Episode 176 - King Spawn 50, with guest Tiny Spawny!

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Al Simmons learned in the military that the best way to win was to use your enemy's own weapons against them. And in this case, Spawn would also be breaking the one rule all those wearing the Symbiote costume swore. Hellspawn do not kill hellspawn. Good evening and welcome to the Malibols. This is regarding Spawn, the world's best Spawn podcast. I am your co host, John Fisher. [00:00:55] Speaker B: And I'm your co host, David Williams. And Johnny, I think this might be the final episode that comes out in April. And I, I, I, I remembered to do a poem for it. [00:01:05] Speaker A: Oh, good. National Poetry Month. Let's go. [00:01:08] Speaker B: National Poetry Month. Okay, so. So in the course of a man's life, he finds himself at the, at a. At a jewelry store for one reason or another. And Wanda, Wanda actually helped me write this one. So the bling. Jesus. That's in clearance at Kay Jewelers is terrible. [00:01:26] Speaker A: Wow, you wrote that? [00:01:29] Speaker B: Yeah, I wrote that. And there was a bling. Jesus, that's good. It was all blinged out and he was on clearance. [00:01:35] Speaker A: Did you get it? [00:01:38] Speaker B: Did you not read the hear the last light of the haiku, Johnny? It's terrible. Wow, okay. [00:01:43] Speaker A: Sometimes you might get it. Sometimes there's something. What was the clearance price? How much was it? [00:01:49] Speaker B: Oh, this? They didn't show the clearance price. You had to ask for that. His, his beard and his luscious mane were all diamond. So I'm assuming probably not cheap. [00:01:59] Speaker A: You look too much like yourself. [00:02:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:02] Speaker A: With your beard and luscious mane and diamonds. [00:02:05] Speaker B: Speaking of diamond. Luscious manes. [00:02:08] Speaker A: Speaking of, you know, not to, you know. Sorry. Jesus. Like figures in the Spawn community, he leads many to the flock. [00:02:15] Speaker B: Yes, he does. [00:02:15] Speaker A: We have a very special guest with us today. And we have very special couple issues we're covering. We keep rambling on about David looking at. Were you Ross? What did you say? [00:02:27] Speaker B: Kay Jewelers. [00:02:28] Speaker A: Kay Jewelers. Why are you a Kay Jewelers? [00:02:31] Speaker B: Well, Johnny, in the course of every man's life, he finds himself at the jewelry. [00:02:35] Speaker A: You're using the bathroom. I bet you're using the bathroom when you're downtown. [00:02:38] Speaker B: It was right next to the. Mrs. Fields. [00:02:39] Speaker A: Actually, we have a very special guest returning guest. We're very excited to have him. We have Tiny Spawny AKA can we use your real name? Is that allowed? [00:02:52] Speaker C: Yeah, sure. Yeah, that's fine. [00:02:53] Speaker A: AKA [00:02:57] Speaker C: yes, that is. Hey, I am. I'm glad to be back, guys. I, I gotta say, your show, I love your banter. You guys just back and forth. David, you Were just like, sometimes off the rails. I love it. [00:03:08] Speaker A: Only sometimes David is off the rails. You understand my plight. [00:03:12] Speaker C: Johnny's like the. The straight man and. And David's the comic relief, and I just. I love it. I love. [00:03:19] Speaker A: You're our Kevin Eubanks tonight. Our Moltar. [00:03:23] Speaker C: Okay. Right. You better. [00:03:25] Speaker B: You better bust out that guitar, mark. [00:03:27] Speaker C: Right. [00:03:29] Speaker A: It's so funny because my mom, like, in her house, she has a tv. When you turn it on, it goes to like, the Samsung TV channels, and sometimes it'll randomly be on a Johnny Carson channel. It's just so funny to catch old talk shows because I. If there was a Conan channel, I'd probably be watching it. [00:03:45] Speaker B: That would be a good channel because [00:03:46] Speaker A: that was my jam when I was younger was Conan, and I. We'd watch. We've talked about it before. David. We were Jay Leno household, so. [00:03:53] Speaker B: Yeah, we were a Jay Leno household too. [00:03:55] Speaker A: Did you watch any talk shows? [00:03:58] Speaker C: I. I think like, growing up, I mean, I. I don't really watch a whole lot of TV anymore, to be honest, but I. I. David Letterman was my go to. I liked watching Letterman. I did like Conan too, but I think mostly it was Letterman. Yeah. [00:04:14] Speaker A: I mean, who has time to watch TV when there's so many spawn comics to read? Am I right? [00:04:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:20] Speaker A: And you're saying that it all blurs together right before we recording, and it's true. [00:04:24] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. I mean, I. [00:04:25] Speaker A: If you're trying to keep it all track of it all. [00:04:27] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:04:27] Speaker C: I genuinely. I mean, I do read everything, and I try to keep everything separate. Like. And it's just. It's a lot. I mean, there's. There's just so much. And really the lines start to blur together. I start to think of a story or think of an issue, and I'm like, wait a minute. I have to go back and look. I'm like, wait, which was. Which one was that in? [00:04:46] Speaker B: Well, when the Todd father's writing four books at the same time. [00:04:50] Speaker C: Oh, geez. I don't know how that man keeps his sanity. I mean, that's a lot. [00:04:53] Speaker A: I mean, that's so much. [00:04:55] Speaker C: Yeah, he has. He puts so many words on that page sometimes. You know, I'm impressed that we can even still see the art. [00:05:01] Speaker A: But yeah, that's true. [00:05:02] Speaker C: I mean, that's definitely has a lot to say. [00:05:04] Speaker B: I wonder how much is thanks to voiced to text. He's just. He just like saying the story so he doesn't have to worry about writing it down. [00:05:12] Speaker C: Yeah, they just want to get the Letter just wants to get every word. So they try to find places to put it on the page. [00:05:17] Speaker A: I guess you've got to. Because never, never are they more verbose than when Todd McFarlane's writing. [00:05:24] Speaker C: Oh, definitely. [00:05:25] Speaker A: But I mean, so to go into what we're talking about today, it's so funny to think, like the run we've been on, King Spawn just hard shift to this because we've been doing those issues that were very like, kind of like almost like Twilight Zone episodes. Like the. The one in the house where he kidnaps the souls. And then that one rocks so hard. That one rocks. [00:05:45] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:05:45] Speaker A: There's just been like, really. Rory McConville really has been. Right. That's who's writing him, right? [00:05:52] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:05:53] Speaker A: Rory McConville. He. He really took King Spawn. And I mean, it's been an interesting evolution. I know you've. We talked about the show, but it goes. It went from like cosmic horror, kind of like political, topical swan at the first, and then it became kind of a street level Spawn. And then Roy McConville came in and made it this kind of like a horror anthology. And then you have Tom McFarlane coming in. Be like, no, we're having another crossover event, baby. [00:06:22] Speaker C: Yeah, but I mean, that's all going to change when Rosenberg takes over. So I'm. I'm excited to see, like, what's going to happen. Like, how much of this is going to carry over. Yeah, I mean, he said he's not gonna, like, you know, change. He's not gonna try to retcon anything, you know, change anything. But still, I mean, the. That whole last issue, you know, that was. That was just awesome. And I really hope that arc continues, but I don't know if he will because there's gonna be that time jump. So. [00:06:43] Speaker B: Right. [00:06:43] Speaker A: The time jump's coming. [00:06:44] Speaker C: No, it's gonna. [00:06:45] Speaker B: It's gonna be a different tone entirely because, like, the only thing I've ever read by Matt Rosenberg, I haven't read any of his, like, Marvel stuff, but, like, four Kids Walk into a Bank is decidedly not. Not spooky Spawn shit. [00:06:59] Speaker C: Yeah, actually Spawnography recommended that to me. They said that I should read that. And I asked my comic shop and they don't have it. But I'm trying to track it down. [00:07:06] Speaker B: Yeah, it's several years old. I don't know if it ever got put in a trade because it was one of. When Black Mask started. It was one of their first. Their first books. So it's like six or seven years old now. I think it was pre Covid. [00:07:22] Speaker C: Okay, well, then I might be able to find it. Read it online then maybe. Okay, yeah, yeah, I'll check it out. [00:07:28] Speaker B: I have a friend who got it. [00:07:30] Speaker A: We had some technical difficulties in the beginning. The first thing I said when Mark popped on zoom, I said, well, you win the award for best background, right? [00:07:39] Speaker C: Oh, no, really? If I could turn this camera around and you could see like the rest of this room, it's like, you know, like they say, like five pounds of. In a ten pound bag. Are we like, Is that, is that [00:07:52] Speaker B: a gunslinger action figure with, with like after aftermarket painted blue jeans? Is that what I see in the back there? [00:08:02] Speaker C: No, that is. I know everybody. A lot of people point that out. No, this. I 3D printed this. [00:08:08] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:08:09] Speaker C: Yeah, here, let me. Obviously the. Those of you listening can't see this, but I'll. If this stays in the episode. But I will put some light on it. Little better light on it so you can see. Oh, here, I'll just, I'll turn the light on. I'm not making a YouTube video right now. [00:08:21] Speaker B: Hold on. Oh, wow. [00:08:23] Speaker C: Oh, wow. [00:08:23] Speaker B: Oh, it's gigantic. Holy crap. [00:08:26] Speaker C: The. This one I3D printed. This one I3D printed right here. [00:08:31] Speaker B: Oh, the big spawn. Lego. [00:08:32] Speaker C: The big bus. The big bus i3D printed. This was the first spawn that i3D printed right here. This little kitty spawn I found. [00:08:43] Speaker A: Oh, hell yeah. I mean, that's. You said, you said on our show and you mentioned to