Episode 86 - Spawn 18 and Gunslinger 28

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome to the real world, bastard. Have a nice day. Good evening, and welcome to the Mal bowls. This is regarding Spawn, the world's best spawn podcast. I'm your co host, Jon Fisher. [00:00:45] Speaker B: And I am your co host, David Williams. And, Johnny, you know what's good besides spawn? It's spawned besides spawn. [00:00:56] Speaker A: Oh, besides spawn. I mean, lots of things, I guess. [00:01:00] Speaker B: Lots of things. What about cereal? You like some cereal, Johnny? [00:01:04] Speaker A: Oh, I love cereal. [00:01:05] Speaker B: What's your favorite cereal? That shit's delicious. [00:01:08] Speaker A: I like. I mean, the ones I allow myself to buy, like either honey nut Cheerios or sometimes cinnamon toast crunch. [00:01:17] Speaker B: Have you. Have you tried the crap, what are they called? The cinnamon oat crunch Cheerios? [00:01:24] Speaker A: No. [00:01:25] Speaker B: Oh, man, those are. Those are fantastic. Those are my second. That's my second favorite cereal of all time. First being crackling oat brand. But you can only buy it when it's on sale because it's. It's like buying a box of gold instead of buying a box of cereal. [00:01:40] Speaker A: I mean, I also like Froot Loops. I like fucking lucky charms. [00:01:43] Speaker B: Lucky charms is good. Lucky charms, excellent. Well, hopefully one of these days we can talk about eating some spawn cereal. Can you imagine, Johnny? Oh, hopefully a little bitty spawn marshmallows in there. [00:01:56] Speaker A: Yeah. I saw them do Ghostbusters when I was back home with my mom. And they have advertised, they show they use the old advertisement for the Ghostbusters cereal, but they act like it's, like, in world, like, the Ghostbusters were so popular in their world that they had cereal, but it's the same classic commercial. [00:02:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:15] Speaker A: Which I remember getting the Ghostbusters serial. [00:02:18] Speaker B: Nice, nice. [00:02:19] Speaker A: It was good because it was like lucky charms, but it had sweetened. The puff stuff was also, like, pretty sweet. So it was like sugar coated. [00:02:26] Speaker B: Oh, man. [00:02:27] Speaker A: Just like powdered sugar. Whatever's on lucky charms. [00:02:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean. I mean, this seems like an impossible thing to say, but lucky charms could be sweeter. [00:02:38] Speaker A: Yeah, the grain part I'm talking about. [00:02:41] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I get it. It's like whenever I had kicks as a kid, you know, unless you put, like, three spoonfuls of sugar on top of it. I wouldn't eat it because Kix wasn't sweet enough. [00:02:51] Speaker A: But it's kid tested. Mother approved. [00:02:53] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, probably. But it's mother approved because it doesn't have all that sugar on it. So you just got to take matters into your own hands. [00:03:00] Speaker A: I always kind of like kicks. [00:03:02] Speaker B: Kicks was fun. [00:03:03] Speaker A: Berry kicks was good. [00:03:05] Speaker B: Oh, I never had berry kicks. I wasn't allowed to have food colored cereal when I was a kid, so I wasn't allowed to have, like, fruit loops, tricks. Fruity pebbles. Because my daycare told my mom that it made me too hyperactive. [00:03:24] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [00:03:25] Speaker B: So I don't have a taste for, like, fruit flavored cereals. It's very weird. [00:03:31] Speaker A: Okay, interesting. I like those a lot. [00:03:34] Speaker B: That's okay, because coco pebbles beats fruity pebbles ass every day of the week. [00:03:39] Speaker A: So I don't know about that. I love fruity pebbles. [00:03:41] Speaker B: Yeah. But cocoa pebbles are good. You know what's real good is the chocolate frosted flakes. Chocolate frosted flakes are awesome. [00:03:49] Speaker A: That sounds good. [00:03:50] Speaker B: Those are real good. Frosted flakes. Quietly. One of the best cereals. [00:03:55] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I love frosted flakes. That was my favorite when I was a kid. Definitely. [00:03:59] Speaker B: Yeah. I bet they have that non nutritive cereal varnish that Clark Grisgold was working on in them too, because they stay. They stay pretty crunchy the whole bowl. So they're great non nutritive cereal ones. [00:04:13] Speaker A: Jerry Seinfeld's making a movie about Tony the tiger. [00:04:15] Speaker B: What? [00:04:17] Speaker A: It's called unfrosted or frosted or something. [00:04:21] Speaker B: Is it like a documentary about Tony the tiger, or is it. [00:04:23] Speaker A: No, it's like a joke. I have no idea. I keep seeing headlights for it, and it just confuses me. So I don't know. I haven't really looked into it. Cause I'm just like, wow. I understand. [00:04:33] Speaker B: That is. That is an untapped franchise. Serialiverse. Were they gonna get the snap, crackle and pop. Something happens to their tree, and they gotta go find Tony the tiger to go beat up the. The developers who are chopping their trees down. So it's like a serial version of Ferngully. Who would be hexes? Who's a good serial version of Hexus? I guess that would be, like, big. I guess it could still be the oil people. So it could just be Hexis. Hexis and cereal mascot. [00:05:05] Speaker A: And we had all the cereal mascots hanging out with Count Dooku when we were watching episode two the other day. [00:05:13] Speaker B: Remember? [00:05:13] Speaker A: He's hanging out that table with all, like, chocula. [00:05:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:16] Speaker A: Fucking Iron man. [00:05:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Frankenberry is there too. He just hasn't, he hasn't put his pink on him yet. [00:05:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Welcome, everyone. Welcome to regarding Spawn. [00:05:28] Speaker B: Hello. [00:05:29] Speaker A: Where each week we bring you two issues from Spawn's universe. Except when we don't. [00:05:34] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:05:35] Speaker A: And this week is no different. [00:05:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:38] Speaker A: And we are bringing you two issues. We've got a classic and a more modern issue. And if you read the title of the episode before you played, you'll know what they are. But maybe you're, like, asleep, and this was on autoplay, and I'm waking you up. [00:05:50] Speaker B: Yeah. What a way to start the day, Johnny. [00:05:53] Speaker A: What a way to start the day. No, we're reading Spawn 18 all the way back from the far off land of February 1994. And then we've got a more modern gunslinger 28 from February 2024. [00:06:08] Speaker B: So 30 years apart. Exactly. [00:06:11] Speaker A: They're exactly 30 years apart. We didn't plan that, but look at that. [00:06:16] Speaker B: I guess that happens when you read a new and an old issue from. [00:06:20] Speaker A: A. Yeah, but exactly 30 years apart. To the day, to the month, to the minute. [00:06:25] Speaker B: To the minute. [00:06:26] Speaker A: To the minute. [00:06:26] Speaker B: The printer times. You could calibrate other printer times based on their printing times. Isn't it fun to think we take. [00:06:35] Speaker A: You through the spawn and we take you through it? Well, yeah, I like to think so. That's what we're here to do. If you recall, we kind of been reading these earlier spawns. We're in the Grant Morrison Greg Capullo little miniseries here, which we know is called reflections. [00:06:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:58] Speaker A: And this is the part three of that with a very touching ending. [00:07:06] Speaker B: So it starts off with a wonderful little question. When will my reflection show who I am inside? You know? So very exciting. [00:07:17] Speaker A: Is that from Mulan? [00:07:18] Speaker B: It is, indeed. Okay. [00:07:20] Speaker A: I was like, which one is that? Is that Mulan or Pocahontas? [00:07:22] Speaker B: I can remember. I don't know if you've noticed, but there's a little red dragon floating around in the background of half of this book, Johnny. No way. And then there's occasionally a little cricket. Dishonor on you. Dishonor on your cow. [00:07:36] Speaker A: They made a Disney trading card game called Lorcana, and I guess Mushu is, like, an important character in it. [00:07:41] Speaker B: Well, how could he not be? [00:07:43] Speaker A: I don't know. I don't. I don't have to see Mulan. [00:07:45] Speaker B: Mushu. Well, Johnny, I'm sorry. You should. You should fix that, because it's got Donnie fucking Osmond doing what's. His head's singing voice, and it's great. [00:07:59] Speaker A: Oh, it's, uh. Isn't it, um. Oh, shit. Who is the singing voice? [00:08:06] Speaker B: But no, no, Donny Osmond is his singing voice, because Donnie Osmond's a singer, man. [00:08:10] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, that's okay. I was like, who's singing? Oh, okay. [00:08:12] Speaker B: I don't know if Donnie Osmond does the speaking voice, but he definitely does the singing voice. [00:08:16] Speaker A: Okay. [00:08:17] Speaker B: Because when you put be a man on the Spotify, it always comes up as Donnie Osmond. [00:08:23] Speaker A: I mean, he's good in a Joseph the amazing Technicolor dreamcoat. [00:08:26] Speaker B: He's just. He's just good. He's just good. [00:08:29] Speaker A: I remember. [00:08:29] Speaker B: I remember watching Donnie and Marie with my sister when we had sick days. Those good times. I could go back into those days and maybe be happy with it. I don't know. [00:08:42] Speaker A: I'll pop on the Today show every once in a while if I'm feeling nostalgic. [00:08:45] Speaker B: Nostalgia is a funny thing, Johnny. You'd like to think that it would be good to go back, but I know that if I went back, I would be like, what the fuck is this? I don't want to do this again. [00:08:53] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [00:08:55] Speaker B: Why do we. Why do we always forget all the bad shit, Johnny? It's just like, we forget that it happens, and then it happens again, and we're like, oh, I suddenly remember all of the bad things. [00:09:05] Speaker A: I don't know. Yeah, that's how it goes. You always think grass is always greener. [00:09:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:09] Speaker A: You know, you always wonder if, like, what paths you could have taken. But, you know, our path led us to doing a spawn podcast. [00:09:15] Speaker B: I wouldn't. I would take that path every time. Again, Johnny, if we had a time loop where we had to make a different decision each time, I would still be like, spawn podcast. Spawn podcast. [00:09:26] Speaker A: Let's do that. Spawn podcast. [00:09:28] Speaker B: I think it would be pretty cool for the spawn movie to be a time loop story. That would be fun. That's something that I don't think they've done. Yeah. [00:09:36] Speaker A: There's not enough other shit for audiences to have to get used to. It's like, let's throw a time loop into it, too. He's hell demon, and there's a time loop that's like spawn three or four. If you want to throw in a time loop, you can't do that in the first one. [00:09:49] Speaker B: Says you. Says you. