Episode 89 - Spawn 21 and King Spawn 30!

[00:00:00] Speaker A: God, listen to me. Blubbered like a two year old. What I'm trying to say is that you're okay. You need to find your answers. Do it. Just don't lose sight of what you already have, which is us. Good evening and welcome to the Mal bulge. This is regarding Spawn, the world's best spawn podcast. I am your co host, John Fisher. [00:00:55] Speaker B: And I am your co host, David Williams. And it's Johnny. I'm going to give you a second. You probably need to start typing up an apology email and also maybe start texting Bran or Logan to be, like, in the market for a new co host, because I am tired of the lies, Johnny. [00:01:13] Speaker A: What? [00:01:13] Speaker B: I am tired of the mistruths. I am tired of the continual misinformation of Johnny. You can use some soap on your cast iron skillet. Wash your cast iron skillet with soap. Ah, if the soap. Cleaning your cast iron skillet with soap is ruining the seasoning, you done fucked up the seasoning. [00:01:35] Speaker A: And oh, damn. [00:01:36] Speaker B: Also, if you have a stainless steel pot in pa or pan or a nonstick pan, and you say you've seasoned it, that just means you ain't cleaned it. Clean that. Clean that skillet. It's just dirty. [00:01:49] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:01:50] Speaker B: It's just dirty. Seasoning really has very little to do with, with flavor in the pan. It's literally taking fat, cooking it to the point where it changes its chemical confirmation and fills in the hole of all of those iron bits. It's literally just, ah, any flavor that you have in that is gonna have to be cooked out because that's how hot it has to get. Wash your cast iron skillet with soap. You did it wrong. Use high smoke temp, high smoke temperature oil, like coconut oil or peanut oil or shortening. You know, lard. Don't use butter. Don't use olive oil. And you cook that motherfucker for like at 30 to 45 minutes at like 520 degrees. As hot as your oven will go. That's do it like three times and then you'll be fine. Clean it with soap and water skillets. Dirty all of them. Clean your skillets. [00:02:55] Speaker A: Sounds like it. What inspired this rant? [00:02:58] Speaker B: This, this is, this has been a long simmering rant. [00:03:01] Speaker A: Oh, wow. Okay. Do you have, like, a list? [00:03:03] Speaker B: Every time a cast iron skillet comes up in a piece of media, there is the, oh, you put soap on it. No, like, don't soak it. Don't put it through the dishwasher. But yes, please use soap on your cast iron skillet. You do not want to be. You don't eat off of dirty plates, right? No, you don't eat with a dirty fork. You're gonna use soap on that fork. Use soap on your skillets. Geez Louise. You should be washing this shit. [00:03:31] Speaker A: Okay, okay. Rant over. [00:03:34] Speaker B: I will. I will gracefully bow out, but. [00:03:38] Speaker A: All right, I'll just talk some spawn by myself. [00:03:40] Speaker B: Then we'll have to put a filter on the emails to take away anything from r cast iron, and I'll just. [00:03:49] Speaker A: Put a filter to take out away anything from Reddit. [00:03:53] Speaker B: Probably should. Although then we wouldn't get any emails, Johnny. [00:03:56] Speaker A: Oh, no, we do. [00:03:56] Speaker B: We do. [00:03:57] Speaker A: We got an email. We just got invited. [00:03:58] Speaker B: Another pod? [00:03:59] Speaker A: What are you talking about? [00:04:01] Speaker B: Yeah, but it was buried between, like, a burrito Reddit thing and something about Trump. [00:04:08] Speaker A: Something about Trump. He just closes his beautiful blue eyes and takes a nap. There's a great, I guess it's not a tweet. It's a truth social post. I don't know what you call those. A truth. You don't have a truth social account, David? [00:04:22] Speaker B: Uh, no. Oh, wow. [00:04:24] Speaker A: Shocking. [00:04:25] Speaker B: Should I. [00:04:26] Speaker A: No, I don't think so. [00:04:30] Speaker B: I bet the, I bet the truth social people would have something to say about my. You could use soap on cast iron. [00:04:35] Speaker A: Probably. They probably call it fake news. [00:04:39] Speaker B: Probably. [00:04:40] Speaker A: But Trump tweeted out, sometimes I'm not falling asleep. I just like to close my beautiful blue eyes and listen and soak it all in. And I was like, I tried that excuse in high school, man. It doesn't work. I'm just listening. I'm just listening really intently. That's what I say when I fall asleep, like watching a movie late at night. [00:04:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I can't use that excuse now, because everybody who knows me knows that I have to be fiddling with something in order to be actually paying attention. So if I'm sitting very still, I'm definitely not paying attention. I'm off on. I'm off on, like, you know, an airplane that's flying through the Bermuda triangle or something. Just. [00:05:20] Speaker A: Or you could say you're maybe off in an alley somewhere. [00:05:23] Speaker B: Yeah, or. Or I'm in my favorite place in the world, Johnny. The new you. The spawn you. [00:05:29] Speaker A: The spawn you. Spawn you. It's not sponuary. It's just the spawn you. The Spawns universe. [00:05:35] Speaker B: I mean, every month is sponuary in Spawns universe, Johnny. [00:05:40] Speaker A: Yeah. And we're taking you to Spawn University on this show because we are regarding Spawn, where each week we bring you two issues from Spawn's universe. Except when we don't. This week, we are doing two issues. We've got a classic and a more modern. Our classic. We've been going through the early stuff, so we've got Spawn 21. And you may say, if you've been following along, wait, you guys didn't COVID 19 and 20 yet? Well, we'll get to it. [00:06:06] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll get to it. [00:06:07] Speaker A: It's in the spawning grounds. [00:06:09] Speaker B: We did it intentionally. [00:06:10] Speaker A: We did it intentionally. It wasn't on accident or because of some other reason. [00:06:16] Speaker B: Perfect. [00:06:17] Speaker A: But, yeah. So, yeah, spawn 21 all the way back from the far off land of May 1994. And then we have King Swan 30 is our more modern issue. These are both McFarland joints riding anyway. And this is ones from February 2024, just a few months ago. It seems like a long time ago. [00:06:42] Speaker B: Oh. Oh, geez. It feels, Johnny it kind of feels like we have been walking through the random landscapes of hell, and just time is all time and no time. [00:06:54] Speaker A: And I mean, modern living in modern America, we kind of are randomly walking through the landscape of hell. But hey, hey, you know what? What are you gonna do? [00:07:02] Speaker B: I mean, that's. That's the satanic panic they should have worried about instead of fucking dungeons and dragons. Christ. [00:07:09] Speaker A: Chuckles. [00:07:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:13] Speaker A: Yeah. So those are our two issues. Spawn 21, Kingspawn 30. [00:07:18] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah. [00:07:19] Speaker A: Both of them have. Have Al Simmons asking questions and yearning. [00:07:26] Speaker B: There's. There's a lot of. What does Al Simmons want? This is what an owl wants, what an owl needs, what makes an owl happy and sets him free. And we're thanking Todd for knowing exactly what an owl wants. Jody that's what he does. [00:07:45] Speaker A: He does better than any of us. [00:07:47] Speaker B: He does. Or does he? Maybe all these. Maybe. Maybe he's legitimately asking these questions, and he's hoping somebody. [00:07:54] Speaker A: Someone will answer him. [00:07:57] Speaker B: It hasn't been publicized, but that's the spawn, for over 30 years, has just been an experiment of a creative, asking people what their character should do and not enough people being like, he should do this. [00:08:11] Speaker A: What he should do is start talking about this issue, though. [00:08:14] Speaker B: Yeah, probably should. [00:08:16] Speaker A: And we always start with the covers. This is king swan 21. Pretty awesome. Badass. Like, it's, like, all white except for, like, a little bit of, like, it's like, swans, like, peeking through this doorway. [00:08:28] Speaker B: So does this mean you have the physical copy there, Johnny I do have the physical copy. Oh, nice. I didn't know what the physical copy looked like. Cause I am reading in the spawn's origin collection. [00:08:41] Speaker A: Spawn origins. Now I've got a physical floppy copy, baby. I got it at c two e two floppy copy couple two weeks ago. [00:08:49] Speaker B: So you want to know something fun, Johnny? The COVID art for the particular trade paperback that this issue appears in is the COVID art for issue number 21. [00:09:01] Speaker A: Oh, okay. The one where we got a little. [00:09:03] Speaker B: Yeah, with this little. He's got his hand, like, ha. Yeah, he's going. And his cape's going. Whoop. [00:09:12] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it's pretty badass. It's cool and minimalist. [00:09:15] Speaker B: It's got that fun little spiral that makes it looks kind of like it was Tim Burton inspired like that. Like that hill in the graveyard and Halloween town a little bit. [00:09:27] Speaker A: I just like these early spawn covers that are just different, like, paintings. Like, just, like, not paintings, but, like, different versions of, like, cool. Just spawn. I mean, you know, just, like, really well done, random poses of spawn. I mean, that's what all covers are. But this, these early ones are really cool. I mean, Todd McFarlane, good artists. [00:09:46] Speaker B: So Todd McFarlane did the COVID for that issue, Johnny. So I was mistaken. The COVID art for the trade paperback is Greg Capullo's recreation of this Todd McFarlane cover. That's why you were maybe a little confused when I was talking about the spiral. Yeah. [00:10:04] Speaker A: So it's like, um, hmm. I can see. I kept just saying maybe. [00:10:09] Speaker B: So, yeah, yeah. It's just, just different enough. Uh, because on the trade paperback, Spawn's looking straight on, but on the issue, spawn is looking a little scant. [00:10:19] Speaker A: Okay, so it's. It's after McFarlane. [00:10:22] Speaker B: Yeah. So on the, the issue itself, spawns, like, looking at his hand, but on the trade paperback, spawns looking at you beyond his hand. [00:10:30] Speaker A: He's looking at you. [00:10:32] Speaker B: He's looking. He's so on the, on the issue cover, Spawn is super high. [00:10:36] Speaker A: He's like, whoa, hey, my hands super cool. [00:10:40] Speaker B: They call him fingers, but I've never seen him fing. Oh, there they go. That's a super cool cover, Johnny. But you know what else is super cool and that I don't have access to? [00:10:50] Speaker A: Probably the credits. [00:10:51] Speaker B: Probably the credits on the inside of that bad boy. [00:10:54] Speaker A: So you open it up, and it's the hunt. Part one is the name of this issue. Story and art by Todd McFarlane. Inks by Mark Pennington. Copy editor and letter is Tom Wojciechowski. Color is Steve Olaf and only optics dedicated to Mike Grell. [00:11:11] Speaker B: Ooh, Mike Grell with all the letters about, why did you cancel Shaman's tears? It's justice for Shaman's tears in the spawning grounds. I wonder if that's what prompted the. The dedication there. [00:11:27] Speaker A: Is he the one that created that? [00:11:29] Speaker B: Yes. Yes. He also, most people like, his most famous thing is he did, like, basically all of the eighties Green Arrow. He both wrote and drew it, and it's some of the best. Green Arrow, like the longbow hunters, the dragon lady, all of that stuff. It's real good shit. [00:11:50] Speaker A: Okay, so, yeah, it's dedicated to Mike Grell. [00:11:53] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:11:54] Speaker A: Cool, dude. Those