us, like, that's something we need, the Chibi spawn. [00:08:49] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, definitely. We definitely did 3D printed and painted this little guy. Like, I, I've never painted before, but I, I, I love painting these, these figures. I kind of have a, I guess a knack for it. I really enjoy it. [00:09:03] Speaker A: Spawn kills every Spawn was such a hoot. I love that series. [00:09:06] Speaker C: Oh, my God. I, I have. I've heard a snippet of a rumor that there is another project. This was, this has not come from tmp. I did hear, okay, we're in the wind, that there is another project with Sketchcraft. Because I, I love that. [00:09:20] Speaker A: Oh, man, he's the best, Rob. [00:09:23] Speaker B: He's the coolest dude. [00:09:25] Speaker C: I, I just can't believe, I can't believe that, you know, John Lehman that was writing the Scorch is the one that did, you know, the response is like, if you would have told me that that was John Lehman, I wouldn't have believed you. Like, if I didn't see his name in the book. That was just Wild. [00:09:38] Speaker A: It was really cool. Like, we talked to Rob and, like, on his episode, just explaining, like, he had a vision and, like, where the influences came from. Everything was very purposeful. [00:09:46] Speaker B: He did. [00:09:47] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:09:47] Speaker A: And it was really cool to hear about that. But since you've reminded me, since we were talking of Spawn lore and rumors. [00:09:55] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:09:56] Speaker A: There's one question that has evaded me for many. Probably two or three years at this point. At least two, I think. [00:10:01] Speaker C: Okay. [00:10:02] Speaker A: Do you have any clue why the SIN action figure was black? [00:10:08] Speaker C: That. When he. [00:10:11] Speaker A: When he. [00:10:13] Speaker C: It's when he came back, when. When he was. When he was cogliostro. You know, he was. I think when he was struck down, when he came back, he was black, but I. I don't remember why. [00:10:23] Speaker A: But that's just, like, one issue. [00:10:25] Speaker C: Yeah, that. But that's how he returned. And I'm not talking about the oopsie return. Yeah, like, you know, when he came back. [00:10:31] Speaker A: Okay. [00:10:32] Speaker C: Yeah, him. Him coming back right now was just a complete accident. [00:10:35] Speaker B: I mean, like. Like when he comes back as Sin the first time, like after he's from that well on fucking Omega Island. [00:10:43] Speaker C: Yeah. That. When. So when he came back and he was black. I don't. I honestly don't remember. [00:10:49] Speaker B: But. [00:10:49] Speaker C: No. [00:10:50] Speaker A: Why's your. The action? Because you could maybe interpret some of the issues that way. But the action figure was, like, definitely, you know, a black man in the comic book. It's kind of up in the air. [00:11:01] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, it. Honestly, in the comic book, he looks kind of like maybe like almost Middle Eastern. Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, he is definitely 100%. [00:11:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:13] Speaker A: He's showing us the action figure. [00:11:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:15] Speaker C: That is a black man right there. An un. That is undeniable. He is. [00:11:19] Speaker A: Yeah. And it kind of varied. Issued, issue. [00:11:21] Speaker C: Artist. [00:11:21] Speaker A: Artist. I just. It was just interesting because it wasn't like, I was like, is he. And I was like, no. [00:11:27] Speaker C: I mean, honestly, that doesn't even look like his face, if we're being honest. [00:11:31] Speaker A: Yeah, they were pumping them out at that point. [00:11:33] Speaker B: I remember when those went on pre sale, we were like, is this a spoiler? [00:11:37] Speaker A: I thought it was a spoiler. I thought, he's gonna, like, take a new body on. [00:11:39] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:11:41] Speaker C: No, no. He's still got the same. Same body, but, yeah, he was just. He accidentally was returned this time. [00:11:47] Speaker A: Right. So we told that story because you answered email, but we have you here. [00:11:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:52] Speaker A: So why. So why did Sid return in Swan? [00:11:55] Speaker C: Okay, so what was it? [00:11:56] Speaker B: Three. [00:11:57] Speaker A: We've read it so many times. Spawn. Three. Three. Spawn. No. It was 94 through 398. [00:12:05] Speaker B: Oh, it's. It's right here at the beginning of this book that we're not popping open yet. [00:12:10] Speaker C: No, the. The one where he returned was, like. Right. It was, like, during the battle of the. That giant monster that Nyx is sent to earth. [00:12:19] Speaker B: 364 through 368. [00:12:22] Speaker C: Yeah. So what had happened was the way that it was told to me, like, I said, we went to. Had gone to it. We were up there at New York City Comic Con. We had gone to lunch, and we were sitting there and, you know, just, you know, talking. We were having lunch with Thomas Healy. And, you know, I was asking. I was asking him a few questions, and I said. I said, so how did Sin just all of a sudden come back? I said, because, you know, Nick's obliterated him and the clown when she took the throne. And he said it was an accident. And he said, you know, Todd missed it. He didn't say I missed it, but he said, we missed it. And, you know, and it went to print. So what had happened was, I believe was. Yeah, Brett's drunk. Was drawn. Is drawing the book, or was drawing the book at the time, and Todd had told him to, like, fill the pages with a bunch of, you know, different spawn, and he accidentally. He just drew. You know, drew him. And it just. It was a complete accident. Nobody caught it. That that's who he had drawn. He drawn Sin. So instead of. Instead of trying to say oops, or instead of. They haven't, like, written as to how. [00:13:31] Speaker A: Right. He's back. Yeah, he's definitely back. [00:13:34] Speaker C: So, I mean, yeah, he. You know, and he. He has his purpose, but, yeah, it was just a complete accident. He wasn't. It wasn't intended for him to return, at least not at that point. [00:13:43] Speaker B: I just realized that this was Brett Booth that did this. You know, the guy who showed him being, like, vaporized. [00:13:50] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, it's like you killed him, and then you turn around and just all of a sudden throw him on a page because he's like. [00:13:56] Speaker B: He drew the death scene, dude. [00:13:57] Speaker C: Yeah. In one panel, it's. It's Sin, and I think an angel or something that's. That's, like, flying in. And, I mean, they don't mention his name or anything, but he's just there. Yeah. [00:14:08] Speaker A: I was like, we. We talked about the show. We're like, hey, he's back. [00:14:11] Speaker C: Yeah. You guys are like, why is. Why is Sin back? And, yeah, I just so happened. [00:14:15] Speaker A: Why is he helping them? [00:14:16] Speaker C: Yeah, it just so happened that, you know, I asked Healy, and that's what he said. [00:14:21] Speaker B: Like, I was hilarious. I was wondering because. Oh, who was it? Was it. Was it when we talked to Tom, he. Thomas Healey, or were we talking to you? Because we talked to somebody on the show and they were like, so do you think sense coming back? And we were like, absolutely the not. [00:14:37] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't think that was me, [00:14:38] Speaker A: but yeah, no, it was. It was. We did 350 with. With Ty. With sponsor. [00:14:44] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:14:45] Speaker B: Okay. It was Ty. Yeah. [00:14:46] Speaker A: Speaking of milestones, speaking of Spawn celebrities, which we have here, what we are doing so we can get a semblance of on track before the 20 minute mark of me starting recording, which we have 45 seconds, is we are respawn regarding Spawn. For each week, we bring you two issues from Spawn's universe. Except when we don't. This week is no different. We have two issues. We flirted with three, but it was too much Spawn for one episode. So we decided to. So as what we're doing. Okay, let me get to there. What we're doing is Spot King Spawn 50 and Gunslinger. Two big, monumental issues. And like, for us, for me, it's a big deal. Like, King Spawn is what got me into Spawn. I can't believe it's 50 issues. That's insane. And it feels like it was the beginning of this new kind of Spawn unity that has grown. And, like, I think that, you know, Todd McFarlane was, like. He was brilliant in a way. He was just like. Like, threw a dart into a thing was like, right there. If we do that, we can build a universe. And he did. And we're here and we're overwhelmed now. [00:15:54] Speaker C: So, Johnny, you know, King Spawn is what got you into Spawn. What do you think? Like, because the way that this book started is not how it is right now. So what do you know? Do you like the way that it was, or do you like where it is now? [00:16:09] Speaker A: I like it that it brought. I like where it is now. I like King Swan. [00:16:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:16:15] Speaker A: But that original. The original Shaun Lewis run, I think, is my favorite. King, like, when he was on it exclusively. [00:16:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:16:28] Speaker A: It was like cosmic horror. And it felt like it was building to something. And I feel like there's a turning point. I remember the issue. It's the first issue where Shaun King didn't write it, and God bless him, but Todd McFarlane did. That's when they went in the basement and they found Cyan's roommate and they killed her. And the clown fought him in the parking lot. And like, Terry was there and, like, that was, the issue was, like, it was different from that on out because he had those amazing two page spreads with, like, the cosmic, like, something big's gonna happen. Something's big is gonna happen. He's gonna get on that throne. He's gonna get in that throne. It was really building to something that felt very. So I do, I, I. The initial, like, probably like 12 to 15 issue run is definitely my favorite King Swan. There has