speaker A: Yes. And the symbiote starts to leave him. [01:13:53] Speaker B: Yeah. So he falls out of the battle, out of the fires of heaven, into the ether of Creation. And he falls and falls and falls to earth, and he says his sins envelop him and the pain is exquisite. This is also the birth of the Cenobites, Johnny. [01:14:15] Speaker A: Yeah, pretty much. He kind of looks like a Cenobite here. [01:14:17] Speaker B: He sure does. [01:14:18] Speaker A: Pinheady. [01:14:20] Speaker B: And so he's. He's, like, cocooned in his sins as he's falling, and then his previous existence melts away. His blood boils. His flesh melts because he's. He's entering the atmosphere, Johnny. He's. He's doing an uncontrolled entry. And he's burning up. [01:14:39] Speaker A: Yep. And he just. Boom. Smashes. So powered. It creates a mushroom cloud. [01:14:43] Speaker B: Yeah. He. He embraces the agony. Oh, boy. I do like. I do like this. This. This is a. This is intense. This, like, the moment of impact is just like his skeleton engulfed in flames. And then from the. From the impact crater, he says, I am denied the piece of death and twist. Burned, twisted. His folly has been and been made flesh. And then out crawls that little fleaby. Eck. Long jaw. And then here he comes. We get the. We get the opening reading, and then just the final image is the Violator. Ah. Yelling at the heavens that he is the Violator. [01:15:28] Speaker A: Damn. [01:15:31] Speaker B: So fucking good. [01:15:33] Speaker A: Now that final battle and him falling is just, like, so cool. [01:15:36] Speaker B: Yeah, the. Yeah, it's very good. We get the skull to end the issue, and then we get some. The ink pages that I mentioned previously. [01:15:47] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's crazy to see these inks. This is how many lines there are and how detailed it is. It's nuts. [01:15:52] Speaker B: I can. Yeah. This creative team is just so locked in. Because I like this page of creation, like how they turned it into all of the colors I could. [01:16:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:06] Speaker B: Oh, no, I. No, no, no, no. I. I wouldn't be able to keep it straight. [01:16:12] Speaker A: Yeah. Or the final. The. The. [01:16:13] Speaker B: Yeah, the final Battle F. Yeah. Oh, it's so good. Then we get the advertisements. The new generation, new stories, new. [01:16:20] Speaker A: You. [01:16:22] Speaker B: Read all those books already. We have. The Witchblade ad. Is the back. [01:16:29] Speaker A: Witchblade comings back. Back in September. It came back. [01:16:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:34] Speaker A: I was making the cut on a lot of my stuff. And I was selling books. I kept my Wishblade. [01:16:38] Speaker B: Ooh, nice. [01:16:39] Speaker A: I'm gonna get around to reading it. I got a. I got a bunch of Wish Blade. I got different thrift stores. So. [01:16:44] Speaker B: Nice. [01:16:45] Speaker A: I'm gonna get around to it. [01:16:47] Speaker B: Nice. And that is Violator Origins number one. [01:16:51] Speaker A: Johnny Violator, 2024. Origins number one issue in the new Spawns universe. [01:16:59] Speaker B: Yeah, the new you. [01:17:01] Speaker A: The new you. [01:17:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, Johnny, I am once again surrounded by very, very sleepy duckies. [01:17:11] Speaker A: Always. Just for me to be clear, every few episodes. I like to mention that David has. [01:17:17] Speaker B: A lot of dogs. Yes, I have a lot of dogs. Miraculously have been quite quiet today. So will give. [01:17:23] Speaker A: They have been. [01:17:23] Speaker B: I will give them excellent, excellent reviews for that. Which means, Johnny, I'm over here rating puppies. So I think we should rate these puppy. [01:17:33] Speaker A: It's time to rate the puppies. So, yeah, today we had one issue. Big Beefy Boy. Violator number one. [01:17:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:43] Speaker A: I mean, if you can't tell by what. We were just talking about it. I loved it. Great origin story. Really cool. Just like insular story. It's a great jumping on point for Spawn, probably. [01:17:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I would say so. [01:17:57] Speaker A: The art is just so fantastic and, like, ethereal and, like heavenly, but, like dark as well. He does a good job doing both the angels and the rebels. And just like the ether. Etherealness of everything. There's always something floaty or like if you feel like you're in the Netherwalm or the Than Heaven. It's really cool. [01:18:22] Speaker B: It's like. It's like nothing. Nothing is fully contained. And so it's. Right, it's. It's. There's a. There's an openness to everything that when you kind of think of the creation, like everything is open. And then a bad thing happens. And then you gotta start clamping down on stuff. And