are your credits there. [00:11:57] Speaker B: Yeah. He's 76 years old, Johnny. [00:12:00] Speaker A: Damn. [00:12:00] Speaker B: 76 years led the big parade. So is there a previous Leon that you need to. [00:12:06] Speaker A: No. Previously on the older ones. They don't have those. [00:12:09] Speaker B: Sad. It's a sad world we live in, Johnny, when there's no previous Leon. [00:12:13] Speaker A: It's okay. You just gotta figure it out yourself. But what is. Previously on were issues 19 and 20, which we didn't cover. [00:12:21] Speaker B: Nope, not yet. [00:12:22] Speaker A: Skipped over, you may have noticed. But that is. There's two reasons for that. One is, for some reason, at least I'm sure there's someone knows the real reason out there. So please write us regardingswomanpotmail.com if you know the answer. But it says. It says in the spawning grounds, you do not miss issue 19 or 20. At this point, these two issues do not exist. They're both coming out in the summertime and will fit in the continuity between issues 18 and 21. The reason for skipping those issues deal with some politics or business that would bore you if I got into the details. So there you go. [00:12:57] Speaker B: You know, Johnny, you know who probably would have known Thomas healy, mother or. Or the Tom father himself? Good old Tom O. Oh, he would have known. He was a captive audience. We could have just sat there and bothered him for. [00:13:10] Speaker A: We didn't know. We didn't even know the question to ask. [00:13:14] Speaker B: That's no excuse, Johnny. We're supposed to know everything. How can we be spawn podcasters if we don't know? Everything's fine. [00:13:21] Speaker A: Yeah. If we would have worked harder, we would've recorded this episode earlier. [00:13:24] Speaker B: They're going to take away our podcast license, Johnny, these guys don't know enough to have a podcast. [00:13:31] Speaker A: No. Yeah, we need to. If we were just lazy, lazy, we would have done this. We recorded this episode before comic Con, and we would have known to ask tom wardkowski about issues 19 to 20 being. [00:13:41] Speaker B: I mean. I mean, the fact that we didn't know Tom orzakowski was going to be there until we stumbled across him, and we're like, oh, hey, look at this guy. [00:13:49] Speaker A: Hey, look, look who it is. [00:13:54] Speaker B: Oh, I love it when. I love it when you don't, when you're not prepared for the world, and it just kind of happens. Some of the best shit happens that way, Johnny. [00:14:03] Speaker A: I can. [00:14:04] Speaker B: I like to over prepare, but sometimes not prepared pairings. The best preparation. [00:14:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Just kind of go in with the flow and see what happens. [00:14:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:12] Speaker A: Well, let's flow on into this issue, then, and pop it open. [00:14:14] Speaker B: Yep. [00:14:15] Speaker A: And we got. [00:14:16] Speaker B: It starts. Navi. Navi has popped into the spawns universe from the ocarina of time and is like, hey, hey, hey, hey. That's how this issue starts, Joni. [00:14:28] Speaker A: Yeah. You'd think that, but it's in that spawn bubble, so we know it's more of a hey. Because that spawn word bubble, it starts with a hey. [00:14:37] Speaker B: Yeah. It ends with a hey. Oh, but we got spawn. Spawn yelling. Just yelling about somebody being a butcher, and then settle down rat alley. [00:14:47] Speaker A: We kind of zoom in from the moon and go down and down into the city. Into the rat alley. [00:14:52] Speaker B: Yeah. So. And it focuses, finally, on a hand and a shoelace, Johnny. This is the first appearance of the shoelace, Johnny. And we know this shoelace has big things in store for it in the future. [00:15:07] Speaker A: Oh, yes. The shoelace becomes a very big part of spawns of the you of the Spawns universe. [00:15:12] Speaker B: Yes, indeed. [00:15:13] Speaker A: They gotta have a shoelace spinoff come out. [00:15:15] Speaker B: Just the lace spawn shoelace. [00:15:19] Speaker A: I wonder if Cyan will still be obsessed with it in misery. [00:15:21] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe. She probably has it, like. Like. Yeah, like in a. In a locket. You never know. [00:15:30] Speaker A: Yeah, she could. [00:15:31] Speaker B: The backstory would be that somebody was murdered in the shoelace factory the day the shoelace was created. Johnny. It wasn't. It was supposed to have been destroyed, but somehow made it through QC and made it out onto the streets. [00:15:44] Speaker A: The shoelace. It's funny because the person here tying the shoelace, who we know is Bobby, but you haven't been revealed yet. He said he should have tied one on before he started. Then he'd be really shaky. You think it'd be the opposite. You'd think that he'd probably be shaking if he didn't have the alcohol. [00:16:01] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:16:01] Speaker A: So it might help steady his hand. [00:16:03] Speaker B: Maybe. Maybe he should have tied one on. [00:16:06] Speaker A: Get it tied up. [00:16:07] Speaker B: One on, tie. This is literally what I do when I make a joke that I feel somebody should have laughed at. [00:16:17] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. [00:16:18] Speaker B: And they haven't. And, like, you just stare at them in the eyes, and they just, they're like, what are you doing? [00:16:25] Speaker A: Why? [00:16:26] Speaker B: Yeah, like, it wasn't. It wasn't funny. [00:16:29] Speaker A: Please stop. And then he asked him, how'd you get that nasty gash? Anyway? And we cut to the next page. You turn the page. It's a pretty famous one page of Spawn. [00:16:40] Speaker B: Yes, indeed. [00:16:41] Speaker A: With the shoelace face for the first time. He says he ran into some bozo in black, which has a asterisk and has c shoes. 1920. Not out yet. Tomorrow. So, yeah, we should have asked him about it. But this is commonly confused, because in this time around, this time, Batman, Spawn came out and. Or Spawn Batman, whichever one it was. One of the two. [00:17:08] Speaker B: You're better. You're better at keeping that straight than I am. [00:17:10] Speaker A: He's Batman. Spawn. Spawn. Batman's a new one. Yeah, but he. He gets hit with the Batarang at the end. So a lot of people thought that that was what Clee just faced. But something that Houdini did, which we'll get to when we COVID 19 and 20. [00:17:23] Speaker B: Co host David Thott. [00:17:24] Speaker A: The other reason we didn't cover it. Cause if you remember on our Thomas Healy episode. [00:17:28] Speaker B: Yes, indeed. [00:17:29] Speaker A: He said that he would love to cover the Houdini issues, which are 1920. And as we all know, Thomas Healy is a very busy man. So we're just trying to get him as soon as we can. [00:17:39] Speaker B: But, yeah, he's working his little. Tuck us off on 19 different titles. [00:17:43] Speaker A: Yeah. On the u, baby. [00:17:45] Speaker B: Geez. He's editing almost as many books as Tom King is writing. [00:17:52] Speaker A: Man, does Tom King write a lot of comics. [00:17:54] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And he. He is very long winded in every single one of them. I don't know how he has time to even write the first drafts of all the books he writes. [00:18:04] Speaker A: Wow. [00:18:05] Speaker B: It's insane. But, yeah, a wonderful, wonderful page here. It's gnarly. It's gross. It's tiny. Disgusting. It's. [00:18:12] Speaker A: Yeah, I love how gross. Like, the tie off on the shoelaces. It's just, like, hanging there. [00:18:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, boy. And I like how, like, an inch away from the. From the shoelace, there's just, like, his skin is flapping off. So, like, the question it remains what actually is being held together if his skin is just flopping off elsewhere, too? [00:18:37] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know. And he's got. He. He tied him up over the mouth, too, so his mouth is all fucked up. [00:18:43] Speaker B: Yeah. But, hey, Johnny, he took care of a. He. This takes care of a problem that won't rear its head again for a very long time, because it's just like. No, no, it's just shrank. [00:18:56] Speaker A: It's tight down. [00:18:58] Speaker B: Ain't gotta worry about it. Yeah, nothing to worry about at all. And then, you know, it's like the after the haircut where you're asking the barber what it looks like before he turns it around, and Bobby's just like, I love it. [00:19:10] Speaker A: That was quite a beauty you had there. [00:19:12] Speaker B: Yeah, no one's gonna notice the difference. Oh, boy. [00:19:16] Speaker A: Is this the first time we're getting Bobby named? [00:19:19] Speaker B: I think so. Well. Cause this is. This is new Bobby. Because, remember, there was another Bobby. Because there's this canonically two unhomed men named Bobby. There's Bobby of Bobby and Bootsy, and then there's the other guy who was just a guy named Bobby. [00:19:34] Speaker A: Okay, so this is the Bobby. Bootsy Bobby. [00:19:36] Speaker B: Yeah, this is. This is the. The Bobby we care about. [00:19:40] Speaker A: The Bobby who. Yeah, I just. [00:19:42] Speaker B: I just remember. I just remembered how Bobby's story ends. [00:19:46] Speaker A: Sad. He's got a sad story coming up right here. [00:19:50] Speaker B: Oh, boy. [00:19:52] Speaker A: So basically, he's like. He basically just, like, tells the story about how his wife died of cancer. [00:19:57] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:19:58] Speaker A: Of the brain. [00:19:59] Speaker B: Brain. [00:20:00] Speaker A: And he's like, obviously didn't take it very well because. Ended up homeless. [00:20:04] Speaker B: So, yeah, it's a rough story. I was bummed. I was bummed reading this issue, Johnny. I was like, oh, shit. Oh, shit. Bobby hasn't had it good at all. No, but I do. We very quickly skipped over one of my favorite bits of the issue. Johnny. And Bobby was, like, the best part. I didn't even use my shoelace. I stole this shoe from one of those dorks on 52nd. [00:20:31] Speaker A: He holds up the world's grossest shoe. [00:20:34] Speaker B: It's a purloined shoes shoelace, Johnny. [00:20:37] Speaker A: He stole it. [00:20:38] Speaker B: He stole it. But, yeah. [00:20:40] Speaker A: So he also asked Al to quit being such a big poop. [00:20:47] Speaker B: He calls them every sort of pejorative name that begins with a p. Calls him a poop, calls him a pussy. Yeah, actually, I guess that's about it. But. But, yeah, but. Cause. Cause Spawn's, you know, like, woe is me. I've lost Wanda. And Bob is like, you think. You think you dying and your wife still being alive is bad? Let me tell you. Let me tell you. Let me tell you of bad. And then we get the. We get the opening quote of Bobby. Bobby has a sad tale to tell, Johnny, but he is very positive. He is very uplifting. He's got. Yeah, he's got advice out the wazoo. [00:21:27] Speaker A: Yeah, it's opening quote where he's just like, you know, go find your answers, but don't. Don't lose sight that you have us, the folks in the alley. [00:21:34] Speaker B: I like that he's just standing there, just giving the thumbs up to spot. [00:21:38] Speaker A: Yeah, he's doing the truck. Keep on trucking. [00:21:43] Speaker B: I also like that Bobby breaks the mold of what is typically assumed unhoused people are where Bobby is a very big man. And typically, you know, most people who are experiencing homelessness aren't quite as rotund. [00:22:00] Speaker A: Hey, Bobby's got his suppliers. Who knows? [00:22:03] Speaker B: Yeah, either that or he's freshly in this. In this environment. [00:22:09] Speaker A: Yeah, that could be it. [00:22:12] Speaker B: But no, he's just. He's just great. He's grateful for what he has, and he knows that the world is better when you're grateful for what you have, Johnny. And I gotta say, I'm grateful for