been other high points, like we were talking about before we were recording the Rory McConville stuff that was leading up to 50, like kind of the Twilight Zone, like horror. The episodes have been really cool, but it's, I feel like it's been floundering for an identity for about 20 issues or so. [00:17:33] Speaker C: Yeah, I, I, I can, I can definitely agree with you on that, but see, I'm, I'm just the opposite. When at the beginning I did not care for King Spawn. And then I think it's when Sean Lewis. Yeah, I, I just, that, that wasn't really, you know, my thing. I mean, I was liking Spawn and, and Gunslinger. And I think this, yeah, the Scorch would have been, would have been out by then. But, yeah, I didn't really care for King Spawn at the beginning. Now I think it's probably when Sean Lewis got off the writing is when I kind of started to like it. So, I mean, that's interesting that, you know, we have. Yeah. You know, different takes on it. That's, I mean, that's cool. [00:18:04] Speaker A: Yeah, he just had like a. There was like a. I screwed those first three, three or four issues very well because they're very good about, like, if you're new to Spawn, because if you remember, like, the end of the first issue is Billy Kincaid's In Hell. So you kind of research him. So I went back, I was reading that stuff, and then there was like a. There was like a shooting and like, government. Like, it just felt very, like, almost of the time. And this was, you know, what, 2022. [00:18:31] Speaker B: 2021. [00:18:32] Speaker A: Yeah, 2021. [00:18:34] Speaker B: August 25, 21. [00:18:36] Speaker A: Well, I mean, we're fresh in that pandemic. So, like. Oh, yeah, it had some of that, like, raw, like, anger, I feel like, and man. Oh, yeah. And that was also when I got into comics. Like, it was that time was when I started buying physical comics again since I was like, you know, 17, 16 maybe. And like, I, I got into it because I read in Fangoria about James Tinian's Last House on By the Lake. Which is second series. And I think they're gonna do a third series. I don't know. [00:19:12] Speaker B: Wasn't it Nice House on the Lake? Not Last House on the Lake? [00:19:15] Speaker A: Yes. [00:19:16] Speaker B: Okay. Just wanna make. [00:19:17] Speaker A: Maybe. I've been listening to a lot of last podcast on the left, and it's. It's infusing my brain. It was a Nice house on the lake. [00:19:23] Speaker B: Yes. [00:19:24] Speaker A: Pretty good. And that I literally walked to a comic shop. It's like, hey, I read about this thing called Last House on the Lake. And they're like, it's right there. And I turned to my right. It was like the number one bestsellers. So I grabbed a copy and then I. Then I was like, just whatever. And then I saw that King Spawn was launching. I saw the number one at King Spawn, the Puppeteer Lee cover, and I was like, I liked King Spawn. Got me back into Spawn as a, you know, as a kid growing up in the 90s. I was born 86, so, like, I was like, perfect age for spawn in the 90s. And my, you know, my brother had some comics and collections. I loved the movie when I was a kid. I love the figures. [00:20:03] Speaker C: Like when we were kids. [00:20:05] Speaker A: Figures. Yeah. I mean, you know, hey, I still kind of like the movie. Yeah, it has its ups and downs, but that Arrow video set was really cool. [00:20:14] Speaker C: That. That was badass. But there's, like, so cool. There's one scene in there, for whatever reason, it's not in four. And it's. It's right around the part where he's escaping from the Armory and he's, I think, climbing up the wall with the, you know, suction cup hands. Like, it's a little grainy, but, like, the whole rest of the movie is fine. So I don't know what happened with that scene, but. Right. Yeah. Oh. I mean, seriously, watching it in the 4K, it made me feel like I was a kid again. Like, it it that good? [00:20:40] Speaker A: Well, I just remember being like, you know, I was 97, so I was in fifth grade, and I saw that movie and I felt like it was kind of illicit. I had some action figures. Like, my mom was cool, let me do whatever, but, like, she wasn't, like, super jazzed about Spawn, you know, but, like, it was just so. And, like, I would sneak the HBO show, but it was the 90s, so I couldn't, like, be a completist. Like, I. You know, I probably saw like six to 10 episodes, the HBO show over my childhood. But I just like having midnight and be like, I'm going to Watch Spawn. You know, I didn't. You know, it wasn't like. I, like, watched it all in order, and we had a few random issues. And of course, I was like. At that time, I was deeply into the Star Wars 90s toy line, so there's a lot of overlap with toy collectors. So I was going to flea markets, look for Star wars toys, see Spawn. And I did buy a lot of the Spawn movie action figures, which I've rebought now. And I had. I just had some random ones, but, like. Yeah, I mean, it was. It was always something I, like, wanted to be into, but I was, like. Wasn't quite allowed. And it was also. I didn't quite have the money to do it, and I also didn't quite. It was just, like, on the cusp of, like, something. I was like, man, that thing's cool. I always like Swan. [00:21:50] Speaker C: So. Yeah, [00:21:53] Speaker B: he looks fucking awesome. [00:21:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:21:56] Speaker A: Anyway, so we're doing Kingspan 50 and Gunslinger 50. [00:22:00] Speaker C: Yes. [00:22:00] Speaker B: Yes. [00:22:02] Speaker A: Well, and Gunslinger was huge. I mean, I remember that in my comic shop, people were freaking out. Like, I remember when that came out, it was huge. The launch of Gunslinger Number one. [00:22:10] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Gunslinger went over like crazy. But, I mean, how could you. [00:22:15] Speaker A: It's a tall hat. [00:22:16] Speaker C: Yeah. How could you not love? I mean, come on. [00:22:20] Speaker B: Hold on. I gotta go save my comic collection from the dingus. He's chewing the box. Oh. [00:22:25] Speaker C: Oh, no. [00:22:28] Speaker A: Don't be eating it. Oh, wow. Sounds like a velociraptor. [00:22:33] Speaker B: Right? So this is. This is. This is dingus. He who can't see or hear. [00:22:37] Speaker C: Oh, okay. So I can't say hi to dingus, but. [00:22:40] Speaker B: Well, you can, Right? [00:22:42] Speaker C: He just won't respond. [00:22:44] Speaker A: If you're listening this first time because you followed Mark here or if you're listening first time, David has a lot of dogs. [00:22:50] Speaker B: Yes. [00:22:51] Speaker A: And so sometimes they interrupt our show. [00:22:53] Speaker C: Oh, no, it's not an interruption at all. I enjoy when they stop by. [00:22:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Do you want to share why you have so many dogs, David? Or is that, like, privileged information? [00:23:02] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. It's a need to know basis. And you need to know that I fucking love dogs. And we just. We. We do a lot of fostering, and we basically run a dog rescue out of our home over here on the west side of Chicago. [00:23:15] Speaker A: That's pretty cool. [00:23:17] Speaker B: We've worked with. Jesus. Six different rescues in town now over the last 15 years, and we've had. We've taken care of, like, 83 or 84 dogs in that time. [00:23:30] Speaker A: Have any of them read Spawn is The real question. [00:23:35] Speaker B: I've tried to get a couple of them, too, but, man, they just. They have a much rather sleep. [00:23:41] Speaker C: They have a hard time turning the page. [00:23:42] Speaker A: I feel like Cusco might like the vibe of John Leguizamo's clown. [00:23:47] Speaker B: He definitely. He definitely would. [00:23:49] Speaker A: He was vibe with John Lego. And that's the thing. Speaking of the movie. I mean, that's the thing that makes the movie. John leguizam was clown. [00:23:55] Speaker C: Oh, 100. [00:23:56] Speaker A: And I think. And I like. Because, like, he was a movie star to me after I saw a movie. I think that Michael Dry White as Al is great, but he's given so little as Al. Like, when I think of Al Simmons, I think of Michael Dry White to this day. And I thought he was great, and I thought clown was great. And it's just hilarious. Like, they make cloggly oh show into, like, Obi Wan Kenobi. [00:24:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:20] Speaker A: It's so weird. [00:24:21] Speaker C: But what's crazy is in my head, like, when I read the comics, like, Spawn as the voice of Keith David and the clown has the voice of John Leguizamo. [00:24:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:30] Speaker C: Like, and I. And I know that's not who did the cartoon, but still, like, that's in my head. That's who Spawn and Clown are we [00:24:37] Speaker A: to get them together. [00:24:39] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, right. [00:24:40] Speaker A: Project. [00:24:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:24:41] Speaker B: I like the John Leguizamo because he's got the doofus quality, whereas the. The actor that they got to do the Cartoon is just 100. [00:24:50] Speaker A: Real creepy. [00:24:50] Speaker B: He's. He's 100%. [00:24:52] Speaker A: He's an evil. [00:24:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:54] Speaker A: Evil. He's, like, jerking off to pictures of Wanda. It's bad. [00:24:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:58] Speaker C: I mean, his voice, you know, was fine for the cartoon, but still, I just hear. I hear John Leguizamo in my head whenever I see the clown, which I. I'm. I'm sure, since Malbolia is making a return, that we will see the. You know, our clown again. [00:25:14] Speaker A: Hopefully. [00:25:15] Speaker C: I'm sure. [00:25:15] Speaker A: Well, that's. And that's the difference between the movie and the HBO shows. The HBO show, like, I saw in the theater, it's a PG13. That's, you know, for a wider audience. And the TV show, like, I would watch it, like, in a dark room. Like, we were supposed to be asleep at, like, midnight when I was, you know, 12 years old. And it felt like evil. And that's what made it cool and, like, illicit. And that's, like, I guess that imprinted on me. So I always think of Spawn as, like, very, you know, even though he's got, you know, we got 10 