Episode 134 - Spawn Kills Every Spawn 5, with Guest Rob "Sketchcraft" Duenas!

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome, friends. The end of our miniseries. The climax of our grand adventure. We all know what happens next, right? What's going to unfold on the following pages. I mean, it's in the title, right? Spawn. That's me. Kills every Spawn. Good evening and welcome to the Malibu. This is regarding Spawn, the world's best Spawn podcast. I'm your co host, John Fisher. [00:00:55] Speaker B: And I am your co host, David Williams. And Johnny, I know that technically this episode will come out no longer in National Poetry Month, but since we are recording it still in National Poetry Month, I figured I'd write us a haiku for the occasion. [00:01:13] Speaker A: Okay. [00:01:14] Speaker C: All right. [00:01:14] Speaker A: Wow. You see, you've been so poetic this month, David. [00:01:17] Speaker B: You've really taken to the next level. Now maybe I should have done that professionally. So here it goes. [00:01:23] Speaker A: Yeah, it's easy to get into it. [00:01:25] Speaker B: It's a great. It's lucrative. Don't have to worry about bills ever again. But here we go. Johnny, behind you. See, dude, there's somebody there. Wonder who it is. [00:01:40] Speaker C: Oh, is that me? Is that me? [00:01:43] Speaker A: Is that the end of the haiku? [00:01:44] Speaker B: That is the end of the haiku, yes. [00:01:46] Speaker C: Okay. Okay. [00:01:47] Speaker A: Welcome. Yeah, we have a guest today, everybody coming back for the second appearance on the show. We've got Rob's guest Craft. Dwayne is here. [00:01:56] Speaker B: I'm here. [00:01:57] Speaker C: I've come to talk of these Spawns. And then I'll disappear from your life forever. [00:02:02] Speaker B: Welcome, welcome. Well, I mean, never better. Better to have loved than Lost, as they say, right? [00:02:07] Speaker C: Yeah, sure. I'll take that one. [00:02:12] Speaker A: Yeah. Thanks for so much for coming back and doing the final issue of this little miniseries with us. Well received miniseries. Seems like the Spawn community really, really enjoyed it. So you think, you think. I think so. [00:02:24] Speaker C: Okay. All right. [00:02:26] Speaker A: For the circles we run in, like the ones on Instagram, I don't go on Reddit much, so I don't know what they're saying. [00:02:33] Speaker C: I would not go there. [00:02:34] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, that's probably for the best. [00:02:37] Speaker C: Awesome. It's good to hear. [00:02:39] Speaker A: No, it seems like it. Yeah, there's. There's much call. I've seen multiple people call out for a Chibi Spawn action figure, so. [00:02:47] Speaker C: Hey, man, with these tariffs, will we ever have any action figures ever again? That's true. It's like the worst time to like ask for an action figure, you know? Hey, Todd, you know, like, you could push for. [00:02:59] Speaker B: You could push for the smaller ones. I actually really like the smaller ones, so maybe I'll just have a whole bunch of little tiny guys now. [00:03:05] Speaker C: It would Be cool if Todd had done like Micro machines with spawn little playsets and little mini. Right? Yeah, yeah. [00:03:12] Speaker B: He should have gotten into like the gotcha pond at the front of the grocery store. He could have gotten like little homies spawns. That would have been amazing. [00:03:21] Speaker A: I love anything that was like micro machine back. Like, I love the action fleet of Star wars back in the day. Those were cool. And I think they had a bunch of Lost World like Matchbox playsets. I had a couple of. [00:03:31] Speaker C: Well, as I know you gentlemen always love to just detour off into the ether. I listen. I listen to the show. I would say this I really wanted. I wasn't a fan of the cartoon. I wasn't a fan of the cartoon, but I did like the video game. So I thought the, the turtle van would have just made an excellent Micro machine fold out playset with a little sewer that would pop up. Right. Like they already. [00:03:55] Speaker B: They already had a regular van. They could have just spiced up the regular van playset. [00:04:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:04:00] Speaker B: Know, that would have been incredible. [00:04:01] Speaker C: Fold it open, have a little sewer set. Little clamp foot clan versus. You know, like it just always made sense that they would all fit in there. Like it. I could never figure out why that. That didn't get done. [00:04:11] Speaker B: You know, you could even have a dump truck that squishes shredder. Oh, man, that would be so cool. [00:04:17] Speaker A: They wouldn't have. That would be based off the cartoon, David, not the movie. [00:04:21] Speaker B: Boo. Oh. I mean, this cartoon was still kicked ass, man. [00:04:24] Speaker C: Well, I don't know if you guys are old enough to remember the play D'oh. Fun Factory. But that's how like I used to like squeeze a shredder. I would. We put a. We pretend there and squeeze them out. You know, Mind you, I'm in the seventh grade. I think when that comes out, my. You know, I had like two friends who were up for that kind of. [00:04:43] Speaker A: I remember, I remember it was. I bought toys up till high school, just like all the McFarland stuff. And then in the 2000s and things. [00:04:50] Speaker C: Like that, much to my dad's chagrin. I never stop. [00:04:55] Speaker A: I had a break period and now, now it's back, so. [00:04:58] Speaker C: Right. So when are you gonna grow out of this? I'm like, just as soon as you stop dating strippers. And he's like, yeah. So, you know, we each have our hobbies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't like the movie, but I did like how at the time they released those like rubbery turtles figures. So they felt kind of like the movie suits you. Know which? [00:05:19] Speaker A: Yeah, they feel real. Yeah. Those are cool. [00:05:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:22] Speaker B: And you can. A couple of years ago, the of the suits went up for auction. And it is one of the most terrifying things I have ever seen. [00:05:29] Speaker C: Well, well, as you all know, There's a Fantastic Four movie coming out this year. And in the 90s, there was a Fantastic Four movie. They had the Thing suit at Comic Con. Right. They never released the movie, but the Thing suit was there. And it turns out that the Thing mask, the actual animatronics running it was a broken Donatello mask from Turtles, too. Yeah, they got. Yeah, the little man. The things you learn right here. Spawn podcast. [00:05:57] Speaker B: The Roger Corman way of saving money, man. [00:06:02] Speaker C: As if the animatronics on Turtles 2 weren't lame enough. Let's take the broken ones. [00:06:08] Speaker A: I always like the feel real skin on the Jurassic park dinosaurs. Like the T. Rex had the feel real skin. That was cool. [00:06:16] Speaker B: How is that age that real feel skin? Does it like. [00:06:19] Speaker A: If it's anything like my collector's edition Necronomicon not. Well, nothing crumbled. It was like the DVD released, like 2001 or two. That was like a rubbery skin. It is completely disintegrated. [00:06:30] Speaker B: So sad. Because it was. It was awesome. It was an awesome little thing. [00:06:34] Speaker A: Well, you know what else was an awesome little thing? And also a book. And also could possibly summon Deadites. [00:06:39] Speaker B: What's that, Jenny? [00:06:41] Speaker A: It's Spawn Kills every spawn number five. [00:06:43] Speaker B: Oh. [00:06:44] Speaker A: Which is what we're doing today. And what we are is we are respawn Retro Week. We bring you two issues from Spawn's universe. Except when we don't. And this is one of the times that we don't. Because we have a guest, and we only do one when we got a guest. And that's the way it is. It's free anyway, so don't complain. [00:07:03] Speaker B: We'd be here for like, four and a half hours if we had to get through two. Ish. [00:07:07] Speaker A: Right, Right. But yeah. So that's what we're doing today. We're excited to circle back around to the end of Spawn. Kills every Spawn. [00:07:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Awesome. [00:07:18] Speaker A: And where do we always start, David? [00:07:19] Speaker B: We always start with the covers. And, Johnny, I know you have the A cover and I've got the B cover. [00:07:25] Speaker A: Nice. [00:07:26] Speaker B: Nice. [00:07:27] Speaker A: Perfect. [00:07:29] Speaker B: Because It's a John McCrae cover, and I will get the John McCrae cover. There's a John McCrae cover. Sorry, Rob. [00:07:36] Speaker C: I got them all, man. So, you know, they send me all the variants. [00:07:40] Speaker A: That's great. [00:07:41] Speaker B: That's exciting. [00:07:42] Speaker A: But yeah, the A cover is by Rob here, and it's Chibi Spawn on his recliner S throne. Kind of a fun take on Spawn on his throne. [00:07:54] Speaker B: Yeah, it's got bits of all the spawns sticking out of it. So very much like the original throne that the Unhomed men made him in the alley. Made of a whole bunch of body parts that they found in the alley. The hell it has body parts, but specifically spawn body parts. [00:08:12] Speaker C: Yeah. The theory on this one, I thought. Well, I sent them a few ideas on this cover, and I think by this time. Look, I'll be honest. I think by this time, Todd wasn't feeling my cover ideas. He seemed to be like, your covers are too busy. But, you know, and I'm like, all right, you know, So I gave him, like, four ideas. One was this game of Thrones, like, you know, with body parts kind of thing, you know, and then some fighting poses. Just random fighting stuff between Chibi and Chibi Chibulator. I did one with, like, a crane game where, like, Chibi spawns running a little. He's operating the claw, and the claw's coming down to get, like, the chibilator, and, like, a bunch of toys are in there. And. And then I did one I think was, like, the Grave of Chibispawn, you know, with, like, chibilators kind of standing over it, laughing or something. But Todd was like, I think we wanted the throne one now. I did one initially that actually had, like, a giant. Remember that scythe from, like, issue three? He had, like, the giant side? Yeah, yeah. I drew that on the back, too, so it was, like, all you could. So you could see. That's how, like, he hacked them all up. But for some reason, Ty was like, yeah, make it bigger. Everything's too small. It's hard to read. Can't see it from a distance. There's this theory that people buy comic covers from across the comic book store now. And I don't. I've never. I've heard this theory since I was a kid. I've never fully experienced this. I've never been, like, across a comic book store. I'm like, oh, I can run over and grab that one. Tend to. I tend to design covers around color, you know, like, if you. If you're. If you got. If you're browsing the stands and you got a white, black, red, red, red, black, maybe a yellow or a teal or a purple cover will just catch your eye. Right? That's kind of like, absolutely. And so I really wanted green on this And I. Again, I. I don't think he likes green. Like, I could just say I don't think anyone over there was too happy with this cover. Like, I. I rarely. I say that, you know, But I'm just gonna be honest. I don't think they're too happy with this one. And I've heard some of the people online go, not my favorite cover. So for some reason, this one. This one didn't do it. I. I thought it was fun. You know, personally, I think it's a great cover, but I. Then again, I drew it and designed it, so I'm biased. You know what I mean? Yeah. [00:10:32] Speaker B: But, no, I think it's. I think it's fun. [00:10:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:36] Speaker B: And it's also got a skull. It's got Johnny's favorite things bones. [00:10:39] Speaker C: Well, it's also not to the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. He's wearing purple, and he's got the crown, and there's green back there, you know, because I. I really always. Like, I wanted. Like I told you, I always saw Terry and Wanda being Hillary and DJ Jazzy Jeff, you know? And so to me, Spawn. Spawn should have been Will Smith, right? And this would have been, like, the son of Will Smith or something, right? Like the little. The little guy. [00:11:06] Speaker B: Does that make Malbolia Uncle Phil? [00:11:09] Speaker C: Yes. [00:11:09] Speaker B: And then Uncle Phil, he was Shredder. [00:11:11] Speaker C: He was Shredder in the Turtles cartoon Uncle Phil. So I think this all. It all works together. [00:11:17] Speaker B: I now need a little scene of Malbolia picking up Terry Fitzgerald and throwing him at the door. [00:11:23] Speaker C: And Chibulator should be Martin Lawrence, right? Chibulator should be Martin Lawrence. Like, old school. [00:11:30] Speaker A: I love it, too, because it's got a Toy Story reference, so can't not love that. [00:11:34] Speaker B: Yeah, it's great. The name on the foot there. [00:11:36] Speaker A: Yep. [00:11:37] Speaker C: Oh, right. Yeah, that. That. That's in every issue. Like, if he. [00:11:41] Speaker A: I've noticed it for sure. [00:11:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:43] Speaker A: But it's nice up front and center there. [00:11:45] Speaker C: Some people think that's Todd's signature, as in he drew it to Todd ink this or what do you do? I'm like, no, it's all right, guys. You know what I mean? Like, I know I'm the guy always defending audiences. When I hear, like, executives say things like, audiences are dumb, you know, I'm like, no, they're not. They're incredibly smart. Don't stop saying that. And then I get those comments, and I'm like, well. [00:12:07] Speaker B: Well, I mean, maybe not understanding diet Diegesis. Is that how you say it, Johnny? [00:12:15] Speaker A: I don't Know you're the word mistake. [00:12:17] Speaker B: Like, it's because it's. [00:12:18] Speaker C: It's that a Ron L. Hubbard book. Like, is that. [00:12:22] Speaker A: Yeah, it sounds like it. [00:12:24] Speaker B: No, it's because it's. It's a signature that's part of the. The piece itself and isn't the signature signature. So it's like. Well, like music and musicals would be diegetic because it's part of the story and not laid over afterward. [00:12:38] Speaker A: I think diegetic is the way you say it. [00:12:40] Speaker B: So it would be a diegetic signature. That's fun. That's always fun. But then cover B is Johnny for. For Johnny to see. Whoop, whoop. It's just. [00:12:49] Speaker A: I got my phone. [00:12:50] Speaker B: Okay. Chibi Spawn drinking some milk over the grave of a bunch of dead spawns. And Batty is holding on to a spinal column. Or Buddy. Sorry, buddy. Not Betty. [00:13:03] Speaker C: Buddy. Betty. Betty would be his girlfriend. Oh, I should write that one down. Good. Good job, guys. Thanks. [00:13:10] Speaker B: Yeah. Excellent. Well, we now know the. The entire storyline of Spawn kills every Spawn again. Because they can't. They can't go right back to two because then you'll get. Spawn kills every one too. And Spawn kills every spawn on Too mixed up. [00:13:27] Speaker C: No, you won't. [00:13:31] Speaker B: Comics aren't confusing in any way, shape or form. [00:13:33] Speaker C: You're right. Well, you know. [00:13:35] Speaker A: Yeah. He's like standing over the grave. You've got. Looks like medieval. [00:13:40] Speaker B: You've definitely got the big right foot. So you know Albert Simmons is down there. [00:13:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:45] Speaker B: You've got wings. So probably Angel Spawn. [00:13:52] Speaker A: Yeah. Or maybe Redeemer. [00:13:53] Speaker C: What are you. Oh, yeah, yeah. In the McCrea Cup. Yeah, I think too, man. What's kind of fun about this one is, is the milk, like drinking the milk. I almost wish there was a way to put like missing. You know what I mean? Spawn on the. [00:14:07] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. That's