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go work on a script right now. The spawn. Spawn the time loop story. [00:09:57] Speaker A: Spawn the time loop story. I'm gonna send a script into. Oh, my God. I was home, and my uncle was like, you know, you should just write to SNL and be like, hey, look at me. You should hire me. And I was like, yeah, you're right. That's exactly what I should do. That's what I want to do also. Yeah, it's just funny how, like, you know, they hear your playwright and the way they interpret what that means I love my uncle very much. But it was just funny, man. [00:10:28] Speaker B: I could not imagine being on the SNL writing staff, like, the stories of. [00:10:32] Speaker A: No, I wouldn't want to do that. [00:10:33] Speaker B: The stories of their working hours and sort of the environment. No, thank you. No, thank you. I do not want to live in a windowless. [00:10:41] Speaker A: No, I don't even like SNL as a person. Why would I want to be on it? Well, so that was like a fucking nightmare. [00:10:48] Speaker B: Well, that way you could get buddy buddy with Lorne Michaels, and then you could have, like, a Tina fey trajectory where. [00:10:54] Speaker A: Oh, sure. [00:10:55] Speaker B: Now, Wanda and I just recently finished the or just finished the most recent season of girls five Eva, which, if you haven't watched girls five Eva, you should go watch girls five Eva. It's fucking great. Okay. And Wanda was just like, I love this show, but I don't know how it got made. And I was like, well, Tina Fey, she was like, oh, that makes sense. [00:11:15] Speaker A: Yep. [00:11:16] Speaker B: That's the dream. Getting to the point where you can just greenlight good shit that people need to see. [00:11:22] Speaker A: Yeah, that is the dream. [00:11:24] Speaker B: Speaking of good shit people need to see, Johnny. They need to see this. Spawn number 18. [00:11:28] Speaker A: Spawn 18, baby reflections, part three, especially this cover. [00:11:33] Speaker B: Holy shit. This is a great cover. [00:11:35] Speaker A: This is a badass cover. Spawn, like punching or, like, he's ripping. He ripped the skull off of himself as he ripped open the coffin. [00:11:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:46] Speaker A: Rats everywhere. [00:11:48] Speaker B: The rats. [00:11:50] Speaker A: And bats. There's rats and bats. And Karlukopia would be very comfortable here. [00:11:58] Speaker B: Yes. Yes, he would. And, you know, he's got the green smokey eye going. There's probably a tutorial, you know, on his YouTube page on how to get that green smokey eye, Johnny. [00:12:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:11] Speaker B: Getting the makeup to stay in the air around your head is the difficult part. [00:12:16] Speaker A: Yeah, they've been teaching on TikTok. [00:12:19] Speaker B: Yeah, this is almost like he's decided to take a break and go do Hamlet for the clout, but it's just overly dramatic during the, alas, poor Yorick series. [00:12:33] Speaker A: Yeah, everyone's like, damn, these are a little intense. [00:12:35] Speaker B: Like, we get. We get. It's emotional, but we'll down a little bit, please. But, yeah, there's chains going everywhere because, you know, it's. It's great cover, Johnny. Great. Copula does a good cover. [00:12:47] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. That is awesome. It's pretty badass. I like the classy border around it, too. [00:12:52] Speaker B: I would like the. The all natural owl version of this without the trade dress, because then you could just, like, slide it directly into a picture frame. And hang it on your wall, and it would be, like, totally ready to go. You don't have to put a mat in it or anything. [00:13:06] Speaker A: That'd be perfect. [00:13:07] Speaker B: Yeah, it would be real good. Who's this tracy? Right next to Greg Capullo's signature along the back of that rat, it says Tracy. So I guess Tracy's probably either an inker or a colorer. Let's see. [00:13:20] Speaker A: Yeah. There's no Tracy in the credits, though. [00:13:23] Speaker B: No, there isn't. It might be Tracy Anderson from Ollie optics. [00:13:29] Speaker A: It probably is, because we got to give credit where credit is due, like we do, and that's where we go to the credits for you. [00:13:39] Speaker B: That was nice. [00:13:40] Speaker A: Thank you. So you got the opening credits. Reflections, part three. Story by Grant Morrison. Pencils by Grant Capullo. [00:13:49] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. [00:13:50] Speaker A: Inks by art Debert and Dan Panosian. [00:13:53] Speaker B: I think so. Dan Panosian is about to do a series of covers for local man. [00:13:59] Speaker A: Oh, really? [00:14:00] Speaker B: Tim Seely was very excited about that. He was, like, original image man doing nightmare on my book. I love how much Tim Seeley is just, like, a fanboy who kind of can't believe that he gets to do what he does. It's fun. [00:14:15] Speaker A: Yeah, he's great. That comic book's really fun, too. [00:14:18] Speaker B: It's so good. Did you read the bad girls special? [00:14:23] Speaker A: I haven't read it yet. [00:14:24] Speaker B: Oh, there's. There's cameos from a lot of different people, and there's one particular cameo that we'll talk about. When? After you've read it. [00:14:32] Speaker A: Okay. I need to get. I've been behind on my comics. [00:14:34] Speaker B: I took, like, a weekend and did nothing but read through my stack of comics that I needed to read. It took me all weekend. [00:14:42] Speaker A: I need to do that soon. [00:14:44] Speaker B: It was wild. [00:14:45] Speaker A: That's a good call. Sometimes you got to do it, though. Yeah. Copy editor and letter. We know him. You love him. Tom Orczyczewski. [00:14:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:54] Speaker A: Color by Steve Olit and Ollie optics. And it's dedicated to Dick Ayers, who was a classic comic book inker and artist. One of Jack Kirby's inkers during the late fifties. [00:15:07] Speaker B: Yes. [00:15:09] Speaker A: He's known for doing the Silver Age comics, some of the earliest issues of the Fantastic Four. He's the signature penciler of Sergeant Fury and his howling commandos. [00:15:17] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. [00:15:19] Speaker A: With a ten year run on that. [00:15:20] Speaker B: It would have been. It would have been great for him to have still been alive to do some work on that Bruce Campbell Howling Commandos series. Yeah. [00:15:30] Speaker A: That was fun. [00:15:30] Speaker B: That was fun. That was real fun. It was like candy. It was just like, hum, num, num, num, num, num. [00:15:37] Speaker A: That was Sergeant Rock, though, right? [00:15:39] Speaker B: Oh, shit. That was Sergeant Rock. Shit. That's DC, not Marvel fucking, yeah. [00:15:44] Speaker A: Is Sergeant Fury the same as Nick Fury? [00:15:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I do believe Nick Fury is Sergeant Fury because that's him in his war years, and he only becomes Nick Fury as we know him after the war. [00:16:01] Speaker A: Yep, that's him. [00:16:04] Speaker B: My brain fart about mixing the DC Marvel characters is a little apropos, Johnny. Cause very famously, the guy who created man thing and the guy who created swamp thing were roommates, really? And both created these characters at around the same time. [00:16:29] Speaker A: That's nice. It's like a good scheme. Like, hey, you go to DC, I'll go to Marvel with this guy. [00:16:35] Speaker B: Oh, man. [00:16:36] Speaker A: Not too shabby of an idea. [00:16:38] Speaker B: No, not too bad. Between the two of them, I take swamp thing. Man thing's pretty cool, but swamp thing still love that dude. [00:16:45] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:16:46] Speaker B: Love that dude. [00:16:47] Speaker A: I like that one. That just. It was like the big format one that came out last year at some point. [00:16:52] Speaker B: Oh, the. The one where it's like, the world is ended. Has ended, and he's okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:16:59] Speaker A: Then Constantine shows up. [00:17:00] Speaker B: Yeah. With the. Doug. Doug Menke does the art. Yes. [00:17:04] Speaker A: I can't remember what the name of it was, but it was good. [00:17:08] Speaker B: I think it had the word green in it or the world word world in it. [00:17:13] Speaker A: Green world. It was green world. Strike. Knicks. Yeah, but, yeah, so that's the co credits there. And we open in Rat City. Rat alley. [00:17:28] Speaker B: Mm hmm. With, you know, thematically, appropriately enough, speaking of sergeant. Sergeant Fury in the war times, we get one of the denizens of Red Alley having a flashback to his time in Nam. [00:17:43] Speaker A: His name's Dipper. [00:17:44] Speaker B: Dipper. On the street. On the street. They call him Dipper, but it's actually private Marty Slattic. [00:17:52] Speaker A: Yeah, he's a nam. [00:17:53] Speaker B: He's a nam. And, uh. Oh, boy. He just. The. The rule is you gotta. You gotta watch out for your. You gotta watch out for your buddies, Johnny. And one time, he didn't. And this sounds very unpleasant. Very unpleasant. The time that he did exploded. [00:18:15] Speaker A: He sees spawn. We were right in the middle of the fight with spawn in media fight here, and. [00:18:21] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's throwing him to a PTSD flashback. [00:18:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Antispawn beating up on spawn throws Dipper here into a flashback. [00:18:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:32] Speaker A: Where he's just like, oh, you got to take care of your buddies. [00:18:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:35] Speaker A: And then he's kind of looks a little howling commando esque here with all the guys in the alley here with him. [00:18:42] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Like, he's the, he's the leader. It does kind of make it. [00:18:47] Speaker A: They're the Bowery commandos. They're Bowery alley. [00:18:50] Speaker B: It does make it kind of dependent on him doing stuff because you see how everyone else is behind the little border at the bottom, but he's the only one that's in front of it. [00:18:58] Speaker A: Yeah, he's like, he's the one stepping out. [00:19:01] Speaker B: He's the one that's got to do it. And quietly, very, very, very powerful. This is a really good image of him. Just, like, drinking away his, his sorrows on the streets of New York City. Just like, man, Greg Capulla does good art. [00:19:16] Speaker A: Yeah, that's sad. Like, he comes back and just starts drinking and drinking. [00:19:20] Speaker B: I I worked with a guy whose dad was a Vietnam vet, and Jesus Christ, every time he told me a story that his dad told him, it got worse. And it was like, holy shit. Holy shit. Like, apparently he was, uh, he was. He was. He was missing in action for a while just because I guess his patrol leader didn't, didn't radio in often enough. And when somebody finally found him, they just, like, took him straight from the jungle and threw him on a plane. So that way, when he got off the plane in, like, San Francisco, he still had his trophies in his pocket, which is disturbing, but was just like, what trophies? What do you mean by trophies? He apparently cut ears off of all the people that he killed. Oh, and all of those ears were in his pocket when he was deposited off of the plane when he got back. Wow. Like, nobody, nobody did anything for him. They just, like, booted him off the plane and they're like, you're back. We found you. Goodbye. Wow. [00:20:28] Speaker A: Wow. [00:20:28] Speaker B: Vietnam was a crazy place, Johnny. [00:20:31] Speaker A: Sounds like it. [00:20:32] Speaker B: We should have not been there in the first place, but that, we do not need to get on that tangent. [00:20:37] Speaker A: That's a lot. That's a whole other podcast. [00:20:39] Speaker B: That's several podcasts and mini books. But we got one book here, Johnny, and it's got old Mister Antispawn himself with his fist sword that he's got, and he's raising it above him so that way he can attack Al Simmons and promises to make it hurt. And as he's about to swing, swing low upon