so this is. [01:18:41] Speaker A: It's one clamp down. [01:18:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:18:43] Speaker A: Yeah. I love the story. I think it's just a great, classic fallen angel story. Paradise Lost, Anakin Skywalker, all these people. [01:18:54] Speaker B: Who also gets burned up. [01:18:57] Speaker A: I know. It's very similar. [01:18:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:19:00] Speaker A: Lucifer's like the emperor. [01:19:02] Speaker B: Do it. [01:19:04] Speaker A: There's a great AI Video I saw of someone messing with AI Vader on Fortnite and they asked him if he soiled his pants, and he said if he's ever soiled his pants. And he says, you should not ask me such personal questions. But I bet the emperor has. [01:19:27] Speaker B: Ridiculous. [01:19:28] Speaker A: I gotta get on that. Just to talk to AI Vader. Yeah, I talked about the podcast. [01:19:33] Speaker B: Yeah, you should do it. [01:19:36] Speaker A: I should. That'd be hilarious. AI Vader. No, I mean. And this was made without AI, and that's great. Yeah, we love that. It's a great start to this miniseries, and I'm excited to read the rest. I don't lose all my credibility. But I haven't read the other ones yet. [01:19:51] Speaker B: Oh, no. I think the fifth one might actually be my favorite. [01:19:57] Speaker A: Okay. [01:19:58] Speaker B: It's very good. [01:19:59] Speaker A: We'll get there. [01:20:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:20:01] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, I'm gonna rate it. Five bumblebees. [01:20:06] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. That's what I was gonna get. [01:20:07] Speaker A: Because in the Garden of Eden they got the little bumblebees, little bees, and. [01:20:10] Speaker B: Just buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz. Yeah, it's. It's a great story. It. I can't imagine how hard this was to put together because oftentimes origin stories can kind of fall a little flat if you're doing them after the fact. There's no. There's no flatness here. It, like, starts off and doesn't. It doesn't let up and has big. [01:20:39] Speaker A: Ideas and takes big swings. [01:20:40] Speaker B: There's. It's. It's often very easy to, when you write a big heaven or big hell story, to, like, get lost in the sauce of either the heaven or the hell of it at all. And this keeps its focus very, very pointedly on the character of Basil Come Violator. And it's excellent character work. The art is fucking amazing. The colors are insane. It's just very, very, very good. I am gonna give it five. Bringing of lights for the light bringer. [01:21:25] Speaker A: It brings the light. Shines the light on the Violator origin story. [01:21:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:21:30] Speaker A: You know what that means, David? [01:21:31] Speaker B: This is an entrant into the Hellfire Club. [01:21:33] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:21:34] Speaker B: The. The. The Proto Hellfire. Since. Since hell doesn't exist until the end of this book, we need a fan. [01:21:41] Speaker A: To start a Wikipedia page on us to keep track of which one's in the Hellfire Club. [01:21:44] Speaker B: Yeah, well, then we'll have to do retroactive pre. Any previous before we decided on the Hellfire Club. But, yeah, no, it's. It's a big, beefy boy, and it's very good. I know. I literally just agreed with you about it being potentially a very good place to enter Spawn's universe. [01:22:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:22:07] Speaker B: I would have a caveat with it that it might actually be a bad place to start. Because it's so fucking good that if you go this to. To some of the other Spawns, you could be like, wait, hold on a second. [01:22:20] Speaker A: What happened here? [01:22:21] Speaker B: What happened here? But no, it's. I think it would be a great first issue for somebody to. [01:22:28] Speaker A: Absolutely. [01:22:29] Speaker B: It would be so easy to fall in love with this and just be like, there's a world of Spawn out there. Go get it. [01:22:36] Speaker A: Yeah. Hopefully someone did that. Hopefully someone saw that number one first issue. [01:22:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:22:42] Speaker A: And they went for it. [01:22:44] Speaker B: And to compare it to the first issue of the previous Violator miniseries, um, it's fun that you could have a fucking fart joke Violator miniseries that is phenomenal and just so very good. And then you can have a serious contemplative Violator series that is phenomenal and so fucking good. [01:23:08] Speaker A: Yeah, it's great. Really cool. [01:23:13] Speaker B: And you know what else is really cool? Johnny. [01:23:16] Speaker A: I'm gonna guess me. [01:23:19] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. [01:23:21] Speaker A: Thank