having a spawn podcast with my buddy Johnny. [00:22:25] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm grateful to be here as well. [00:22:27] Speaker B: It makes me feel a bit cocky, if you know what it means. [00:22:31] Speaker A: That's a classic Todd father line. Having you around makes us feel a bit cocky, if you know what I mean. I don't. I don't know what you mean. [00:22:42] Speaker B: I don't know what he means. But, yeah, and then I like that their. Their conversation, uh, you know, it's kind of dwindles off and then it, like, slams into another conversation here. [00:22:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Bobby goes, is he cool or what? And then someone screams, what? [00:23:00] Speaker B: What? It's Jason Wynn. Screaming what, Johnny? [00:23:03] Speaker A: Oh, it is Jason Wynn. Okay. I couldn't tell where that he's so in the shadows. Yeah, plus, like, Bobby kind of looks like Jason Wynn. Yeah, I mean, top father definitely has his style of, like, bigger guy. [00:23:16] Speaker B: Yeah. The main difference is Bobby has, like, three times the ear that Jason Wynn does. [00:23:24] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, no, I just need Bobby in the other pages. Yeah, when you see his full body. [00:23:29] Speaker B: Yeah, but, yeah, so we've smashed to Jason Nguyen. Jason Nguyen is very upset that a nobody knows what the hell is going has happened with his disappearance when he was sucked up by the angels and became anti spawn. [00:23:47] Speaker A: Yeah, everyone probably just thinks he went on a bender. They're like, come on, dude, we don't know where you fucking went, you know? [00:23:52] Speaker B: Yeah, well, he apparently showed back up naked in his office. [00:23:55] Speaker A: Exactly. Bender. [00:23:56] Speaker B: If. If I showed up in my. And my boss was curled up in a corner of his office naked, I would, like, slowly back out and close the door and never speak of it again. [00:24:09] Speaker A: Yep. [00:24:12] Speaker B: But he's got. He's got, like, the news people talking about it. Johnny, could you imagine having a job where the news people talk about all of your faults? [00:24:22] Speaker A: I would want that. [00:24:23] Speaker B: Not only. Not only does nobody know what the heck happened during this disappearance, Johnny, but that thread that they were on, where Jason Nguyen was like, I know. I know who's plotting against us. It's Terry Fitzgerald. And, like, all of the evidence comes up null. It's like he physically and literally couldn't have done it, sir. And he's like, I know that. I know he did it. I know he did it. Right now he is basically. Oh, shit, what's his name? He's asking for. Jason Nguyen is asking for his men to do a Watergate. [00:24:57] Speaker A: Yeah, basically. I know. [00:24:59] Speaker B: What was that dude's name? Jesus fucking Craig Nixon. Nixon. Fuck me. What was that guy? Oh, man. Johnny, I. My brain is bad. [00:25:18] Speaker A: Hey, it's okay. It has real bad. [00:25:20] Speaker B: Not as bad win. [00:25:21] Speaker A: Assign some men to watch Wanda as well. [00:25:23] Speaker B: Mm hmm. Yes. [00:25:25] Speaker A: And then says that report about how they think he's innocent just to have it destroyed. [00:25:30] Speaker B: Yeah, it was like, just ignore this, toss it in the trash. And then he sends some g men from another agency to shake Terry. Terry down again. So Terry has been visited by all of the initial agencies being threatened with a good time. [00:25:49] Speaker A: Yeah. I'd just be like, man, this is getting. This is getting old. All these people coming at me, poking their fingers in my face like he's doing. [00:25:56] Speaker B: Bursting in on his administrative assistant without an appointment. Come on. Come on. You make an appointment. [00:26:05] Speaker A: We live in a society. There are rules. [00:26:09] Speaker B: We live in a society, Johnny. [00:26:12] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:26:13] Speaker B: So they're just like, Terry's just standing in the middle of his office with his briefcase. So obviously he was on his way out. And that makes this even worse. Just barging in while he's trying to. [00:26:23] Speaker A: Leave, trying to get home from work, and these guys are just coming in and harassing him. [00:26:28] Speaker B: And then talk about saved by the bell, Johnny. His phone starts ringing. They're like, go get that phone. Make it seem like we weren't disturbing you. It's Wanda. Wanda being like, don't forget that we have a date tonight. I can't imagine that it would be very weird to be in such a heightened situation, to then just immediately pull down into something as. As silly as a story about your daughter still hating going on the slide and having to be saved. Like, that's. That's some, uh. That's some, like, emotional whiplash right there. [00:27:05] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm Todd. Felt like it's a bonk for Jon Wanda bonk. [00:27:09] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. She's. She's sitting there like that, uh. Like that Mary Jane cover from that Spider man issue a long time ago. [00:27:16] Speaker A: That's what I was thinking of. [00:27:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Also, I love how square this phone handle is. I like that. Like, at the late eighties and early nineties, everything had to be. The form had to be very, very clean edges. Nothing was ergonomic. It was just. You hold onto it because it looks pretty, not because it feels comfortable. [00:27:38] Speaker A: Yeah, no, yeah. With, like, the square. Yeah, I did so many of those. What a lost art, talking on a corded phone. [00:27:45] Speaker B: Oh, man. Oh, shit, dude. [00:27:47] Speaker A: I remember my mom had one that was just like soup before we got a cordless phone. She said, like, the longest cord in the world on the kitchen phone would just, like, walk around with it. [00:27:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Or, like, when my. Before my sister got her. Her bedroom phone. Like, she would just take the phone to her room and you'd have to, like, you. You could either choose to go over the cord or under the cord. And it was a calculated risk, because if you accidentally knocked the cord out, you got in big trouble. [00:28:12] Speaker A: Don't knock the cord out. [00:28:14] Speaker B: Don't knock it out. And then, like, the dance of, like, getting back to the phone and, like, accidentally tangling yourself up in it and being like, uh. [00:28:23] Speaker A: Uh. [00:28:23] Speaker B: Uh. [00:28:24] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. It's a lost art. [00:28:26] Speaker B: Oh, man. That's the physical media we need to bring back Joni. [00:28:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Phone cords. [00:28:32] Speaker B: You never have to. [00:28:33] Speaker A: You never have to look your wireless. [00:28:35] Speaker B: Phone, but you don't have to look for a charger. Johnny, don't you remember? [00:28:39] Speaker A: No, it's convenient. I hate. I hate charging my phone in cyberpunk times. [00:28:42] Speaker B: They're still looking for their chargers. If they just had cyberpunk landline phones, you wouldn't have to worry about a charger. Come on. Bah. [00:28:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Go back to landlines. Let's go back to landlines. The cds. [00:28:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:56] Speaker A: And physical comic books. [00:28:57] Speaker B: And blockbuster and Hastings, where if you return your. Your new release within 24 hours, you get half. Half of the rental cost back as a credit. Oh, boy. So good. [00:29:12] Speaker A: So if you just, like, watch the movie in a night and brought it back the next day. [00:29:15] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So because new. New rentals, they classified anything within the last. Released within the last month as a new rental, and they cost more to rent just because they were in higher demand and as an incentive to get you to bring it back sooner, you can get credit on it. So, like, literally at least one or two of my rentals every time I went to Hastings was free. [00:29:41] Speaker A: Nice. [00:29:41] Speaker B: Because the. The rental credit that you got was enough for an old rental. [00:29:46] Speaker A: Ah. [00:29:48] Speaker B: You rent. You rent one new movie and bring it back the next day, and then you can get an old movie for free for five days. Five days for a free movie, Johnny. [00:29:57] Speaker A: Wow, that's. That's incredible, man. [00:30:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:00] Speaker A: What a time to be alive. [00:30:02] Speaker B: And if the. The VHS was broken or the disc was scratched, they would give you a hell of credits. [00:30:09] Speaker A: Nice. [00:30:09] Speaker B: You get, like, three free. Three free rentals. [00:30:13] Speaker A: I sold a broken Xbox to the hey season stillwater. They bought it for a. Basically, it would stay on and be normal for, like, 20 minutes, and then it would just go out. So, like, when they tested it, they only kept it off, like, a couple minutes. [00:30:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:30:27] Speaker A: You know, it worked. [00:30:29] Speaker B: Hey, what do you know? What do you know? [00:30:32] Speaker A: What do you know? [00:30:35] Speaker B: Somebody. Somebody's gonna find us because they bought that Xbox and they're gonna hunt you down, John. [00:30:39] Speaker A: Like, are you oyster boy? Did you sell your Xbox? I'm gonna kill you. [00:30:44] Speaker B: Oh. [00:30:44] Speaker A: Shout out if anyone wants to add me on Xbox Live. It's oyster space boy. One, two words. Just nice and clean. Oyster boy do it. I almost got that on fucking discord, but then some asshole got it, so it's oyster dot oyster boy or something like fucking that. [00:31:00] Speaker B: Yeah, it's oyster dot fucking that boy. No, wait. No, not that. [00:31:05] Speaker A: I should. I should have been oyster boy. That's my Internet name. [00:31:10] Speaker B: It's. Give me. You could have done it. You could have done it. You know, southern style. Erstaboy Erster. [00:31:20] Speaker A: So who's doing it? Southern style is fucking. We cut the Sam. He's beating the shit out of a dude. [00:31:24] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. He's. He's got. He's got New Orleans cop written all over him. Even though he's from the NIPB. [00:31:30] Speaker A: He's the bad lieutenant from Portico, New Orleans. [00:31:32] Speaker B: Yeah, he is. He. He is Nicolas Cage. [00:31:37] Speaker A: Hopefully he doesn't trip out and see a bunch of weird iguanas. That's a crazy movie. [00:31:43] Speaker B: We should. They should get what's his dick to do the same. A Twitch movie. Now, I'm forgetting director's names. [00:31:50] Speaker A: Werner Herzog. [00:31:51] Speaker B: Werner Herzog. Could you imagine the Sam and Twitch movie as directed by Werner? [00:31:57] Speaker A: I kind of could, actually. [00:31:59] Speaker B: That would be great. [00:32:01] Speaker A: So, yeah, Sam's, like, just beating the shit out of some dude, and Twitch. [00:32:04] Speaker B: Is just staying in the background. Like, take it easy. Not so hard, sir. [00:32:13] Speaker A: He's basically beating up this guy to try to get info on spawn, right? [00:32:17] Speaker B: Yes, he is. So he's a, he's a crook mailing. [00:32:20] Speaker A: Him because he's like, hey, I know you got all that crack back there in your car. Not to mention the illegal firearms pound. [00:32:25] Speaker B: And a half of crack, Johnny. That's a lot of crack. [00:32:28] Speaker A: That's a lot of crack. [00:32:29] Speaker B: I didn't even know they measured crack and pounds. I thought they measured that in metric. [00:32:33] Speaker A: I don't know. I don't really try to know about crack too much. [00:32:37] Speaker B: I know crack is whack if you're a team. That's what, that's