Al's head, he gets wanged on the back of the head by. [00:21:12] Speaker A: A pipe, by dipper. By Dipper. And he says, you gotta watch out for your buddies. [00:21:19] Speaker B: Yeah, you do gotta watch out for him. And then. And then, you know, antispawn turns around in a rage and is, like, filth. I'll burn your eyes out. He sounds. He sounds a little bit like Bruce Campbell when he's being attacked by the little mini ashes. Yeah, a little bit. [00:21:45] Speaker A: I like the colors in this issue because, like, just with the purple cape and the red cape and the green. [00:21:50] Speaker B: Necroplasm and, like, the orange and the orange. [00:21:54] Speaker A: Just a lot of good, like, colors. [00:21:56] Speaker B: Ollie. Ollie optics doing a good. Or Steve Olaf and Ollie optics doing good work here. And then I, like, you know, antispawns, like, ready to beat up on the unhomed men, and they're just like, come at me, bro. We got bottles. We got the. The return of the board with the nails in it. We got the one guy with a knife. [00:22:17] Speaker A: We got that board with the nail. Gets a lot of traction in these alleys. [00:22:21] Speaker B: I'm sure it's. It's probably, like, at the bar. They've got the barbet underneath. I'm sure that there's just, like, one. One little spot of the alley where they keep the board with the nails in it and somebody. [00:22:33] Speaker A: Yeah, it's, like, on hooks. You take it off the wall, you've got. [00:22:36] Speaker B: It's got a. There's probably, like, a schedule that they have to follow, like, this week. If anything happens, Timmy's the guy who's grabbing the board. Next week, it'll be Alfred. [00:22:47] Speaker A: It'll be Bootsy and Bobby. [00:22:48] Speaker B: It's Bootsy and Bobby. Well, Bootsie's just gonna kick him with those boots. Cause, you know, he's got those pointy toes. He's got the dress boots, right? Oh, maybe. We're about to meet. We're about to meet Bootsy, aren't we? [00:23:00] Speaker A: Yeah, you're talking about going to do it a miniseries. We got to stay on this. [00:23:05] Speaker B: Hey, don't blow up my spot just because I want to read all of these mini series that I'm currently slowly buying from eBay. [00:23:14] Speaker A: Hey, I did too. [00:23:16] Speaker B: It's super fun. I, like, just randomly learning about something and being like, oh, shit, this exists. Oh, shit. I could get it on eBay for $5. [00:23:24] Speaker A: Yeah, blood feud is really fun. So that'll be a good one when we get to that. Yeah, I remember liking it a lot. So then Spawn says, these people run. He's about to attack all of them with all their weapons. And spawn pops up, is like, yo, these people are under my protection. [00:23:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:39] Speaker A: Gives them the old green necroplasm uppercut. [00:23:41] Speaker B: The old green fist. It's just glowing fists, Johnny. It's yellow. Glowing fist versus green. Glowing fists. It's almost like a. Like a green lantern issue here. Yellow versus green. [00:23:55] Speaker A: Everyone's shooting beams at each other. [00:23:57] Speaker B: Oh, man. It looks like he might have hurt old Jason win here with that uppercut, too. Like, his head is thrown back and. [00:24:06] Speaker A: Man, yeah, it looks pretty painful. [00:24:08] Speaker B: I can't imagine how much power Al is draining doing this. Probably. [00:24:13] Speaker A: Oh, my God. It's just ticking down. [00:24:16] Speaker B: It's leaking like a sieve. Yeah, to reference a koliosja. So, yeah, they're still wrestling. You think he's like. You think you can hurt me, heaven soldier? And then he, like, shoves his fist into Al's chest. Just like. I guess it's the sword. The sword hand. And it's just. [00:24:38] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. But it's like he does, like, fucking temple of Doom shit. [00:24:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:43] Speaker A: Just goes in the chest and grabs his heart. Kali ma. That movie used to scare the shit out of me. [00:24:49] Speaker B: I wasn't allowed to watch it, probably for that very reason. [00:24:52] Speaker A: Just that one specifically? [00:24:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, that. So there were parts of Raiders and last crusade that I was told to leave the room for. Specifically, the melting Nazis in Raiders and the. The decapitation scene and the drinking from the grail scene in last Crusade. And then I just wasn't allowed to watch Temple of Doom at all. [00:25:17] Speaker A: That was fucked up. [00:25:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:25:20] Speaker A: At least your parents had, like, nuance and they knew the differences. [00:25:23] Speaker B: It's good. Yeah. Well, they also loved Indiana Jones. And my mom hated Temple of Doom because she hated Willie. Hated. Or is it Billy? Willy. Willy. [00:25:34] Speaker A: It's Willy. Willy Scott. [00:25:36] Speaker B: Because she was. My mom was very like, I love that Marion Ravenswood, fucking strong ass character. Elsa from last Crusade. Strong ass character Willy, Temple of Doom. What the shit? She did not like how Ditzy Willie was. [00:25:57] Speaker A: It was kind of. It's kind of funny. [00:25:59] Speaker B: It's, uh. It's the weakest of the three. So I was. [00:26:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I was. It's definitely like a very hate filled movie. And it's like a. I take it for granted that just existed, but, like, if you saw that after Raiders, the lost Ark, I would be so confused. [00:26:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:13] Speaker A: What the fuck was that? Yeah, it's just so mean spirited and, like, to everyone. [00:26:17] Speaker B: To everyone. Yeah, man. [00:26:21] Speaker A: It was like I liked as a kid because it was like a horror movie, probably is why I liked it. [00:26:25] Speaker B: But, yeah, it is pretty much like a horror movie. [00:26:29] Speaker A: It's like faces of death for children. [00:26:31] Speaker B: Yeah, but, like, a lot of pulp adventure stuff. A lot of the conflict is baked into racism and colonialism, and these people are weird, and it's kind of icky for that. [00:26:48] Speaker A: Well, it's definitely like a reference to, like, Gunga Din and all those kind of movies that they used to probably watch as kids and like, serials and old comic books and shit and magazines. [00:26:58] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:26:59] Speaker A: It wasn't great in the eighties, and this is really not great now. [00:27:05] Speaker B: But as an artifact, I still like it. [00:27:07] Speaker A: Yeah, as an artifact, it's interesting. Crazy. [00:27:11] Speaker B: Well, Wanda and I actually just had this conversation yesterday because it's recently been announced that Harvard has removed the human skin from their human skin book and are disposing of the remains in a humane way. And it's. Well, first off, that book was probably skinned with a slave, so that's very difficult to really do anything with, correct wise. But also, if you already have a hundreds year old book bound in skin, you could leave it as the artifact and put all of the things you need to in place to make sure that it's okay. Just do. To never do it again. [00:27:55] Speaker A: Yeah, but what book was it? [00:27:59] Speaker B: I don't even remember what it's called, but, like, for the longest time, there were, like, rumors that we think this is human skin. And then in the eighties, they tested it and they were like, oh, yeah, this is motherfucking human skin, y'all. [00:28:09] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [00:28:10] Speaker B: But yeah, they just recently removed the COVID and disposed. Disposed? Disposed. Makes it sound even worse. It makes it sound like they just threw it in the garbage. [00:28:22] Speaker A: Yeah. What do you do with that? [00:28:23] Speaker B: But, but. And yet I bet they aren't giving back any of the native, native artifacts back to the people who rightfully own them, Johnny. [00:28:35] Speaker A: But that I'm sure they're not. [00:28:37] Speaker B: Again, another conversation, another podcast, another series of books. We just want to watch these beat em ups. Al Simmons gets hurt so much with this Kalima move that his eyes start glowing pink, Johnny, that's how bad it was. [00:28:51] Speaker A: Like Godzilla, he turns pink. [00:28:52] Speaker B: And then I like how it pulls back and just like, shows. Shows the guys watching him just pummel anti spawn. Cause it's like big and grandiose, this fight. But then it pulls back and it's just like a couple of guys scuffling. [00:29:08] Speaker A: In an alley, whacking him. [00:29:09] Speaker B: Yeah, that's always fun. I like that when they do that, especially in films where it's like everything's so dramatic and then they cut to 3ft away and it's just the most mundane thing. I love it. I love it, Jenny. [00:29:25] Speaker A: And then he grabs his head, shoots necroplasm into it, which makes it shoot out the front of his face. And he puts his fist through it. [00:29:33] Speaker B: Yeah. And that's where we get the opening reading. [00:29:37] Speaker A: Yep. Welcome to real world, bastard. Have a nice day. [00:29:40] Speaker B: And then, you know, antispawn's just, like, on the ground, leaking his heaven light out of his face. [00:29:47] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just like blood, like heaven. It's all bubbly and gross. [00:29:51] Speaker B: He kind of looks like cyclops after somebody removes his sunglasses. [00:29:55] Speaker A: Yeah, it's pretty cool. Good concept of, like, oh, he's, like, leaking his eternal fire, I guess. [00:30:01] Speaker B: Yeah, like, I'll kill you. I'll kill you. [00:30:05] Speaker A: Tell me about. Tell me about it, stud. [00:30:08] Speaker B: I got spawns. They're multiplying. [00:30:13] Speaker A: And then he just shoots him. [00:30:14] Speaker B: Yeah, right chest. Anti spawn's there on the ground, just, like, smoking. And Dipper starts talking to spawn. Spawn says, I think I got him. [00:30:32] Speaker A: Dipper's like, dipper did a good job. He's gotta watch out for his buddies. So he's redeemed. [00:30:37] Speaker B: Did I do the right thing? You did the right thing, buddy. And then he starts to. He disappears. He disappeared. Look at that. We'll all be damned. It's fun. [00:30:47] Speaker A: Says, I wouldn't recommend it. Wah, wah, wah. [00:30:51] Speaker B: Every time I read this issue, I crack up at that. It's just wonderful. [00:30:55] Speaker A: Waka, waka, waka. Go back to the space station with the angel station where they made. [00:31:05] Speaker B: Jason went into anti spawn, and they're like, he's broken. I know. The cure. More elemental fire. [00:31:14] Speaker A: They just start pumping him full of more shit. [00:31:17] Speaker B: And he says, no more, please. And we get one of the recurring themes in early spawn. The gigantic. No, no, no. [00:31:29] Speaker A: George Lucas was a big fan. [00:31:30] Speaker B: I wonder if that's Tom O's favorite word since he's had to write it so big so many times. No, no, no. That would have been a great question to have asked him at his panel. What's your favorite word of all time? To have to. [00:31:48] Speaker A: Yeah, he'd say no because it's short. [00:31:52] Speaker B: Oh, man. He's like, I could do this all day. No, no, no. [00:31:56] Speaker A: Well, spawn con too. We'll have to ask him. [00:32:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Spawn con or respawn con to the reply. [00:32:07] Speaker A: The reply. [00:32:10] Speaker B: Maybe we can convince the board to somehow shoehorn our name into it. Yeah, I'm sure. Still have nothing to do with. [00:32:23] Speaker A: I'll be at the Ruby Tuesdays. [00:32:25] Speaker B: I'm sure they would love to give us free advertising at their own