what I thought. Yeah, that's what I thought. The. The little picture underneath. Whole milk. 100 was right. I'm going to assume that's it looks like a dog. But I don't know if there's supposed to be a dog on the milk bottle. [00:14:21] Speaker C: It could be a cow spawn cap spawn the mubolgia. Right. I know. [00:14:31] Speaker B: Okay. I'm. I would buy that book immediately. [00:14:35] Speaker C: I'm keeping active notes. This is a good research. I could write this podcast off as work related now. [00:14:41] Speaker B: I mean, D.C. every once in a while puts out those like the. The animal superheroes one shots. We. There could be a. An animal spawn one shots. [00:14:52] Speaker A: I mean there's dog spawn There is Dog Spawn. [00:14:54] Speaker B: There's Dog Spawn in this issue, actually. [00:14:56] Speaker C: We'll let. We'll let Jed draw it. How about that one? [00:14:59] Speaker B: Well, no, yeah, you could. You could have a like little multiple small stories done by creative teams. And Jet could have the dog spawn section. [00:15:07] Speaker C: There you go. [00:15:08] Speaker B: That would be great. Speaking. Speaking of credits, though, Johnny gotta give. [00:15:12] Speaker A: Credit where credit's due. [00:15:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:14] Speaker A: So. And pop this maybe open. We got script plot by John Layman, art by Rob Sketchcraft. Awes. [00:15:21] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [00:15:21] Speaker A: Color by Robert Nugent. [00:15:23] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:15:23] Speaker A: Lettering by John Layman. [00:15:25] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [00:15:26] Speaker A: We already covered the covers. Creative director is Todd McFarland and editor in chief is Mr. Thomas Healy. [00:15:35] Speaker C: An uncredited and uncredited. On this issue. And I always say it because, blame me if you don't like it, is this issue. I did full color guides. [00:15:47] Speaker B: Oh, nice. [00:15:48] Speaker C: For the whole thing. Yeah, all the way through. And really it was because Robert moved to some of the main books, like King of, King of Spawn, Kingspawn, I think even the main book. Covering the main book. So I could. I could. When he was telling me that, I'm like, oh, he's going to be busy. [00:16:05] Speaker A: So. [00:16:06] Speaker C: So I just, you know, I can do. They're very accurate to what you see in the final. Like if you. When you see the. The color guys, like, if you squint, you'd be like, oh, that. That just looks like the final stuff. It isn't. He's did a much better job at rendering and cleaning it up. But. But yeah, it's very color accurate. And then I can do. Can do three or four pages a day. I think they take me about three hours to, you know, kind of figure it all out. So. But yeah, that's. The whole issue is sort of color guided ahead of time. So he was able to just kind of go in and not have to do the mental gymnastics of figuring out all this art, you know. [00:16:47] Speaker A: Yeah, it's cool. [00:16:48] Speaker B: It's a. It's a. An oft overlooked part is the. The colorists. [00:16:53] Speaker C: Well, that's. That's the problem. That's the shame. Like, so in the 90s, right, when digital colorings really kicks off, even with Spawn and before that, I mean, Steve Olive, you know, was at D.C. and everything else. But the colorist like Steve Ol, they would do Bright Hamilton. They would do physical color guides. So they would print out the inks and they would hand paint them. Joe Chido would do. And I did a whole episode on Joe Chido's color guides. I own like a few of these things and they're very well done. But then they would be handed to color separators. So if you look in the credits, those first hundred issues of Spawn, you see color separate. So the separators were the Photoshop guys who would look at this and then go and, you know, using their lasso tools or whatever tools they were using because they didn't have an extensive brush set back in the day, they would follow that color guide as best they could, you know, because there was limitations. So that really allowed someone to just focus on designing the whole issue color wise. And then the people doing the task to do the, you know, they could do it faster, basically. Could be done faster. Three people now, colorists, they're all doing it themselves. Maybe they, they, they usually, they freelance out color guides to someone. You know, color guides, color flats out to like, you know, there's different people, there's people, different countries that tend to do it because it doesn't pay much, sadly. But that's a very tedious thing. Flatting is where they separate out each character by like a base color, you know, so they can do selections and it's a whole tedious thing. But it doesn't, yeah, it doesn't allow for much time to color design. You have to do it on the fly. And I always felt that's so unfair to one the books and a colorist because a lot of those guys can really paint. But sometimes because of those deadlines, they're spending most of their time just rendering characters and getting through the bulk of it. They're not, they're not really afforded much design time, you know, so. Yeah, so I thought, well, I, you know, I know I got the time. So, you know, because I, I quoted them at a certain page rate per week, so I was, I could just do the color guys, right, and, and take the, the, the heavy thought. And if Rob didn't like him, he could always tell me, oh, whatever, this doesn't work. I could always tweak it. But yeah, so that, I think that, that, that helped this particular issue get a sense of its own color design compared to maybe some of the other issues which, you know, you could sort of tell sometimes. I, you know, I could tell when someone's getting overworked and colorist, man, they have to take a lot of bulk work. So I just think they don't get enough love in the industry right now. It's colors, you know, they're doing a. [00:19:29] Speaker A: Lot of heavy spotlight on them. [00:19:31] Speaker B: That's a, that's a, that's a man. I already I already knew that comics were a big production to make, but all of. All of these, like, every time I learn about another process within the process, it's just like, oh, my goodness. [00:19:44] Speaker C: And then you just turn the page, like, in 30 seconds, you're like, boring. Sucks, crap. Just like The Joker in Batman 89. Right. [00:19:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:54] Speaker C: Right. That was 30 hours of effort. Nope. [00:20:01] Speaker A: We can definitely tell. Oh, yeah. I didn't do the previously on. Yeah, Previously. And Spawn kills every spawn. This is it. I finally do it. I kill Spawn in this issue. Nice. [00:20:14] Speaker B: Very nice. It's a spoiler. They should have put a spoiler. [00:20:18] Speaker C: Spoilers. Spoilers. Right. [00:20:21] Speaker A: Which is funny enough, not uncommon. Like, they've spoiled the names of characters that they reveal in the issue. Their names in the previously on Before. So it's. It's. There actually have been spoilers in the previously on. A couple of times. [00:20:35] Speaker C: I think in one issue, we had a previously from another book. Like, that was hilarious. [00:20:41] Speaker B: That's. That's happened a couple of times. [00:20:43] Speaker C: I was like, that's funny. Like, I love it. I love that stuff. You know? Like, I live for it. [00:20:50] Speaker B: Well, what is living on this page is not a lot of Spawns. There's only one spawn living on this page. This first splash page with the Chibi spawn sitting in a. Like, a trophy room. Like, he's a big game hunter, only the big game has been spawns. And so his walls are just decorated with taxidermied spawn heads. [00:21:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:10] Speaker B: Which sounds like a lot of fun. I like that they each have, like, a special. It's not just, like the. The standard wooden shield baseplate for the head. They all have. They're all stylized. [00:21:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:26] Speaker B: According to who it is. It's real fun. [00:21:29] Speaker C: Yeah. John, I believe, in the script, pointed out Omega spawn, and I think he said the heads of the scorched. I think that was. You know. And then. Rob, do whatever you do. And I'm like, will do. [00:21:41] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't think. I don't think you did very much on this page, sir. I see some. I see some empty carpet that could have been filled building. [00:21:51] Speaker C: Todd. You're just. You're just encouraging Todd now to, like, complain where you gotta put the words, you know? And I'm like, over the art. Over the art. That's fine. [00:22:01] Speaker A: It's fine. [00:22:02] Speaker B: And speaking of Todd, there is a picture of Todd on the mantle. [00:22:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:22:06] Speaker B: Right next to. Right next to Greg Capullo himself. [00:22:10] Speaker C: That's right. [00:22:11] Speaker A: We have the deviant. We have the deviant figure there. [00:22:13] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:22:15] Speaker A: Before it was even released. [00:22:16] Speaker B: And then there's, like, the. The classic. The original. The original sketch of Spawn turned action figure that they made recently. It's real fun. [00:22:26] Speaker C: Yeah. Rad Cities up on there. And then on the wall, I went and redid some wizard covers that had Spawn on it, but I made it Spawn magazine. And then one of them's a J. Scott Campbell cover. And these. I did these all in high res, so trace right over and just redrew everything and recolored it. And so I made Spider Spawn. So, like, he's swinging on ectoplasm webbing, right? Like, that's awesome. And then the. The infamous two moons cover. I did the Batman spawn. Dad spawn or whatever. [00:22:55] Speaker B: Two. Two moons? [00:22:56] Speaker C: Yeah. It's got two moons. [00:22:58] Speaker B: Yeah. I remember hearing a story about that where it was just like, Frank Miller got it first, and he was, like, doing a moon. [00:23:06] Speaker C: I just remember reading it. I was walking back from the comic shop with my buddy. We. We. We crossed through our old elementary school. So we sat down because it's empty. Right. And I'm like. I was just like, this is gonna be dope. And then he was like, dude, there's two moons. I'm like, that's awesome. Right? You know, I never. I don't know. I get. I just. I'm. I'm less. What do you call that? I'm less picky about that stuff. If it just looks cool, I'm. I'm down with it. I don't care. [00:23:34] Speaker B: You are. You are able to suspend your disbelief long enough to enjoy Spotted Batman. [00:23:39] Speaker C: Like, how realistic are we talking about here? Like, are you really doing this? Like, so. And then Angel Spawn cover. Just because I always thought that was cool. And. And actually, I did it because I put. I wanted as much nods to Angela as I could without legally getting in trouble. So the Angel Spawn is right behind the. The staff. The angel staff. So you see, right? [00:24:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:02] Speaker C: You kind of put it all together right there. And then I made. The carpet is the same Angela pattern. Not sure. Ribbons were back in the day. [00:24:09] Speaker A: Oh, I didn't notice the carpet. Yeah, I noticed the staff. But, yeah. Nice. Snuck it by. [00:24:16] Speaker B: Yeah. It's just little Chibby Spawn welcoming us to the end of the story. And he's got a bubbling green drink and a salmon. Twitch cup or mug? [00:24:27] Speaker C: Yeah. I imagine they were a cartoon series. [00:24:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:30] Speaker C: You know, they had their own animated show, like Sam and Twitch Adventures. You know, kind of like X Files for Kids with Sam. Yeah. Or. [00:24:37] Speaker B: Or what was. Oh, we've talked about it before already, there was already a, like, LucasArts game. [00:24:43] Speaker A: Oh, Sam and Max. [00:24:44] Speaker B: Sam and Max. [00:24:45] Speaker C: Yeah. Right, right. Like a point and click. Steve Purcell Pixel. [00:24:50] Speaker B: Oh, man, I would totally. I would totally play a murder mystery game. Like a lucasarts. Sam and Twitch. [00:24:56] Speaker C: I can. I can already see Sam eating the donuts in pixel form. Right? He's doing that. That Monkey island shoe, Right? [00:25:04] Speaker B: Yeah. The crumbs that he creates are important for another puzzle. So you gotta. Gotta have him eat a donut. At some point, you have to use the. [00:25:13] Speaker A: The. You have to use the crumbs to, like, lure a bird, to, like, turn a dial, to, like, find a journal. [00:25:20] Speaker C: Right? You got all those. Those verbs or adjectives or whatever, Right? Those little action words at the bottom. One of them is just eat. Right? You could just randomly eat something. You know, it would say funny things. [00:25:30] Speaker B: I actually. Actually think in Grim Fandango, you have to lure some birds with some breadcrumbs to. [00:25:36] Speaker A: No, you do. [00:25:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:39] Speaker A: It's like one of the first puzzles. I could not figure that out as a kid. I was like, what the. I got that game. So I thought it, like, looked. They like the box art. [00:25:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:25:46] Speaker A: And like, I like LucasArts. And, like, I was so confused. My brother had to help me on that first puzzle until I kind of got the. You had to kind of figure out how the game thought. [00:25:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I spent. I've spent probably hours of my life as Manny just walking around with the unfilled balloon through the lobby of the. Of the hotel, not knowing what the hell I was supposed to do. [00:26:08] Speaker A: That's hilarious. What a great game. [00:26:10] Speaker C: Yeah. I'm a huge Tim Schaefer and Ron Gilbert fan. [00:26:14] Speaker A: So Chibi Spawn basically says you turn the page. He's like. Well, he says with the opening quote, you know, he's gonna kill every spawn that's in the title, right? [00:26:22] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Spoilers. Two spoilers in a row in sequential. Sequential pages. Johnny. How dare they? [00:26:28] Speaker A: Well, you're wrong. [00:26:30] Speaker B: What? What? [00:26:31] Speaker A: Turn the page and it's wrong. [00:26:32] Speaker B: Wrong. [00:26:33] Speaker A: And Chibi Spawn kind of has a little tantrum here. [00:26:36] Speaker B: I love a little Chibi Spawn tantrum. [00:26:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:41] Speaker B: And I do love the. The. The homage and the immediate addressing of the homage for the. The monster at the end of this book. So good. I. That that book was like. We left it at my grandmother's house, so the only. [00:26:57] Speaker C: Ever. [00:26:58] Speaker B: The only time we ever got to read it was at my grandmother's house. But it was one of my favorite books, so. Yeah. Got a lot of fun memories. The Monster at the end of this book. The Grover. Sesame. [00:27:09] Speaker A: Oh, the Grove one you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, the one he mentions. Yeah. Or reference to. [00:27:14] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. John came up with that one. It was a great idea. Yeah. [00:27:19] Speaker B: Did he also come up with the. The. The rest of the Sesame street characters or was that. [00:27:23] Speaker C: He just said Sesame street characters? [00:27:27] Speaker B: Because the Count is legit. The Count is legit in this. I think you could sneak him into a regular Spawn story and nobody would be the wiser. [00:27:36] Speaker A: I love Big Bird Violator, though. That's just too perfect with the long snout. [00:27:42] Speaker C: Yeah. It surprisingly worked better than I thought it would. Honestly. Big Bird