all I know, Johnny. [00:32:41] Speaker A: I think it's whack if you're an adult too. Yeah, probably. One time I caught a guy smoking crack at a thrift store. [00:32:48] Speaker B: Oh, man. [00:32:49] Speaker A: I assume it was like one of the worst smells ever smelled. This guy was like smoking out of a crack by. [00:32:53] Speaker B: It smells like, kind of like burning plastic. [00:32:55] Speaker A: Yeah, it was. [00:32:57] Speaker B: Yeah. I've encountered people downtown smoking crack at a bus stop. Uh, it's wild. [00:33:04] Speaker A: Yeah, it's wild. [00:33:06] Speaker B: Like, what are the use. [00:33:07] Speaker A: Guys selling cracks. So guys getting beaten up. What's up? [00:33:09] Speaker B: They got those, uh, they got those glass pipes that they sell just at the store. What else would you put in a glass pipe that's shaped like that, Johnny? Cause you, you like, you like you. I'm not encouraging anybody to smoke crack, but the you like you, you put it in a glass pipe and then like, you torch the glass pipe directly instead of torching the, the product for reasons, I don't know. That's just the way you do it. But what else would you use a pipe that you just torch? What else would you use it for? [00:33:42] Speaker A: Nothing. [00:33:43] Speaker B: Nothing. Like, you can't even, you can't even just be like, yeah, you just put your tobacco in there and you like your tobacco. No tobacco pipe looks like that. I should know. Yeah, I smoke a tobacco pipe sometimes. I'm an old man. If you like, if you like tobacco pipes, you should visit Iwen Reese in downtown Chicago, the nation's longest running tobacco purveyors. They've been open the longest. [00:34:11] Speaker A: Oh, cool. I see you have a pipe and used to smoke a pipe occasionally. [00:34:15] Speaker B: It's a good time. [00:34:16] Speaker A: Then I gotta get nicotine and have to completely quit any kind of form of nicotine. [00:34:20] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I could see that. It's bad news bears. [00:34:23] Speaker A: Yes. But now I'm nicotine free. [00:34:25] Speaker B: Woo. You are. You are not Nick Alice Cage. [00:34:30] Speaker A: No, I'm not. [00:34:33] Speaker B: You are Nicolas Cage. There you go. Nick. [00:34:35] Speaker A: Nick Nick, Les Cage. [00:34:39] Speaker B: Talk about sweaty. [00:34:41] Speaker A: But who's not nicotine free as Sam? He's smoking a cigarette. [00:34:43] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, he's got it just right there. He's clenching it between his teeth. Johnny, is it comfortable to hold a cigarette so tightly between your teeth? [00:34:53] Speaker A: I don't think so. I think it makes it hard to smoke too. [00:34:55] Speaker B: Yeah, nothing's hard for Sam Burke. But. But so this guy that he. [00:35:02] Speaker A: Even when I was a smoker, I can never just do this. Hang out of your mouth and smoke. Like, I had to, like, pull it away. [00:35:06] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I can see that. I can see that. That's. That's what happened the first time my dad tried to get me to smoke a cigar. I turned green and he laughed at me. Because that is. That is an intense experience. Because you have to go slow. [00:35:23] Speaker A: Yes. [00:35:23] Speaker B: You have to go slow as hell, or you're gonna give yourself the nicotine heralding pukes. It's. Oh, it's a terrible feeling. Yeah, it's a terrible feeling. Much like, I'm sure this guy right here is feeling very terrible post Sam Burke beat down, saying that he'll sue. And Sam's. Sam's there like, yeah, okay. Yeah, maybe. Maybe, you know, you'll sue. We'll be in trouble. And twitch is in the back. They're like, I'll start looking for a new job tomorrow, sir. [00:35:57] Speaker A: So sassy. [00:35:59] Speaker B: God, I love his sarcasm. This is. This is the same at twitch we love. Not the same at twitch. At odds and Sam and twitch. Even though we do love that Sam. [00:36:09] Speaker A: And twitch, that's a lot of Sam and twitch. [00:36:12] Speaker B: It's a lot of Sam and twitch we love. We love all. All aspects of Sam and twitch. [00:36:18] Speaker A: I love Sam's hair in this. It's just, like, crazy. [00:36:21] Speaker B: Oh, he's got that wonderful pompadour. [00:36:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:24] Speaker B: He's got that big black leather jacket. Oh, man. So then we get the little bit of dialogue saying, you know, Sam and twitch, detectives for the NYPD, they're looking for spawn because, like, the worst. The worst experience of their life have been connected with Spawn. [00:36:43] Speaker A: Yes. We gotta find this guy. [00:36:45] Speaker B: Yeah. This guy that they're trying to get the information out of. This badminton just keeps being like, screw you, pig. I know my rights. And Sam threatens to put him in a wheelchair. And he's like, you know, kids won't buy drugs from you if you're in a wheelchair. That's just that cool. [00:37:07] Speaker A: If I know anything about some open air drug markets I've seen around town, people will buy drugs and people in wheelchairs. [00:37:13] Speaker B: Yes, absolutely. [00:37:14] Speaker A: They don't care. [00:37:15] Speaker B: That's the, the only disadvantage that the people in wheelchairs have at those markets is they can't hold their product up high enough or as high as the people who can stand. [00:37:26] Speaker A: That's true. [00:37:27] Speaker B: That's always a wild thing because it's just like, one block, and there's just, like, everybody being like, wow. Yo. And it's like, wait, what? What happened? And then you're on the next block, and it's completely quiet, and it's like, wait, what? It's weird. Drugs. Drugs is weird. Drugs is bad. Street drugs is bad. Don't do them. [00:37:50] Speaker A: Yeah, I really don't. Especially with all that fentanyl out there now. Like, it's just like, don't do it. [00:37:54] Speaker B: No. Chicago public libraries do have fentanyl test strips and narcan available. So if you are unable to stay away from the street, drugs do make available to yourself the means to stay as safe as possible. Everybody. [00:38:11] Speaker A: Yeah. You don't want to end up dead. Or like Sam Burke says here, he's going to put you on long enough. You wished you bought stock of the Vaseline company. Ooh, Jesus, Sam. [00:38:22] Speaker B: Oh, Jesus. Jeez. And then he, like, fucking crunches the hell out of his hand, just like. [00:38:28] Speaker A: Yeah, Sam's huge dick to this guy, man. This is a little meaner Sam than I usually like. Yeah, but, I mean, this guy does have a pound of crack under the arms. Pound and a half. [00:38:41] Speaker B: That's. That's a lot of crack. [00:38:43] Speaker A: That's a lot of crack. [00:38:45] Speaker B: And then, and then we learned that for the next 48 hours, Jimmy Lyndon displays remarkable initiative as he digs for answers. I would. I would be unsurprised if at some point there was a, a mini series of Jimmy Lyndon criminal in Spawns universe, one shot or miniseries just like him going around trying to be like, I want to do bad things. I want to sell drugs. But there's the spawn guy. Could you imagine? Be good. It would be like a slice of life. [00:39:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:20] Speaker B: We cut to another alley because all of this took place in one alley. And now we cut back to another alley. [00:39:27] Speaker A: We're in a different alley. A lot of alley work in this issue. [00:39:29] Speaker B: Oh, man. It is the alley. Estoop and spawns basically blending in with the alley dwellers. Camouflage that they hide themselves among all the discarded waste. Some guy, one of the, one of the unhomed men comes by, and he's like, al, this is skinhead looking for you. Al, this guy's looking for you. [00:39:59] Speaker A: Says, you're a pussy. And Al's like, what? No one calls me a pussy. [00:40:08] Speaker B: But also, you know, he's like, what? These guys come. These guys coming in looking for me. I. These guys are under my protection. I gotta make sure that. That my alley friends aren't getting hassled because of me. [00:40:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:21] Speaker B: So he goes and he, he does his. He does his Batman pose. And we got the skinhead who's, you know, hassling somebody. It looks maybe like he's hassling Bobby. [00:40:34] Speaker A: Yeah, he might be hassling Bobby. [00:40:36] Speaker B: Hassling Bobby. Looking for him, looking for spawn. And then Spawn's like, you called very, very lurch. Like you, Reg. [00:40:45] Speaker A: You looking for the magic man? I'm the magic man. [00:40:51] Speaker B: When Spawn grabs him, he just, like, digs his fingers in until he gets to the bone. [00:40:56] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, he really grabs this guy. [00:41:00] Speaker B: Long fingers ending in ungodly talons. [00:41:05] Speaker A: Yow. Good. Nice tom o work. A lot of good Tom wok in this issue. [00:41:09] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. We didn't mention it, but that what that is. That is what so clean and done by hand. Oh, boy. [00:41:18] Speaker A: Ow. Skash yowg. [00:41:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Like every third word that Sam Burke had said. [00:41:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:27] Speaker B: Yes. I like, I like when. When Al has a hold of the skinhead, he's like, I'd like a minute of your time. Like, he's like, he's a missionary asking if you have time to learn about. [00:41:43] Speaker A: Our lord and savior Jesus Christ. [00:41:45] Speaker B: Yes, and the Book of Mormon. The skinhead. The skinhead looks less like a skinhead and just like an old man who lost all his hair. [00:41:53] Speaker A: Yeah, he has, like, some fuzz. He's not a very good skinhead. Yeah, he's got some head fuzz. [00:42:00] Speaker B: But, you know, I guess. Or if that's. If that's what we're having to critique about people being skinheads, then we've. We've missed the point entirely. Although it must be said that not all skinheads are racist. There's just a subgroup of the skinhead population, because skinhead is an aesthetic group within the punk movement, and it just, it just happens to be that they were the most visible portion of the unsavories within them. So not all skinheads are racists, but if somebody's going to depict a member of the punk community as racist, they're going to pick skinheads. [00:42:40] Speaker A: They're going to pick a skinhead. So he's throwing this guy around who's just like, you better watch out. The mafia's going to fucking get you, dude. [00:42:48] Speaker B: Yeah. When the mob gets mad, people get hurt, including you. And Spawn says, he took the words right out of my mouth as he scashes him against the wall. Johnny, look at that. That's a. That's a great skash. [00:43:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:03] Speaker B: This dude's bleeding from the. Bleeding from the head, you know, threatening. Threatening to hurt him, his family, his pets. Leave the pets out of this, you jerk. [00:43:14] Speaker A: You're saying that the mafia will. Yeah, yeah. [00:43:18] Speaker B: And then he's like, you're dead meat. You're dead meat. You hear me? You're dead meat. [00:43:23] Speaker A: And spawn just pokes his own eyes, grabs his own face, and rips off the mask. The next page, you get this awesome, like, image of him, like, ripping out of the mask, like a giant mouth, just screaming. An impossible mouth, David. [00:43:38] Speaker B: It's huge. With hell, all things are possible, Johnny. [00:43:41] Speaker A: No, I know. We could fit. Like, that's like a Mount Bolshevik jaw there. [00:43:46] Speaker B: Yeah, indeed. You know how many hot dogs he could fit in that thing? Dang. [00:43:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. [00:43:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I bet the clowns just sitting over there like, shit. Shit. I wish I could do that in this