expense. Yeah. [00:32:30] Speaker A: Just make a more confusing name for their conversation. [00:32:34] Speaker B: So back down in the alley, the guys are celebrating, and Al's over there brooding by himself again. And then some. Some very. A weird, like, balding mullet. Like, he's got long hair, but a very receding hairline. [00:32:55] Speaker A: He's like a very specific type of dude from the eighties. [00:32:58] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Like, I feel like this guy was in Highlander or this. This feels like he looks kind of like Christopher Lambert from Highlander. That's funny. [00:33:06] Speaker A: A little bit. [00:33:07] Speaker B: A little bit. But just like this. This weird middle aged, but ancient, but also not that old guy. [00:33:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:19] Speaker B: Just kind of shows up and he gives Al Simmons a card that's blank. But when Spahn needs this man, his information will appear on the card. [00:33:31] Speaker A: Just give me over the most important part. [00:33:33] Speaker B: What's that? [00:33:34] Speaker A: I believe you met one of us before. A man named Cagliostro. [00:33:37] Speaker B: Oh. How is it? [00:33:40] Speaker A: Cag? [00:33:41] Speaker B: Cag? I don't know. Well, cuz he's a cad. Cad? [00:33:45] Speaker A: He's Cat Cogliostro. [00:33:47] Speaker B: I mean, maybe it's his accent. Cagliostro. [00:33:50] Speaker A: I think that was originally his name. And they changed it. Or who knows? [00:33:54] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't know, Johnny. I don't know. But it does say CSU nine. So it's the same guy. Believe me, you can beat the devil. And so. Yeah. [00:34:05] Speaker A: When does this guy come back? I don't even remember. [00:34:07] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't even remember who this guy is. This isn't Houdini, is it? [00:34:11] Speaker A: No, I don't think so. [00:34:13] Speaker B: I do not know, Johnny. I do not know. [00:34:15] Speaker A: We'll find out. That's where we're on this journey. [00:34:18] Speaker B: There's always the possibility that he's never come back yet. It's true. [00:34:21] Speaker A: That's the thing I was thinking. Maybe he's never come back, but he gives spawn this blank business card and is like, it'll have something on it when you need it. [00:34:29] Speaker B: Because it could always be an agreement between Todd McFarlane and Grant Morrison that this guy won't come back until Grant writes another issue. [00:34:37] Speaker A: Yeah, they're just holding him back. And this would be like, remember me from issue 18? [00:34:42] Speaker B: And that's what he says specifically? [00:34:44] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what he says. [00:34:46] Speaker B: And then the little reference at the bottom is, remember when he said Cagliostron. [00:34:53] Speaker A: And John got mad? [00:34:54] Speaker B: That would be hilarious if it actually co host Johnny was upset. And then Spawn's like, I still got some work to do. And so he. He takes himself to Simmonsville and he. He raises it to the ground single handedly. Just. Yeah, with the. With some super nineties guns and major veils there. Major Veil. Is that his name? Yeah. Major Veil. Yes. Ooh. Vicky Veil's dad. I think. I think Vicky Veil's dead is also a major veil. Very nice, but so. So Major Vale's like, hey, what are you doing? This is my weird hell place that I'm supposed to take care of. What are you doing? And Spawn's like, I know you. You did this. And Major Vale's like, no one's supposed to know that. Who are you? Who the hell are you, mister? Spawn just fucking shoots him right through the eye, Johnny. [00:35:55] Speaker A: Yeah. He basically shows up, starts decimating Simmonsville, and then just shoots. Yeah, shoots him right in the head. [00:36:01] Speaker B: Right. Right through the eye. Al says he wishes. [00:36:04] Speaker A: Crazy nineties pistol and gun, too. [00:36:08] Speaker B: Oh, man. Al says he wishes it could make him feel better, but it's time to finish the job, Johnny. So he watches his life go up in flames again. [00:36:17] Speaker A: That'd be hard to do. I don't know if I had, like, a. If I had, like, a theme park that was my whole life. I don't know if I'd be able to burn it down. [00:36:24] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:36:26] Speaker A: I just want to live there. [00:36:27] Speaker B: I can only imagine the turmoil that Al Simmons has already gone through. It's probably. It's probably still very difficult, but I'm sure it's less difficult than it could be since he's basically lost everything twice already. [00:36:43] Speaker A: I realized if I had a Simmonsville, that the stone wall would definitely be in there somehow. [00:36:47] Speaker B: Oh, man, I love the stonewall. It was so good. Boy, that was. That was where I had my 21st birthday party. And I was. I was friends with one of the bartenders. So not only did I get drinks purchased for me, but every drink that I ordered myself was free. And that ended up. [00:37:06] Speaker A: You had a great day. [00:37:08] Speaker B: I had a great couple of hours. I had a terrible. A terrible rest of the night and next morning and I think even the next day. [00:37:17] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. The old two day hangovers. I remember those. [00:37:20] Speaker B: Oh, boy. [00:37:21] Speaker A: It's been a long time since I had one of those. [00:37:24] Speaker B: I wouldn't recommend it. [00:37:26] Speaker A: That's the advantage of being old. You fall asleep before you can get that drunk. [00:37:31] Speaker B: It's like, why am I still. Why am I still. Physically. Is too difficult to raise the glass to your mouth again? Yeah, that's so weak. My problem is I get hella thirsty, and I'm like, I have to stop drinking this and just chugging water. And then I'm over at the sink, just like. [00:37:52] Speaker A: I mean, that's a good thing to do. [00:37:54] Speaker B: Yeah, it helps. [00:37:55] Speaker A: No, I just was just thinking, like, what? Because he mentioned that the bar he used to drink in, and I'm like, what is the most important bar in my life? And it was probably the Stonewall. [00:38:03] Speaker B: Definitely the Stonewall. [00:38:04] Speaker A: That's where I formed most relationships and, like, spent the most time. Definitely spent the most time at any single bar. [00:38:10] Speaker B: The def. The bar I've been to the most ever. Because most bars I go to once. [00:38:15] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, I don't really go. I mean, I go to bars occasionally, but, like. Yeah, not like Stonewall. Yeah. So Stonewall. Stonewall doesn't exist anymore, but. Yeah, but there was a place called Stonewall in Stilwater, Oklahoma. [00:38:27] Speaker B: Those who know, know very well. [00:38:30] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, I can. I'll go smell. It. Smells like old beer, cigarettes, and piss. [00:38:36] Speaker B: Whenever. Whenever my friends randomly pick up, like, sent around pictures that they took at the stone wall, it's like, what? What is that? I can't see through all the smoke. [00:38:47] Speaker A: Yeah. What's going on in there? [00:38:49] Speaker B: Oh, man. Jesus. [00:38:51] Speaker A: Yeah. So, Al burns down his life, his stonewall tavern, his everything. [00:38:59] Speaker B: And then there's one thing left in Simmonsville, and it's the memory of a perfect day that's just, like, existing in the middle of, like, fire burning. It's his memory of the best day of his life. [00:39:15] Speaker A: Yep. And it's the day he asks Wanda to marry him on a spring day. And I'm not gonna lie. When I read this, I got a little emotional. [00:39:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:39:23] Speaker A: Just because memory and time is a weird thing. [00:39:27] Speaker B: Well, I mean, it's. It's. It's very sad for Mister Al Simmons. So he. He collapses this perfect day memory down into a single. A single spark. And then he. He says that this. This needs to be placed somewhere that it could be safe. He says, I need to keep it secret. I need to keep it safe. And then we. We cut to queens, and there's a house in the rain, and Wanda's standing at the window saying she's thinking about stuff. And then Al Simmons is sitting in the tree outside the house, and he is. The memory spark right at her, and it. It hits her, and, like, she. She fleetingly remembers it and then forgets. And. Yeah, that's. That's the part that's. That's so sad is that Al Simmons is always going to remember this, but Wanda will only ever be reminded of that day. Randomly for no good reason and not, like, actively. And that's. Oh, man. So a little bit of Al Simmons exists within. Within Wanda. Although I guess technically that means a little bit of that. That hell. Hell protoplasm exists inside Wanda. [00:40:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:46] Speaker B: So I wonder if that's something that could be exploited. Oh, boy. [00:40:50] Speaker A: Maybe. [00:40:51] Speaker B: Oh, boy. [00:40:53] Speaker A: No, but he just sends her the memory so she can have it next to really buff Terry. Terry's, like, super buff. Oh, yeah. [00:40:59] Speaker B: Oh, jeez, look at that. [00:41:02] Speaker A: But I don't know. It's just touching to have, like, it. [00:41:05] Speaker B: Also looks like he's a nude sleeper. Johnny. [00:41:08] Speaker A: He is a nude sleeper. Meow. No, it's just a touching moment where kind of just about memory and. [00:41:18] Speaker B: And loss. [00:41:19] Speaker A: Loss. Love loss. [00:41:21] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:41:22] Speaker A: Yeah. But it's probably the first time spawn comment made me tear up. So there you go, Graham Morrison. You got me. [00:41:29] Speaker B: Yeah, it's real. It's real touching. It's real touching. And then. And then we get this nice, awesome final. Darkness is my home. [00:41:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm used to darkness. Darkness is my home now. Grey Capullo 1990 319 93. [00:41:45] Speaker B: It's real great. Oh, great. [00:41:47] Speaker A: Pretty badass. [00:41:48] Speaker B: It's a great little. Great little end of the series. [00:41:52] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a nice little capper on it. [00:41:54] Speaker B: We got the. The image info with the blah, blah blah 13 by Terry Fitzgerald, where he's talking about the Redford might spawn hockey team, where there's a whole bunch of little kids wearing spawn hockey jerseys. Pretty cool. [00:42:08] Speaker A: I bet they thought they were pretty badass. [00:42:10] Speaker B: I mean, I think they're pretty badass. [00:42:12] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, they are. Yeah. But I mean, just, like, can you imagine being, like, spawn as a kid? You'd be like, hell, yeah. [00:42:17] Speaker B: I like this one extra husky kid on the end. Just, like, yelling across the. [00:42:24] Speaker A: I like that one. They're hilarious. Some of them look, like, real mean. They're trying to look mean. [00:42:29] Speaker B: That totally would have been me, the extra husky kid with his mouth open. Because all of my pictures, for a period of time there, like, when I got really, really sort of. I tried to. I believed myself to be a goth, but not a traditional eighties goth, but it's just very moody. I closed my mouth and scowled for all my pictures. But besides that period of time, every picture of me is with my mouth. That's just. That's just how I do it. It feels weird to see how it goes. There's that one kid looking like he's gonna fucking tell his best friend to not come to school tomorrow. Like, dude on the other side. [00:43:13] Speaker A: So that's the kid who's looking all angry. He's hilarious. [00:43:15] Speaker B: I guess. I guess