you. [01:23:22] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Johnny's. Johnny's really cool. [01:23:25] Speaker A: Wow. You're the first person that's ever said that in the history of the world. [01:23:29] Speaker B: Really? That's dumb. [01:23:30] Speaker A: No, not true. [01:23:31] Speaker B: Anybody. Anybody who's not out there saying Johnny is. Anybody who not saying Johnny is cool needs to correct that immediately. People. People should be stopping you on the street and be like, johnny cool. [01:23:42] Speaker A: Okay. [01:23:44] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. [01:23:45] Speaker A: I appreciate that. [01:23:46] Speaker B: Yeah. I hope you know that behind your back. When I talk to our mutual friends, we always talk about how fucking cool you are. [01:23:53] Speaker A: Okay. [01:23:54] Speaker B: Like. Like, in all seriousness, in all seriousness, I've had several conversations with people are like, I fucking love Johnny. [01:23:59] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Wow. You're going to give me an ego. [01:24:03] Speaker B: You know, we'll disabuse you of it if it comes too big. [01:24:07] Speaker A: Okay. If it gets too big, just take me down. [01:24:09] Speaker B: We know you can handle it. You're a big boy. [01:24:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:24:12] Speaker B: But no, the spot mutinity is also very cool, Johnny. [01:24:16] Speaker A: Yes, yes. [01:24:17] Speaker B: And we like to. We like to help spread the word of it. And this week we got a. We got a friend on Instagram called Jose. And I don't know if this is a very Spawn centric account here, Johnny, but let me just read it off for you here. Ninjaspawn. Underscore. Spawn. Underscore Universe. [01:24:43] Speaker A: I think that's pretty spawny. [01:24:44] Speaker B: I don't know. There's a double Spawn there. But he. He's got his action figures, he's got his. His comic book Collection. And like a previous. A previous friend that we have on Instagram, I forget who it was specifically. He does little captions. When he does. He does, like little movies with captions of his action figures instead of just being static images. And it's. It's not the high art of figure photography, but it's. It's really fun for people who just fucking love this shit. Like us. [01:25:22] Speaker A: Yes. [01:25:23] Speaker B: Give him a follow. [01:25:25] Speaker A: Give him a follow, why don't you? [01:25:28] Speaker B: Speaking of following, you should follow what Lonnie Bones is doing. Just Google Lonnie Bones music. He does our music. It's fucking fantastic. It's. It's so good. [01:25:37] Speaker A: And while you're following along with the music, you can Follow us. [01:25:41] Speaker B: Of Mr. Bones. [01:25:43] Speaker A: Of Mr. Bones. You follow us on Instagram at. Regarding Spawn pod. [01:25:47] Speaker B: Yes. [01:25:49] Speaker A: And we also have an email you can reach out to us at. Regarding spawnpodmail.com. [01:25:54] Speaker B: Yes, indeed. [01:25:55] Speaker A: And every week I like to ask a question. [01:25:57] Speaker B: Yes, indeed. [01:25:58] Speaker A: And this week I'd like to ask, what do you think of the Violator number one? [01:26:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:26:04] Speaker A: What do you think of this awesome story? Did you. Was it everything you expected out of the origin story? Was it unexpected? You like it better than the other Violator series? What's your flavor? Just curious to hear you talk to me about the Violator. [01:26:17] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it's. We got. I'd much rather talk about this violator than other violators that are currently taking up the airwaves. So, sure. Give us. Give us your hot takes about Fallen Angel Basil. [01:26:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Or anything else you want to reach out to us about. Hit up us on email. You send us your address, we'll send you some stickers. [01:26:38] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [01:26:39] Speaker A: And if you want us to, or if you just. If you don't say don't, we'll read the letter on air. [01:26:43] Speaker B: Yeah, the default is we'll read it. So if you don't want us to read it, say don't read it, please. [01:26:48] Speaker A: Yes. [01:26:49] Speaker B: Excellent. And Johnny, you know what else is excellent? [01:26:56] Speaker A: Read more spawn. [01:26:57] Speaker B: Reading more spawn. And unfortunately, we did not talk about this prior to recording, so we'll have to do it live. Johnny, what kind of spawn do you want to read and talk about next week? [01:27:11] Speaker A: What are our options? [01:27:12] Speaker B: What are our options? We can do another Salmon Twitch in Rat City. [01:27:16] Speaker A: I think we should do that just to catch up a little bit. [01:27:18] Speaker B: Awesome. Well, that means we will be reading