with the little violator horns. Like, he kind of looks like Malbojia. Big Bird, Right? Like, kind of has that vibe. [00:27:53] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, he's got. He's got a big. A big. A big belly and a long. A long skin. Skinny. Nick, does that make Big Bird the original Longjaw Johnny? [00:28:04] Speaker A: Maybe. We do love the long jaw. [00:28:06] Speaker B: Do have a long jaw. But yeah, the. The Sesame Street Spawn characters are all quickly dispatched by Chibi Spawn and his little chain Spawn. Chain spawn. And is the. So is the implication with all these cookies that Cookie. The Cookie Monster Spawn has cookies in his necroplasmic blood or those. [00:28:32] Speaker C: Yes. Yeah. He's chock full of cookies and goo. I just imagine that as. I always wanted to see someone punch Cookie Monster and he coughs up cookies. You know what I mean? Like. Like, because he's a dick, right? Cookie Monster, like, you know, he doesn't. [00:28:52] Speaker B: Know how to share. [00:28:53] Speaker C: Right. So I was like, someone should just punch him. That was always funny if he coughed up cookies. So this was the close closest I could get. Plus, also, you run into a problem where one of the panels has to be Grover, but he has bloofer. [00:29:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:08] Speaker C: And the Cookie Monster has blue fur. [00:29:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:10] Speaker C: So, you know, I was like, well, if I had the cookies, then they'll know. You know what I mean? It's not Grover, right? [00:29:15] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. It's real. It's very. It's clever and it's hilarious. I'd like the. The follow up to Cookie Monster getting punched and spitting up cookies is he could then have to go to the doctor afterwards so they could assess the damage and they could do an X ray. And the X ray is just like cookies everywhere instead of skeleton or cookie skeleton. Oh, man. He's got. He's just a gingerbread man underneath it. [00:29:42] Speaker A: You know it. Dude, I didn't eat lunch. Now you're talking about cookies making me hungry. [00:29:47] Speaker B: Oh, no, Johnny, you know better than that. [00:29:50] Speaker A: No, I had a good breakfast. I'm good. [00:29:52] Speaker C: Then they do. Didn't Robot Chicken do, like, Cookie Monster visits Toll House? The Keebler elves or something, and like, he just decimates them and they're like. It's like it turns into like the, the Helm's Deep fight, you know? Yeah, she looked that up. [00:30:07] Speaker B: That sounds hilarious. [00:30:08] Speaker C: Yeah. Can't believe that was in my head somewhere. [00:30:14] Speaker B: There's a lot of detritus floating around that you're going to come across. [00:30:18] Speaker C: Yeah. This is how I, I. You go, how'd you come up with this? It's all in the head. So you know that scene in Heat where he says, it's all out there? Yeah, out there. I just know how to get it. It's. That's it. [00:30:28] Speaker A: That's me just all in there. [00:30:30] Speaker B: Mine's. Mine's more like a ship, and it's just whatever floats in front of my vision on this pass along the waves. [00:30:39] Speaker A: Wow. [00:30:42] Speaker B: I gotta, I gotta stop that. But yeah. So Chibi Spawn takes care of the Sesame Street Spawn group. And Smash cuts us back to the end of the last issue and he's like. And this is where the problem is right here. It's terrible from here on out, is what he says, basically. And we are back in the. Chibi Spawn is confronting the scorched, who have showed up to take care of Cyrex the cyborg. Necroplasmic Godzilla being that also looks a little like Reptar. [00:31:18] Speaker C: This is one of those complicated things where it's like. And I've heard some people go, it's hard to see what's going on. I'm like, well, they're all wearing red and black, man. You know, Like, I don't know how, from a color standpoint to separate a five characters, right. Who all are doing their own thing, who all wear the same colors, including our lead character. Yeah, you know, like, I, I'm like, I'm like, guys, I mean, this is why I think. And I mean, I haven't read every issue, but I have opened up because I went and opened up the Scorch books. I'm like, how do they do it? I'm like, oh, here's how they do it. They never put all the characters on the same page. They're never all on the same paper. Very rarely. Very rarely. And I'm like, well, that's why, you know. [00:32:02] Speaker B: Or it's like a, like a drone. A drone level view so that they're all small and separated Right. [00:32:08] Speaker C: But no, this is. I got a full page spread. You know, this is like an X Men shot. You're just like, oh, here we go. You know, like, I'm just like, he's got to go with it, you know? So I tried to make each. Each one have a weapon that kind of, like, identifies them. So Medieval Spawn has the axes. OG Spawn as the green she. Spawn has the big gun. You know, Gunslinger has the. So hopefully, like, the weapons kind of pop them out more, but I don't know how to solve it otherwise, guys, unless there's some color genius out there can figure that one out, you know? [00:32:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it's. It's also easier if you know, like, which. If you go into it knowing the characters to begin with versus if this is your first exposure to the scorched, you kind of. You kind of know how they all look. [00:32:55] Speaker C: Typically, if issue 5 of spawn kills every sponsor, first exposure to the Spawn universe. Hey, there's other. We got bigger problems, you know? [00:33:03] Speaker B: I mean, do we, though? I think this would actually be a pretty great place to start, honestly. [00:33:07] Speaker A: Okay. [00:33:08] Speaker B: I mean, if you're. If you're not opposed to just, like, picking up a random book and starting in the middle of whatever story it is, I think this. I think if you pick this up, you would get some chuckles out of it, not knowing anything that's going. Going on. And I think it could spurn a love of Spawn. [00:33:26] Speaker C: If anyone's first issue of Spawn is this issue and this is your. You just happen to look up this podcast to figure it out, and you heard this conversation, let me know. I want to. I want to know. [00:33:40] Speaker A: You want to pick your brain. [00:33:41] Speaker B: Well, I mean, because, like, it's. It's. That would be like a. A little. A little child these days. Like, immediate. Be like, Wario is my favorite. No, not even Wario. Waluigi is my favorite. And that's got so many abstractions to it to begin with. Before you even get into the who is Waluigi? Of it all. [00:33:59] Speaker A: Who is Waluigi? [00:34:02] Speaker B: The world may never know. Johnny. He doesn't have a comic book, so I don't know. [00:34:07] Speaker A: I'm sure he'll be in one of the Mario movies at some point one day. [00:34:13] Speaker B: They should wait until at least the third one. I think that's too much to pile onto the second one. [00:34:18] Speaker A: That's a lot. [00:34:19] Speaker B: Kind of. Kind of like Shrek 2. Where in Shrek they were like, okay, we got a lot of references we could roll with this, and there are too many references in Shrek 2. Coming from a man who is built of nothing but references. Too many references. [00:34:33] Speaker A: I don't remember much about Shrek 2, baby. [00:34:39] Speaker C: Like, that's, that's Shrek too, right? [00:34:41] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's too much. It's not as good as the first one, but it's still pretty solid, though. But it is a lot. And then so we got Chibi Spawn being like, yeah, I'm gonna take on the scorched and monolith, just like, throwing them out of the way. Being like, get the, get the, out of here. [00:35:00] Speaker A: Yeah, it's very, it's very smackola. [00:35:03] Speaker B: It's very pork chop sandwich. [00:35:04] Speaker C: What. [00:35:05] Speaker B: What the. What are you doing? [00:35:06] Speaker C: Get out of here. [00:35:07] Speaker A: Yep, just chucks them. And then we get side Cyrax. I almost said Cygor, but, I mean, he has Cygor's blood or parts. [00:35:16] Speaker B: Yeah. And they're just, they're just going after him. And Chibi Spawns, like, there's, they're running scared of me. They have to fight. They have to. They have to conjure some big Godzilla type creature to distract themselves from the might that is me. [00:35:32] Speaker C: Well, this was also, like, I, I, I tend to design anything I do when it comes to storytelling around time of day and weather. Yeah, Right. And so very simple idea. But you'll find in most comic book scripts, they rarely point out weather and time of day, like, unless it's like, exterior night, you know, like, there's not a reason for it. It just happens. Right. So in the previous issue when we were in the Violator Land, I had all the, the Violator Ville, I had all the leaves, right. Because I want this autumn thing. But then I wanted to not have the leaves around during a giant fight featuring five spawns and a giant dinosaur destroying the city, because that, that'll get a little chaotic. So I started it raining in the last issue, and in this one, it's just full on raining, you know, and so that, that, that helped change the color palette. Like, yeah, you know, your lighting, you know, you, if you want your rain and water to be blue, and then you can say, okay, then we can do blue or purple orange, and it's more of a teal green. So it's kind of a secondary. These are, this is an orange green, you know, purple color palette. You know, so hopefully when you, Whenever you, you pre order and receive your trade paperback Spunkills, there's been available on Amazon. Com. Right. It will flow like the time has changed. You know, like, that's, that's the Hope. [00:37:02] Speaker A: When does that. When does that come out? [00:37:05] Speaker C: Well, it says July 16th, but we'll. We'll see when we. You know, who knows? With terrorists, it might not be affordable to even import thing. We might have to all drive to Canada and get ours together. We'll make Spawn the spare Spawn caravan right. [00:37:21] Speaker A: There. [00:37:22] Speaker C: Canon Spawn run. Right. Let's go do that one. [00:37:26] Speaker B: Oh, man, I love the teal of the. [00:37:30] Speaker A: The rain and the. The purples. Like, it works really well together and it just creates a really dynamic. It's great the weather, like, great finale setup. [00:37:39] Speaker B: Yeah, indeed. Indeed. Also, Johnny hidden down. We already spoke of the Necronomicon Ex Mortise. There is a. A book down here that is made with the face skin of a. Of a clown. On the bottom of this page, underneath the Cyrex, there is. There is. Yeah. So look at the bottom. The bottom word bubble and just look left a little bit. [00:38:05] Speaker C: Oh, no, that's the. That's. That's not a book. That's not a book. That's the water tower. Yeah. [00:38:10] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:38:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:38:12] Speaker A: That'd be a giant book. David. That's a city street. [00:38:14] Speaker C: Sad. [00:38:15] Speaker A: That's the water tower. [00:38:17] Speaker C: Do you look. Use the windows as height scale reference, my friend. Right. [00:38:22] Speaker B: Everything else. [00:38:25] Speaker C: Yes. [00:38:26] Speaker A: No, but yeah, just. It's really, really fun. And the, like, I don't know, just the three color. Like you said, the orange, purple, kind of teal that carries us through this fight is. Just works really well together, I think. [00:38:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:39] Speaker C: And I'm not looking at the ones with the words. I'm looking at my own pages. But so, you know, there are some billboards. I think we got covered. It was a spawn toads one. [00:38:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:49] Speaker C: Spawn cart 64. [00:38:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I saw the spawn cart. There's a Super Clown 3 on the other side. [00:38:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:38:55] Speaker A: And there got covered up. [00:38:57] Speaker C: Yeah, covered up. And on the other one, there isn't Violator Gym, because somebody out there is a really good artist. Did this like, Earthworm Jim Spawn stuff. And people are like, this guy should have drawn the book Sketchcraft, you know, like, that was a complaint. So I put Violator Gems and then they covered it up like, ah, you bastard. I understand. You got to read the book. Right? Can't just. [00:39:21] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, it could just be art. It could be the. You gotta put out the treasury edition. [00:39:27] Speaker C: I've tr. I. Well, I'm. I'm. I'm just trying to get the trade paper back out right now, guys. Right. Like, why don't we work on that first? [00:39:36] Speaker B: Okay. [00:39:36] Speaker A: One step at a time. [00:39:38] Speaker B: And then. Then Cyrex just steps right on top of Al Simmons. Spawn. And Chibi Spawn gets incensed and he says, no, no, I have to be the one to kill Spawn. Me. And then he jumps into the fray, Johnny. [00:39:55] Speaker A: He does. [00:39:56] Speaker B: And he. He does kind of the Jurassic Park. Alan Grant. Not Alan Grant. Ian Malcolm. Eat. Eat me. [00:40:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Something he'd always regret. [00:40:11] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I mean, but it did give us that beautiful. That beautiful Jeff Goldblum. [00:40:18] Speaker A: Oh, he's lying. Nature that was referenced in issue four, the Vile bloom later. [00:40:23] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it's iconic, Johnny. [00:40:26] Speaker A: Yeah, I just read the book Jurassic park and Malcolm dies in the book and then they bring him back for the sequel book. Anyway. [00:40:33] Speaker B: Yeah, that's wild. [00:40:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:40:36] Speaker A: Jurassic park. Really good fucking book. [00:40:39] Speaker B: I read it a very long time ago. All I remember is that John Hammond dies in the book. [00:40:44] Speaker A: He does. He deserves. He's more of a bastard. [00:40:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:47] Speaker C: As I remember the Jurassic park novel, I felt each chapter could have been a TV show if you had an insane budget. That's how I remember, you know, like. [00:40:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, definitely. [00:40:58] Speaker B: I mean, it may have actually been conceived that way because, I mean, John Crichton did do a lot of. A lot of television series is. [00:41:08] Speaker A: Er. No. Yeah, that would be interesting to see. That would be a cool. I mean, they'd never do it because they're making these $300 million movies, but if they could do like a HBO show of just like Jurassic park, like, more like the novel, that would be. That would be excellent. [00:41:21] Speaker C: Just call it Jurassic park. More like the novel, like the book. The first person to do wins. Trust me. Like, yeah, yeah. [00:41:31] Speaker A: I mean, they're already. Yeah, that must be HBO's thing. Make TV series out of big movies. [00:41:37] Speaker B: And they could call it the biblically accurate series, Johnny. Because it's to the book. It's accurate to the book. [00:41:46] Speaker C: People are going to think, how is this related to the Bible? You know, you're underestimating the stupidity of the Bible. [00:41:51] Speaker B: We're going back to the Latin root Bible. [00:41:55] Speaker C: Wow. [00:41:56] Speaker B: Just the book. Bible is book. [00:41:59] Speaker C: Yeah. You know, my. You could cut this out. But my favorite. My favorite argument to people who bring up the Bible is, go, gays aren't really know. The Bible says. I'm like, oh, King James. And they go, yeah, the King James. You know anything about King James? Maybe you should look them up