form. Shit. You're damn right I am. He's very dead meat here, Johnny. I do like how the two big splash pages for this issue have just been close ups on Al's disgusting, disgusting, gross face. [00:44:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:13] Speaker B: Like, the most detailed artwork in this issue so far has been just look at how gross this face is. [00:44:20] Speaker A: Yeah, pretty much. [00:44:22] Speaker B: Then we get another classic Todd father joke where the skinhead is so scared of what he sees, he just goes, Christ. Spawn says, not even close. [00:44:38] Speaker A: I love it. So he asks him who his boss is. He tells us, tony Twist. And he goes, that fat ass. How many of his whipping boys are need to spank. [00:44:45] Speaker B: Yeah. And then we get c issues six and seven, because, you know, overtkill was one of his whooping boys, which Spawn. [00:44:52] Speaker A: Whooped and said he smelled like a stinky, poopy turd. [00:44:55] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, poopy. And then, you know, Spawn's telling the skinhead to go back to Tony Twist, like, with these threats. And he's like, you're crazy, man. You're crazy. You're crazy. Spot says it helps. Spawn's full of jokes in this episode. Johnny. I like it. [00:45:17] Speaker A: Yeah, he does. Like, a karate chop on the guy. [00:45:19] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then. 05:23 a.m. you know, birds. The birds are twittering, the horns are honking, and Tony Twist is sitting like a cat in the window, waiting for the sunbeams to come in, saying, yes, give me the subject. [00:45:40] Speaker A: Then we get a little call back or a call to the little shout out to the violator mini series. [00:45:46] Speaker B: Yeah, we do, because they're talking about sending, sending the admonisher after the clown. But, oh, wait, we forgot the skinhead. The skinhead takes this threat from spawn to Tony Twist, and then Tony Twist is like, excellent. Awesome. You're fired. Get the fuck out of here. [00:46:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I have no further use for you. [00:46:05] Speaker B: Yeah. And so, you know, there's the. The rundown of them trying to find the clown who was the. The mob boss killer, the heart ripper outer. Yeah. The whole, what they're supposed to do with overt kill since he got junked, and he has to respond to the bosses in Sicily with that. And then, you know, and then, you know, they're like, you know, there's this man that I think we need to find. His name is Terry Fitzgerald, because they're. [00:46:38] Speaker A: Matching the weapons that destroyed overkill with the weapons that were stolen. [00:46:43] Speaker B: So it's like the Tony twist is now doing the exact same investigation that Jason Wynn is. [00:46:53] Speaker A: Yeah. They're both tearing together from all sides. [00:46:55] Speaker B: They're both doing it very extralegally. So it's a tough place for Terry to be in. [00:47:01] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:47:02] Speaker B: But hard times make hard men. And we know Terry is a very hard man. To break a coconut on his abs. [00:47:11] Speaker A: Oh, we know that. [00:47:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:12] Speaker A: And he sleeps in silk boxers. Tony Twist is just yelling at his guy. [00:47:16] Speaker B: Yeah, he's just. [00:47:17] Speaker A: Smithers is the guy's name, which is hilarious. One of the top fathers watched the Simpsons before he wrote this issue. [00:47:24] Speaker B: Probably. [00:47:26] Speaker A: Probably. It was the nineties. It was very popular. [00:47:28] Speaker B: I don't want a cow man eat my shorts. And he's doing that thing where he's chewing on a toothpick, and he's yelling so much that the toothpick is dangling in midair, just floating. Love it. I love it. Every time I see it, I do the Leonardo DiCaprio pointing at the scream meme. Just, like, love it. Then we get a reference to something that happened in Youngblood strike file. [00:47:56] Speaker A: Something to do with, I guess, overkill's head, I guess. I don't know. I haven't read that. That's not in the spawn reading list, is it? [00:48:06] Speaker B: I think it is, yeah. [00:48:07] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:48:08] Speaker B: But it's. It's like, tangential stuff. Let me. [00:48:11] Speaker A: The tangential part? [00:48:13] Speaker B: Yeah. It's the, like, the. The optional, the not fully necessary cause, like, the death of chapel happens in youngblood proper. And then I guess there's maybe some fallout from that. [00:48:29] Speaker A: Okay. [00:48:31] Speaker B: There's a lot of spawn out there, Johnny. Even spawn that's not real spawn. [00:48:35] Speaker A: Even spawn that's not real spawn. It's just so related to spawn. [00:48:37] Speaker B: Yeah, we get the pundits not to say that the spawn that appears in those not spawns isn't the real spawn. It's just that they're not spawn. But he's spawned, but they're not. [00:48:49] Speaker A: He's spawned in a not spawn way. [00:48:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I probably didn't need to clarify, but Johnny, dang it. I love clarify. Love to clarify, but, yeah, the pundits. This is, like, what I was talking about, where Jason Wynn's nonsense is just on blast. [00:49:06] Speaker A: Like, it's all over the news about being naked in his office. There were no witnesses. [00:49:11] Speaker B: Oh, boy. Yeah. Like, the CNN and eat entertainment news are all just, like, super investigative, super in there. Just like, all over it. And our pal Brock the shock on WWDAV eight, just being like, this dude. This dude's on drugs. What the. Stop looking for anything. This dude's on drugs. This dude's just on drugs, basically. And then he's like, I, for one, feel very, very safe that this man is in charge of our national security. Oh, Brock is. Brock is so sassy sometimes. [00:49:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, he is. [00:49:53] Speaker B: And it's actually, it's actually Brock the shock's message from the television that takes us out because it flows on over to the next page, and we see as it's images of all the people that tie into what, what Brock is talking about. We get a quick glimpse of all. [00:50:12] Speaker A: Of them, win Tony, twist and overt kill. [00:50:17] Speaker B: And then he says, I just hope there's somebody out there with enough guts to stand up and fight back. And then we see an image of spawn next, everybody. Plus overt kill. That's the end of the issue. [00:50:31] Speaker A: That's the end of the issue. Then we go on to the spawning rounds, which I have, that you don't have. [00:50:38] Speaker B: I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna close my eyes so that way I can listen really good to this. Johnny. [00:50:43] Speaker A: Oh, you're taking a nap. Wake up. The first letter is a really long, kind of odd letter about a group of friends who want there to be more black superheroes, which we totally agree with. [00:50:57] Speaker B: Yes, absolutely. [00:50:58] Speaker A: But the way they go about it is just, it's really weird. I don't know. It's just a long, really long letter. And then Todd McFarlane, like, barely addresses what they ask. [00:51:07] Speaker B: So I was about to say long, weird letter check. [00:51:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:13] Speaker B: Oh, that's the spawning rounds kinda tangential response from Todd McFarlane. Check. That's right on track. [00:51:21] Speaker A: And he says, this is hilarious because someone's asking about how they like spawn. They like how it has, like, a story, and it's, like, taking its time with a mystery. And he basically kind of says that. And Todd's response is hilarious. He says, my plan is to basically have a good definition of what spawn is all about by issue 40, he went way beyond that. [00:51:50] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I mean, at least there was a plan involved, right? [00:51:54] Speaker A: Then there's this guy who tries to, like, diss on Todd and be like, yo, okay, you say you want to give creative freedom and write and, you know, residuals to everybody. What about Grant Morrison and Capullo? Did they get creative freedoms? What if they wanted to kill off Spawn? Would you have let them? It's just like, be really like, what about this? Yeah, contrary. And then Todd's just like, look. Yeah, they could do whatever they wanted. Obviously. I didn't think they would kill off the character because they're not bad at their jobs. So I, yeah, let them do whatever they want. And, yeah, they do make. And he's like, yeah, they do share royalties. So. So the toys, the characters that people created, he's splitting up with the people, help create those characters. Whether or not this is all true, because we know the Neil Gaiman stuff, I don't know. But, you know, he's trying. [00:52:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, that's something that's better. That's better than a lot of people nowadays doing stuff because, yeah, it's very, it's very easy to have all your creative freedom just, like, sucked away by a massive. A massive company. [00:52:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Then we get the blah blah blah, which is actually the same blah blah blah that we covered in one of the violators. [00:53:00] Speaker B: Oh, nice. [00:53:01] Speaker A: So it's a blah blah blah 14. I believe we covered in violator two. But it's the one where he talks about getting some. The wizard fan mag garb. Seamus, who's the, who works for wizard. He brought him some hockey cards and became good friends. Yeah, but that's the blah blah blah. Then there's a few little pinups. There's one by John Cleary. It's like Wanda, Al, and Malbolzer and the violator. There's another one by sterling Clark. That's Wanda, Malbolsha and Al. That's really good. [00:53:32] Speaker B: Nice. [00:53:34] Speaker A: Then we get the same violator fan art that we had in violator number one. I remember this one. It's the same one of just like, all violators violator, take over. [00:53:41] Speaker B: Nice. [00:53:42] Speaker A: There's the guy from Muskogee, Oklahoma's in there. [00:53:44] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. Still haven't been able to pinpoint if I know him or not. [00:53:48] Speaker A: From Muskogee, Oklahoma. Then you get an ad for youngblood number six. [00:53:53] Speaker B: Nice. [00:53:54] Speaker A: Wizard 36, which is giving away a mortal Kombat two arcade game. [00:53:59] Speaker B: Whoo. [00:54:00] Speaker A: That's pretty cool. [00:54:02] Speaker B: That's Wizard Annie. [00:54:03] Speaker A: That's Wizard Annie. And then there's a. What does that even say? [00:54:09] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't have it in front of me. [00:54:11] Speaker A: I can't read it. What does that say? [00:54:17] Speaker B: Um, it's something. Men? Is it new men? [00:54:22] Speaker A: New men. It's new men. Yes. Thank you. It says new men. It's just a really weird fucking way to write it. [00:54:29] Speaker B: That's like the. The opposite of X Men is new Men. [00:54:33] Speaker A: Yeah, they're the new men. [00:54:35] Speaker B: I wonder if Alfred E. Figures prominently in that comic. [00:54:39] Speaker A: Yeah, probably. He's probably the main character. And finally, if this issue, to close it out on the back, we get an ad for violator number two, which covered on the pod. [00:54:50] Speaker B: Well, it's advertised now we have to read violator number two again, Johnny. So let's. [00:54:54] Speaker A: All right. It was pretty good. I twist my arm. [00:54:58] Speaker B: It was a fun time. [00:55:00] Speaker A: It was. So that's key. That's not king. That's regular spawn 21. [00:55:06] Speaker B: Old enough to drink spawn. [00:55:07] Speaker A: Old enough to drink spawn. Congratulations. [00:55:10] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. [00:55:11] Speaker