those are those. Those two kids are me in pictures. I'm either aloof with my mouth open, or trying to be extra scary. Yeah, it's actually kind of weird. This guy kind of looks like my, like my dad as a child. The one in the third from the left in the front. [00:43:37] Speaker A: Interesting. Maybe your dad's a time traveler. [00:43:39] Speaker B: Time traveler was a, was a six to nine year old boy at the time that I was four to five year old boy. [00:43:47] Speaker A: Yeah. In Canada nonetheless. But, yeah, they're just highlighting the hockey team, kids hockey team here and the image info. [00:43:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:43:55] Speaker A: And then it's got all the just, like, previews of the stuff coming up, the classics. It's a classic lineup of, you know, wildcats, savage dragon pit, shadowhawk, youngbloods, savage dragon. [00:44:09] Speaker B: Oh, prophet supreme, all that stuff. Bloodstreak. [00:44:12] Speaker A: But it does have some spawn stuff because it is hiring the spawn Batman crossover that'll be coming out soon. That's cool. [00:44:19] Speaker B: Then we get a couple of pinups. The first one, I have no idea who drew it. The second one looks like petty. This first one's pretty cool. It's just Al Simmons standing in a spotlight of the spawn logo. [00:44:33] Speaker A: Yeah, it looks like an animated series version too. It's pretty cool. [00:44:35] Speaker B: Yeah. The next one is spawn and violator, like, flying through space. That's pretty awesome. [00:44:44] Speaker A: Yeah, pretty cool. [00:44:45] Speaker B: It looks like it would be a great blacklight poster. [00:44:49] Speaker A: Yeah, it would. Cause it's got all the green stuff and, like. Yeah, that'd be awesome. [00:44:55] Speaker B: And then we come to the spawning grounds. Oh, Johnny. Ah. [00:44:58] Speaker A: So many words. [00:44:59] Speaker B: So many words. I don't even remember. I don't even think I remember any of these letters. Oh, boy. [00:45:03] Speaker A: So many letters to Todd McFarland. There's so many words. [00:45:07] Speaker B: This first one. This first one is one of the few 100%. This is fucking awesome letters that we ever get. [00:45:16] Speaker A: Yeah, he's very, very positive. The ones I remember from this is the really mean one that says he's like a pompous asshole. [00:45:26] Speaker B: Yeah. I feel like there's, in short, I've. [00:45:29] Speaker A: Proven that Todd McFarlane and most of the image group are a bunch of hypocritical, egotistical, childish brats that always have to have their own way. Wow. [00:45:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, boy. There's a guy who says that spawn got him back into reading, which is dope. [00:45:46] Speaker A: That's pretty cool. [00:45:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:47] Speaker A: Like a young kid. [00:45:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:48] Speaker A: I don't know, David, it's just a lot of. [00:45:52] Speaker B: There's a lot of passion. [00:45:53] Speaker A: There's a lot of samey. There's a lot of kind of samey. [00:45:57] Speaker B: Yeah. Although I do like that. The one that this kid who spawn got it back into reading. His parents don't know. He reads spawn. [00:46:04] Speaker A: Oh, no. That was hilarious. He's like, please don't tell my parents. [00:46:09] Speaker B: And then Todd does the classic. The classic dad joke of. I'm already sending them a copy. [00:46:16] Speaker A: Yeah. That was pretty cute. [00:46:17] Speaker B: Yeah, those are letters. We got some. Some image fan art here. Some good stuff. I like the violator in the cape. [00:46:24] Speaker A: You fools. [00:46:25] Speaker B: I'm not really spawn. [00:46:28] Speaker A: That was awesome. [00:46:29] Speaker B: Oh, boy. [00:46:31] Speaker A: Only a couple spawn ones, and the rest are all kind of just different characters that I'm not sure I know all of them. There's that guy that definitely looks like Wolverine. [00:46:37] Speaker B: Uh, well, the. That's next to the violator with the cape. [00:46:41] Speaker A: Yes. [00:46:41] Speaker B: That's Shadowhawk. Right. [00:46:43] Speaker A: I know. [00:46:44] Speaker B: Yeah, Shadowhawk. And then. And then there's the pit right above him, which is wild. Look at. Look at that guy. No, that's the max. [00:46:51] Speaker A: The max? [00:46:52] Speaker B: The max. And then I think all the rest of them are wildcats that aren't spawned. [00:46:58] Speaker A: Pretty much. [00:46:58] Speaker B: Yeah, wildcats. Take it over, Johnny. [00:47:02] Speaker A: Gotta watch out. [00:47:04] Speaker B: Oh, the max. Back issue blowout number three. Johnny Spawntastic apparel. The spawn satin jacket. Johnny. I wish I had this thing. I'm pretty sure spawn archives has one. [00:47:15] Speaker A: Look at these. Look at these back issue blowout here. Like, some of these are worth way more than they would be today. $10 for spawn number two in 1994. That's like $25. [00:47:27] Speaker B: That is, like $25, man. This is. [00:47:30] Speaker A: Yeah, it's an ad for spiders web. And where does that say. I can read it. Pull you up. [00:47:36] Speaker B: Pull up P. Washington. [00:47:40] Speaker A: Okay. [00:47:42] Speaker B: Is that how you say it? I don't know. Tell us how to pronounce this. This city. Ever. Pull. Pull y'all up to watch. [00:47:51] Speaker A: Pull y'all up on over here. Oh, man. [00:47:55] Speaker B: I wonder if this phone number still works. [00:47:57] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:47:58] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:47:58] Speaker A: No cods. [00:48:00] Speaker B: Nope. They don't like. They don't like, uh. They don't like the vitriol that's expressed in the waiting rooms of cod. Johnny, that's, uh. [00:48:09] Speaker A: What? [00:48:10] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:48:12] Speaker A: Delivery. Come on. Come on. Yeah, that spawn tastic apparel is pretty cool. The satin jacket, that's a pretty good price. $50. That's a great deal. [00:48:22] Speaker B: Yeah, that would think would be like $300 today if they made it. Yeah, man, I want it so bad. But, yeah, there we go. An ad for Wizard 33. Got best Batman villain. Come fight me. [00:48:38] Speaker A: Who? [00:48:38] Speaker B: Catwoman. [00:48:39] Speaker A: You gotta say that. You know, this is a podcast, Dave. They can't see you. [00:48:43] Speaker B: What are you talking about, Johnny? Everybody can see everything that I'm seeing all the time. That's. We exist. [00:48:47] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:48:48] Speaker B: We exist in the Matrix. We can all see what everybody else is seeing at all times. All you got to do is imagine it. But no, it's. It's got a big. It's got a big catwoman on it. [00:48:57] Speaker A: Pretty classic Catwoman, too, with the purple jumpsuit. [00:48:59] Speaker B: That video of Michelle Pfeiffer doing the whipping off of the mannequin heads in one shot is making the rounds on the Internet again. And, well, Johnny, it needs to be said. Michelle Pfeiffer, Catwoman, certified bonk. We gotta stamp it and bonk it. [00:49:20] Speaker A: Both. [00:49:21] Speaker B: Both of them. [00:49:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. [00:49:24] Speaker B: When we. We would go skiing with a couple other families, and the cabins we would stay in would always have, like, a. They would have, like, six or seven vhs tapes, but there was always one that we would just, like, somehow would always just end up watching one over and over again. And one time it was Batman returns. We watched Batman returns, like, 17 times over the course of a week. [00:49:47] Speaker A: It's a good movie. [00:49:48] Speaker B: It's a great movie. It's very good. I want to show her my french flipper trick. [00:49:54] Speaker A: Oh, my God. That was their number one son, and they treated me like number two. [00:50:02] Speaker B: Oh, boy. I like that. I don't know if I've mentioned it before, but I like that when the Penguin is dead, he gets, like, the penguin pallbearers that just like. [00:50:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:11] Speaker B: Into the water. [00:50:13] Speaker A: It's fucked up, man. That movie is fucked up. He's, like, leaking bile out of his mouth and shit. Like black goo. I don't know. [00:50:19] Speaker B: I do like his little. His little grocery store car of the Batmobile. [00:50:24] Speaker A: Oh, right. Where he's, like, riding in it. That's hilarious. [00:50:28] Speaker B: That's spawned number 18, Johnny. [00:50:30] Speaker A: There it is. Spawn number 18. [00:50:32] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. It was a good one. [00:50:34] Speaker A: Yeah, it was. It was fun and poignant. Good fight. [00:50:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:40] Speaker A: Good emotions. Good art. Good colors. [00:50:43] Speaker B: Yeah, all good. What more could you want? Well, Johnny, we've firmly established and the break we just had that you can't think of everything all of the time because it'll just make you go crazy. So what do you say we think about one thing completely for a little. [00:51:15] Speaker A: Bit of time as a break from the world, as a break from the world. Let's talk about Gunslinger 28. Let's talk about our friend Carl. [00:51:24] Speaker B: So, Carl, best character ever created for spawn. I want a Carl, a Carl action figure, a Carl miniseries. I want the tv show to be around Carl. In fact, the movie should probably be about Carl too. Yeah. [00:51:39] Speaker A: If Carl doesn't show up with a movie, I'm gonna boycott. Probably. [00:51:41] Speaker B: We're gonna. [00:51:42] Speaker A: Probably just won't see it. [00:51:43] Speaker B: We're gonna send nasty letters to the spawning grounds being like, I saw that new spawn, and Carl wasn't in it. What. What the. What is wrong with you guys? [00:51:50] Speaker A: Carl, he came fast, and he burned quickly. [00:51:55] Speaker B: The. The brightest. The. What is it? The. The brightest stars always burn out quickly. Yeah. Or whatever. [00:52:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:08] Speaker B: Well, let's get out. Let's, uh, before we cover Carl, we gotta cover the covers. Johnny, what cover do you have? [00:52:13] Speaker A: We have to cover the covers. We got. Each got a different cover too. [00:52:17] Speaker B: Oh, dude, I've got cover b by Raymond gay. And it's. It's just gunslinger doing his best scarecrow impression. [00:52:24] Speaker A: Yeah, it was looking like a scarecrow. [00:52:26] Speaker B: Yeah, it was the creepier of the two, which is why I went for it. It's great. It's scary. [00:52:33] Speaker A: Yeah. Mine's just like Gunslinger. It's by Paul Renaud, and it's gunslinger just, like, hunched over, getting ready to shoot with a big skull in the background. [00:52:43] Speaker B: Yeah. So this one's definitely more of the Ty west movie poster. And yours is more like the. The survivor horror video game poster. [00:52:54] Speaker A: Yeah, they both feature classic gunslinger. [00:52:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I mean, they might have been drawn back before Gunslinger got. That's true. [00:53:02] Speaker A: As we learned from the episode a few weeks ago with Mark Spears. They could be drawn all over the place. [00:53:08] Speaker B: Yeah, man, such a cool cover. It's got all those crows in the background. [00:53:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:14] Speaker B: Can you imagine if this was the scarecrow that Pearl molested in that movie? How. How insane that would be. How insane of a crossover that would be. [00:53:25] Speaker A: Pearl and Gunslinger. [00:53:27] Speaker B: The X universe and the gunslinger universe smashed together. Pearl tries. [00:53:32] Speaker A: I can't even think of it. [00:53:32] Speaker B: Pearl tries