sometime. [00:42:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Can you. Can you imagine the type of person it would take for them to be like, hey, guess what? I need you to rewrite the Bible for me. So I can read it easier. [00:42:28] Speaker C: Right. [00:42:29] Speaker B: That's a. That's a lot of power. That's a lot of power to have. Wow. [00:42:33] Speaker C: Could someone redraw this book so it's easier to read? Right. Like, we could get Brett Bean. He'd do a better job. 100%. Okay. [00:42:43] Speaker B: I don't think so. I don't think so. Although that would be. That would be a fun thing to do because it could be the. Going along with the biblically accurate theme. It could be the. Oh, the new translation of. So you could. You could have the King James version just be the Brett Booth version or the new international study version for teens. But that would be fun. [00:43:10] Speaker A: They're fighting. [00:43:11] Speaker B: Yeah, they're fighting. [00:43:12] Speaker A: And all of a sudden he starts getting shot from the back. [00:43:14] Speaker B: Yeah. And he. He forgot. He forgot about his. His. His. His other. The other front of the war as it is happening between Felip and the singed. We've got. Oh, man. And we get a. We get a much. We get a better look at them this time because they're not all piled on top of each other like their introduction. So we get to see just how beefy the beefy medieval guy is. [00:43:48] Speaker C: Look, to be fair. To be fair, if I had my way, I probably would have made the story in this one. Two issues, you know, just so I could draw these characters a little bigger in their intros. Maybe this. These characters are two page spread, you know, and just to get some of the geography because, like, I know for me, I'm like, so where's the dinosaur and relationship? So I just had to go with left and right, dinosaurs on the left, Sin is on the right, you know, like that. That's the best I can do here. [00:44:21] Speaker B: Talk about stuck in the middle. [00:44:22] Speaker C: Yeah, and he's stuck in the middle like that. That's. That's how I solved that little conundrum. [00:44:27] Speaker B: That's fun. That's fun. Which I would. [00:44:29] Speaker C: If you ever. Folks, if you ever draw a script from a comic, you really need to think about that, you know, it's not just drawing who's ever talking, you know. [00:44:40] Speaker B: Like maybe doing a little Alan Moore as a workshop for it. Just kind of sketch as you go. It doesn't matter if it's good or not. Just little stick figures. [00:44:52] Speaker C: It's fine. [00:44:53] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, he does little. That's right. [00:44:54] Speaker B: I forgot annotated scripts. [00:44:57] Speaker A: So the singer there. [00:44:58] Speaker B: Yeah. And Felip is like, you got to kill this little Spawn guy. And then Transformers Spawn offers to transform himself into his. His third level of Being. And his third level of being is the bfg. Johnny. [00:45:17] Speaker A: Bfg. The classic. Does that originate in Doom or Quake? Do any of you guys know. [00:45:22] Speaker B: I thought. I thought it was Doom. [00:45:23] Speaker C: Doom. [00:45:24] Speaker A: It's Doom. [00:45:24] Speaker B: Okay, because. Because it was. It was like a. Like a hidden gun in one of the. The last levels, right? [00:45:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:45:32] Speaker B: And then you could carry it over in your inventory to. To go back through the game with it. And the game took like six minutes with it. [00:45:40] Speaker C: Right, right. [00:45:42] Speaker B: That was fun. I like Doom. It's fun. [00:45:45] Speaker A: Yeah, it was fun. When I first tried to play it, it scared me. I was too young. [00:45:48] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:45:48] Speaker A: That's why, like second or third grade. And I was like, I can't do this shit. I was like, it's too much. [00:45:53] Speaker B: They are there. It was very frightening. Oh, man. And it didn't have any of that. That acerbic Duke Nukem wit to distract you from the grossness. [00:46:05] Speaker A: So funny. [00:46:06] Speaker C: I couldn't deal with the gun in the center of the screen. I could never get my head around the gun. [00:46:11] Speaker A: He's holding it like this. He's like holding it right in the middle. [00:46:15] Speaker C: Right. So Dark Forces I could play because the gun was on the right. [00:46:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:19] Speaker C: You know, I just could never. Yeah, whatever. I really didn't get into first person shooters until Half Life. You know, Golden Eye, Goldeneye was fun, but Half Life was. Was the game changer for me. But. Yeah. No, the. You can't. You can't underestimate the dark humor of Doom. Right. There is a. There is a Mortal Kombat like, laughter to it. [00:46:46] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. This. It wouldn't surprise me if there were actually a toasty guy in it. [00:46:51] Speaker C: Also, not for nothing, I told you guys, like on issue three or four, whatever. When Robo Spawn transforms. I drew the transformation. I told you I would never do that again. So here. He just turns into the gun. [00:47:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:04] Speaker C: Magical sparkles Stall. Yeah. [00:47:09] Speaker B: Easy peasy. Done and dusted. And I. I do like that Chibi Spawn turns into true classic Commando Spawn when he is wielding the bfg. [00:47:23] Speaker A: Yes. With the scarf or the cape around his. [00:47:26] Speaker B: Yeah. And the. And the like scope single eyes. [00:47:31] Speaker A: Scope eye. Yeah. [00:47:33] Speaker B: And so he gets Buddy to magic him up into the air and he just. Man, he extinguishes the singed Johnny just like. [00:47:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:44] Speaker B: So hard. So hard that it even. It even ruins the Lady Violator billboard. [00:47:52] Speaker C: Yeah. I got that side in the book one way or the other. [00:47:55] Speaker B: Yeah, there it is. [00:47:58] Speaker C: Yeah, there it is. Yeah. [00:48:00] Speaker B: Very exciting. [00:48:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Their body parts just going everywhere. [00:48:03] Speaker C: Well, I also had this theory that the city's flooding up, you know, like it's filling up with water. So I would have liked to have done an extended sequence where there's an underwater battle. Like, you know, but just no time, you know, no time. But buddy, he's doing his best to help out too, right? [00:48:21] Speaker B: Yeah, he's got, he's, he's got his little blasters from, from earlier, but he's just, he's just enjoying himself. He's got his eyes closed and he's. Little buddy. And Philip is in the back, just saying. No. [00:48:39] Speaker A: Nice people. [00:48:40] Speaker B: The best. The, the most frequently used word in spawn. [00:48:45] Speaker A: We get donkey spawn country in the billboard. [00:48:49] Speaker B: And Captain Amerispawn. [00:48:52] Speaker C: Yes. [00:48:53] Speaker B: With the, the ridiculous Rob Liefeld cap tits. [00:48:58] Speaker C: As Liefeld Kaifeld calls them cap tits. I'm going with that. I actually, if you zoom in, it'll see it's directed by M. Bayfield, but I don't think you can read it here. [00:49:10] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, you could. You could see it. It does say that. And it also on the lady violator says violus of Pope is. [00:49:17] Speaker C: Yeah, that's a direct. That's a nod to my. That's a. Yeah. Okay. Well, Steven Hughes, you know, it's. I'm a huge Stephen Hughes fan. Was original artist and lady. Lady Death and evil earning. But the violence of Pope is a nod to my friend Marissa Pope, who, Who works and does covers for Lady Death. [00:49:36] Speaker B: Oh, nice. [00:49:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:49:38] Speaker B: So, man, Lady Death's been running for a long time. [00:49:41] Speaker C: Yeah, Steven Hughes was a really cool guy. He used to hang out at the steps of San Diego Comic Con in the mornings. So I would get there really early, like, you know, 93, 94. And he'd just be out there. And I just go up there and every, every year say, hey, you know, showing my art. And he'd give me tips and, you know, he was super, super awesome. [00:50:06] Speaker B: Nice. Well, I, I, I for one, very much enjoy an evil Ernie from time to time. That little, that dang little button. Oh, boy, it's full of so much chaos. [00:50:16] Speaker A: What's the dang little button? [00:50:18] Speaker B: The little evil Ernie button. It's. [00:50:22] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. The evil clown face with the skull bones. Yeah. Oh, my Evil smiley face. [00:50:27] Speaker B: Yeah. So it's not, it's not what gives him his, his evil powers, but it is also evil. And so he, like, talks to it. [00:50:34] Speaker A: Okay. [00:50:35] Speaker C: Crazy Jenny, you could sort of say the little viol. The little clown button on the top of Chibilator's hat is a nod to that. You could Say that. [00:50:45] Speaker B: Nice. Would you say that? [00:50:48] Speaker C: Huh? I do not want to get sued. I would say you could say that. Okay. [00:50:54] Speaker B: Okay. [00:50:55] Speaker C: Yeah, man. [00:50:56] Speaker A: It's pretty crazy how monolithic Donkey Kong country was when it came out for me, just thinking of Donkey Spawn Country. But that game was. I thought that was like the coolest thing. I was probably like fourth grade. [00:51:08] Speaker C: It's a huge fan. Still am. Kevin Bayless was the guy who did all the 3D models on that and was the art designer. He bought. I did a battletoads tribute poster on my own and he bought that. And he goes, he. So he. Every now and then he's like, rob's the greatest fan artist. I'm like, oh, man, you're too nice. So I thought Donkey Spawn was just funny. Like, if you say it, Donkey Spawn is hilarious. [00:51:33] Speaker B: It is funny. [00:51:34] Speaker C: So I was like, I'm gonna do Donkey Spawn in there. And then I put little spikes on his. On his. On his necktie. That was funny, you know, like, why would anyone spend all the time drawing this? I don't know. Like. So I put a Bayless Award. Player choice, Bayless Award. Because like, oh, I'm gonna give a nod to Kevin Bayless, but it was giant. And it is a sleight of hand game. It's a game that is just a platformer, but because it used the CGI pre rendered instead of pixels, it made people think it was, you know, more advanced than it. Than it was. But that's. That's the magic trick I love in games and movies. When they can get you into. When people can fool you into thinking there's more there than is actually there, you know? [00:52:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:17] Speaker C: Right. And I still stand by the soundtrack to Donkey Kong country is perfect. [00:52:24] Speaker A: Body ambiance is Alzheimer. [00:52:26] Speaker C: Alzheimer. [00:52:27] Speaker A: I mean, all of them are so good. But we flip the page and more chaos ensues. [00:52:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:34] Speaker A: Because lest you forget, on the left. [00:52:36] Speaker B: There'S Cyrex, there's Cyrax, Cyrex. And Cyrex just swoops in and takes a big chomp and in the process chomps off one of Buddy's wings. Johnny. [00:52:48] Speaker A: Oh my God. [00:52:48] Speaker B: I know. So Chibi Spawn is. Is thrown aside and Buddy falls to the earth. And then while Cyrex is leaning down to give out a large growl. Large. What would you call the vocalization of a dinosaur, Johnny? [00:53:09] Speaker A: A bellow. [00:53:10] Speaker B: Aurora. [00:53:11] Speaker A: Aurora. It depends on what they're doing, I guess. [00:53:14] Speaker B: Yeah, we got. We got Chibi Spawn just like not paying attention to the. The psy. The Cyrex of it all because he's so distraught over Buddy. [00:53:23] Speaker C: Do you, do you read this page? All right. Does this, does this work? [00:53:27] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:53:28] Speaker C: What? [00:53:29] Speaker B: It's. Yeah. Did we miss something? [00:53:32] Speaker C: No, no. For me, like, I was rather proud because this was one of those things when I got the script, I'm like, I can't believe this is all happening on one page. Yeah, yeah. Hold on, because you got. Understand first. I, I, I. He's got the bfg, which I'm told is the giant gun of all time. So that's one panel where he's flying through the air with it. So I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna have to scale that down, I guess. Right. Like, it's just gonna have to change proportions because I don't know how, you know? And then. And then the dinosaur takes a chomp at them, destroys everything, and bites off Buddy's wing. That's one panel. [00:54:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:02] Speaker C: Right. And then there's another panel where Buddy falls to the earth, and then the next one where, you know, Chibi spawns holding his remains. But I was like, if you drew that in boxes, it doesn't. It doesn't work. I try. I tr. I tried so hard, right? It was like, you gotta. The space in between panels is a conversation I've had a few times, right? Like. And so here I'm like, how can I do the space in between panels? But I'm gonna have to give it an image comics feel with big heads popping and no panels, you know, like, how do you. So I thought. I was rather proud of myself, and I'm like, I figured it out. Like, this is probably the, you know. But I don't know. [00:54:40] Speaker B: I. Yeah, I think it works really well. I mean, I never. I never would have. I never would have thought that there was any problem putting this all on a page because it works very well. [00:54:50] Speaker C: Yeah. This one gave me hep migraines to figure out. [00:54:52] Speaker A: I can imagine now. Now that you break it down like that. Yeah, I can totally see that. [00:54:55] Speaker B: Oh, man. Worth it. Worth them. [00:54:58] Speaker C: Worth it. [00:54:59] Speaker B: Definitely worth it. You got to suffer for that art, Rob. At least that's what they tell you. [00:55:04] Speaker C: You're going to hold on Todd's writing. You're a great editor one day. [00:55:11] Speaker B: And then. So. But luckily, it doesn't matter that Chibi isn't paying attention to the roaring Cyrex because Al Simmons spawns pops back up and. And Cyrex's head right off. [00:55:28] Speaker A: He gives him a spawn ality. [00:55:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:32] Speaker C: Spontality. [00:55:33] Speaker A: Spontality. [00:55:35] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, death in one shot. Right. Like, sort of like a. To get a little bit difficult just because Spawn shows up. Where do you put his cape? [00:55:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:44] Speaker C: You know, and so I went with a more. It's more like an active mode than billowing cape mode, you know. So luckily, with Spawn, you can do that. Because I wouldn't know what to do. [00:55:57] Speaker B: Like, you know, like, if it had to remain a cape, it would be very difficult. I can see that. [00:56:02] Speaker C: Right. Because. Yes, you got guts. And then I think initially I thought I might do frag of boom or something, which was a nod to something that was said in, you know, like, in Youngblood comics and stuff. But then I was like, you know, I'm already got the game references in here. What other game? You know, spontality is funny, you know, like, I think Hans in Mortal Kombat. Right. [00:56:22] Speaker B: Like, downloadable character for. [00:56:24] Speaker C: Right. [00:56:25] Speaker B: Combat 10, I think. [00:56:26] Speaker C: Right. So I thought that would be a nod to his game. Mortal Kombat references. [00:56:31] Speaker B: Yeah. We stand some Mortal Kombat around here from time to time. [00:56:36] Speaker A: Yeah. The spawn. Mortal Kombat was pretty fun. He would, like. His big move is like, he'd pop open his cape. There'd be tons of guns would