comics a month that are Spawn, he's always like, kind of the. He's the one you don't want to bring home to grandma. You know, she loves Captain America, but Swan's like, well, he's from hell. And she's like, wait, what? [00:25:57] Speaker C: Let's see. I have. I have the Animated series around here somewhere. [00:26:00] Speaker A: Is that the Al Simmons action figure? The one with the American flag behind you? The one they made. Like, they made, like, military legends, and one of them was just Al Simmons. [00:26:11] Speaker C: This. [00:26:11] Speaker A: No, no, to your. To your. Far right behind the blanket. It's like, American flag. Yes. [00:26:18] Speaker C: No, that is the. Like, that's the one action figure. It's like, who asked for this? But it was one of the collectors clubs. This is Terry Fitzgerald. [00:26:27] Speaker A: Oh. [00:26:27] Speaker B: Oh, nice. [00:26:28] Speaker A: Oh, that's awesome. [00:26:29] Speaker B: Let's see. [00:26:30] Speaker A: Let's see the booty on that package. [00:26:32] Speaker C: Yeah, I have him in a package somewhere. God knows where he's at. [00:26:36] Speaker A: Oh, that's awesome. [00:26:38] Speaker C: But, yeah, they made a. Oh, that's amazing, though. [00:26:40] Speaker B: That's awesome. [00:26:42] Speaker C: But they also have. They also made a Jason Wynn with this line. And then they did a Cyan and Wanda. [00:26:52] Speaker B: Nice. [00:26:53] Speaker A: Okay, so, yeah, they were mail ins. [00:26:56] Speaker C: I believe. These. Yeah, these are special edition. These are collector's club exclusives. But I do have Terry out of package. I. God knows I have. [00:27:05] Speaker B: I have never seen that before. That is amazing. [00:27:07] Speaker A: Amazing. [00:27:07] Speaker C: Oh, I. I mean, you guys can. I mean, this. You can pick up really cheap. The terror one. Yeah, he's out of package somewhere. [00:27:15] Speaker A: I mean, that was the golden age. Like, speaking of, like, you know, growing up with McFarland, was that, like. I don't know. It was like, 1999 to 2004. Like, those figures were crazy detailed. [00:27:28] Speaker C: Like, oh, my God, they need to do those again. Yeah, here he is. [00:27:31] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, there he is. Oh, hell yeah. He looks awesome. That's a great. [00:27:36] Speaker C: There's Jason Wynn, who's standing there, and he comes with, like, a little thing of, like, files. It just says, like, I hope you [00:27:43] Speaker A: come with a clove cigarette from the movie Smoking cloves. [00:27:46] Speaker C: Yeah, he's like, on the other side of the room over there. Yeah, he's. I mean, it's. It is a good figure, but I'm Was like, what. What are you gonna do with this? Like, he's just stationary. Like, that's what he does. He just. [00:27:58] Speaker A: I'll never forget the. The twisted Land of Oz figures. Oh, Dorothy's boobs were, like, sticking out. I was like, holy crap. I remember seeing that sun coast video at the mall. And I was like, whoa. [00:28:09] Speaker C: I. I bought that back in the day when it came out, that whole series. But I. That's. That's long gone. Yeah, I don't have those anymore. But I do have the twisted Christmas line. I do have the. [00:28:19] Speaker A: Oh, that was great. [00:28:19] Speaker C: And I have the variant of Mrs. Claus. I have the blonde and the brunette. [00:28:24] Speaker A: I like the. It was the monsters playset line that he did. [00:28:32] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:28:33] Speaker A: I had the fan of the opera and I had the Wolfman. And those were. There were those play that. That time period of those playsets. Those are so cool. Yeah. A lot of accessories and they're really interactive. There was the spawn the movie playsets and there was. [00:28:46] Speaker C: Yeah, I have those. [00:28:47] Speaker A: Yeah, those are amazing. Those are some of my favorite things to spawn the movie. Yeah, I have whenever McFarlane does like tiny scale because they did that for. For Shrek. For the original Shrek, they did the action figure line. There's like little miniature Shrek figures. [00:29:02] Speaker C: You guys. If you guys want some amazing detail. I'm trying to get too sidetracked, but here. [00:29:07] Speaker B: Please do. [00:29:10] Speaker C: If you guys want amazing detail. Hold on a second. [00:29:12] Speaker A: Okay. [00:29:13] Speaker C: This is like one of my favorite sets. Like, okay. I finally tracked down and finally got the series. One of the. They call them the trading figures, the minifigs. And the detail on these things are insane for the size that they are. This is the. [00:29:33] Speaker B: Look at that guy. [00:29:35] Speaker C: Like the detail and the paint apps. [00:29:37] Speaker A: It's crazy. [00:29:38] Speaker C: Nuts. [00:29:38] Speaker B: And is that just like one. Is that like a 3 inch guy right there? [00:29:42] Speaker C: Yeah, this thing is Tang. [00:29:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:45] Speaker C: Let's see. Okay, let me show you something for scale. [00:29:49] Speaker B: Show us next to the. The full size. Because there's the full size back there. Yeah. [00:29:53] Speaker C: Okay, so here's the full size. This is the regular one that came out, the very first series one. And that's the minifigure. [00:30:01] Speaker A: That's amazing. [00:30:05] Speaker C: They. These came out in, I think, 03. Just a second. I'll show you. I'll show you how they came. Just a moment. [00:30:12] Speaker B: Well, because, I mean, like the. The page punchers also have an insane amount of detail for the size that they are. [00:30:18] Speaker C: They're. But honest, not as detailed, like. [00:30:22] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, definitely not that detailed. Holy crap, dude. [00:30:24] Speaker C: So like this here's the Mandarin, like from the movie. [00:30:29] Speaker A: Oh, that's amazing. [00:30:30] Speaker C: This is one of the ones. But they came like this. Oh, no, 06 is when they came out. [00:30:35] Speaker A: Oh, cool. [00:30:36] Speaker C: Okay. [00:30:36] Speaker B: Were they. Were they blind boxes? [00:30:39] Speaker C: Yeah, they're blind boxes. [00:30:40] Speaker B: Oh, really nice. [00:30:41] Speaker C: Yes. But they had. [00:30:42] Speaker A: That's amazing. [00:30:43] Speaker C: But, okay, they're blind boxes, but it's not like the blind boxes we have today. So there is a little checklist on the side. It does tell you what's inside. Oh, but, like, which figure you're gonna get. But there were different paint apps. Okay. Like a. I think a platinum version, a gold and then a reap. No, I think it was just gold. A repaint, or the standard, you know, paint app. And, yeah, these things are. They are. They are hard to get. Kind of expensive if you buy them individually, I bet. But. So I. There were a couple of cases that came up on ebay. I bought them. And one. The first case that I bought, this guy says, you know, I bought this case 20 years ago, opened the top, looked inside, never opened it. And I'm like. I messaged the guy after I got it, and I said, I'm not saying that you're a liar, but somebody has obviously repacked this box because I got 13 of this same figure. I got three of the other and seven of the other. And that's not the way they're sent. Yeah, it was. Somebody had obviously bought a bunch of them, said, oh, I don't want these, and shoved them all back in a box, and then I bought it. So I did end up buying a second case and was able to complete my set. [00:32:01] Speaker B: Nice. [00:32:02] Speaker C: And these things, the detail on them is insane. Like, there's this one here. Oh, wow. Yeah. He's got a little rock that he stands on. But, I mean, the paint, like. And really. If you, like, have it, like, really close to your face, the paint and detail is just crazy. [00:32:18] Speaker B: It's. He's. He's currently showing us, like, the. The Greg Capullo meatball. [00:32:23] Speaker C: Big right from issue 85. [00:32:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:26] Speaker C: What this is from. But, yeah, I mean, if you guys ever, you know, find any of these, they come in these little, you know, boxes. Like, definitely worth it. Like, I finally have them all. I've been looking for them for a while. [00:32:38] Speaker B: Nice. I didn't even know those existed. [00:32:41] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. And then there's also a series 2, but they came packaged differently. Right. I actually just picked this one up. All right. Okay. Actually, this was bought for me this week. This past weekend, I went up to Canada. [00:32:59] Speaker B: Oh, nice. How was the poutine? [00:33:02] Speaker C: Funny you should say that. That was the first thing I had when I got there. Yeah, I was. I was take. I was taken out to lunch, and we got. We got fried chicken, and with it came with poutine and I'd never had it before, and I'm like, you know, it was great. It was really, really good. [00:33:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:18] Speaker C: You know, to look at it, I'm like, ew. [00:33:19] Speaker B: But no, cheese and gravy are two of the greatest things in life. [00:33:23] Speaker C: Yeah. Cheese and gravy. [00:33:24] Speaker B: Put them on Friday. [00:33:26] Speaker C: It's really, really good. I recommend everybody try it. But yeah, we were at. We went to a little Comic Con. I actually was up there to see Jeff Monk, and we went to this Gotham. I think it was Gotham City Comics. And Jordan. Jordan Noir was there. So, like, we saw him and like the. [00:33:48] Speaker A: Oh, nice. [00:33:48] Speaker C: Yeah, the booth that was right beside Jordan had this. [00:33:54] Speaker A: Whoa. What is that? [00:33:55] Speaker C: This is series two. [00:33:57] Speaker A: But that box is so cool. [00:33:58] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, this. This is so. You don't even need to open this one. Yeah, this is from. [00:34:05] Speaker A: So what. What is. What are you showing? This is a mini Spawn, but it's like in this clear clamshell box. That's very precise. [00:34:12] Speaker C: It is this one here. Oh, yeah. I mean, it looks great for. Just for scale. Here's the Damn. [00:34:19] Speaker B: Oh, dang. [00:34:20] Speaker C: That's the real. The main figure. And then here's the minifig. [00:34:23] Speaker B: It's. It's literally