Salmon Twitch case files number 10 and rat city number 10. [01:27:25] Speaker A: Absolutely. [01:27:26] Speaker B: Nice. That. That was. That was way easier than I expected. [01:27:29] Speaker A: We did it. [01:27:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Woo. So yeah, Find yourself a couple issues of the Extended Spawn Universe and Rat City and Sam and Twitch. Read them. Come listen to us talk about them. In the meantime, fucking find this goddamn book and read it. You guys, Violator number one is so, so good. [01:27:48] Speaker A: Yeah. Get it. You can get like all of them for like 30 bucks on eBay. [01:27:51] Speaker B: Yeah, if the, if the trade, if you want to wait for the trade paperback, that's fine, that's fine. Just get it when it comes out because it's good stuff. [01:27:59] Speaker A: Yep. [01:28:01] Speaker B: Well, don't forget to like us, to subscribe to us, to give us five stars wherever you can. Tell your friends, your family, your co workers about it. Tell, Tell all your. If you have the conversations with religious friends, be like, hey, I got a story about the, about the Creator, about Holy Father here. As I, as I told Johnny a couple of days ago, if you have any friends who are a little bit spooky or like, like, you know, gothy type things, fucking throw this book at them. If they don't fall in love with it. [01:28:39] Speaker A: If they don't duck first they got a duck throwing, throwing it at you and then pick it up. [01:28:43] Speaker B: If they, if, if they don't fall in love with it, I would be surprised. [01:28:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:28:49] Speaker B: Yeah. If, if little goth high schooler David had come across this. Oh, boy, I would have never shut up about it. I'm probably not going to shut up about it now. So be warned. [01:29:00] Speaker A: Are we all just a little goth high school boy deep down? [01:29:03] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. It never, it never goes away. You can, you can pretend like it didn't happen, but you just have to embrace it. Johnny, much like Basil learns to embrace the, the creation detritus. You just gotta let it fill you up. [01:29:17] Speaker A: Yep, I wanted to be goth, but I never went all the way. [01:29:20] Speaker B: Yeah, my parents were very supportive of me and I put them through some garbage about it. [01:29:28] Speaker A: But did I want to be goth or was I just attracted to goth girls or alternative girls? Which one is it? [01:29:36] Speaker B: Does it really matter, Johnny? [01:29:37] Speaker A: No, it doesn't really matter. [01:29:39] Speaker B: The heart wants what the heart wants and that's all that matters. [01:29:43] Speaker A: Yeah, I wanted a nice goth girlfriend or a nice alternative girlfriend when I was a young boy. [01:29:49] Speaker B: Who, who of us didn't? [01:29:51] Speaker A: Johnny, who of us didn't? [01:29:53] Speaker B: Like, that's just a fact of life. I don't even think that needs a bonk. That's literally just. [01:29:59] Speaker A: Yeah, no one needs. Everyone wants a goth girlfriend. [01:30:01] Speaker B: If they, if they, if they made a sequel to that movie what Women Want and called it what Men Want. It would be 30 seconds. It would just be Goth Girlfriend, over and done. [01:30:13] Speaker A: That's it. [01:30:15] Speaker B: The cheapest movie ever. [01:30:17] Speaker A: You know what's funny is I was just reminded of this. Tom and I are both obsessed with Blair Witch 2, which is a good movie, despite what people think. I remember we were trying to. They talked about ebay, and we were trying to figure out it was the first movie that mentioned ebay. And we went to IMDb, had a fun fact for what women want. They said it was the first movie to mention ebay, but that came out in December of 2000. And Book of Shadows came out October 2000. Hell yeah. [01:30:46] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. [01:30:47] Speaker A: We corrected the IMDb on that. [01:30:49] Speaker B: Fuck yeah. Hell yeah. That's. We need. We need a Johnny and Tom for this podcast is what we. [01:30:55] Speaker A: Book of shadows. Blair Witch 2 is the first movie to mention ebay. [01:30:58] Speaker B: Hell yeah. It's a good movie. [01:31:01] Speaker A: It is. It's fun. [01:31:04] Speaker B: I mean, with that Johnny, I think we gotta. I think we gotta run out of things to say with that. And so I have nothing else to say but Johnny, May the Scorch to be with you. [01:31:15] Speaker A: And also with you, David. [01:31:17] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [01:31:18] Speaker A: Hell yeah. It's good stuff. I can't wait to read the other ones. I'm a bad spawn guy that I haven't yet, but. [01:31:26] Speaker B: I'm just. I just feel a little vindicated now that I. I've spent so long being like, johnny, you gotta read this. Johnny, you gotta read. [01:31:32] Speaker A: I've read. No, I