just pop out and shoot. He had some fun stuff going on. [00:56:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:47] Speaker A: By Keith David. [00:56:48] Speaker C: Right. Right. [00:56:49] Speaker B: All right. RIP Cyrex. You would make a great action figure. And then we turn the page, and immediately the. The sky clears up and the rain. The rain stops. And everybody's rejoicing at the defeat of Cyrex and hobbies in the background just shooting off his gun. [00:57:11] Speaker C: Now, we know. [00:57:11] Speaker B: We know that those bullets are all tipped in his necroplasm blood. So this is. This is like the highest. The highest order of waste from him. So that must mean it's a very, very, very special moment for the scorched. [00:57:25] Speaker C: I'm so glad I don't have to know all that. You know, I just draw the images and. [00:57:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:30] Speaker C: You know, like. Like they're posing and I'm like, what do you. What do you do first? How do you put. John was like, OG Spawns up on the shoulders. How do you put a spawn on the shoulders of another spawn? Like, I don't think it's ever been done right. No one's put a spawn on their shoulders and been like, hip, hip, hooray. [00:57:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:46] Speaker C: So like, that presents some challenges in, like, where do you. How do you fit all that? Like, the cape, like, you know, it's like OG Spawns hand has to go in between medieval spawns, like, cowl because, like, those things stick up. I can't put to the left. It'll cover Monolith's face. [00:58:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:01] Speaker C: You know, like. Like those capes and cows, like, they. Again, Spawn was not intended to be a team. Right? I mean, I remember Todd saying, like, tea books suck. You know, too much. You know, one guy. One guy. Lots of stuff. One guy. And you're just like, why did we turn him into a team for the love of Jesus Christ? Like, all that is holy. Like, this is. You know, it. It. It's so. I'm like, all right. You know, they'll be posing. And then I thought, instead of rain, now it's just pink guts everywhere. It's just blood and guts. There's just gonna be guts everywhere. Like, just imagine there's so much guts. You're sloshing around like. Remember the marshmallow man at the end of Ghostbusters? [00:58:41] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:58:41] Speaker C: Slosh around and guts. [00:58:43] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean. I mean, if the. The videotape of when they exploded that beached whale in the 70s is any indication that. That. Yeah, the. The stuff's probably coming down for. [00:58:55] Speaker C: Do you know the ecological. Ecological damage that actually did. You should read up on it. It was horrendous. It's. They've still suffering to this day, like, from the amount of damage blowing up that whale did. Wow. Yeah. [00:59:07] Speaker B: Oh, man. [00:59:08] Speaker C: Just, like, releasing all those balloons. Same thing. [00:59:10] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:59:12] Speaker A: That's hilarious. That's six. Such a turn so quickly. [00:59:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:59:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Things that we used to do. Very exciting. We used to set rivers on fire, Johnny. That's what we do now. We got. [00:59:22] Speaker C: I suppose this is one of those things where it's like, maybe it would have been better to draw everyone like babies. You know. [00:59:31] Speaker B: You could do the. You could do, like, the anime tactic where if you have to have all of them on screen doing something, they turn into little Chibi versions of themselves. [00:59:38] Speaker C: I. Look, I pitched that. And that was. Todd had a hard time getting his head around, like. And he kept saying it, like, maybe Chibi would turn them into babies so he could fight them. But he kept using the babies, like. And then John was like, no. And so I don't. I don't know what happened. [00:59:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:58] Speaker A: No Spawn babies. [00:59:59] Speaker B: No sad. No. No spot. No spin off TV series. [01:00:04] Speaker C: Don't. I don't like them. I don't like the Muppet Babies. I'm the guy who's like, I hate the Muppet Babies. I like him in Muppet form in Muppets Manhattan. [01:00:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:13] Speaker C: I don't like the cartoon. [01:00:15] Speaker B: I don't remember much about the cartoon. [01:00:17] Speaker C: I mean, it's interesting because there's all these movie footage. Right. [01:00:21] Speaker A: I remember that part of it. [01:00:22] Speaker C: So you could see clips from Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and they'd run through it. And that's interesting. It's very similar in a way to what I'm kind of doing now. Like, you put those references, but you provide out, though those references are. Man, I kind of throw my own book under the. Generally people lean on that because they don't have any actual story to say, but they're like, yeah, I just threw my own book under the. Didn't I? Yeah, but. But I just think it's because they couldn't go hard with the muppy humor with Muppet Babies, you know? And if you know who Paul Denny is, the writer. [01:00:51] Speaker B: He. He. He created a Batman. [01:00:54] Speaker C: No, no, one of the head writers. Harley Quinn, for certain. Yeah. But he. He wrote for a lot of these cartoons at the time. And he would say, whenever they go to babies or animals, you know, it's over, you know? [01:01:11] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. It becomes the. The cash grab. And while. While everybody's. Everybody's celebrating the demise of Cyrex, Chibi Spawns there like, ah, damn. Spawn did it again. How dare he do it again. And he's. He's starting to. To. As the. He's trying to. To build his, like, stew of revenge that he's gonna. He's gonna make for the next. Next several years. And then he gets. He gets yelled at. He gets yelled at. It's over for you, Buster. And he's like, what? And it breaks him out of his reverie. And Spawn. Mom shows up and is castigating him for not being home on time. We were supposed to be home two hours ago, John. [01:02:00] Speaker A: He only needs a few more pages. And she won't have him breaking the fourth wall either. [01:02:05] Speaker C: I was like, we do raise. [01:02:06] Speaker A: No Deadpool. [01:02:08] Speaker C: I was like, we could use a few more pages. [01:02:11] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like we actually could. [01:02:14] Speaker B: We got. We got brains sitting there, carrying around batty with his injured wing. [01:02:19] Speaker A: He's, like, nesting in his brain. [01:02:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:22] Speaker C: Yeah. It's a squishy home. [01:02:27] Speaker B: It's not like he was using it anyway. Right. And then. And then, conversely, Philip's dad is showing up to yell at Philip for not doing his chores. And then. And then slowly, slowly the two parents realize that the other is there. And a lot of. A whole bunch of little pink parts hearts show up Johnny, and just float through the air between Chibi Spawn's mom. [01:02:58] Speaker A: And Philip's dad, and Philip gets a little horny. [01:03:04] Speaker C: I was so proud of myself. Figured that one out, guys. That's not a script. So proud of myself. This is literally a boner. Right? Like winging, right. [01:03:16] Speaker B: I do like that. It continues to be like, each time we see Philip's dad from here on out, it's. It's in a different. Like he styles it differently. [01:03:24] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Spit her. [01:03:27] Speaker B: Yeah. And so. So Chibi Spawns like, oh, yes. Father distracted. I could just sneak away and get the. Basically the atomic core that was powering Cyrex, his fusion generator, and just looks like a big bomb. That's all it is. It's a big bomb. And that's what he's gonna use it for. He's. He's scheming and he's thinking and he's like, I'm gonna take this. And then Albert Simmons comes over, Johnny. And he's like, you. What's your name, kid? And he freak. He's. He's like, ah, ah, Albert. Albert. Mr. Spawn, sir. And then Al Simmons says, hey. We pats him on the head and says, you did a good job. And Chippy Spawn is left slack jawed and, you know, bewildered because Spawn acknowledged. [01:04:21] Speaker A: Him and said he just patted his little head. [01:04:24] Speaker B: Yeah. And even Felip. Even Felip agrees that it was cool. And so then the Chibi Spawn is just reliving that moment, is lost in a reverie for the next page. Like, he's doing his chores. I do like the Transformer. Spawn is also the lawnmower. [01:04:46] Speaker C: I did that. Yeah. I'm gonna take credit for that one because I was like, I need this to feel like a resolution, you know, somehow. Yeah. And I'm like, all right. I need this to feel what happened to Robo's mom. [01:04:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:00] Speaker C: People are gonna wonder, right? [01:05:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:02] Speaker C: So I was like, yeah, you know, now he's doing chores. It's funny, I left all this open space thinking, like, okay, John, you know, like, you can just add some words because you'll see it now, but he'll write stuff. And he left. Left it open. I was like, what? The one time I leave space, right? Like, no words. He's like, no, man, it reads well on its own. I'm like, all right, man, I can't write something. You can't write like, hey, nice Robo Robo tractor. Or, you know, engage for duty. You know, whatever, fine. [01:05:33] Speaker B: I think. I think any other words would I. I think it's perfect the way it is because you Know good editor. You don't have to. You don't have to tell him. You don't. You don't have to tell us what he's thinking. [01:05:45] Speaker A: You're showing us. [01:05:46] Speaker C: I know. It's hilarious. [01:05:48] Speaker B: It's so good. And I like Kincaid's ice. Ice cream scream. Birthday cakes. [01:05:55] Speaker C: Had to do the fingers. Always wanted to see. Always wanted to see an evil kid ice cream. It's so morbid. [01:06:08] Speaker B: And it's in, like, such day glow colors too. That's. Yeah, it's great. I like. He's reading some stick spawn and vionoodle, which I'd read that I was trying. [01:06:21] Speaker C: To get that off the ground. Guys. Couldn't. Couldn't do it. [01:06:24] Speaker B: Stick spot is hilarious. He's got. He's got his little teeth hanging out there. [01:06:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:06:30] Speaker B: While he's doing the dishes, you know, he's playing with. He's playing some spawn Age Mutant Ninja Turtles. [01:06:40] Speaker A: Yep. He's got Shredder and like a Raphael spawn. Shredder's like a violator, which is super cool. [01:06:47] Speaker B: I would definitely buy those action figures if they made them. Then we see him again in. In the Bath, again with the sham, the sampu in the twitch condish. And then Felipe is like, dude, you gotta snap out of your. You gotta snap out of your montage, dumbass. You're gonna miss it. And then. Ah, where the boys are on a pew and Betty is dressed up in a little tuxedo. Or Buddy is in a little tuxedo holding a pillow with a big green ring on it. Shannon, what is. What is happening? And we find ourselves in media wedding. [01:07:25] Speaker A: Yes. The wedding of Al's mom and Philip's mom, dad. [01:07:32] Speaker B: And, yeah, it's being officiated by Malbol. And Terry Fitzgerald's there. [01:07:38] Speaker A: Wanda's there. [01:07:39] Speaker B: I like that Terry Fitzgerald is there. I like. I like this array of groomsmen. Terry Fitzgerald, clown. And I. I remember the Fly. I don't remember the fly's name, but I remember the Fly existing. [01:07:56] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Boof or whatever. [01:07:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Little wild. What a wild group. You know that. You know that bachelor party was Raging Johnny. [01:08:07] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Terry's looking handsome as always. [01:08:10] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. He wears a suit. Well. [01:08:13] Speaker A: Mm. [01:08:14] Speaker B: And then we got Wanda and Cyan and an angel over on Albert's mom's side. [01:08:22] Speaker C: Yeah. I had a whole name for her. I've written it down somewhere. I've forgotten, but the idea was in my head was that that's his mom's sister. They were all like, sorority her. Wanda. They all went to the same college. You know what I mean? [01:08:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:36] Speaker C: And so she's like, in my head, she's a fallen angel who became a spawn. Like, I have a name. I. I wish I remembered it right now because it's written down somewhere. [01:08:45] Speaker B: Hey, hey, hey, dudes. I'd read that book, and instead of no hesitation, I would read that book. [01:08:52] Speaker C: Instead of a cape, it's her hair. That's symbiotic. Yeah. [01:08:56] Speaker B: Oh, man. [01:08:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:08:57] Speaker B: Yes. So when. When can we expect that to come out? [01:09:01] Speaker C: Never. This will be the first and last time, I suspect. [01:09:06] Speaker A: Anyway. [01:09:07] Speaker C: Yeah, but. And then I went with the Peg Bundy. You know, I was like, I always wanted his mom to be Peg Bundy. That was when it couldn't be Wanda and Terry. I was like, that's what I wanted. But they wanted, like, a monster. And I was like, okay, at some point, I'm gonna. I'm gonna flip this. I know. I know if I just shut up, they'll let me do it. Like, they'll write. They'll be. They'll write something. John will write something that'll give me an end. And this was the spot. He loved it. He was like, oh, my God. So that was super fun. And then if you look, I made the. The roof is the same spike wood design as the first page of the book. So technically, I. I imagine the trophy room's another room inside this church. You know what I mean? Like, there's some. There's some kind of continuity there, you know? Like, I tried to at least make it rap a little bit. [01:09:53] Speaker B: Yeah, I do like that. They're using the Spawn Bible. [01:09:59] Speaker C: Yeah, it's my second spawn Bible. I love that Spawn Bible. I thought it was super awesome at the time. [01:10:04] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, it's. It's got a lot of good information in it. [01:10:07] Speaker C: Especially it's called Spawn Bible. Like, it came out just in time for the movie. Because I can. I never was able to ask, but it was like, I just imagined the movies coming out. They're like, we need a. Some book to let all the kids know who the characters are. And so the Spawn Bible was the answer. And I'm like, that's so. So genius. Yeah, so. [01:10:27] Speaker B: And they can also. It's just being able to. You can't. You can't promote a hell. A hell movie like you used to, Johnny. It used to basically run itself promoting a hell movie, and now all the movies are hell movies. So just a second attraction. Sad. I mean, good. It's good if you like hell movies. But Bad if you need a punchy marketing campaign for your hell movie. But so then Chibi Spawn is like, I told you this ending sucks. And you know what this means, right? And so this means this piece of shit doesn't work. And so he's, he's now stepbrother to his, his new greatest enemy. [01:11:12] Speaker C: Right? [01:11:13] Speaker B: The most evil, vile, reprehensible and foul smelling being in all existence. And then we cut to. It's a night at the, at the old house. [01:11:30] Speaker C: And Yeah, I actually colored that panel myself. The exterior. Actually this whole, this. Sorry, sorry. These two pages, the wedding page and this I did the final colors on. [01:11:39] Speaker B: Oh, hell