A: He's blackout. I didn't think blackout drunking existed till my 21st birthday. Like I said, drank. But I'd never been in a bar, so there wasn't unlimited alcohol. So that was the first time I realized, oh, you can blackout. [00:55:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. It's a dangerous. It's a dangerous lesson that we have to learn. Yeah. Always. Always the hard way. We could never do it the easy way. [00:55:32] Speaker A: Never. [00:55:32] Speaker B: Unfortunate. It's unfortunate. So here it is. [00:55:46] Speaker A: So next up. [00:55:47] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:55:49] Speaker A: We have king Spawn number 30. [00:55:52] Speaker B: Mm hmm. Johnny, this one we might have done by an accident. We probably should have covered this one before we covered 350 with our good friend the spawn hunter. [00:56:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I was thinking that too, while reading it. Hey, what are you gonna do? [00:56:08] Speaker B: Whoops. [00:56:10] Speaker A: Whoopsie. [00:56:11] Speaker B: We did it intentionally so because it fit thematically with issue number 21. So there we go. Problem solved. [00:56:18] Speaker A: We were just excited to get that spawn Hunter episode out. We were excited to talk to Ty. So that's why. [00:56:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I would do it again in a heartbeat. [00:56:26] Speaker A: Yeah, we went a little out of order. So sue us if we need to. [00:56:31] Speaker B: Record the episode again. I would love to. [00:56:34] Speaker A: Let's get him. Let's call him in and have him do this issue. Phone a friend. No, it's Kingspawn 30 all the way back from February 2024. [00:56:43] Speaker B: Yes, indeed. [00:56:44] Speaker A: I have the a cover. [00:56:46] Speaker B: I also have the a cover by Mister Tomaselli. [00:56:49] Speaker A: We got two. Francesco's working on this one. Francesco Tomatelli and Francesco Matina. [00:56:55] Speaker B: Nice. So the. The Francesco's Bettina and Tomaselli. [00:57:02] Speaker A: Yes. So I have. Yeah, I have the Tomaselli as well, mainly because it's Sam and wish. [00:57:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:07] Speaker A: So nothing to do with the issue whatsoever. [00:57:10] Speaker B: Absolutely not. But, you know, we're nothing if not consistent. [00:57:15] Speaker A: We're nothing. Not consistent. And the bee cover is excellent. Malbolsha. I keep calling the violator. Malbolgia. [00:57:21] Speaker B: Johnny. [00:57:22] Speaker A: I miss him. [00:57:23] Speaker B: Yeah, you got a. [00:57:25] Speaker A: You got long to learn my demons. [00:57:28] Speaker B: Yeah, we should. We should, uh. We should go to a demon class, Johnny. [00:57:32] Speaker A: Oh, I don't know. Scary. [00:57:34] Speaker B: Do you think the catholic church office offers demonology classes so that way we can recognize them? But then we could pervert their knowledge to just, you know, for our own benefit. Yeah. [00:57:45] Speaker A: Like, we call it Paimon to get riches and presents. [00:57:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:50] Speaker A: Lord Paimon. No, that shit scares me. I'm not fucking around with that. No. So the bee cover by Matina is a violator with, like, some green stuff going on and pretty good. [00:58:03] Speaker B: Yeah, the Warrens aren't around to save us anymore either, so. Yeah, we probably shouldn't mess around with that nonsense. [00:58:09] Speaker A: Yeah, the Warrens aren't around. I saw hereditary. I know what happens when you mess with demons, man. I'm not fucking with that shit. [00:58:16] Speaker B: Oh, boy, oh, boy. Your little sister loses her head. Yeah, spoilers for heterodo, Terry, but. [00:58:23] Speaker A: But a bunch of old people get rich, so I guess. Yeah, that's true. Hopefully they do. They don't know. I guess they sacrifice the family to hopefully get rich. [00:58:30] Speaker B: Yeah. I am still, like, at least once a week, and I get shivers up my spine by that fucking scream from Tony Collette. [00:58:38] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. That thing's fucked up. I mean, that's a fucked up movie. [00:58:42] Speaker B: It was a terrible way to come about it, but that movie gave me the biggest crush on Toni Collette that now you put Toni Collette in something, I'm gonna fucking watch it. I love Toni Collette. [00:58:54] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:58:55] Speaker B: If I were to come across her in real life, I would. I would be like. And I'd clam up, and I'd be like, oh, man, it would be hilarious. And she would be like, the fuck's wrong with you? Get out of the way. And I'd be like, leave me alone. [00:59:13] Speaker A: I'm Tony Colette. So, yeah, those are your two covers. We pop it open. [00:59:19] Speaker B: Yes, we do. Then I could do that this time. [00:59:21] Speaker A: You could do it. Why don't you read the credits since you didn't get to last time? [00:59:24] Speaker B: Oh. Oh, yeah. I will do that. Script plot by Todd McFarlane. [00:59:29] Speaker A: Wow. [00:59:31] Speaker B: Art by Javi Fernandez. [00:59:33] Speaker A: Hell, yeah. [00:59:34] Speaker B: So good. Colors by Ivan Nunes. Nunes nunez. Have I been pronouncing it wrong? Probably. [00:59:41] Speaker A: Ivan Nunes. [00:59:42] Speaker B: Lettering by andworld design. We covered the covers. Creative director Todd McFarlane, editor in chief Thomas Healy, and then previously in King Spawn. With Wanda's appearance, Spahn starts to doubt his mission. As. As the song on the. The soundtrack for Hadestown says, johnny doubt creeps in. But luckily, unlike from the greek myth that this is pulled from, Spawn isn't required to not look at Wanda until they're out of hell. [01:00:16] Speaker A: Or what happens if you looked at her? He turns into stone or something? [01:00:19] Speaker B: Or. No, he's supposed to trust that she's following him, and he can't have any feedback. And when he looks back at her before they exit, hell, she's taken back. Oh, it's. [01:00:31] Speaker A: Why do you. [01:00:32] Speaker B: It's gutting every time. Every time. [01:00:34] Speaker A: It's just like, oh, don't look back. [01:00:38] Speaker B: So sad. Go listen to Hadestown if you haven't. I'm seriously, everybody go listen to Hadestown. It's beautiful. It's great stuff. [01:00:46] Speaker A: Sounds like good stuff. [01:00:47] Speaker B: Yeah. So we've got. We open up on basically where we ended with the last. The last issue of King Spawn, where Spawn was putting his cape on Wanda, like a blanket, and he's still staying vigilant while she sleeps. And he's like, I don't even know if this is real. I don't know what's going on. But obviously, she has, you know, removed the symbols of our vows. But, Johnny, wouldn't she have removed the symbols of her and Terry Fitzgerald's bond? [01:01:17] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what I was like, spawn, she's not married to you, dude. [01:01:21] Speaker B: Yeah, she hasn't been married to you since 1987. [01:01:24] Speaker A: Give her a break. [01:01:26] Speaker B: Till death do us part, dude. But anyway, as with. As with issue 21, we know that Spahn is number one wife guy. He is in it for Wanda. [01:01:37] Speaker A: Yep. [01:01:39] Speaker B: And then, you know, he's making sure that she's still comfortable and tucked in, and then strands up and does. I like when he stretches his back, it just says pain. [01:01:49] Speaker A: Yeah. This is this is hilarious. Little bit where he stretches. Pain, stretching. Pain, pain, stretching. [01:01:57] Speaker B: Oh, he does a little bit of. A little bit of yogas. Yeah. And then he starts to have some flashbacks to his wife with his flashbacks to some scenes of his life with Wanda when they were a young married couple. [01:02:13] Speaker A: Yep. [01:02:14] Speaker B: That they've been doing this whole time through this walkthrough hell. They keep just being reminded of their lives together and how much it hurts that they are now at the point that they're at. Yeah, and this one. Yeah. So he's like, her friends have always judged me, and I've never felt good enough for her. He's trying to. He's trying to break himself out of these remembrances. And then Wanda wakes up and shakes him out of it. He's like, are you real? Are you real, Wanda? [01:02:41] Speaker A: And she is. [01:02:42] Speaker B: Yeah. And then she asks him to get woke, Johnny. She asks him to get woke. [01:02:46] Speaker A: Just because you woke, just because you're woke, don't mean I gotta make you breakfast. [01:02:49] Speaker B: She starts to ask, you know, what do you have to sit on the throne? And he says, there's nobody else. And, you know, that's a lie. But this is sort of the trying to cope with the. I understand. Or, like, they both understand what the ramifications of him taking the throne would be, but then also the ramifications of him not taking the throne. Like, if any of the other contenders had taken it, like, how much would that fuck everything else up? So basically, he starts off with being like that. The clown. Clown. Can't have it. That funny boy. He better not sit on the throne. Not at all. Nope, can't do it. [01:03:29] Speaker A: And then you get this, like, really nice series of how they did this. I thought it was, like, just a brilliant thing where you get a big portrait of somebody and then two other flashes of them. [01:03:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:41] Speaker A: And they do that for, like, four or five characters. And I thought it was really, really cool. [01:03:45] Speaker B: It's really cool. [01:03:46] Speaker A: It's just like a nice, like, kind of, like, pause before he goes. Like a pause before the 350. I don't know. [01:03:52] Speaker B: Yeah, I really enjoyed it while I was reading through this. The last time I thought of it as. It's kind of like the greatest hits. Like, this is. This is Javi Fernandez getting to draw spawn as we've known him on his journey that's taken him from issue one here. This is canonical spawn. This is the bits of his life post being murdered by Jason Nguyen. That or bishop or priest, whatever. Somebody that has brought him to where he is. And is leading him to the decisions he needs to makes vis a vis the throne of hell. It all starts with the clown and Wanda. And the clown fucking killed Wanda. And he's like, no, that bastard can't have anything nice anymore. Absolutely not. [01:04:37] Speaker A: And, like, they show Wanda, then they show, like, Wanda burning, which is fucked up. [01:04:41] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, that's real bad. [01:04:42] Speaker A: And Wanda with her kids. [01:04:44] Speaker B: And then the next of these sets is Spawn himself. And then you know him as his. As his human self, Al Simmons prior to being a hellspawn. And then canonical meatball head with the shoelace. [01:04:59] Speaker A: Shoelace. [01:05:00] Speaker B: Spawn. [01:05:00] Speaker A: We get the shoelace. [01:05:02] Speaker B: Yeah, it's another connection. We love making connections between these issues, Johnny. [01:05:06] Speaker A: And this is over these portraits. He's kind of just talking to Wanda about, like, why the clown killed her. What are the clown's goals? [01:05:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Kind of what he thinks he needs to do in order for the worlds to not collapse. It's very, like, big global thought sort of justifications. I really like. I really like how much mustard Javi Fernandez put on these skulls on the cape for. For spawn on this page. [01:05:34] Speaker A: Yeah, for the classic spawn. [01:05:36] Speaker B: Yeah, well, no, like, for the. The current day spawn. [01:05:39] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. [01:05:40] Speaker B: Like, the full. The full 3d. Yeah, it's real good. [01:05:44] Speaker A: Like, the cape pouring out of their mouths. Yeah. [01:05:46] Speaker B: Mm hmm. It's real nice. Then