like they took the figures and put them in the Honey I shrunk the kids machine. [00:34:27] Speaker C: Yeah, it's like a Shrinky Dink. You know, they stuck this in the oven and shrink. [00:34:31] Speaker A: Oh my God, I forgot about those [00:34:32] Speaker C: because I mean, it still has the same scale and everything. Like. Or the same. Like it even has a little metal chain in there. Yeah. [00:34:40] Speaker B: That's incredible. [00:34:41] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, it's just. It's wild. [00:34:42] Speaker A: Shrinky Dinks were like a piece of thing that you colored and then you put in the oven and it became hard, right? [00:34:48] Speaker B: Yeah, it. Yeah, because it was just. It was just plastic and as you baked it, it. It shrank. [00:34:52] Speaker A: Cuz I had Ghostbusters Shrinky Dinks, but they were just like flat, like. [00:34:57] Speaker C: Yep. [00:34:57] Speaker A: Pictures. Right. If I remember. [00:34:59] Speaker C: Yeah. Then you color shrink down when you put them in the oven. [00:35:02] Speaker A: Yeah. We did Ghostbusters, the Animated Series, Shrinky Dinks one time and we had those for a long time. [00:35:07] Speaker B: We had. I. I did several of them, but most of them were just whatever the picture was with several rows of scribbled over colored pencil color. [00:35:17] Speaker C: Yeah, like some of this stuff. [00:35:19] Speaker B: Not very good. [00:35:20] Speaker C: Just go to, you know, the Spawn World website and you guys. [00:35:25] Speaker A: Oh, it's an amazing website. [00:35:26] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Like. And all this stuff's on there. I. I have, I think since last we talked I have. I'm like 30, maybe less than 30 figures away from having everything that's been released aside. I. Dude, I am not chasing down all those different paint apps. Like in series, what is it? Series two or three, there's like 17 versions of Angela. I'm like, no, I'm doing it. I'm not. [00:35:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:57] Speaker C: If I remember, I remember the, you [00:35:59] Speaker A: know, back in the 90s, like the price guys like Toy Fair and Wizard and like they didn't know if they were factory mistakes or like intentional variants. So like the Star wars figures would have like Luke with open hand, Luke with gray gloves, Luke with black gloves. Like certain ones were. Certain amount. [00:36:16] Speaker C: So they've been doing that for. In other toy lines for that long. [00:36:20] Speaker A: That was about the same time. Okay, okay. It was. I think the Star wars line probably started it. But the ones with The Star Wars 90 line, the power of the Force line, were made mainly factory mistakes. [00:36:33] Speaker C: Oh, really? [00:36:33] Speaker A: Collectors thought would be worth more in the future. But as we've ever been to a comic con, you know that Star Wars 90s figures were worth about $2 each, right? [00:36:42] Speaker C: Yeah. Everybody thought they were going to be worth a ton of money. [00:36:44] Speaker A: Well, so everyone kept them. [00:36:46] Speaker C: Yeah, that's. [00:36:46] Speaker A: I just like playing with them when [00:36:48] Speaker C: I was a kid and see, that's the problem. Everybody that bought the Star wars figures, you know, kept them and now they think they're worth a bunch of money and they're not because so many people have them. [00:36:57] Speaker A: Right. It's always the things, the in between stuff, like probably those little mini spawns you just showed us. It's always the stuff that falls through the cracks that later is valuable. It's never the stuff and like, it's like the, you know, some shitty. I have Beetle adventure racing for N64. I probably sold it to GameStop for $4. It's probably worth like a hundred dollars on ebay right now. [00:37:20] Speaker C: Oh yeah, yeah. It kind of makes me. It kind of makes me sick sometimes when I think about the, the stuff that I had that's. Oh yeah, a bunch of money now. And I, I had at one point I had. I'd put together the original set, the original 16 series of the Garbage Bill kids. [00:37:36] Speaker B: Oh, nice. [00:37:37] Speaker C: You can't even touch. I'm not going to try to recollect them. I can't even touch. Like they're just way up there. But yeah, I had, I had the, you know, the A and B, all of them all the way up through series 16. And that one still haunts me. But you know, life goes on. [00:37:52] Speaker A: The thing that I have that cracks me up is I was just playing the new resident Evil on Switch 2. [00:37:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:56] Speaker A: And my brother got me the Switch 2, like, Pro Controller resident Evil edition for my birthday. And I was playing with that. And what's so funny is I on GameCube When Resident Evil 4 came out, they came out with a chainsaw controller. Yes, chainsaw. And you couldn't get anyone to buy that thing. It was impossible to use. It was terrible for the game, even. So I got it on clearance at GameStop. I remember, for 5.99. It was in this big, like, plastic, beautiful case. It was amazing. [00:38:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:38:24] Speaker A: 350 on eBay now, right? GameStop for 10 bucks in 2006. [00:38:28] Speaker C: Oh, you sold it? [00:38:30] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I don't have it. Oh, I sold it. But it's worth like 350. [00:38:33] Speaker C: Oh, no. I know. [00:38:34] Speaker A: If you have the box right now. [00:38:35] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:38:36] Speaker A: But I bought it for $6. [00:38:38] Speaker C: That is, that is crazy. [00:38:39] Speaker A: I remember they were giving away copies of metroid prime on GameCube. They're like 2.99. And now the game's probably worth like 40 bucks. [00:38:46] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. I mean, there's, there's some figures out there. Like, I mean, I, I talked about it on my YouTube channel, but the, the 5 cent variant for the, for the Overkill. Yeah, I. That thing, if you can find it, goes for like easy 150, 180 bucks. I got this. I was like, just doom scrolling on Facebook, Marketplace. And I always look for. I've been looking for this thing for like three or four years. And I saw it and I'm like, my, I'm. I, you know, I teach in the evenings for like six months of the year and my class was taking their final exam. So I'm just sitting there doom scrolling on Facebook. And I'm going and going and I don't usually go that deep, but I had nothing else to do. And I saw it and I went, holy. And all my students just look over at me. I'd actually had my daughter with me that night. I said, I said, make this picture bigger. And you know, she zooms in on. I'm like, holy. I said, this guy. I saw that it was like less than 50 bucks, so I just clicked buy. And then I'm like, how much I just get this for? And I, I spent 30 bucks plus shipping. [00:39:52] Speaker B: Oh, nice. [00:39:53] Speaker C: And got this thing and I'm like, there's no way. You know, I just got this thing and it looks like, like case fresh, like minty, like, just came out of the case. So, I mean, I. I definitely scored on that one. [00:40:02] Speaker A: That's amazing. [00:40:03] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:40:04] Speaker C: So it definitely feels good, like when you get a grail or, you know, get something like that. But yeah. [00:40:08] Speaker A: Do you have anything you don't have that you definitely want to have? [00:40:13] Speaker C: I. I don't know if there's anything that, like, for my collection that I'm like, I mean, I need to. [00:40:19] Speaker A: What was your biggest gap? What was your grail that you got? What was your biggest, like. I can't believe I got that. I did it. [00:40:26] Speaker C: I mean, probably. Probably the 5 cent variant. [00:40:29] Speaker A: Yeah, it's amazing. [00:40:30] Speaker C: I mean, I have, you know, I have, you know, the, the guns, like the 12 inch figures. Some of those are pretty pricey. I did get those. But as far as, like another grail, I think, and I think that would probably be it. [00:40:47] Speaker A: Okay. Have a nut grail. What is your. Like, if you had to, like, guess, like, I know there's probably like a top 10, but like, someone's holding a gun to your head, they're like, what is your favorite piece of your collection? What would you say? [00:41:02] Speaker C: Honestly? I mean, my favorite piece and okay, my favorite piece that I didn't buy would be the. The dog spawn action figure that Jet Lucana sent me. That's amazing that I love this thing. I mean, there's only, you know, three in the world. Healy has one, Todd McFarlane has one, and he sent me one. [00:41:25] Speaker B: I was about to say very limited edition. I am, I am quite, quite envious of that. [00:41:31] Speaker C: Like this. I mean, handmade. I mean, he's got the. He's got the spawn orb around his neck. He's got this face painted up. [00:41:38] Speaker A: Like, that's amazing. [00:41:39] Speaker C: He made the cape and distressed it himself. This thing, just fantastic. [00:41:43] Speaker A: That's so cool. [00:41:44] Speaker C: This is probably the. My favorite piece in my collection. [00:41:46] Speaker B: Look at that. [00:41:47] Speaker C: You know that that was not mass produced. Yeah, just. It's wicked. Yeah. That's why he sits behind me. He's like. He's protecting me. [00:41:56] Speaker B: Speaking of. Speaking of Jet, I hear that you are the first. The first recipient of a Jet original. [00:42:04] Speaker C: I. I did not know that he had not sold his art previously. And as soon as he made that post. Here, I'll grab it. [00:42:12] Speaker B: Nice. Oh, it's way bigger than I thought it was. [00:42:15] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. I mean, it's. It's pretty good size, but, you know, he had it up. He posted up on Instagram, said it was a supporting submission on my son. You Know, I messaged him. I said, hey, and I was genuine. I said, you know, if you decide to sell that, I said, let me know. And he messaged me and he said, yeah, he would sell it. I was like, there's no way. So then I. I messaged, you know, his dad, because that's who I sent the payment through. And I said. I said, no. Is Jet sold any art before? And he said, no. And I'm like, seriously? Like, just his attention to detail just is