yeah. [01:11:40] Speaker A: Nice. The house looks great. [01:11:41] Speaker C: Just because Robert was under a real, real time crunch and I was like, I'll just do them. Don't worry about it, man. [01:11:49] Speaker B: You know, I do like, I like how, how, how some, some houses are all green light and some houses are all red lights. And this is the only one with red and green lights. [01:12:04] Speaker A: Is it? [01:12:05] Speaker B: Oh, no. [01:12:05] Speaker C: Just no. [01:12:07] Speaker A: Okay. [01:12:09] Speaker C: No. [01:12:11] Speaker B: It looks like. [01:12:12] Speaker C: But I'll say that, I'll say that what I would do then is I would make the lanterns on the front of the house green. Yeah. [01:12:22] Speaker A: Right. [01:12:22] Speaker C: But the interior would be orange. How about that? [01:12:24] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, yeah, that works. [01:12:27] Speaker C: Yeah. I just wanted this to feel like the exterior shot to like an animated series, you know? [01:12:32] Speaker B: Yeah. When you come back from commercial. [01:12:35] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've always wanted that. And I was, wasn't really able to get it in the one other exterior shot we had. So. Yeah. And I wanted the clouds to have like, I don't know, I wanted this canvas texture. I don't know why I was like, I want to feel like canvas because I'm weird. But, but I thought, you know, this was fun. Yeah. [01:12:59] Speaker B: You know, I think it's great. [01:13:01] Speaker C: And then I, I, I didn't want to, let's be honest, when you, when you get to the Sega panel and there's like they're drawing posters and scarlet stuff, I'm like a colorist is not gonna want it. [01:13:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:13:11] Speaker C: You know, guys, you gotta understand, like, you know, I feel bad for drawing it and I'm like, here you go, guys. Have fun. [01:13:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:13:20] Speaker C: I feel a sense of responsibility. I have to like finish it, you know? [01:13:24] Speaker B: Yeah. I also like how serene the first the outside panel is to just when it dumps us into the chaos of their room. [01:13:33] Speaker C: 100%. [01:13:33] Speaker B: Yeah. And we get, we get all sorts of fun stuff here. We get. The aforementioned Dog spawn is in attendance. [01:13:42] Speaker A: Yes, it is. [01:13:43] Speaker B: Do, do they do they share the. The fan art with you, Rob from Spawn hq? [01:13:51] Speaker C: No, but. Well, I did go to the office when I went to Comic Con. I drove to Lake Havasu to see my brother. Then I drove to Phoenix and got to go to the offices, and they had. I remember looking on the wall in Thomas's office, and I'm looking at, like, clearly it's fan art done by a kid. I'm like, oh, this is awesome. Because my favorite thing to do before COVID was to go to, like, the Starbucks or somewhere where. And you'd see, like, the kids coloring or the kids drawing stuff. You know, I always like to look at that. Love to see. I love kid art. And so I was like, who did this? And he's like, oh, this guy named Jet. You know, I'm like, he's like 12. And I was like, that's awesome. So I'm like, I knew for a fact I was going to put something of jets in the book somewhere. And then he. The kid read and his dad reached out to me. They're like, we love this book. I'm like, tell Todd. You know, tell them I love it, but don't tell me. Tell them, you know, so, yeah, I was praying they didn't put words over the. The COVID you know. [01:14:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm sure Thomas Healey made absolute sure it didn't get covered up. Because, yeah, we've been. We've been following the. The saga of. Of Jet for a couple of years now, and it's real fun every time it shows up. But. [01:15:00] Speaker C: And look, I drew the Mighty Spawns when I was a kid, a teenager in high school. That was my thing. And if the. If Greg Capullo had put my Mighty Spawns are in a Spawn book, you would have. I would have been like Forrest Gump running across the country, showing everybody, you know? [01:15:14] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:15:16] Speaker C: So I just. I wanted to be able to do. To do that, you know? [01:15:19] Speaker A: Yeah, that's great. [01:15:20] Speaker B: There was a. They featured recently. He did a Chibi and a Chibi Spawn that you inspired him to do. So I didn't know if you had seen that or not. [01:15:30] Speaker C: I have. That was super awesome. [01:15:32] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. That's fun. [01:15:34] Speaker A: It was really. I thought that was one of his best ones, honestly. Like the. [01:15:37] Speaker B: Yeah, he's getting. He's getting real good. He's getting real good. [01:15:40] Speaker C: It's gonna be awesome. Because there's like this for everyone. For every artist, especially around that age, there's like a one or two years where everything drastically improves. Right. Like, you Just go from. From one artist, you become another, like almost overnight. Like it's just something in your mind clicks and. And you're seeing it. I think you're seeing it now, you know, so. Took me longer, you know, but you know, if he hits that between 13, 14. You know what? What? How awesome is that, right? [01:16:11] Speaker B: Yeah, it's amazing. And then also in here we've got. We gotta have the Todd Father's pizza. Jenny. [01:16:20] Speaker A: Of course. [01:16:20] Speaker B: And the. The Beat Em up arcade game. [01:16:24] Speaker C: No, that's the SNES game that says yes. Yeah. [01:16:28] Speaker A: Come on, David, you don't play video games. [01:16:31] Speaker B: No, I know, but it's. I know we talked about which one it was, but I couldn't remember which one we were talking about it being snes. There's a. There's a powdered toast man. Spawn. There's a. I'm trying to figure out what's in next to him. [01:16:46] Speaker C: That's the manga Violator or whatever. [01:16:48] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. It's mostly covered by a word bubble. So. [01:16:51] Speaker C: Yeah. And then I thought I would be clever. And on the back wall I put the poster art is the original cover Todd Nixed with the scythe. And I was like, I'm gonna get this in the last page. And then they put words right over. I'm like, bastards, you got me. Well played. Well played, Clerks. Well played. [01:17:15] Speaker B: I mean, it's a. It's a. It's chess. You're playing chess. And so Philip is making a. A poster that says Violator kills Spawn. And Albert's making a poster that says Spawn kills Violator. And they're making comic books about those very things. They're up to the gills and spaz soda and just. [01:17:42] Speaker A: Having a good time, man. [01:17:44] Speaker B: It looks fun. [01:17:45] Speaker C: I always wanted these box of crayons. Like, it was one of the first little bits I sent over. I did like designs for the book. And if you remember, the Crayola box, Crayola crayons had a sharpener in the back. And I always thought it'd be fun if it was its butt sharpened. So. So I gave it eyes and hands. Right, Right. It's got little teeth called killer crayons. But you sharpen it in the booty hole. Right? Like I think. I think original on the side. I was like, wouldn't be funny. Was on the back and he could like. I know, I know, right? No one is ever going to see or care. But it's just like that. [01:18:23] Speaker B: That has. That has art vinyl toy written all over it. I wouldn't be surprised to see that pop up at Rotofugi here in Chicago. That's a wonderful idea. [01:18:37] Speaker C: And then for the kids, I did spawn Ibity, because I was at this signing in Havasu. Really great comic shop out there. Like, it's the only one in town. I forget the name. Sorry. They're really great, but they had a. Their kid was there, and I said, hey, Skibidi or what? And then the kid just started doing the doo doo song or doopy doo doo doo doo doo. He wouldn't. Like, you set them off like a car alarm. And, like, please don't do that. Like, works every time. Right. You could just set these eight years old. So I thought I'd be funny. Some people have been like, don't ruin spa with sportivity. I'm like, no, trust me, guys. It. It lives and dies on that wall, you know? Like, although the toilet base being the boot I thought was funny. [01:19:21] Speaker B: That is. Yeah, that's. That's good. There's a lot of. I like. Like, one of the original bum bums is hanging out on the bed next to the Felix the cat. [01:19:32] Speaker C: Yeah. I was going to draw the one of the bum bums fishing in the tank, too, but, you know, I was like, they got to put the word somewhere here, you know, and she's in full. The mom's in full. Peg Bundy. [01:19:46] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we get like a kind of little tease slash Looney Tunes ending. [01:19:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:19:55] Speaker C: How do you end the last panel? Because on the script, it was just like, hey, to be continued. I'm like, I don't know. Like, I'm like, how do you. How do you. You know what I mean? I don't know. [01:20:06] Speaker A: Something. [01:20:07] Speaker C: I needed some. So I was like. But, right. That's just like, okay, we'll do. I think, like, right. And stimpy, they pop through the logo. Right. So I was like, what if I just do the. And then I'll have them pop through. There you go. [01:20:24] Speaker A: The only baby. [01:20:25] Speaker B: The only other way to do it would have been to have started the panel in the room and then done the exterior after with, like, they're trailing off. [01:20:35] Speaker C: That's not the script. [01:20:37] Speaker B: So. [01:20:37] Speaker C: That's not the script. [01:20:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:20:38] Speaker C: I can't go changing the script. That man's one Eisner. So I am not going to change. I can play off it, but I cannot change the order. [01:20:48] Speaker B: Yeah. So I like. I like the. The exterior first, then the interior better anyway, so. [01:20:56] Speaker A: Yeah. And then it just teases that that's what sequels are for. [01:21:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:21:03] Speaker C: That's what sequels are for. The good times, the bad times. Yeah. Spawn kills every spawn to the cash cow. Right. [01:21:17] Speaker B: The. The search for more money. [01:21:20] Speaker C: Yeah. I may or may not have submitted an idea for that, but since I. Since no one ever responded, I'm going to assume, you know. [01:21:34] Speaker A: Did not go well. [01:21:36] Speaker B: Maybe they just didn't yet. [01:21:38] Speaker C: It. That is possible. That is possible. [01:21:43] Speaker A: Then we get the classic Spawn skull to end the issue. [01:21:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Yes, indeed. Then we get an ad for the. The first wave of of additional ongoing and miniseries. [01:21:58] Speaker A: Plus Knights versus Samurai plus Knights versus. [01:22:00] Speaker B: Samurai for Sam and Twitch Retsui. The Violator Violator miniseries is awesome. Have you read. [01:22:09] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm a huge fan of Mark Andrako's. Mark Andrako took over for Brian Michael Bendis on Salmon Twitch back in the day. [01:22:16] Speaker B: Oh, okay. Awesome. [01:22:17] Speaker C: Yeah. And so. And then he started showing up on this YouTube game show called the. The Schmodown. Right. The movie trivia. Schmodown. And it was like movie trivia, but with wrestling kayfabe, where they were like, they had. They had teams around, but it was all kayfabe. But the game was real, right? The movie trivia was real, but they had to be in character, and I was a huge fan of that. I got to go to Burbank and watch them make the show once. Mark wasn't there, but Mark was on one of the best teams. So when I. We were. When I was like, in a teams meeting with Mark, I threw down a Schmodown reference. Like, oh my God. You know, like, you know, like, I certainly must do. And I was looking forward to the Violators, and I think it's fantastic. [01:22:59] Speaker B: It's. It's incredible. It's. Each issue is just. I can't imagine putting something that great together. I can put bad things together poorly, but I can't put something so epic together. That's a whole other realm of doing stuff. [01:23:19] Speaker C: Yeah. And they told me the ending to that early, and I was like, oh, that's going to be awesome. [01:23:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:25] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:23:26] Speaker B: Have you. Are you up to date on your Violator miniseries, Johnny? [01:23:30] Speaker C: I'm not. [01:23:30] Speaker A: That's why I've been silent. I don't want to get outed. [01:23:32] Speaker B: I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to spoil too much, but it is. You are in for a very good afternoon. [01:23:37] Speaker A: I'm sorry, I'm limiting the conversation. [01:23:40] Speaker B: No, no, that's no worries at all, David. [01:23:43] Speaker A: There's been so much Spawn recently. If we're not Covering on the show. I probably haven't read it. [01:23:49] Speaker B: I feel you, bud. I feel you. There's a lot. We got the Origins collections ad. The Image Classics ads. The UFC is the toy ad. Toys, statues, toys. Are you. Are you a UFC fan, Rob? [01:24:10] Speaker C: Okay, I. I am a fan of the sport and the fighters, by and large. I reject the ownership of. Of that and their current alignment with politics, you know? Yeah, exactly that. So it's. It's very difficult for me to watch, you know, on some levels now because of that. So, you know. But I have been watching ultimate fighters since 1995. [01:24:43] Speaker B: One man. [01:24:44] Speaker C: Right. Like, when it was like, karate versus paper football. Yeah. It was always something ridiculous, you know, Man. Yeah. [01:24:53] Speaker B: That's awesome. Yeah. I. I just learned recently that they apparently do. There's, like, a smaller version of that where they. They do medieval fighting in a ring, and I would go. I would go see that in an instant. [01:25:07] Speaker C: I miss Celebrity Death Match. You guys remember that one? [01:25:10] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, of course. [01:25:11] Speaker C: I really do. That's one show. I. I mean, everyone's like, bring back Firefly. I'm like, it's too. You could. But Celebrity Death Match, you could endlessly do. [01:25:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:25:20] Speaker C: You know what I mean? Like, if I had to pick, no show, I think could just keep going. More than that. [01:25:27] Speaker A: There's always new celebrities and there's always new ways to kill them. [01:25:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:25:31] Speaker C: Yeah. I got a whole list. I've. I've got a book, you know, like a Death Note filled of celebrity death matches I'd love to write right now. [01:25:39] Speaker B: I feel. I feel like that used to be. That's why you would get something poor published in MAD is you're like, I gotta kill some celebrities. Can I. Can I submit this for your review? Or maybe. Or maybe the old Cracked. The old crack. [01:25:52] Speaker C: Crack was more. Yeah. [01:25:54] Speaker A: A little bit more of a tude. [01:25:55] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Because they did have that one cover of them literally decapitating Leo. Leo DiCaprio. Yeah, the Titanic, they called him Leo. Decapitated is how. [01:26:05] Speaker C: Yeah. Cracked was the best, dude. Crack was awesome. [01:26:10] Speaker B: That was. That was the one that I had to sneak in. I could have mad. My mom would buy me mad, but she would not buy me Cracked. [01:26:16] Speaker C: It was at grocery stores, you know. [01:26:18] Speaker A: Yeah. My brother used to get them for sure. He used to get both. [01:26:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:26:22] Speaker A: I remember I had. I really