we get the clown. The clown with the current day clown. And then violator and the. And the little goombas. Little minions. [01:05:57] Speaker A: Yeah, his three forms or his three. I guess the little minions are kind of one of his forms. [01:06:03] Speaker B: Kind of. They're where. They're where his form ends up. Whoo. Yeah, boy. Little bastards. Little piranhas. They live in the Amazon. But, like, his. The narration on this page is basically just like, he's nasty, he's gross, he's bad. Next, wanda being like, so who's gonna protect Earth? Yeah, who's gonna protect Earth? And he's like, I don't trust anybody else. [01:06:27] Speaker A: There are others I trust. [01:06:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:29] Speaker A: The scorched. [01:06:31] Speaker B: Can he ask that? Can he ask this of them? He doesn't think so. [01:06:35] Speaker A: Nope. [01:06:36] Speaker B: And then he gets a little bit of edification. He wants to make sure that she still loves him. And she's like, I've never stopped loving you, Al. But we gotta think about much bigger things than that right now. So. Right. [01:06:49] Speaker A: And also just like, al, I'm not gonna love you the same way you love me. Hello. I married Terry Fitzgerald. [01:06:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:55] Speaker A: He has crazy abs and crazy good. [01:06:57] Speaker B: Hair, and she likes his silk boxers. [01:07:00] Speaker A: That he sleeps in and is not spawn. He's not crazy meatball. [01:07:04] Speaker B: He's not a dead man with a meatball face. [01:07:07] Speaker A: That's a bonus. [01:07:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Then we get the. The two page spread version for Koliosjo with his. His sin form is the big one. And then his old man Coleostro, just, like, being kind of grumpy and then kind of teaching Al how to master his symbiote. Symbiote. [01:07:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:07:29] Speaker B: And then the next. The next one is. Is a very, very interesting one, a haunting image, because the. The first one is the image of a throne, and it's a desolated city. [01:07:42] Speaker A: And the throne's, like, made out of the buildings and, like, webbing, and it's like a shalob. [01:07:48] Speaker B: The giant spider has built a nest in these cities. [01:07:51] Speaker A: Is it Shalom or Shelob? [01:07:53] Speaker B: I don't know. Probably Shelob. [01:07:56] Speaker A: I think it's Shelob. [01:07:57] Speaker B: Might be. I. Johnny, I'm terrible at knowing how to pronounce things sometimes. [01:08:02] Speaker A: That's okay. I just want to make sure people knew you were talking about. [01:08:05] Speaker B: Yeah. The giant spider from the Lord of the Rings. That's technically not a spider, so that's another conversation, but. [01:08:11] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [01:08:12] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. She's a mythical being, Johnny. She's not a spider. There are people who are upset about the physiology of Shelob being incorrect for an arachnid, and it's, like, for fucking real. [01:08:27] Speaker A: Really? [01:08:28] Speaker B: You're more worried about the anatomical correctness of a mythical spider, then you are worried about fucking Frodo. Frodo goddamn Baggins. [01:08:38] Speaker A: Come on. [01:08:39] Speaker B: Sick. Come on. But anyway, so, yes, the big, haunting image of the throne, as in the middle of a desolated city with the flashback images being the death of Malbolgia. And then the very first image we have in spawn number one. The earth from above, floating in space. [01:09:04] Speaker A: Floating in space. There it is. The first image I also like on this city, desolate city. There's, like, hell beings flying in the background. [01:09:11] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:09:12] Speaker A: Pretty cool. [01:09:13] Speaker B: It's good. There's. There's, like, little people standing on one of these buildings going, ah, it's crazy. Absolutely wild. [01:09:22] Speaker A: Yeah. And then for 20 more hours, they walk in silence. [01:09:26] Speaker B: Yes, indeed. And then they. They come to the water's edge. Like, I don't know what water we're talking about. [01:09:32] Speaker A: Have some hell water. [01:09:34] Speaker B: It's obviously not the river Styx, because you have to cross the river Styx to get to hell. [01:09:38] Speaker A: No, it's just the lake Styx. It's some other lake. [01:09:41] Speaker B: I don't know. It's where the Malbolgia had his. His summer cottage or something. [01:09:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I can see that. [01:09:48] Speaker B: But then they. They get to the water, and then spawn realizes, as. As Wanda just floats over it, that she has become something other than what he knew her as. So much as his death changed him fundamentally, her death has changed her in a fundamentally other direction. [01:10:06] Speaker A: Because she can float above the water and he can't. Then they take each other's hands. [01:10:11] Speaker B: Yeah. And she's like, may God help you. And he says, God abandoned me long ago. I won't do the same to you, or I hope you won't do the same. [01:10:19] Speaker A: This is where they head up to the surface. They leave the dark in place. [01:10:22] Speaker B: Yeah. They take hands, and then they walk into the sparkly light. [01:10:26] Speaker A: And if this is to be our last act, at least it will be together. That's the end of the issue. [01:10:31] Speaker B: And then see the final outcome of Spawn's journey. The double sized spawn number 350. [01:10:35] Speaker A: So listen to the episode from a couple weeks ago. We talked to the Spawn hunter. [01:10:38] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a good one. It's a good episode. It's a good issue. [01:10:41] Speaker A: Good issue. Good episode. What's more to say? [01:10:44] Speaker B: You should probably just go read through 50 now, guys. [01:10:46] Speaker A: Read through 50 now. [01:10:48] Speaker B: Pause this. Go read 350 again. [01:10:50] Speaker A: Then go listen to our episode on it. And we got a spawning round. [01:10:54] Speaker B: Yes, we do. [01:10:55] Speaker A: Mailbag. This time it's. [01:10:58] Speaker B: It's some more. Some more fan art. Mostly. The. The first one is somebody drew a. Their version of a cover for spawn number one. This is Ambryn J. And Thomas Healy is like, hell, yeah, keep it coming. [01:11:12] Speaker A: I like the second letter from Joel because he asked for more Nicks and Jim Downing covers. We definitely need some Nick's covers. [01:11:18] Speaker B: Definitely. [01:11:20] Speaker A: Besides the one sketch COVID variant that's exclusive to Todd McFarlane exploits that Ty was talking about. [01:11:26] Speaker B: Yeah, Nick's covers, Matt. Guess for Jim Downing. I imagine that for Jim Downing, they should take inspiration from the inhumans covers that always have the lady with the wild hair. And it's just like her in the middle of the. The COVID Just completely hair surrounded by her hair. Jim Downing. Jim Downing covers should just be Jim Downing surrounded by his hair. [01:11:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I like that. Then we got a couple more fan arts. [01:11:53] Speaker B: Yeah, it's just a first one's just some fan art of spawn shooting some green beams. Real nice. [01:12:00] Speaker A: You like that? [01:12:02] Speaker B: The next one is a bit of toy photography with that badass Ravenspawn action figure. Yeah, those were Stan and Jordan B. From UK respectively. [01:12:12] Speaker A: Then we get ads. The upcoming spawn issues. [01:12:14] Speaker B: Mm hmm. Yes, we do. [01:12:16] Speaker A: Ad for monsters. We've been in here for a couple months now. [01:12:19] Speaker B: Yes, indeed. Then the page punchers, the gunslinger, and Auger, little figures that come with spawn 309. [01:12:26] Speaker A: You get a comic book, you get two figures. What's not to love? [01:12:29] Speaker B: And that's it. There's an ad for Kingspawn 31 on the back. Boom, man. [01:12:35] Speaker A: That's Kingswan 30. [01:12:37] Speaker B: Good. I wish that's how long it took to walk through hell. It would be very easy. [01:12:41] Speaker A: Easy breezy. No, that was great. I love that. I love this one. [01:12:45] Speaker B: It's good. It's a nice little meditative piece. It's coming off the. It's another largely one of those tone poems like you were talking about. And it's just, it's Al's journey, like, figuratively, metaphorically, and physically across the planes of hell. [01:13:03] Speaker A: I'm just showing the histories of each of the characters, the big images and the little side things. It's really cool. [01:13:10] Speaker B: It's almost kind of like they turned king Spawn in the lead up to 350 into just a series of. Previously on Spawn. [01:13:19] Speaker A: Right. [01:13:20] Speaker B: Yeah. But they do it in a much more evocative and. And emotional way than just a clip show device. [01:13:29] Speaker A: Sure. [01:13:29] Speaker B: That brings us. That brings us to the part of the show where I'm still upset that that lady rated Mayhew is a two. Johnny, I told, I told the vet about them raiding a mayhew at two out of ten. [01:13:41] Speaker A: Oh, at c two, e two. [01:13:42] Speaker B: At c, two e, two. And the vet was incensed. Absolutely. But it's time to rate the puppies. John. [01:13:49] Speaker A: It's time to rate the puppies. So first up today we had spawn 21, kind of like your good classic spawn, where you get like three or four different threads kind of woven together. Good fight in the alley, great art. It's good to see Todd McFarlane back, but he's doing his classic stuff with the cops, with the mobsters, all of his favorite things. [01:14:14] Speaker B: Get a nice little touch base with all the major characters going on. Terry and Wanda, Sam and twitch, Jason Nguyen. [01:14:20] Speaker A: Yeah. And this is what I really, this is what got me into spawn, these early stuff, because, I mean, besides king Spawn, when I started reading the compendiums, because I like how serialized it is and connected it is. Especially just like, you have all these little threads. And it's good to kind of get back to the status quo after the Graham Morrison stuff. Miniseries. But I don't know. I really like this issue. I'm going to give it four corded telephones. [01:14:47] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. Just wrapping it around your finger while you talk. [01:14:52] Speaker A: Yep. [01:14:52] Speaker B: I absolutely agree, Johnny. It's this classic, this classic, vibrant toddfather art that is just so, so much of what made me fall in love with Spawn in the first place. So much of what made a lot of people fall in love with Spawn in the first place. Goofy is all, get out. This is one of the. [01:15:13] Speaker A: Oh, it's a hoot. [01:15:13] Speaker B: This is one of the goofiest issues we've covered that doesn't just devolve into puerile nonsense. [01:15:20] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. You get the bit at the beginning with the shoelace. Introduce your shoelace, spawn. That's big. [01:15:25] Speaker B: Yeah. And Bobby. And, you know, the major thing that I get out of this issue is it shows Spawn actually connecting with one of the people who live in Red Alley. He's like, he's not just the brooding guy in the corner anymore. He's actually making these connections, and it. It strengthens his I'm protecting these men kind of vibes that he has for a little bit going on here. Yeah, it's fantastic. It's fantastic. I love it. I love. I love that it ties in so many other issues from. From this particular series, from spin off series, from other series entirely. It's. It's real good. I'm gonna give it. I'm gonna give it four absolutely disgusting shoes stolen from the dorks on 52nd. [01:16:11] Speaker A: Steal those shoes for those dorks. Nice, man. [01:16:14] Speaker B: That is a bad shoe. [01:16:16] Speaker A: It's a bad shoe. [01:16:18] Speaker B: Yeah. I feel my arches aching just looking at it. [01:16:21] Speaker A: I can smell it. I feel like I can smell it from here. Yeah, this is a fun issue. I'm glad to get toddfather back for a little bit, get back into it. Second issue was King Spawn 30, written by toddfather, not drawn as we know, drawn by the great Javi Fernandez. I really like this issue. Like, I know I've been kind of down on the Todd father's run on King Spawn, but this one's probably one of my favorites. It just kind of does a good, like, recap, tone poem, setting, resetting, getting ready to move on to 350. And I love the art, obviously. I mean, Javi Fernandez is always killing it, but I just like the style of having these big portraits of these main players. I thought that was really cool way to do it. And it's just poignant, you know, love lost and all that kind of stuff. You know, it shows a lot of restraint from the toddfather too. Just, like, odds, really. Restrained and more serious. And I enjoy to see that you can do this and do gunslingers. That's, you know, people that say he's not a good writer. I would show him this issue and be like, I don't know about that, sir, because this is a great issue. I'm gonna give it four and a half flying demons in the hellscape. [01:17:33] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. I agree with you, Johnny. It is, first off, a work by Mister Javi Fernandez. [01:17:40] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. 