wild. [00:42:42] Speaker A: So I'm amazing. [00:42:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:42:45] Speaker A: Picture. [00:42:46] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:42:46] Speaker A: Gunslinger. [00:42:47] Speaker B: I wish I remember what issue it was in. [00:42:50] Speaker A: It was in an issue. It's amazing. [00:42:53] Speaker B: It's the one with all the. All the spikes on the. [00:42:55] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:42:57] Speaker B: But on the wrist guard, you know, [00:42:59] Speaker C: it's like his shading and his detail and his, you know, his attention to articulation, it's just. It's wild. Like, I've just watched his art just grow, you know, as. [00:43:07] Speaker B: He's a talented kid. Jesus. [00:43:10] Speaker C: Definitely. So I'm. I'm honored to be his first. His first customer. You know, see what else he does. I didn't realize he hadn't sold him before. [00:43:19] Speaker B: That's awesome. [00:43:20] Speaker C: So that was really cool. So. [00:43:21] Speaker A: So I think I. I've been thinking, seeing how long we are in the episode, how much fun I've been talking to them. This my proposal is now mid episode. I think we're going to do just King Spawn tonight, and then we'll have you back two other times to round out the 50s. So we'll do King Spawn tonight. [00:43:42] Speaker C: Sure. [00:43:43] Speaker A: In a couple weeks we'll do Gunslinger 50. A couple weeks after that, we'll do Scorch 50. [00:43:50] Speaker C: That works for me. [00:43:52] Speaker A: Hell yeah. I. I don't want to cut anything off. I'm just having so much fun. [00:43:57] Speaker C: Okay, so tell you what. Next show we will just. I'll turn the lights off so we don't. [00:44:04] Speaker A: No, don't don't turn the lights off. [00:44:05] Speaker C: This is amazing because, I mean, the listeners. The listeners don't get a chance to. To actually. [00:44:12] Speaker A: They enjoy our. We'll. We'll make it entertaining. But like. Oh, no, it's so amazing to have this niche thing. [00:44:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:21] Speaker A: Like Spawn that you love. And when you get to connect with someone because, like, you know, Dave and I talk to each other, it's old hat everywhere. Blah, blah, blah. But when you talk to like a. And then like, even when I met you with Spawn Con, and just being a Spawn Con, like, just when you meet someone's like, oh, my God. Like, I'M not like an alien. Because, like, people at work or, like, anywhere, they're like, oh, he does a Spawn podcast. And they're like. And they kind of. And what makes it worse is they kind of know who he is. [00:44:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:44:46] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Spawn. He was that guy that's like Spider man from the 90s, right? He's like. He's not like Spider Man. [00:44:54] Speaker C: To add to your point, Johnny, like, the thing is, like, you know, where I live, there's, like, hard. I have nobody to talk about Spawn with. And that was, like, the whole reason for me wanting to launch my YouTube channel was because it's like, I want to talk about Spawn, but I have nobody to talk with. So. And then, you know, I was getting on, you know, YouTube or other places, and there's no real Spawn content, and I was seeing people saying, you know, where's the movie? And what about this and what about that? So I said, we need a centralized channel to where I can bring everybody together. Yeah. And, you know, I could just talk about the movies and talk about comics and talk about the figures and, you know, and anything along those lines, and I might not have to anybody to sit down and physically talk to, but, you know, I can talk to my audience through the camera and that. I mean, that's why I did it. And, you know, you guys have your podcast, your, you know, that's audio, and then we have Spawnography. And then, you know, you know, I'm on YouTube there. So we are trying to fill that gap and, you know, bring everybody together. And that's. That's my goal, is just to entertain people and bring people information. [00:46:02] Speaker A: Well, what I always loved about when I talked to you at spawncon is you were like, hey, I really like talking to you because you actually read it. [00:46:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:46:10] Speaker A: Like, so many people, like, they just collect the figures, they collect the covers, and you're like, no, I'm here. I'm here for all of it, you know, and, like, that's what I always appreciate is that. Yeah, you know, it's such a cool thing to be a part of because it's this huge story at this point, you know. [00:46:24] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:46:25] Speaker A: Like, over what? Between everything. What has to be over, like, 3,000, 4,000 issues, like, between all the spin off, I'm sure, like, at least two or three thousand. Right. I'm just. I'm just trying to, like, add it up real quick in my head. [00:46:39] Speaker C: But, like, I say, well, I have, like, I track everything with my CLZ app, and it's 90. I'm not kidding. 99 of my comic collection is Spawn, and I have 1600 books that I've tracked, so. And I think that's counting, like, the trades and the Omnibi. And, like, I have all the, the hardcore or the collector's edition. I have the omnibus. I have all the trades, I guess there. But, like, I, I read it and, you know, I would get online in, like, Facebook groups or try to talk to people like, oh, my God, did you guys read that last issue? Like, I can't believe what just happened. And crickets. Like, nobody says anything. So, I mean, it's fine if you're just collecting for the art. That's great. If you're just collecting because you think the figure's cool, that's awesome. But I want somebody to talk to. [00:47:27] Speaker B: Yeah, [00:47:30] Speaker C: I will sit here and tell my camera, you know, hey, guys, you know, this is awesome. This is what I loved about it. You know, this is great. You know, I just, I, I, I want to share it. And, you know, it's hard. Like, I, I'm, I'm probably the. There's maybe a handful of people, literally a handful of people that go to my comic shop. But my comic, my comic shop takes really good care of me. They get everything. Like, I know we're not going to get to it tonight, but the Gunslinger, I actually went and did the, um, the one in 100. I went that high. I told him, I said, if I come in here and tell you that I want to go any higher than that. I said, you can punch me in the mouth. Don't let me. I said, but I do want to do the one on one in 100 for gunslinger, because, you know, that's my guy. And so I have, like, 80 copies of Gunslinger. You know, it's like, what am I gonna do with these? But, you know, hey, maybe they'll be worth a ton of money. I don't know. [00:48:23] Speaker B: Get giveaways. [00:48:24] Speaker C: Oh, no, I, I really do. I love to do giveaways, you know, and get boy and. [00:48:29] Speaker B: Or like Johnny. Johnny and I have a, have a, have an issue. You can leave on a seat on the bus, right? [00:48:35] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:48:36] Speaker B: Believe me, you gotta ride the bus first, though. [00:48:38] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, right. Yeah. We don't really have buses around here. But I say, I don't know if you guys remember. I mean, it's been a couple months now. But, you know, I did that giveaway on my YouTube channel for the, for the, the mini comic, and I'm still waiting for the winner to receive it because he lives In Turkey. [00:48:52] Speaker B: Oh, dang. [00:48:53] Speaker C: We've had to jump through a few hoops to get it to him. It's on its way, but it's. It's not going to get there till, like, the middle of next month. So Hell spawn Collector on Instagram be looking for his post when he finally gets it. I'm excited for him to get it. [00:49:09] Speaker A: That's amazing. [00:49:10] Speaker B: Make sure we are following them right now. [00:49:13] Speaker C: As soon as. I believe that's. I believe that's the right name. His. If. If you find his page, like, his pictures kind of have a yellow tinge to him, like the lighting in his room. Yep, yep. [00:49:25] Speaker B: You're already following him. [00:49:26] Speaker C: Okay. Okay, cool. [00:49:28] Speaker B: Might have actually shouted them out at one point. [00:49:30] Speaker A: We have. I recognize that name and have my minds, like, Wikipedia, baby. [00:49:35] Speaker C: Okay, all right, so. All right. Before we. I. I just want to say that it was a very humbling moment when. So the winner, you know, Terhan, he. He messaged me, like, on three different things, like, oh, my God, I saw that. I won. And he asks me if he could. He's asking if we could talk, and I'm like, sure. And he says, you know, we can talk on WhatsApp or Discord. I'm like, oh, God, this is a scam. But no. So I said, wait, I do have WhatsApp. So he calls me, and this just floored me. But he says, you know, he says, you know, sorry for my English, you know, that's my. Not my first language. I said, I can understand you just fine. And he says, today is the greatest day of my life. I said, oh, because you won the contest? And he says, no, because I'm talking to you. [00:50:23] Speaker A: Oh, that's amazing. [00:50:24] Speaker C: That's like, hell, yeah. To me, you know, to me, I'm like, nobody, but, I mean, this guy halfway across the world, you know, it. It meant something to him, and I'm glad that I can, you know, bring him joy and happiness. But, you know, when he said that, I'm like, I'm nobody. Like, but, you know, to him, to him, I'm somebody, and that. That meant a lot to me, and I'm glad that. I'm glad that, you know, the prize went to somebody that's going to appreciate it, and it didn't go to somebody. I mean, I don't care what anybody does with their prize or anybody does with the giveaway. If they want to sell it, flip it, I don't care. But the fact that I know that it went to somebody that's truly going to appreciate it and enjoy it just means a lot to me. And that's. That's part of the reason I do the giveaways is just to, you know, help people out. And I mean. And, you know, it's a lot of fun. [00:51:08] Speaker A: Yeah, well, and I feel the same way. Like, my mom's always like, did you get a sponsorship with Casper