liked a movie parody of Jurassic park that they had in there. I thought that was, like, the funniest thing in the fucking world when I was a kid. [01:26:31] Speaker B: Love those magazines. They're so good. Speaking of loving stuff and being good, Johnny, we should. If you don't mind, Rob, we could rate your work right in front of you. [01:26:42] Speaker A: Yet again. [01:26:42] Speaker B: Yet again. [01:26:45] Speaker C: Oh, man. Hold on, hold on. Let me get out the tissues. Here we go. Here we go. [01:26:51] Speaker B: But it's time to rate these puppies, Johnny. [01:26:54] Speaker A: It's time to rate the puppies. [01:26:58] Speaker B: I guess it's only a puppy because it's a singular issue this week. Week. [01:27:02] Speaker A: Time to rate the puppy. [01:27:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:27:05] Speaker A: Yeah. So this week, obviously, we did Spawn kills every spawn number five. I really enjoyed this miniseries. I thought it was a fun diversion from the normal kind of Sturm and Drang sermon. Is that the right terminology of spawn? [01:27:21] Speaker C: Sturm and drang. [01:27:23] Speaker A: Stern and Drang. I don't remember what it is. It's something. [01:27:25] Speaker C: Sturm and drang. Hold on. I gotta write that. I gotta work that one in. [01:27:32] Speaker A: But it's, you know, just like the normal kind of. It just really shook it up and was a fun miniseries. I love John Layman's work on the Scorch, and I thought he did a great job with this. I would say the ending. Ending. I love the final climax in the rain. Ending. Ending is a little abrupt, just like the sequel tease. But I still. It doesn't, like, take much away from it, you know, I love the big battle. I love seeing all the craziness. And just, like, it's so much fun picking through each page. [01:28:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:28:03] Speaker A: Art's great. I think it fits the story well. And just the. [01:28:06] Speaker C: Zane, you want me to disappear first and you the real. [01:28:10] Speaker A: No, no. [01:28:10] Speaker C: Okay. Okay. Okay. I just want to be fair. [01:28:13] Speaker A: I Seriously. I really like this series, and we had a blast with it. Like, we read a lot of Spawn, so, like, it was just nice to get something different. [01:28:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I. I agree. It's the story. The story is fun. It's. I imagine it's incredibly hard to put one of these together from the inception just because it's. It's a novelty. And I could see novelty being something that. It probably messes with your brain a little bit while you're writing it, because I think it could be easy to accidentally skew way too. Way too full of yourself or, you know, bad. But it's put together very well. I love it. It's fun. It's so much fun. And the art, as Johnny said, is at least 55% of the fun because it's. It's very, very rare that you can sit down with a comic book and feel like you could spend an hour with it because, you know, Most of them, you, I, there, There are a lot of comics I've read that I would not want to spend an hour with. I would not, I would not wish that upon anybody. But this one. You could sit down and just be very happy just looking at all the stuff. I think it's, I think it's very fun and I have loved every minute of it. [01:29:29] Speaker C: You want my thoughts? You want my thoughts? [01:29:31] Speaker B: Would love to hear your thoughts. [01:29:33] Speaker C: Okay, so here's my honest thought. My honest odds are, if I had my way, like, if I could have all the scripts written before we started, probably would emerge two and three into one script and made five. Two issues like that. This just for my sensibilities, you know. But that's not how things are done. Things are done, like, as they go along, right? So that's just, that's just a reality. Personally, I, I, I, I wanted so much. And I, I, I'll say this because, like, I was like, come on, John. I wanted the Violator truck. I put it on the first cover so at the end there'd be him driving the Violator truck and the Violator driving the Spawnobile. You know what I mean? Like, I wanted a, A car chase at the end, you know, And I kept saying, we gotta get that car chase that car. He's like, yeah, it's coming. And then what happened to the car chase? It's like, yeah, no, you know, space. And I'm like, I get all that. But, you know, I really wanted that to. So that way, the last. I like the last issue or the last thing to circle back around to the front. I like circular stories that you cor. Like on the, you know, the V on the VHS is not a loop. You have to rewind it. But on the dvd, you leave on a loop. Right? [01:30:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:30:44] Speaker C: So. But I thought that everyone was incredibly gracious with putting up with the amount of stuff I put in a book, you know, like, you know, like, I could see no one was. I mean, no one. I mean, very few notes on that, you know, so Thomas, Todd, everyone was super great. Robert was super awesome for being very collaborative, you know, which is not always the case with colors. Sometimes they're very territorial. So. And John, you know, when he'd see it, you know, oh, that's great. You know, just, you could. It's hard to pitch sometimes writers, visual ideas, you know, they're like, in the pros. So I just think that this is a lot for one issue. But I also think the whole series could be a lot. So sometimes if you just keep stuffing it in there, you can kind of make it work. I do think if we ever get a chance to do another one, I'd like to go a different way, just so it doesn't feel like that is the formula and we're regurgitating it. You know what I mean? [01:31:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:31:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:31:48] Speaker C: So I think what I love, the things I love is that at the end, you know, it should be. And. And the violators become a family. I think that's a fantastic idea, you know? [01:31:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:31:59] Speaker C: And totally unique to Spawn in the Spawn verse and something. I don't think anyone ever, John, came up with that. And. And even though we got there really quickly, I think that that starts off and that that would make for some excellent further adventures. Right, so. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:32:16] Speaker A: I can see like, a monthly series of them being brothers together almost. [01:32:19] Speaker C: No, I don't. Well, I wouldn't draw a monthly series that's not coming from. You know, maybe we can get Brett Bean to do it. Brett is an amazing artist. He did the last 12, 20something issues of I hate Fairyland. Right? Yeah. [01:32:33] Speaker A: Okay. [01:32:34] Speaker C: Yeah. I am friends with Brett, and I'm like, how do you do it? He's like, well, Rob, I just actually draw. You just forever drawing the same thing. And I'm like, oh, you got a point there, Brad. You got a point. [01:32:45] Speaker B: I would. I would say that. I think. I think that you could turn the. You could turn the dynamic of Philip and Albert into basically like a. A Sunday comic that gets tucked in the back of one of the books every month. Just like, oh, nice one Sunday comics worth of the continuing adventures of the Spawn Boys. [01:33:10] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, I'd be up for that, you know, but we initially pitched, like, a comic strip format because I drew some test stuff, like in. I redrew waters and strips. Right. [01:33:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:33:21] Speaker C: And I did like, a couple of those. And yeah. Just to see here's how it could work. Right. And I think the idea was Todd or someone was just like, yeah, I don't want to give away anything for free. You know, I'm like, it was something like that, or they didn't. Weren't into the strip thing. You know, I think sometimes the imageness of image means you kind of need it to feel more imagey, you know, any sense. But I do think it could. It can work. It can work as a comic strip. It just. You need. You know, you need a really good adversary. And having fell up there, I think would make that work, because initially it would have just been him versus his Parents or living in his imagination with toys, kind of like Calvin or something, but having a little violator there that, you know as you're Pinky versus the brain. Right. Like instead of teaming up, they're constantly at odds. Right. Or Spider versus Spy. [01:34:15] Speaker B: I was about to say Spy versus Spy. [01:34:17] Speaker C: Right. Oh, okay. All right. Gotcha. [01:34:19] Speaker B: Yeah, you did. Yeah. But who would be the gray spy? [01:34:23] Speaker C: Yeah, but I'm, I'm overall, you know, overall, I know I came so far from when I started on this book. When I started, I. I drew the pages really the hard way where there was a roughy and then roughy lines. And then I had to redraw everything in inks. [01:34:42] Speaker B: And. [01:34:45] Speaker C: By the second issue or so into the third issue, I figured out how to turn my roughy lines into inks in Photoshop using threshold adjustment layers. And then I was able to do inks on top. So I was able to double my work. But rather than doing the book faster because I told them two pages a week, I just put more into it. Yeah. You know what I mean? So I was like, I can put more stuff into it. And may that's. Maybe that works or doesn't work, I don't know. But. And then color guides was something I always wanted, you know, to do. And then, you know, coloring the last two pages, you know, was, was unexpected and awesome. So for me, you know, like, creatively one of the most challenging things I've ever done, but super rewarding and I couldn't ask for. Honestly, I couldn't ask for a better company to do with Todd and, and Thomas and everyone were super supportive and awesome and Yeah. I mean, 15 year old Rob, you know, would. Would be giving me a high five. So. [01:35:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Hell yeah. [01:35:44] Speaker A: That's great. [01:35:45] Speaker B: That's a great metric. [01:35:46] Speaker A: So I'm going to give it. I do rating it. I'm going to give it four donkey Spawn countries. [01:35:52] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [01:35:53] Speaker A: Out of five. [01:35:54] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [01:35:55] Speaker A: Yeah. It was really fun. Great miniseries. Hoping for that Chibi Spawn figure one day. [01:35:59] Speaker B: Oh yeah, that'll be fun. Hoping for, for every character that is in these books to become a figure. [01:36:05] Speaker A: Yeah. With the bendy arms. You gotta have the bendy arms. [01:36:07] Speaker B: You gotta have the bendy arms. I'm also gonna give it four. I'm gonna give it four portraits of Todd on the mantle. [01:36:16] Speaker C: Ah. [01:36:18] Speaker A: Just adoring. Doing the Wolverine pose with him. [01:36:23] Speaker B: Could you imagine the Todd father is Wolverine and he's got Greg Capullo coming at him like the. The Hulk. Oh boy. If you had Greg Capullo Coming at you like the Hulk. You best start praying because you're not going to recover from that. [01:36:39] Speaker C: I think Greg's more like Wolverine, to be honest. Like, if you've ever met. [01:36:43] Speaker A: Yeah, I can see that. [01:36:44] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's. He's got the. He's got that right vibe. Todd. Todd definitely has more of like the scientist who then turns into a monster who comes back to being like a scientist, you know? [01:36:57] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:36:57] Speaker C: I think you got it mixed up, but I like it either way. I don't rate things. I give a thumbs up or thumbs down. I think the series is a thumbs up. I do. Even if I had nothing to do with it, you know, like for 299 an issue. It's got a lot of fun in an industry that right now is taking itself more serious and more serious by the day. [01:37:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:37:21] Speaker C: Almost too serious. Right? Like, yeah. So I think if you. If you like Savage Dragon, right now you're reading Savage Dragon. [01:37:28] Speaker B: I've never read any Savage Dragon. [01:37:31] Speaker C: If you're reading I hate Fairyland, you know. [01:37:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:37:34] Speaker C: And if you remember those in books, this is. This is like in that wheelhouse. Yeah. [01:37:39] Speaker B: Nice. Yeah, It's a breath of fresh air. It's wonderful. Real good stuff, you know? You know what else is wonderful, Johnny? [01:37:45] Speaker A: What's that, David? [01:37:46] Speaker B: Making friends. [01:37:47] Speaker A: Friends on Instagram. [01:37:48] Speaker B: Friends on Instagram. And this week it's gonna be our friend, Rob Dwaynas. [01:37:53] Speaker A: Hey, please make sure to give him a follow if you're not. [01:37:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:37:57] Speaker A: And you can follow us and not following. Rob, what are you doing? [01:38:01] Speaker B: Priorities crooked is what you get. Is there. Are there any other ways that people can follow what you do besides sketchcraft.com? [01:38:09] Speaker C: Sketchcraft.Com as my website. I built it myself. I did it right after I finished the book. You know, the three week plan took me eight. You know, Squarespace, you can. They're like. You can customize it. You can, but you better learn how to code too, because you're never going to get anything good out of that since there's a bunch of lies. But I did get it to work, so I got that there. I got a store with original art in there. I got a newsletter. I call it my stupid newsletter. It's so stupid, I've yet to send one. One out. But it's happening. It's happening. [01:38:40] Speaker B: Is that stupid with two o's or. [01:38:42] Speaker C: Yes. [01:38:43] Speaker B: Nice. [01:38:43] Speaker C: That's how I roll. And so right now I'm just getting that kind of like a little more on the regular. And I'm hoping to do another one of these. If not, then I was hoping to do an art book, but with tariffs. Maybe not. And then I was hoping to do my own comic, if not, but with tariffs. And with that, I don't. I don't know what to do. I don't know how to earn a living right now. This whole. You know what I mean? So right now doing commissions because that I know I can draw and just send out to people and what I'll probably do is just stockpile projects until it's economically feasible to publish them, you know. Yeah. So that, that is the reality of the world we live in right now. And anyone who says otherwise is delusional. So. Yeah. [01:39:27] Speaker A: It's just wild to think how far the tendrils go and just the. Every industry that's going to affect. [01:39:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:39:36] Speaker C: If you like comics, video games and toys, you're. You're host. [01:39:39] Speaker B: Your host. [01:39:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:39:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:39:40] Speaker A: It's over. [01:39:41] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, so for whatever reason, I don't, you know, it is what it is. But I will be out every weekend protesting. So you can find me and my protest pixel on Instagram and threats, you know, until. Until this madness stops, you know. [01:39:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:39:59] Speaker A: You just get to see AOC and Bernie. [01:40:02] Speaker C: I did. They came to Nampa, Idaho, if you know anything about Idaho, typically not a blue state. Right. But there is a strong purple contingent here. I stand on it, you know, like, you know, the psychos are out here, but there, there are plenty more who aren't. And so we had 12, 000 showed up. I got there at 10am I took the day off, you know, and so I was right there in front. I wanted to just wait. I was the one of the first ones in, one of the last ones to leave. I just wanted to experience all of it. So I know it's not, it's not just something I'm seeing online. It's not a show, you know, it's not. It's real. And so they came out here and it was fantastic. And highlight of my year really, so far, like. And so just. We're. Every weekend I'm going to be out there at the Capitol, you know, for an hour or two. And this, this Friday, I'm going to be at the VA hospital from four to six protesting do's cuts to the VA hospitals. Because that's a real. We're losing 300 doctors. Right. 