100,000%. [01:17:42] Speaker B: So wonderfully, wonderfully depicted. All of this stuff. The writing from the toddfather, like you said, restrained. I like that. Even though it's got, you know, the. The narration boxes. The narration boxes are largely dialogue from off panel. [01:18:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:18:04] Speaker B: So he is literally letting Al and Wanda speak for themselves instead of then going over and being like, this is what they're doing. And it's. It's. It's very not. It's not very toddfathery, but it is very, very good spawn. That's not to say that the toddfather doesn't know how to write spawn, because obviously, he's been writing spawn for 30 years. He created the ding dang guy. But, yeah, I would agree. Excellent writing. Art is beautiful. I love the nice little recap of the. Right before the action of 350. [01:18:45] Speaker A: Yeah, it works really well. [01:18:47] Speaker B: It's a very. It's a very good bit of emotional work. And I am. I also agree on your score, Johnny. I'm gonna give it four and a half. Little pains. [01:18:57] Speaker A: Little what? [01:18:59] Speaker B: Little pains. [01:19:00] Speaker A: Oh, pains. When he stretches, he gets the pain. Pain, pain, pain. [01:19:04] Speaker B: Yeah, stretching. [01:19:08] Speaker A: Yeah, I love that a little bit. It's funny. [01:19:10] Speaker B: So good. Yeah, it's. That's, like, the only little bit of levity in this. [01:19:15] Speaker A: You get a little bit. [01:19:16] Speaker B: It's great. It's. I like that they. They kind of just put it as a throwaway at the beginning when. When, you know, it's. It's not gotten too deep, and then once it starts getting, like, actually heavy and emotional, they're just like, no jokes. No jokes. And they. They keep that serious tone throughout the end, and it's beautiful. [01:19:40] Speaker A: Yeah. What else is beautiful, David? Our friends on Instagram. [01:19:44] Speaker B: Hell, yeah, they are. [01:19:45] Speaker A: Of which we have many. And each week, we like to shout somebody out. [01:19:51] Speaker B: We sure do. [01:19:52] Speaker A: This week is no different. And today, it would be strange if this. [01:19:57] Speaker B: It would be strange if this week were different. We would say, we love all these beautiful people on our Instagram community, and then they could go fuck themselves. That would be. That would be a wild tonal shift. But now we've got a. We've got a, we got a good friend that we're gonna. We want to shout out today. Funny enough, Johnny. Their name is Brian, but not that Brian, but their name is Brian, and they're at the Spawn alley. We've been in the alley this whole episode, Johnny. [01:20:25] Speaker A: They're perfect. Perfect person to follow. [01:20:27] Speaker B: Perfect person to follow. They've. They've got. They say that they. They collect all sorts of pop culture stuff, but they're mostly invested in Spawn. And, well, you know, they've. They've only been around for a little bit of time. Uh, but they've got, like, 90% spawn stuff. It's great. It's good. Yeah, it's a good, good amount of stuff. They got the violator chopper, Johnny. [01:20:49] Speaker A: They've got some big, big wolf action figure that spawned, like, werewolf I didn't know existed. [01:20:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:20:58] Speaker A: Oh, that's cool. They got a lot of good stuff. [01:21:02] Speaker B: Yeah, they got a little. They got a little spawn action figure riding around in a spawn mobile. It's pretty great. Yeah, they're good. Go follow them. [01:21:11] Speaker A: Yeah, give a follow. [01:21:13] Speaker B: Also, while you're over there, you should follow the other Brian. Brian Boyles, 27. He does our music. He's also a very beautiful man. [01:21:22] Speaker A: Yep. Give him some love. Give him a follow. Thank you so much, Brian, for the music. If you want to follow us, we are at regardingspawnpod, and we're posting our pickups, reels, episode drops, all kinds of stuff. So see some pictures from c two. E two we did a few weeks ago. [01:21:41] Speaker B: Yep. [01:21:41] Speaker A: A lot of fun stuff. [01:21:43] Speaker B: It's a super fun time. You can reach out to us there. You can hang out with us on the Instagram, you know, comment on our stuff, ask us questions by a DM. Or if you don't have Instagram or prefer to feel more professional about it, you can always send us an email.com, send us questions, send us comments, send us pictures, send us your address so that we can send you some stickers, you know. [01:22:04] Speaker A: Yeah, send us your address, and we'll send you some stickers. Each week, I like to ask a question just to kind of, you know, spur any interest in answering an email, but this week, get those email juices going. This week, I'd like to ask, what do you think of shoelace head spawn? Do you prefer a shoelace or a laceless spawn? Which is. I imagine that kind of probably depends on what you grew up with. I'm just curious what people would say if they prefer the laced head or the unlaced head. I like them both. I like the laced head just to mix it up, but it's fun to have both. [01:22:44] Speaker B: I like the laced head as a very particular variant. That is not the going concern. I like that it kind of follows a thing and then ends. Yes. I don't like to. So, like, for an action figure, I would prefer to have not shoelace spawn versus having a shoelace spawn. But if I had to have a shoelace spawn. Yeah. You know, worse things could happen. I could lose a foot. [01:23:11] Speaker A: Oh, wow. Yeah. That would be terrible. [01:23:13] Speaker B: That would be bad. You ain't shoelace in that back on very easily. No, you'd have to have a shoelace. [01:23:19] Speaker A: Maybe that shoe they stole to get the shoelace from has a foot in it. [01:23:23] Speaker B: I have a friend who is obsessed with feet or shoes watching up on the beach with feet in them, and so he sets a google alert for shoe with foot and on beach, and every time it comes up, he's always like, ah, another one. [01:23:38] Speaker A: Okay. That's a very specific thing to watch for. [01:23:42] Speaker B: Yeah, well, it's. It's. It's funny because usually, if. If a body. Not to get very dour on this bit, but if a body falls into the water and decomposes, the foot will usually remain in the shoe because the shoe protects it. So. So the rest of the leg is less protected than the foot is. So there's probably always gonna be a foot in that shoe if you find it on the beach. [01:24:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:24:09] Speaker B: It's a morbid thing to think about. That ocean is basically dead people soup, but it's also dead whale soup, and it's dead everything. [01:24:16] Speaker A: Soup and lego soup. Yeah, all those legos in there. [01:24:21] Speaker B: And it's basically plastic tea, because that plastic island is basically seeping its delicious juices into the. We love it, Johnny. I just made myself very depressed about the state of our world with regard to its ability to continue to hold on to life, and I need to pick me up. What's the best way to pick me up, Johnny? Probably more spawn. Yeah. [01:24:48] Speaker A: Let's read some more for next week. [01:24:50] Speaker B: What do you. What can I pet myself up on? [01:24:53] Speaker A: So we're gonna go into the next issue of the classic spawn. We'll be at spawn 22. [01:24:58] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. [01:24:58] Speaker A: And then we're gonna have some fun hobby action with Gunslinger 29. [01:25:02] Speaker B: Oh, man, that's. That's gonna boo my spirits to no end. [01:25:06] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. We got the new gunslinger. It's post 350. [01:25:09] Speaker B: Does that mean we get to talk about old Linder. [01:25:12] Speaker A: I think we do. [01:25:13] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. [01:25:14] Speaker A: Linder. [01:25:15] Speaker B: Old Linder. [01:25:16] Speaker A: No more Carl. [01:25:18] Speaker B: Sorry, Carl. [01:25:18] Speaker A: Bye, Carl. [01:25:19] Speaker B: I wish I were more sad about that, but I don't wish I was poor sad one of the two he happened. He's fine. Worst things could happen. Yeah. [01:25:29] Speaker A: So, Spawn, 22 and gunslinger, 29. [01:25:33] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. So excited to read those and come back in a week and talk about it, Johnny. [01:25:38] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:25:39] Speaker B: It'll be real nice. Be real nice. Don't. Don't forget to also read along with us. But in addition to that, like us everywhere. You can like us. Instagram your podcatchers. Subscribe to us everywhere. Absolutely everywhere. Rate. [01:25:55] Speaker A: Review. Subscribe. [01:25:56] Speaker B: Yeah, write us a review. We haven't gotten a review in a while, and I miss seeing them. I miss seeing them. They're real good. [01:26:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:26:05] Speaker B: But, yeah, just want to say Johnny, love you, Johnny. [01:26:10] Speaker A: Love you, too. [01:26:12] Speaker B: Love you, sponverts. [01:26:13] Speaker A: We love everybody. [01:26:14] Speaker B: I love you, spawn, Sam and twitch. [01:26:16] Speaker A: I love you, Todd. [01:26:18] Speaker B: Father, I love you. Good night, Moon. Good night, Malbolgia skull. Good night, new queen of hell. [01:26:25] Speaker A: I think Johnny goodnight, shoelace. [01:26:28] Speaker B: Good night. Good night. Good night, terrible shoe that we stole from the dorks on 52nd. I think Johnny, I have just goodnight mooned myself into running out of things to say, which means the only thing I have left to say, johnny, is good night. May the scorched be with you. [01:26:45] Speaker A: And also with you, David. [01:26:47] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. [01:26:48] Speaker A: All right, I gotta go do the dishes, so I'm gonna make sure to not wash my pan. [01:26:53] Speaker B: Wash your goddamn skillet. [01:26:54] Speaker A: No, I'm not gonna do it. I would keep it dirty, like that shoe from 52nd street in the issue. [01:27:01] Speaker B: I could smell your skillet from here. We can leave. We can. We can leave. We can leave the rant at home if we need to. [01:27:48] Speaker A: Please be corrupted. I'm kidding. [01:27:50] Speaker B: No, I stand. I stand by it. I was watching. I watched my cast iron skillet this morning.