Mattress yet on your podcast? I'm like, no, mom. And I'm like, it's so niche. And my dad's always like, you know, if you did something a little less niche, you probably have more listeners. And I'm like, yeah, no, but I don't want to do a podcast about anything else. [00:51:26] Speaker C: Right. [00:51:26] Speaker A: Like, this is what I want to talk about. [00:51:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:29] Speaker A: The point is, I found something this niche when I. When I looked around the world, I was like, no one's into this. So I last wanted David because I was like, David knows comics. Because, like, David were friends. Like, we were friends. [00:51:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:43] Speaker A: But, like, we weren't like. Like, Spawn definitely made us closer friends because definitely I was like, sit there obsessed with Spawn during the pandemic or during 2021, you know, it was basically still the pandemic in Chicago. So there was another lockdown to come that next winter and the next winter. And I was upset. I was like, who can I talk to? And I was like, david. Well, no. And I was like, david, I started reading comics. I'm into Spawn. And he was like, oh, cool, I'll start reading them. I was like, sweet. We were talking about it. I was like, there's no Spawn Con. And this was like, you know, there's nothing, you know, and it was just like, you know, there was Spawn World or, you know, that was the website, and that was great. And the Reddit was. I don't. I haven't gone on Reddit in a long time for Swan, but, like, back then, it was nothing. I don't know if it's gotten better or not. Hopefully it's gotten better. [00:52:32] Speaker C: Actually, a friend of mine, Adam, he runs Spawns Universe over there on Reddit. [00:52:39] Speaker A: Response Universe. A new one. That's good. That's good. [00:52:41] Speaker C: Yeah. There's a sponsor, Reddit. [00:52:43] Speaker A: Spawn was not very good. [00:52:44] Speaker C: No, he's actually doing a contest over there right now. Um, it's, um. He's letting people. Or he's wanting people to do submissions of, like, covers, uh, draw, you know, a cover for a concert. [00:52:56] Speaker B: Cool. [00:52:56] Speaker C: You know, and why do you know, [00:52:58] Speaker A: there wasn't a Spawns Universe? Reddit we got. It was just. That was it. So that's cool. That's amazing. [00:53:05] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, and see that. And that's the thing. You know, you said there wasn't anything on Reddit. I mean, but, you know, there is now. You decided, you know, to make this Spawn podcast. I decided to make the Spawn YouTube channel. It's like, we. We found an avoid and we filled it or, you know. [00:53:20] Speaker A: Right. [00:53:21] Speaker C: We're trying to fill it. [00:53:22] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:53:22] Speaker C: You know, bring it to people. [00:53:24] Speaker A: It's like, I don't. What am I gonna do? Like, okay, okay, dad, you're right. I should get Casper Matches commercials. I'll do a true Murder podcast. [00:53:32] Speaker C: Right. [00:53:32] Speaker A: I'll do a Star wars podcast. Even though Star wars podcast. But. But. But, like, I didn't. I wanted to talk. I wanted to be like, is anyone else? Is anyone else? [00:53:45] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:53:47] Speaker A: Paying attention, how cool Spawn is and, like, how it's, like, this important. You know, it's a cultural force that's been going since 1991. [00:53:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:55] Speaker A: And it's just. It's really cool to be a part of it. [00:53:57] Speaker C: And [00:53:59] Speaker A: I guess at some point we talk about king spawn 50, but I'm just feeling the glow of, like, being around another Spawn fan and just seeing all this stuff and being like. It's just so cool to have, like, a shorthand language where, like, you know. And you obviously know you're deeper in it than us, even. But, like, it's just so cool to be able to be, like, connect with someone and be like, oh, yeah, I know what you're talking about when you're talking about 2004 McFarlane clam shell figures, you know? [00:54:25] Speaker C: Yeah, but see, I did not. I mean, I. I was into Spawn back in the day, but, you know, I kind of had a break, you know, had. You know, life happened and happens. You know, I got my. I got my comics back in 2019, and, you know, I was only up to issue 150, and so it wasn't really until, like, 2019, this whole collection has came together since 2019 that none of this. None of this is from, like, back in the day. Except for one. One figure. The Gravedigger from. I can't remember what series he's from, but that's, like, my only original figure that I have. All of this, you know, has came together since then. So, I mean, the fact that, you know, I've got my channel going, you know, and I. You know, I've only been back into 2019, you guys recently, you know, got back into Spawn. You know, none of us have, you know, been collecting since the very beginning and. [00:55:18] Speaker A: Right. [00:55:19] Speaker C: We just, you know, want to share our love for it. [00:55:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. And it's a very special thing. What better way to share the love than in this? Because we got a long. That's the other reason we need to do many episodes. [00:55:34] Speaker C: Yeah. Because [00:55:37] Speaker A: we got a fat list of covers together. [00:55:39] Speaker C: We're going to talk about comics. I forgot. Yeah. If I. [00:55:41] Speaker B: If I'm. If I made one tangent before we. A quick tangent. But you said you only had the gravedigger was probably the only figure you had left over. I. I thought that you meant that there was a gravedigger monster truck that was reskinned and spawn instead of skulls. And I was so pumped. And now I think. I think we need to email. We need to email Todd and have him do. [00:56:08] Speaker C: Hey, not monster truck, but, you know, the. The funny had that he auctioned. [00:56:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:16] Speaker C: I can't tell you where, but I know where it is. [00:56:19] Speaker B: Oh, nice. Will they let you drive it? [00:56:22] Speaker C: Right. There's no engine in it. But there's no engine. It's just the car. But I know where it is. I have not. I have not seen it. But. Yeah, this is. This is the only piece that I have, like, from my original collection. Like back in the day, I really only had like 30 figures, I think. But. Yeah, he's the only one that was only the only OG Everything else in here has been bought as of recent. [00:56:45] Speaker A: I had a lot of. I still. So I still have my movie Maniacs. Well, actually, it's a separate line, but I still have a McFarlane 1999 complete. They're out of box, but I have them. My Sleepy Hollow line. Yeah, I have all those figures. And the diorama with the headless horseman, which was the first. It said on the package. First figure with. He had rubber boots on and articulation, so you couldn't see the joints. Oh, he could sit on the horse. Yeah, he can move his legs. We had rubber boots. So, like, he didn't see the joints and like the articulation. [00:57:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:57:16] Speaker A: The only thing about crane figure is a really good figure. And then they have the crone, which is one of the. It's just a bad figure. Is the only one you could find at most stores because no one wanted that figure. But I had that. I had the alien. I remember I had the McFarlane. One thing I wish I had. So I had the McFarlane movie Maniacs. Alien Queen. It was like this big. It was. Yeah, I'm doing like the full. Like, I'm like holding a baby. If you're not. Since you're not seeing this. [00:57:41] Speaker C: But like. [00:57:41] Speaker A: Yeah, it was heavy and it was like sinewy and like. Oh, there was like weight to it. Like those, those two. It was, it was right around 2003, 2004. Those, those figures were really something special. [00:57:54] Speaker C: Yeah. The only thing that I have for the monster, the movie monsters is I like Pumpkinhead. I have, I do have. [00:58:00] Speaker A: I like when they made Movie Maniacs back and they brought back the 40 year old version. [00:58:06] Speaker C: Yeah, that was it. [00:58:08] Speaker A: It was the 40 year old version. The dude. Yeah, there was like a. It was. [00:58:13] Speaker C: Oh yeah. [00:58:13] Speaker A: The big Daisy confused those or it was days confused Matthew McConaughey. [00:58:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:19] Speaker A: And it was like, is this what we wanted with Movie Maniacs? [00:58:22] Speaker C: Yeah, right. It's movie. But I don't see the maniac. I see the movie. [00:58:26] Speaker A: I don't see the man. That. That 40 year old version is a maniac. [00:58:30] Speaker C: Right. [00:58:32] Speaker A: Anyway, so we are covering today. King spawn 50. [00:58:37] Speaker C: Yes, finally. [00:58:38] Speaker A: And we have several covers to get through. [00:58:43] Speaker C: Oh yeah, we have definitely have several covers. [00:58:46] Speaker A: So if the A cover. [00:58:48] Speaker B: Nice. Very beautiful. Todd McFarlane work. [00:58:50] Speaker A: The Todd McFarlane was. It's like a birthday cake or like, it's like a. It's like a social media prank. We like open something and it like blows up and it's 50. It spawns like, what the is this? And it's 50 and he's holding the 50 and it's classic Todd McFarlane. So like it's just him drawing Spawn. So it's gonna be good. [00:59:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:11] Speaker C: Which one do you have only have? I say I also only have the A cover because, well, when I go to my comic shop, I'd have them, you know, I always pull a reader copy. So I just have them give me an extra A. [00:59:19] Speaker B: Nice. [00:59:20] Speaker C: So yeah, I. Right now I just have the A. That way I don't damage the other books. Because there was one time I was reading an issue of Gun. I remember the exact issue it was. I was reading an issue of Gunslinger 13. You know, I just got my books from the comic shop and I'm sitting there reading it and it was like summertime and I was drinking a glass of iced tea and I bring the cup up to take a drink and the condensation on the cup drips on