read Number One back and it came out okay. I haven't read any of the other ones. [01:31:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, it's. Sometimes the. The thickness of it makes it hard to sit down and be. It's like, oh, I don't get. I don't got time for that. [01:31:46] Speaker A: Ain't nobody got time for that. [01:31:47] Speaker B: It's an anal bunny. It's much like when I sit down on the couch and I'm. I definitely have time for a movie, but I'm like, ain't nobody got time for a movie. I'm just gonna watch four episodes of. [01:31:57] Speaker A: A television that's two hours long. Yeah, I know what you mean. [01:32:03] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mmm, man. Oh, hey, the new Fear street movie comes out today. Oh, you don't have Netflix? [01:32:11] Speaker A: Dang, I don't have Netflix currently. If there's something I'm really interested in, I'll get it again. But right now, I'm not super. I do like the Fear street movies. [01:32:20] Speaker B: Yeah, they're really fun. They're real fun. This one's a this one's about witches. Witches. Witch. Final Tom Cruise, Mission Impossible coming out this weekend too. [01:32:33] Speaker A: Lilo and Stitch. [01:32:34] Speaker B: Oh, oh, I forgot about Lilo and Stitch. [01:32:36] Speaker A: It's gonna be an epic battle at the box office. [01:32:39] Speaker B: I mean, it is. That's. That's. That's actually a pretty good lineup. I don't know who's gonna come out. [01:32:43] Speaker A: On top, because those probably Lilo and Stitch, I think. [01:32:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Because kids. [01:32:46] Speaker A: But it's tracking to come out bigger. But also, the last Mission Impossible movie didn't do as well as they thought. But I love Mission Impossible. [01:32:54] Speaker B: I wonder. I wonder if that's. That was a part one effect. [01:32:58] Speaker A: Yeah, it might have been. I wonder when the Spawn movie comes out if it'll be a big box office hit. [01:33:06] Speaker B: Well, we'll have to do our damnedest to make sure. [01:33:09] Speaker A: Do you think we'll get the Spawn movie before Grand Theft Auto 6? [01:33:12] Speaker B: David, is this gonna be the new one? Grand Theft Auto 6 will come out and be like, we got Grand Theft Auto 6 before we got the new spawn. George R.R. martin will write the final book before this. [01:33:23] Speaker A: Yeah, Disney sold Star wars back to George Lucas before the Spawn movie. [01:33:31] Speaker B: Very nice one. It could happen. Get on that movie, Blumhouse. Come on. [01:33:37] Speaker A: Come on, Bloom House King Spawn. Let's go. [01:33:39] Speaker B: Come on. We talk about your movies all the fucking time. Please give us another one to talk about. [01:33:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm excited about Megan 2.0, but I want spawn 1.0. [01:33:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean. [01:33:51] Speaker A: 2.0. [01:33:51] Speaker B: Megan. Megan. Fucking creepy as shit. [01:33:55] Speaker A: Megan rocks. [01:33:57] Speaker B: Yeah, it's good. [01:33:58] Speaker A: Love her dance. [01:33:58] Speaker B: It's a good little franchise. [01:34:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm excited for the second one. [01:34:01] Speaker B: Yeah, me too. A lot of excitement for Spawn movies. [01:34:07] Speaker A: Spawn movies. Make the movie, Blumhouse. Yeah, I know you won't, but do it if you're listening. Jason Bloom. [01:34:13] Speaker B: Yeah, we know you listen to this. We know you're not like the Todd 5. [01:34:17] Speaker A: We better get fucking spawn before Megan 3. Yeah, or just what are they gonna call Megan 3? Cause the E is a 3 in the original title. Maybe the 3 will just be really big. [01:34:29] Speaker B: They've already done 2.0. [01:34:31] Speaker A: 3.0, I guess. [01:34:33] Speaker B: Yeah. What's. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not. I'm not it savvy enough to come up with a good joke for that one. [01:34:41] Speaker A: Megan Reloaded. [01:34:42] Speaker B: Megan Reloaded. I think it would be fun if Megan 3 were just a backdoor spawn movie. Yeah, it's just like Megan, like they. They throw. They throw a Megan in an alley and then it's recovered by this, the secretive me man in a red cloak. [01:34:59] Speaker A: Do it, Blumhouse. [01:35:01] Speaker B: And then. And then. And then. Since Megan looks like a child, catches the eye of a. Of a certain senator's son. [01:35:09] Speaker A: An ice cream man. [01:35:11] Speaker B: An ice cream man who. Maybe he ain't got ice cream in those. In those ice chests, Johnny. [01:35:19] Speaker A: Speaking of ice cream mans, I gotta go read Curse of Surly Johnson. [01:35:22] Speaker B: Oh, hell yeah. [01:35:23] Speaker A: So. [01:35:23] Speaker B: Got to do it. [01:35:24] Speaker A: Got to go. [01:35:28] Speaker B: That's his ice cream man stopping when it's passing by it.