300 staff gay hospital right now for. Yeah. So I'm there to help the people whether they want my, you know, I want to. I want them to have health care and rights and everything. [01:41:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:41:07] Speaker C: And comics and toys and games, you know, that's what I'll be doing. [01:41:11] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. [01:41:12] Speaker A: Hell, yeah. [01:41:13] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. [01:41:13] Speaker A: Is that a big Hell, yeah. [01:41:15] Speaker B: The biggest Hell, yeah. We need to make a Hell, yeah drop for that. Just a lot of. [01:41:20] Speaker A: Take it from the. [01:41:21] Speaker C: Why wasn't there a professional wrestler named Hell, Yeah in the 90s, right? [01:41:26] Speaker B: I don't know. Well, it sounds. Sounds to me like you might have just found a new avenue of revenue. I'm a wrestler. [01:41:34] Speaker C: No, wrestler. Manager. You don't want to be the wrestler. I got. I got a scar on my eyebrow from pretending to be the Undertaker once. You know what I mean? And then I learned my lesson. You want to be the manager, not the wrestler. [01:41:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:41:48] Speaker A: You just cut out that part in Spawn, the movie where he says, hell, yeah. [01:41:53] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah. [01:41:55] Speaker A: He's, like, sitting there, he's like, oh, I can't. It's when his. I think it's when his, like, hands are sticking to the wall or something. He's like, oh, hell, yeah. [01:42:03] Speaker C: That should be your new sound drop. Your new sound bite right? When everything's super great. Hell, yeah. Like, give it five. Hell, yeah. As you write a book. Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah. You know, Hell, yeah. Oh, he just goes on for a certain amount of time. Right? That's how it's a short. Hell, yeah. It's all right. But if it's 10 seconds long, it's a 10. [01:42:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Could you imagine having to listen to 10 seconds of just Hell, yeah? [01:42:27] Speaker C: That. [01:42:27] Speaker B: It would be. It would be the death of the podcast. [01:42:30] Speaker C: That is how I'm gonna get my professional wrestler into the ring. He'll just annoy everyone with the long as. Hell yes. [01:42:40] Speaker B: Oh, man. Speaking of. Speaking of wrestling, what do you think of this John Cena ending his career as a heel? [01:42:47] Speaker A: What's he doing? [01:42:48] Speaker B: He's ending. He's retiring in, like, a year, and so he's going to be a bad guy for it. So he's retiring as a heel. [01:42:55] Speaker A: I didn't know that. [01:42:56] Speaker B: Yeah, they talked about it on npr. That's how seismic this is. [01:43:00] Speaker C: Or that's how desperate we are to talk about anything else but the obvious. Right? Like, yeah, hey, look, if that. If that's how they do it, I'm fine with it. Because I never. When he first appeared, I was like, oh, man. White rapper gimmick. We're doing that. Huh? You know, but he did make it work, surprisingly, you know, like, even I wasn't that into. I'm a new generation guy when it comes to WF. I actually really. I followed in the 80s, but I like the new generation era. No one. No one likes a new generation era. But I. I stand by it, you know, up until the Montreal screw job, then, you know. But the attitude area is people's favorite. I thought John Ceno, you know, standup dude. And if he does go out as a villain, I just like that. That actually, you know, not everyone. How do I say this? Like, I think some of these guys try to relive the glory days. You know, they try to be. I'm going to be Hulk hogan from the 80s forever. Like, no, he should have gone out as the villain, because he is a villain. He's. [01:43:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:43:55] Speaker C: Nightmare person. But so have an actual arc. I mean, let's be honest. Wasn't it great when Brett the Hitman Hart was able to call out America on how bad their healthcare was in the 90s? Like, wasn't that just an awesome bit, you know, like. So, yeah, I'm all for it, but. [01:44:14] Speaker B: Just this means he'll have more time to make more Peacemaker. [01:44:19] Speaker C: I do love that show. [01:44:20] Speaker B: It is. It is a fun show. Have you watched Peacemaker, Joanie? [01:44:23] Speaker A: I have not. You know, I'm notoriously bad about watching television shows. [01:44:26] Speaker B: Television shows. Yeah. Yeah, I know. If you. If you ever find yourself on Max and you need something to watch, it's. It's a hoot. It is a hoot. [01:44:36] Speaker A: I did like that suicide squad that he was. [01:44:39] Speaker C: And you're gonna love Peacemaker. It's even better. Yeah. [01:44:42] Speaker B: Yeah, it's so good. [01:44:45] Speaker A: Let's check it out. [01:44:46] Speaker B: Yeah, you will. You will. You know what else you should check out, Johnny? [01:44:50] Speaker A: Check us out on Instagram. [01:44:51] Speaker B: Yes, definitely. [01:44:52] Speaker A: We are guarding Spawn Pod while you're following Rob, hopefully first. First. Then click over and follow us and hit us a line on there. Or you can reach [email protected] yes, indeed. While you're there, if you want to hit us up, I always like to ask a question every week to spur the fan letters, and we got one last week. Dude, that was exciting. [01:45:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:45:15] Speaker A: So we'll get to read that on the next episode. But I would just say, what are your general thoughts on Spawn Kills Every Spawn. How did you enjoy it? Or did you not? Or what did you feel about it now that we've concluded the miniseries here? So just hit us up regarding spawnpod gmail.com and we will read your letter on air. [01:45:37] Speaker C: I remember her name. By the way, the character at the wedding. [01:45:40] Speaker A: Okay, okay. [01:45:41] Speaker C: I named her Blister with two. Blister. So she's a bounty hunter. She hunts. She's a bounty hunter. Exactly. Angel turned Spawn. She quit both and became a bounty hunter and entered the classic. Or inner. [01:45:53] Speaker A: Sounds great. [01:45:55] Speaker B: I look forward to covering the Blister book on this show. [01:45:59] Speaker C: That was. That was what I. Yeah. [01:46:01] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. That's. That's awesome. [01:46:04] Speaker C: First and last appearance of Blister. Put that on. [01:46:08] Speaker A: Comics. [01:46:09] Speaker C: Comic. Comic database, the comic book, Lego, whatever. Yeah, they'll put it on. [01:46:13] Speaker B: Then we can. Then we can get this as a important issue. Get the little flag. First appearance. [01:46:19] Speaker A: Yep. [01:46:19] Speaker B: Right. That'd be real good. Where do you think this. Where do you think this. This. This particular Spawn Kills series falls along the other ones, Johnny. [01:46:29] Speaker A: Oh, out of one and two. [01:46:31] Speaker B: Out of one and two. Yeah. [01:46:32] Speaker A: I mean, this is probably. I mean, one's just one issue, right? Yeah, that one was fun. Two I read, but I don't remember much about it. [01:46:43] Speaker B: I. I think I'm still only halfway through, too. It's a very weird turn. [01:46:51] Speaker A: No, I mean, like, I. I think this one had the most memorable characters. Definitely. Especially the ancillary characters. [01:46:59] Speaker B: This one also has the most heart, I feel. [01:47:01] Speaker A: Yeah, it does. So I would say it's, you know, top tier Spawn Kills. [01:47:07] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. I would agree with that. [01:47:09] Speaker A: It's funny in so many video games references in this, Rob, because every time I write out an episode, I abbreviate as SK SK And I always want to write snes. [01:47:18] Speaker C: I know, I know. It's funny how that worked out. Look, that. That's my thing, guys, is games. You know, as much as I love comics, games were. And I'm good at them. I just love games, love how they're made. I love the cold. I love gaming lore, you know, real games. Not, you know, not endless. On online shooters. [01:47:37] Speaker B: To bring up a thread that we thought we had long since killed, since we already invoked LucasArts and Monkey Island. What are your thoughts on Leisure Suit Larry? Rob. [01:47:47] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, we always talk about. [01:47:48] Speaker C: Enough. I was disappointed. Where's the porn? Like, I remember getting that. My buddy brought it over. I booted up, like, where it's not even as good as a LucasArts game. And there's no nudity. What is. Couldn't figure that one out. Yeah, couldn't figure it. [01:48:05] Speaker A: Randomly comes up on the show way too much. I don't know why. [01:48:07] Speaker C: Yeah, I know you're dating yourself when you bring that one up. [01:48:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:48:12] Speaker A: I would See it at Best Buy and be like, that's the forbidden one. That's the sex one. [01:48:16] Speaker C: You know, here's the thing. My dad did security at a strip club. So, like, I had. I just had no. You know, I had the access to whatever, you know, like. So I was unimpressed early on. [01:48:27] Speaker B: You were Leisure Suit Larry. [01:48:29] Speaker C: Yeah, I just didn't care. I was like, ah, can't just get Mario World. Can we just play Mario World? You know, this is a lot of much better game. Yeah, that's. [01:48:38] Speaker B: I. I hear a lot of times people bemoaning that their children don't. Don't have an interest in what their parents do at work, but it sounds honestly kind of healthy in your situation. [01:48:48] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I worked, I ended up working for him. He's gonna work this up. Nope, I do not, you know, put me. Put me at the Bumblebee Tuna headquarters. I'll just sit there, you know, reading my Spawn comics, You know, nothing like. [01:49:03] Speaker B: Nothing like a Spawn comic. You know what else there's nothing like? Johnny Lonnie Bones. [01:49:07] Speaker A: He does our music. [01:49:08] Speaker B: He does it very well. So you can just. Lonnie Bones music. You just got to Google it. It'll take you there. That's Lonnie with a Y, not spelled the Canadian way. [01:49:17] Speaker A: That's right. And we're going to do this again next week. [01:49:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:49:21] Speaker A: So why don't you come back and join us? [01:49:22] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. [01:49:23] Speaker A: And what do we want to come. [01:49:24] Speaker B: Back and join us next week we'll be reading kingspawn number 43 and scorched 39. So another John Layman episode. [01:49:34] Speaker A: There you go. [01:49:35] Speaker C: Awesome. You got to get John on the, on the cast, guys. He's fun. [01:49:39] Speaker A: Really. [01:49:39] Speaker C: He's a gamer, too. He's a huge. Hell yeah. Yeah. [01:49:42] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, we could. [01:49:43] Speaker A: I think Erica Schultz teased that or somebody. She was like, I think I could get you. [01:49:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I think she said she was gonna talk to him. [01:49:50] Speaker C: Yeah, we'll see. [01:49:51] Speaker B: That would be awesome. [01:49:52] Speaker C: Yeah, John's awesome. [01:49:54] Speaker A: Love is working, man. That scorch is like, oh, it's. [01:49:57] Speaker B: It's on fire. [01:49:57] Speaker A: It's on fire. [01:49:59] Speaker B: It's scorching. [01:50:00] Speaker A: Yeah. They said this great arc where they like raid the Vatican and it's like this three issue arc and it was just so much fun. [01:50:06] Speaker B: Yeah, we love a good raid of the Vatican, but yeah, so, yeah, let's. [01:50:10] Speaker A: Read those for next week. That sounds good to me. [01:50:12] Speaker B: Hell yeah. That sounds great. [01:50:13] Speaker C: And when you do get them on, you could be like, we heard maybe Rob Sent you an outline for True. You could just ask them if that's true. Because who knows? Who knows if that is true? [01:50:24] Speaker B: We should. We need to make a. We need to make a story for ourselves, Johnny. Where we talk to people just to try to get the creatives to work with each other. And it's like, I heard somebody sent you a letter and you never responded. [01:50:36] Speaker C: You said. You said you'd read it. What happened? [01:50:41] Speaker B: Following up for a friend. Did you ever read something? [01:50:45] Speaker C: I'm getting an email about this one. [01:50:49] Speaker A: Nice. [01:50:49] Speaker B: Hey, I'd do it. That's fine. I'm good with that. It makes us kind of like those people that serve as papers. Like those couriers they give you, like, your documents. Documents. Well, Johnny, I think I have had way too much fun here with both you and Rob talking some spawn. And I've run out of things to say. So the only thing I have left to say. Johnny. Rob Spay the Scorch be with you. [01:51:20] Speaker A: And also with you, David. [01:51:22] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [01:51:23] Speaker A: Hell yeah. [01:51:24] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. Lots of Hell yes. [01:51:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:51:26] Speaker A: Just like ten in a row. [01:51:27] Speaker C: Hell. Hell, yeah. I got. I gotta make a spawn villain called Hell yeah. Now I'm gonna. [01:51:32] Speaker A: Oh, definitely. [01:51:33] Speaker C: Yeah. That's it. [01:51:35] Speaker B: That's. That's who they. They fight. And Spawn kills every spawn again. [01:51:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:51:40] Speaker C: You know, Spawn kills every. Spawn strikes back. Let's go right to that one. [01:51:44] Speaker B: Okay. [01:51:44] Speaker C: Yeah. Okay. [01:51:46] Speaker B: I could see Hell yeah being like being like Bonesa, where it shows up for just a little bit amount of time. But everybody. Everybody knows Bones. [01:51:54] Speaker A: That's right. [01:51:54] Speaker C: Macho spawn. Savage. Can't wait. [01:51:59] Speaker B: That's how you'd have to draw Hell yeah. You'd have to be like super roided after with the castles and the cowboy hat. Makes you afraid his jugular is gonna burst just talking. What a grand time. [01:52:13] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, Rob, thanks so much for being here. And, you know, maybe we'll have you on if you want to ever come back for something you didn't do. We could cover something else. So we'll stay in touch. [01:52:25] Speaker C: Anytime. Anytime you want me on, you let me know. I'll read a comic and I'll come. Hell yeah. [01:52:30] Speaker B: Hell yeah. If there's any. If you. Likewise. If you read anything that you're like, I just need to talk to somebody about that. Talk to us. We'd love to talk to you about anything. [01:52:40] Speaker C: We'll do Hell yeah. [01:52:42] Speaker A: Well, I guess to that we just say, Hell yeah. [01:52:46] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:52:58] Speaker C: Ram. [01:53:34] Speaker B: Make a Hell yeah. Trap for that. [01:53:35] Speaker C: Hell yeah. [01:53:36] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [01:53:37] Speaker C: Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. [01:53:38] Speaker A: Hell yeah. [01:53:39] Speaker B: Hell, yeah.