to throw Javi in the. The pond with that. The alligator. And then there's just an extended sequence of Javi blasting away at this alligator, knifing it. Javi walking by that. That cabin where they're making the. They're making the film, and he's just like, what the fuck is going on in here? What is this shit? What are you doing? [00:53:52] Speaker A: What is happening? [00:53:53] Speaker B: What is. What is that thing you've got there? Cause, you know, he don't know for movies. Cause, you know, every time that Taylor would mention a movie, he would be like, what the fuck are you talking about? [00:54:04] Speaker A: Yeah, he had that time to watch a movie. [00:54:06] Speaker B: Somehow, Taylor had enough time to sit around and play video games, but not to show Javi movies. [00:54:14] Speaker A: I guess not. I guess Javi's always out getting shot and, like, fighting Carl and shit. [00:54:21] Speaker B: So we gotta. We gotta crack into this thing. We gotta. Gotta give credit where credit is due. [00:54:26] Speaker A: Mm hmm. [00:54:27] Speaker B: We got script plat by Todd McFarlane, art by Dexter Soy, who, you know, we learned recently, beat out our buddy Mark Spears for the. For the little WHOOP de foop time here. Color by Ivan Nunez, lettering by the Tom father himself. We already covered the covers. Creative director, Todd McFarlane. Editor in chief, Thomas Healy. [00:54:52] Speaker A: Previously a gunslinger. A man from Gunslinger's past confronts him about the betrayal perpetrated against him. [00:54:59] Speaker B: So, Johnny, you'll notice that gunslingers isn't possessive, which means that Gunslinger's past is like the ghost of Christmas past. So he's a man from Gunslinger's past. So he was a gunslinger a long time ago. So even though it is a typo area, it still works just on a more meta level. He is a gunslinger from the past. [00:55:27] Speaker A: That's true. [00:55:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:29] Speaker A: It works either way, typo or not. [00:55:32] Speaker B: Yeah. Hell, yeah. That's the way you want it to be. [00:55:35] Speaker A: Exactly. And we open our little pet. A little dinosaur. [00:55:39] Speaker B: A little dinosaur. This guy's. This guy's running real quick. He's doing a zoomies. He's got the zoomies, Johnny. [00:55:47] Speaker A: Yeah, he's got the Dino zoomies. We end up where we left off last time, where Carl's about to shoot Gunslinger in the head. [00:55:56] Speaker B: We're talking. The. The narration is talking about how Javi's a loner. He's a loner, pee wee, a rebel. And, you know, the fewer people that he has in his orbit, the better, because all the people around him keep dying. Gunslager really could have used a friend in this century. And it's like, what. What was Taylor? Was Taylor not a friend? [00:56:18] Speaker A: Yeah. Come on. [00:56:19] Speaker B: That. That man would put down his app game for you. Occasionally. [00:56:26] Speaker A: He would. He'd stop eating cheeseburgers and help you out. [00:56:31] Speaker B: What's going on, Carl? What'd they do to you? And Carl says, nothing. They opened my eyes is what they did to the truth. So he's been Brock the shock pilled here. [00:56:41] Speaker A: Yeah, he's red pill. He's. I don't know. Real pilled. I don't know. What you call it? Doom pilled. [00:56:50] Speaker B: Doom pilled. [00:56:52] Speaker A: See, this is why I make fun of Carl, man. Cause it's just so fucking confusing where he's from, what happened to him. [00:56:58] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's. [00:57:00] Speaker A: I mean, just see this story here, it's just like, okay, yeah. [00:57:03] Speaker B: And then, you know, Javi's like, you know what? I'm your friend. I never shot anybody who didn't pull their gun on me first. And they were like. They'd say. You'd say that? And he was like. Cause it's true. What are you ordering to do? You know, what are you gonna. [00:57:17] Speaker A: What are you gonna do? [00:57:18] Speaker B: And, you know, Javi, who is. It's funny that Javi is the person who probably is the most likely one in the world to be like, the world is fucking garbage. It's all bullshit. Is trying to convince Carl that the world isn't all garbage or bullshit. [00:57:34] Speaker A: Right. [00:57:36] Speaker B: But, you know, we cut away to. We see the. The gathering of the wolves, like, as they draw closer to Carl and Javi. [00:57:51] Speaker A: Javi's using his animal friend Carl. [00:57:53] Speaker B: Yeah. And he's making himself open and available to Carl's attack. And I really do like this little panel of Carl just, like, sighting down at Javi with the little red rings around his eye. That's real fun. Oh, yeah, that's real fun. [00:58:12] Speaker A: Pretty badass. [00:58:14] Speaker B: And then also, the height of the hat in the panel right next to it. It's, like, a long distance, but the hat is. [00:58:20] Speaker A: The hat is so big. [00:58:21] Speaker B: That's massive. The hat is massive. It's like. It's. So if we're assuming that Javi is. Let's. Let's assume Javi is. Let's assume he's probably 510. I'd say. Say he's about average. Right? That hat, from this angle, is half the height of Javi, which means that that is a three foot five inch hat. [00:58:43] Speaker A: That is. That is a tall hat. [00:58:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Wait. Shit, no, that would be six, two, two and a half plus five. A two foot eleven inch hat. So almost a three foot tall hat. [00:58:57] Speaker A: Jesus, that's pretty badass trying to do. [00:58:59] Speaker B: Math here, and it's not going well. So then Carl gives his little sob story about, you know, he gets kicked off of pride. He gets the Mufasa treatment. Right? [00:59:15] Speaker A: Yeah, he gets kicked off this. He gets thrown down a cliff. [00:59:17] Speaker B: Yeah. No, no. Rampage. No. Yeah. Rampaging wildebeests to take care of him. So he's just laying broken, wishing for death, and then, you know, he gets turned into the universal. Universal monsters. Invisible man, right. And is told to sit in this room and wait for medical advancements. [00:59:43] Speaker A: So weird. I don't understand this story. [00:59:48] Speaker B: Like, we can't fix you yet, but we'll fix you eventually. And so. But what do they give him to make him last for 200 years? [00:59:54] Speaker A: Johnny they don't really say. [00:59:56] Speaker B: I don't know. It's like, what did they put him in a room that's outside of time and space, and he just sits and watches the world go by. And so he says he sits and waits for them to develop the technology to save him. And it's a little weird on this page, the historical moments they choose to depict to show how long he's been waiting for medicine to save him. Johnny yeah. [01:00:23] Speaker A: Lincoln. [01:00:24] Speaker B: We got old Abe Lincoln. Then we get the Wright brothers. Then we get Ford. [01:00:31] Speaker A: Yeah. The automobile. [01:00:32] Speaker B: Then we get Hitler. Then we get JFK. Then we get the moon. [01:00:38] Speaker A: So that's when technology was good enough to save him, was. By the time the moon came around, I guess. [01:00:42] Speaker B: I guess it's. Johnny, since we have man on the moon and John F. Kennedy here, we get to have fun. Trivia fact, David's favorite presidential quote ever, which is we choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because it is easy, but because it is hard. I just like the implication that John F. Kennedy has already forgotten the things that he's already been talking about and says and the other things. [01:01:14] Speaker A: And the other things. [01:01:15] Speaker B: And that he says decade, decade favorite presidential quote of all time for dumb reasons. But, yeah, so that's, that's where. And then Carl's just like, you know, says that in this time, they filled him in on the, you know, the truth about. About, you know, Javi and the world and all of this stuff, and they just. They just poisoned his mind. Johnny yeah. And Javi says, that's a shame. And the wolves. The wolves are closing in. The wolves are closing in. And Carl, Carl, the greatest defense for somebody who's on the wrong side of something. Don't you patronize me. Patronization is bad, but most of the time, when people say, don't patronize me, they are taking things the wrong way to begin with. So Carl bad, Carl bad. He didn't notice. [01:02:14] Speaker A: And then here's, like, the line of dialogue to bend over backwards to try to make any of this make sense, where he's like, let me ask you then, if you want to kill me, why'd you tell you appreciated my kindness, which is like, fair question. [01:02:26] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:02:27] Speaker A: And he's like, I was trying to get. You confessed. [01:02:31] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, what a. It's just like, what a jerk. Jerk. And luckily, luckily, luckily we don't have to worry anymore about this conversation. Cause the tension is broken by a wolf stepping on a twig. [01:02:47] Speaker A: And everyone goes, what? [01:02:48] Speaker B: And Carl turns around, and then he sees gunslinger's new fiery steed and a pack of wolves just standing there. [01:02:58] Speaker A: That would be pretty scary. [01:03:00] Speaker B: Man, this horse is cool. Yep. [01:03:02] Speaker A: Diablo horse. [01:03:03] Speaker B: Yep. [01:03:03] Speaker A: You gotta pay $20 for it, for DLC. [01:03:06] Speaker B: And how. You know, as the weakest of the hellspawn gunslinger knew. Knew that he couldn't withstand a blast from Carl's bioweapon, an ionic blast from Carl's bioweapon, and as someone with long hair who has recently been trying to find a new hair dryer, an ionic blast from a bio weapon. Sounds like it would dry your hair in an instant, Johnny. [01:03:29] Speaker A: Yeah, dry it right out. [01:03:30] Speaker B: Dry it right out. [01:03:32] Speaker A: Get one of those. [01:03:33] Speaker B: Talk about a blowout. It would literally just, like, blow you back, man. And then, you know, Javi was apparently, you know, just stalling for time. He knew. He knew the animals would show up. He knew. He knew. Johnny. [01:03:48] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, it's his. [01:03:49] Speaker B: It's his animals ex machina. Right? [01:03:56] Speaker A: He hasn't used him in a while. Yeah, but it's been a minute. He used to use them pretty often in the early days. [01:04:01] Speaker B: I wonder. I wonder if he's feeling a little guilty about using them so much, like, because he puts them in danger and obviously he heard about them. [01:04:08] Speaker A: Get rid of the human skin on the book. And he said, well, maybe I shouldn't use animals for warfare. [01:04:14] Speaker B: Either that. Either that, or he learned about World War One and all of the horses that died in the fucking trench warfare and was just like, wow, I don't. [01:04:22] Speaker A: Want it to be like that. [01:04:23] Speaker B: Oh, boy. And then, you know, he has to. Javi has to do something that he doesn't want to, and he's got to pull. Pull heaven power from those wings that he has inside of him and the. [01:04:35] Speaker A: Depths of his soul. [01:04:37] Speaker B: Yeah. And then we get. [01:04:39] Speaker A: He sprouts his wings. Pretty badass. [01:04:42] Speaker B: We. We need to get the hobby. Hobby with the wings. Action figure, Johnny. We need. We needs it. [01:04:50] Speaker A: They got the spawn with the wings coming out. [01:04:52] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah. The statue. [01:04:54] Speaker A: Those have been shipping, those remastered 30th anniversary ones or whatever. [01:04:59] Speaker B: No, I'm not kind of sad that I didn't get one, but, yeah, I got two of them. [01:05:03] Speaker A: I got the animated. [01:05:04] Speaker B: I'm happy with the ones I chose, but me too. It was one of the ones where it was all of them, but one of them were one that I would have really wanted to have. And it's just like, I can't spend that much money on toys right now. Now. [01:05:18] Speaker A: Yeah. I was the exact same way. So I picked the animated spawn and the hell spawn one. [01:05:24] Speaker B: I picked the animated spawn and the original spawn and the Todd McFarlane. [01:05:29] Speaker A: Yeah, that'll be good. [01:05:30] Speaker B: It'll be real fun. This page devolves into, like, cartoon cartoons very quickly. Johnny, I know the wolf. It looks like wily Coyote, realizing that there's no longer any road below him. [01:05:49] Speaker A: Yeah. Carl picks up this wolf, and then, like, the wolf looks like, ow. He turns into, like, a cartoon character. Yeah, he looks sad. [01:05:59] Speaker B: Poor wolf. At first, I thought that the lines around it meant that he just snapped this wolf's neck right here. But since he's threatening to do that, that we. [01:06:10] Speaker A: Now that's what it looked like, too. I was like, oh, shit, did he? But I think it's just like, the wolf turning around, being like, hello, hello, please save me. [01:06:17] Speaker B: Then we get the pundits and we get a return of some Jason Sean Alexander artwork there, which is real fun. [01:06:24] Speaker A: Yeah, you get the swan from the interviews up in the little corner. [01:06:28] Speaker B: Yeah. We get the Carlo Barberry in the back of the other two. After having just recently seen the new version of the info now guy. [01:06:38] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, he's hilarious. [01:06:41] Speaker B: I guess spoilers for an issue that just came out. The info now guy has decided to grow a fu manchu. He doesn't have the fu Manchu here yet, but it's coming. [01:06:50] Speaker A: It's coming, it's coming. Hey, you gotta switch up the fashion every once in a while. [01:06:57] Speaker B: Yeah. Then, you know, Brock the shot. Just Brock the shocking around, talking about super jerks, tight costume, tyranny. Yeah, you know, just, you know, doing the things. Doing the things that Brock the shark does. These are the things that Brock the shucks do. Then we. We cut to elsewhere where, you know, we were just talking about how Javi was bemoaning the fact that he didn't. [01:07:24] Speaker A: Have a friend in the modern times. He's got two. [01:07:26] Speaker B: He's got two. He's got Wyah. And Taylor. And, you know, Taylor's here being, like, being like, the drunk guy who's like, I'm good to go. I'm just. [01:07:36] Speaker A: I'm gonna leave. Once I stand up in this chair, I'm out of here. [01:07:39] Speaker B: Yeah. He can't even stand up. So ya is being very, very patient as a caretaker. Cause Taylor. Taylor's not the best. Not the best patient. [01:07:54] Speaker A: No, not at all. Yeah, he just tells him he more rest. [01:07:59] Speaker B: Yes, indeed, indeed, indeed. [01:08:01] Speaker A: And the Javi chooses to walk alone, so there's nothing they can do for him at the moment. [01:08:05] Speaker B: Yeah, except for get better. And then. Yep. And then we cut back to the argument between Carl and Javi. With a wave of his hand, Javi sends the other wolves away. And then he's like, I need to. I need to get that wolf out of Carl's hands. And so he distracts him with hell horse, and then as the hell horse attacks and Carl lets go the wolf, Javi flies. Flies the atmosphere. Look how high he gets. [01:08:36] Speaker A: Super high. Oh, my God. It's like taking off in a plane. [01:08:39] Speaker B: Ascends until he's about to pass out. Johnny. And then. And then. I love the. The action lines of falling back to the earth here. And he just like. Fucking meteorites right into Carl. Yeah. [01:08:52] Speaker A: Kaboom. [01:08:53] Speaker B: Oh, boy. And, you know. Goodbye, Carl. [01:08:59] Speaker A: Yeah, bye, Carl. That's. That's what you said. I texted you. We got more Carl this issue. Text me back. Goodbye, Carl. [01:09:06] Speaker B: Oh, boy. I wonder, you know, Carl could come back because conceivably Javi could have meteorited him into hell. Directly straight on down. Yeah, just right down there. Yeah. [01:09:21] Speaker A: I don't know, Carl. I don't know. Fuck Carl. [01:09:23] Speaker B: Yeah, Carl. Carl's a piece. I have a feeling of Carl's probably gonna come back at some point, especially with the deadly tales, but. [01:09:30] Speaker A: Yeah, I bet it'll be the deadly tales, hopefully. That'd be good. [01:09:34] Speaker B: You can. You can keep Carl's, but that's my secret. [01:09:37] Speaker A: But he's gotta expand some more out of. His story's just confusing. And his whole allegiances are confusing. And also, this was like. [01:09:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know. [01:09:45] Speaker A: I'll get to it in the review. [01:09:46] Speaker B: Okay. And then, you know. So Javi's coming out of the smoke, and he finds his hell horse. Sorry to spook you like that. And then he rides off into the sunset. I like how it's gone immediately from lush forest to fucking road runner. Roadrunner, Wily Coyote, desert Johnny. [01:10:10] Speaker A: Yep, just a few steps away. [01:10:12] Speaker B: Look at that fucking Joshua tree there with the. Yeah, with a. With a classic desert. And it rides off into the sunset. [01:10:22] Speaker A: And then we get the tease for Spawn 350. The final battle for the throne ends next issue. The fallout from that battle impacts everyone. [01:10:30] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a necroplasm meter here, a 1193. And we get spawning grounds, another mailbag the twelve year old named Sam who likes gunslinger Spawn and likes doing art and so sends in a gunslinger spawn art and it's pretty fucking dope. Look at that. [01:10:49] Speaker A: Yeah, pretty sweet. This is all good fan art here. [01:10:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, we get a, we get another, another jet. Another jet submission. I think Jet and Sam need to get together and work on a project collaboration. Yeah, collab. True. Good. And then there's another Jake. Jake also decides to do a gunslinger fan art. And it's the, the classic going into a saloon. So he's kicking open the saloon doors. The, the bathroom in my childhood home Johnny had. So it was, it was long, and between the sink where the sink was, and then where the, like the shower and the toilet were, it had those saloon doors. [01:11:33] Speaker A: I can't tell really. [01:11:34] Speaker B: I can't tell you how many times as a child I played the kicking my way into a saloon with those. And I'm pretty sure it made my parents very, very annoyed, probably. [01:11:46] Speaker A: That's funny though. That's awesome. [01:11:47] Speaker B: I would do lots of stupid shit in that bathroom when I was supposed to be taking a bath. Like, my dad would be like, you gotta go take a bath. And I'd be like, okay. And then I would just like play around in the bathroom for an hour and then take like a three minute bath and then be done with it. But like, I would tie my parents belts around my waist and then tie the other end to the towel rack and then jump off the counter thinking I was bungee jumping. [01:12:17] Speaker A: What the hell? You're crazy. [01:12:21] Speaker B: I would spend a lot of time using the hairdryer, pretending I was fighting people like I was in a war. Yeah, I hated taking a bath, but I loved playing in the bathroom for some reason. [01:12:32] Speaker A: Love messing around in the bathroom. That's fine. [01:12:34] Speaker B: I spent a lot of time when I was small enough. I would jump in the clothes hanging and just like hang around in the dirty clothes. What a johnny. Kids is weird. [01:12:45] Speaker A: Kids are crazy. [01:12:46] Speaker B: Kids are crazy. Anymore. Sponge universe Johnny, always. Nice. Nice, nice. Yes, good, nice. Little slate of issues coming out in February. [01:13:00] Speaker A: Yes. [01:13:01] Speaker B: They got that monstrous ad. Got the ad for page punches on the back. That's our toy adjustment. And that's gunslinger number 28, Johnny. [01:13:11] Speaker A: That's 28. Goodbye, Carl. [01:13:14] Speaker B: Goodbye, Carl. Goodbye, Carl. It's been nice. [01:13:19] Speaker A: Well, there were some, there were some wolves in this issue. And like, that one panel, he kind of looked like a puppy. [01:13:23] Speaker B: Yeah, he did. He sure did. [01:13:25] Speaker A: When he was looking like a cartoon wolf. So that means it's time to rate the puppies and first up, we had spawn number 18, the end of the Grant Morrison Greg Capullo reflections art. [01:13:41] Speaker B: Yes, indeed. [01:13:43] Speaker A: And I really liked this issue. I loved how it's kind of a two halves. You get the fight, the culmination of the fight, which is epic. And just like, I love the imagery of, like, the leaking of the heaven power as he's dying. Such as a great death for the anti spawn. [01:14:04] Speaker B: Well, not a death, but a setback. [01:14:07] Speaker A: Setback. What is his death at that moment? I mean, you know, he's not dead. [01:14:10] Speaker B: Cause he gets. He gets more elemental fire, Johnny. [01:14:13] Speaker A: I know. [01:14:14] Speaker B: Cause that's, as we all know, the best way to fix something is to just throw more of whatever broke it at it. [01:14:21] Speaker A: Throw more fire at it. [01:14:23] Speaker B: This house is on fire. Throw more fire at it. [01:14:26] Speaker A: For the second part, where spawn goes and destroys Simmonsville and takes that memory and gives it to Wanda. It's a nice little touching moment, but, yeah, I really had a good time with this issue. Like I said, fights are great. And then, like, it got me a little emotional at the end. So, I mean, he's probably the first time spawn got me to tear up a little bit. So that means it's a successful little arc. Successful issue. I really did enjoy the grant, the Grant Morrison arc here. They did a great job of, I don't know, keeping that spawn flavor, but, like, broadening the world and introducing some new elements, which is cool, but, yeah, loved it. Reflections as a miniseries or as a arc is great. This is a great ending to it all. I'm going to give it five boards with a nail through it. The favorite weapon of the alley. [01:15:26] Speaker B: That's a great. That's a great score. That's a great score. I agree with you. I agree with you. I had an issue with this issue simply because it's closing this small arc we have, and it just seems like there could be so much more. So it feels to me kind of like it closes a little sooner than it really. Absolutely. [01:15:48] Speaker A: That's true. Especially with the Simmonsville. It feels like that could be something you. Mine for a. [01:15:52] Speaker B: So, I know, I know I mentioned before we were recording that I find it strangely forgettable. Not that it's not good, but compared to the other two, it's just kind of like a quick little wrap up instead of. It could build more on, because the other two issues were just all building. All building. And then this just kind of ties up quite nicely. I mean, there's emotion throughout this whole thing that's this show. This throws into sharp contrast the strengths of Todd McFarlane as a writer and the strengths of everyone else as a writer and how, you know, Todd father gets a story across well, but he doesn't. There's just. There's just, you know, he's just missing a little. A little spark, if you will, but, yeah, fucking great. Grant. Grant Morrison and Greg Capullo. Just a killer team. A killer team. Let's bring them back. Let's have a mini series with both of them. It's real good. I am going to give this. Four and a half chunks of wet meat, Johnny. [01:17:07] Speaker A: Chunks of wet meat. [01:17:08] Speaker B: Chunks of wet meat. The chunks. The flying chunks of wet meat that used to be men, Johnny, from when Dipper didn't watch his buddies. Four and a half chunks of wet meat. It's. It's a good. It's good. It's just good. It's fun. It's excellent. There's a lot of things that, even though it is like a quick tying up, like I mentioned, there are a lot of things that it could be like, we can go with this, we can go with this, we can go with this, we can go with this. It's kind of like Grant Morrison. It was like, dear Todd McFarlane, I have opened the spawn buffet. Please help yourself to whatever you would like. [01:17:45] Speaker A: Exactly. [01:17:46] Speaker B: And I'm excited to see what all gets played with when and if you know anybody like Rory McConville, who's a continuity hound, comes on and decides to pick at these things that nobody's messed with for a while, it'll be fun to see. [01:18:04] Speaker A: Now then we had Gunslinger 28. Sure did a Carl issue. [01:18:08] Speaker B: Carl. [01:18:08] Speaker A: Final Carl. [01:18:10] Speaker B: It's the final Carl. Butter. [01:18:17] Speaker A: At least for now. I don't know. Like, it's just. I hate to be so negative on it, but the whole Carl arc, it just was, like, confusing and I understand it was like in between waiting, kind of spinning the wheels for the next artist for 350 to happen. And it seems like after 350, there definitely is much more of a compelling story as opposed to just like a fight in the woods. [01:18:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Ohlinder. [01:18:43] Speaker A: What? [01:18:44] Speaker B: Olinder in the new. [01:18:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:18:46] Speaker B: Oldlander. [01:18:47] Speaker A: I don't know. It's just very samey to some other fights. Carl's origin story and motivations are just kind of really fuzzy. [01:18:55] Speaker B: Yeah, it's kind of like aliens versus predator there where it's people. People were written into being just to be killed by an alien. [01:19:05] Speaker A: Yeah, I do like the imagery with the wings. I like the wings come back, but that's probably about it. [01:19:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:19:12] Speaker A: I mean, that's not the only thing I like, but that's, like, my favorite part of the issue, definitely. So I'm gonna give it two winged gunslingers. [01:19:22] Speaker B: The best part about this issue is the art. Dexter soy. [01:19:26] Speaker A: Oh, absolutely. [01:19:27] Speaker B: Dexter soy. Very good. This is. This is kind of like. This is kind of like the Toddfathers version of the quick Grant Morrison arc that we had. And it throws into contrast that the differences between their writing styles. Grant Morrison is much, much more proficient at being able to squeeze a lot of good, juicy bits into a quick three issue arc, whereas the toddfather just kind of makes an extended waiting room scene. It's just kind of. Not much happens, understandably, because of where everything is. I'm going to give it two and a half invisible min, Johnny. Okay. [01:20:15] Speaker A: It's invisible, carls. [01:20:16] Speaker B: It's necessary to kind of bridge the gap between where it was and then where it'll be after 350 just to sort of keep the story going. But, I mean, if we're ever gonna get to the point where we're telling people what they can skip to get, like, here's a reading map. If you don't want to read every issue of spawn, here are the ones that you gotta read for gunslinger. I'm definitely gonna say just skip the Carl bits. [01:20:44] Speaker A: Skip the carls. Flipsy Carl, flip through. [01:20:48] Speaker B: Look at the Dexter soy art. It's pretty dope, but, man, just move on. [01:20:54] Speaker A: Yeah. And he does. So there you go. [01:20:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:20:57] Speaker A: Speaking of moving on, we got a mosey on over to instagram and give a shout out to one of our friends. [01:21:04] Speaker B: Hell yeah. Sure do. I like doing this, Johnny. [01:21:07] Speaker A: What? [01:21:08] Speaker B: Said, I like doing this part. [01:21:10] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, that's always fun. [01:21:11] Speaker B: Cuz I like friends. [01:21:12] Speaker A: We have friends, like, looking at people's instagram. So we've got today we're going to be highlighting a good account that I think is pretty new. [01:21:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I think so. They. They don't have too terribly many posts yet. [01:21:24] Speaker A: Yeah, they popped up, like, yeah, in the last month or so. [01:21:28] Speaker B: Nice. [01:21:28] Speaker A: But, um, it's Lord Spawn 666. They got a badass, like, I don't know, like, fucking name thing that says Lord Spawn 666 or Spawn collector. They've got a lot of sketches that they did. They've got some toys. Pretty cool stuff. [01:21:45] Speaker B: Sorry, I get distracted by the search screen of our instagram. Johnny, that's just all people in swimsuits. What the hell is that? I don't know. I think they've heard us use the bonk on the show, and they're like, oh, you want bonk? Let me. Let me show you bonk. [01:22:02] Speaker A: Mine's like, halfway bonk, but, yeah, he's got. [01:22:05] Speaker B: He's got that Jessica Priest figure. There's pretty cool one. He's got. What is this, Angela? Number one. That is awesome. Wizard trading cards, Johnny. He's got the wizard trading cards. [01:22:17] Speaker A: Pretty cool. [01:22:18] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. Yeah. Lord Spawn. Yeah. [01:22:20] Speaker A: Give them a follow, please. [01:22:22] Speaker B: They got some cool shit. Look at that. Look at that spawn mask they got. They got a spawn mask. Well, also, while you're over on Instagram, don't forget to stop by Brian. Brian Voyles, 27. He does our music, and it's great. And I love listening to Brian's music that he's done for us. [01:22:36] Speaker A: While you're on there, also, give us some love. We are regarding spawnpod. At Instagram or on Instagram? We're throwing up episode announcements. We're throwing up all that kinds of good stuff. We're throwing up all over Instagram. [01:22:51] Speaker B: Throwing up all over Instagram. We will. We will have thrown up a lot of c two e two stuff by the time you're hearing this. [01:22:58] Speaker A: So we'll have done c two e, two already. [01:23:00] Speaker B: Be sure to see our convention vomit. [01:23:02] Speaker A: Please check it out. [01:23:05] Speaker B: We will probably be Instagram silent for, like, a week and a half afterwards because we were probably very tired. But for those couple of days, there's gonna be a ton of stuff. [01:23:16] Speaker A: It's gonna be all over. [01:23:18] Speaker B: All over for. [01:23:20] Speaker A: And then if you wanna all over, send us an email, please do it. Regardingspawnpodmail.com. And every week, I like to ask a question, a prompt to get you going. I just wonder what you think of Carl. Are you. Are there Carl fans out there? Am I mistaken? If you like. I love the Carl arc. Hit me up. Hit us up and tell us what you loved about it. I want to know. [01:23:42] Speaker B: It would be great if this is what gets Todd McFarlane to respond to us. And he says, carl is the greatest creation ever. [01:23:49] Speaker A: Carl's my favorite goddamn character. That always reminds me of the episode one panel I went to at Star wars celebration, where they had a little, at the end of it, they had a little pre recorded message from George Lucas. [01:23:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:59] Speaker A: And he went, Star Wars Episode one is my favorite movie, and Jar Jar Binks is my favorite character. [01:24:06] Speaker B: Yeah, it's great. I mean, I know we've already discussed it, but I love. I love Jar Jar Binks. [01:24:12] Speaker A: I know, but I don't. We don't love Carl, but maybe you do. So hit me up if you like Carl? If you like the Carl arc. Curious to hear what you thought of it, Johnny. [01:24:20] Speaker B: Here's what I think of Carl. I'd rather have Carl's junior. [01:24:24] Speaker A: Hey, Carl's junior. Gonna get a superstar? [01:24:27] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. If it doesn't get all over the place, it doesn't belong. In your face, Johnny. [01:24:31] Speaker A: And speaking of superstars, be sure to tune in next week when we do our super Star wars episode. That's right, it's our second annual restar wars episode, and this time we're doing the second episode of Star Wars. Star Wars Episode two, Attack of the Clones, that I'll be releasing next Saturday on Star Wars Day as of this release. [01:24:50] Speaker B: Release. [01:24:51] Speaker A: So keep an eye out for that. And may the scorched be with you and the Force and the scorched together in one episode of regarding Star wars. Our very special special for Star Wars Day coming at you next week from regarding spawn. [01:25:06] Speaker B: But in the meantime, don't forget to like us. Subscribe to us. Tell your friends and family about us, tell your coworkers about us, rate us, review us. Don't forget that if you send your email to us, or if you send your address to us in an email, we'll send you a sticker. And then, you know, we'll probably send you two. So you can have one for Proster. Prosterity. For posterity. Uh, and then you have one for your prostate. That's a real nice. That's a real nice way of saying it, Joey. And then you can have another one to just slap up around town. You know, that's, that's, that's pretty good. That's what I like to do. It's real fun. It's real fun. [01:25:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:25:45] Speaker B: You know, I hope you guys enjoyed reading the spawn stuff as much as we enjoyed reading it. And Grant Morrison, good spawn writer, let's get him back on it. [01:25:54] Speaker A: Good spawn guy. [01:25:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I think, you know, I think it just leaves me, Johnny, with nothing else to say. But may the scorch be with you. [01:26:07] Speaker A: And also with you, David. [01:26:09] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [01:26:10] Speaker A: Hell yeah. [01:26:11] Speaker B: I was trying to figure out, now. [01:26:13] Speaker A: That Carl's done, I'm going to take this issue and I'm going to bury it outside in honor of Carl. [01:26:19] Speaker B: Do you mean, don't you. You're not going to wrap it in bandages and leave it in a room for 200 years until the technology to recover it? [01:26:26] Speaker A: I'll do that. 1st. 1st I'll throw it off a cliff, wrap it in bandages, leave it in a room till technology gets up so that I can bury it and say rip. [01:26:34] Speaker B: Carl, what do you think the six historical events that will be required to occur need to happen in order for that to be redeemed? [01:26:43] Speaker A: JoHnny probably just one world war three. [01:26:45] Speaker B: And then that would be it. What, you mean an extinction of basically all paper products will increase Carl's value? [01:26:54] Speaker A: Yeah, it all burns. [01:26:57] Speaker B: Can you imagine if in 100, 100,050 years time and all they can find of our, of our modern age is issue gunslinger issue number 28? [01:27:10] Speaker A: And they're like, what the hell is this? [01:27:11] Speaker B: CARL although they somehow found that somebody bound it in human skin. And so there's the human skin gunslinger 28 with Carl, and they're like, I wonder if this is Carl's skin. [01:27:24] Speaker A: And then 100 years later they'll realize it's bad. [01:27:26] Speaker B: Yeah, bury it. And then they'll bury it again. And then the cycle will repeat itself. [01:27:30] Speaker A: Johnny everything ends up buried. [01:27:32] Speaker B: Yep. Well, Johnny, I think you need to go bury this in Carl's bed cavern. [01:27:38] Speaker A: All right? That's where I'm going. I'll see you there. [01:27:44] Speaker B: Send a postcard.