the page and I'm like, ah, man. So after that I told my comic shop, I said, I want a reader copy. One that I don't care what happens to it. [00:59:49] Speaker A: So it's always the way to go. [00:59:51] Speaker C: Yeah, Like, I have a giant box over here, reader copies that. I think I'm gonna maybe do bundles of giveaways or something. Like, I have. I have a. [00:59:58] Speaker B: So many nice. [00:59:59] Speaker A: I, I get. I get two subscriptions to Fangoria, the horror magazine, which is a beautiful quarterly issue now. It's a beautiful piece of art. [01:00:08] Speaker C: Oh, they do it. [01:00:09] Speaker B: Okay. [01:00:09] Speaker A: They do it quarterly now. And I, I, I always get two, because then I can just beat the. Out of one. And it's great. I carry it around my bag, I spill on it. I'm like, I don't care. [01:00:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:00:21] Speaker A: You know, it's worth it for me just using it. [01:00:23] Speaker B: Use it as a napkin while you're eating lunch. [01:00:24] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. I can. I can dry, you know, my forehead while I'm, While I'm reading it. You know, it's right. [01:00:30] Speaker A: Fly with it or a wasp or something. [01:00:31] Speaker B: Roll it up, stick it in your back pocket so that way you can take it with you. [01:00:34] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, that guy. That always. But then I always feel bad reading Fangoria I'm like, at Arby's, and I'm reading it, and there's, like, a naked, like, gutted woman on one page. Like, full color spread of, like, a horrible image. And I'm like, hopefully no one's looking. [01:00:49] Speaker C: Not, not to get too far, too far off topic again here, but actually, there was a. There was a fem. I think it's a femme fatale magazine that was released of the Women of Spawn. [01:00:59] Speaker A: Really? [01:00:59] Speaker C: Oh, and you get to see Jessica Priest topless. [01:01:04] Speaker A: Well, we almost see it in Gunslinger and, like, Gunslinger six or seven. [01:01:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:01:08] Speaker A: Remember, she's, like, distracted by my breast. Okay. [01:01:13] Speaker C: But I'm not. I'm not talking about comic book. I'm talking about the actress from the movie. [01:01:17] Speaker A: Oh. [01:01:18] Speaker C: I'm talking about real. The real people, like. Yes. [01:01:20] Speaker A: Well. Okay, well, I'm sorry. I'm gonna go Google something. [01:01:26] Speaker C: We need to pause the podcast. [01:01:29] Speaker B: We did not edit out a long pause here. Definitely not. [01:01:32] Speaker C: I, I, I did have the. I, I do have it. It's over there. It's in my magazine collection over there on the other side of the room. Yeah, there was a. I think it was a femme fatale magazine, and it said the Women of Spawn or. [01:01:43] Speaker A: That's cool. What's so funny is I remember they did egm would do a swimsuit issue, and they would just. It would be drawn. Of course, it was like Final Fantasy VII characters, but they do a swimsuit issue every. [01:01:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:01:56] Speaker A: Like, you know, whatever. And I, I sort of being like, Whoa, whoa, whoa. Right. Jill Valentine for Resident Evil. [01:02:02] Speaker C: Yeah. Right. [01:02:03] Speaker B: Well, I mean, the. Marvel would do that, too. Marvel would have their swimsuit editions every year. [01:02:07] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, I do remember Marvel doing that. Yeah. [01:02:10] Speaker A: We need to bring it back. And we need to get Terry in that swimsuit. [01:02:13] Speaker C: Dc. [01:02:14] Speaker B: DC did one last year. I think they might do one this year. [01:02:17] Speaker A: Terry in that American flag thong. And then Mark and some. Mark. Not you Mark, the other Mark. Mark Rosen in some board shorts. [01:02:30] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah. [01:02:31] Speaker C: All right. [01:02:33] Speaker A: With the helmet. [01:02:37] Speaker C: Just holding. Holding the helmet in a certain way. [01:02:39] Speaker B: Yeah, holding the helmet in a certain area with no hands. [01:02:43] Speaker A: Right. [01:02:46] Speaker B: He's talented, Johnny. [01:02:49] Speaker C: I've heard a song about putting it in the box whenever. A helmet. [01:02:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:02:55] Speaker B: Okay, on that note, I have the Virgin cover C. The Scotty Young. [01:02:59] Speaker A: Nice. [01:02:59] Speaker C: Yes. [01:03:00] Speaker B: So I love this. [01:03:00] Speaker A: Nice. [01:03:01] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:03:02] Speaker B: This is a little. Little Chibi Spawn on his little. Little throne of Chibi skulls. It's just cheese. [01:03:11] Speaker C: I haven't actually put those side by side yet to see, like, the full cover. I've seen people post it up online, but I haven't actually done it myself. [01:03:17] Speaker B: Oh, of all the 50s. [01:03:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:03:20] Speaker B: Do all of them do it? [01:03:22] Speaker C: Yeah, all the 50s have a Scotty Young Chibi cover. [01:03:24] Speaker A: They. [01:03:24] Speaker C: They connect. [01:03:25] Speaker A: Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, it's amazing. [01:03:28] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. That's great. I was. [01:03:32] Speaker A: Is there anywhere to see all these covers? [01:03:35] Speaker C: I mean, if you go to. [01:03:37] Speaker B: There's only three of them on the website, so. [01:03:39] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Let's just cover those. What was the version cover? [01:03:44] Speaker B: One of them is the Blank cover. [01:03:46] Speaker A: Oh, the. [01:03:47] Speaker C: Okay, the Virgin cover. See, if you go to the Clz. Well, you. I don't know if you can. You'd have to, I think, pay for the Clz on your desktop, but. [01:03:54] Speaker A: Oh, I have comic. I have a cover price. Hold on, give me one second. [01:03:58] Speaker C: So they have the. Yeah, the Mark Spears and then the. The Todd McFarlanes. That's just all, you know, the same as the first on this one. I said the puppeteer. I have them. Oh, no, the Puppeteer Lee is on the inside cover. He's the puppeteer Lee. That's the COVID for. [01:04:16] Speaker B: That's the. The King Spawn one cover. Did they reskin the. The number one cover? [01:04:21] Speaker C: Oh, shoot. Maybe. I don't remember. Honestly, I can't remember this. The Mark Spears cover for the King Spawn. I mean, this is all the way back in October. I have them all. I have them all. They're just over there across the room, [01:04:35] Speaker A: weirdly enough, on my collection. Besides, some Random Star wars comic and King Swan number or spawn number. One most valuable combat I have is spawn 314. Worth $65. [01:04:51] Speaker B: Nice. [01:04:52] Speaker A: Good to know. [01:04:54] Speaker C: Okay. On. Okay. If you want to ask me, like, the one thing that I thought that I would never have when I got back into my comics was because I was looking at the, you know, the prices of things because, like I said, I stopped collecting at 150, and I did not think I was ever going to get 174 and 175. Right. [01:05:09] Speaker A: Those are the ones. Right. [01:05:11] Speaker C: I. I paid a thousand dollars for those two books raw, and they are currently right now sitting at the CGC getting graded. So I'm curious. I'm anxious to see what I'm gna get back because I think they're at least a 96 or 98. Both of them. Easy. [01:05:25] Speaker B: Nice. This is a good segue. So I have one slabbed book, Mark. [01:05:30] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:05:31] Speaker B: And it's. It was from my friends. It's one of the first issues we covered in, so issue 330. And I made the mistake of often getting the blank variants. So I have a slabbed, blank variant of 330. [01:05:48] Speaker C: That's fine. [01:05:49] Speaker B: That's fine. It's. It's awesome. [01:05:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:05:52] Speaker A: So we have the Mark Spears cover. [01:05:55] Speaker B: Yes. [01:05:55] Speaker A: Which is Spawn. Look like a demon. He's coming at you. Can you see that, David? [01:06:01] Speaker B: Let me type. It's. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's black and black and red. Maybe a little bit blue there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:06:09] Speaker A: So we have that. We love Mark Spears, Guests of the podcast. [01:06:14] Speaker B: Hell of a good time. Hell of a good time. If you can get Mark Spears on your show, Mark, do it. [01:06:19] Speaker C: Make it the Mark show eventually. Yeah, the Mark Mark show eventually. I do plan to have to do interviews and stuff on my. On the YouTube channel in Spanish. Mark E. Marky Mark. I do have, actually somebody. Somebody is. Was friends with Mark Spears. He doesn't live too far from him. And they sent me a signed Mark Spears book. I mean, it's the Spawn. [01:06:41] Speaker A: Was it. Was it misfit Spawn or. [01:06:44] Speaker C: It's the Spawn. I think it's not 372. It's. It's like the first Mark Spears cover that he did. [01:06:51] Speaker B: Okay, so back in. Back in. What was. Was. [01:06:57] Speaker C: Let's see. That was. [01:06:57] Speaker A: Okay, so after some investigating, they're really only four covers. Covers. So there's the. A cover, which we covered. There's the Mark Spears variant, which is amazing. [01:07:07] Speaker B: Yes. [01:07:07] Speaker A: And there's a Puppeteer Lee cover, which [01:07:09] Speaker B: is also Amazing, because we'll just spawn [01:07:12] Speaker A: all his glory coming at you. It's the exact opposite of the first cover. Yeah, it's very well lit, and it's blue. It's not in the black. It's like, you remember that king spawn one where he's just in the spotlight and it's just like. [01:07:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:24] Speaker A: Oh, man. And then we have. Yes. The Chibi spawn. And then we have three variants of the fifth Eve by Todd McFarlane. We have a black and white, a virgin, and a sketch which is worth. It's one of 1,000. It's worth $2,194. [01:07:44] Speaker B: Is it because it's a actual sketch on a book or. [01:07:46] Speaker A: I don't know. [01:07:47] Speaker C: No, I. I would say most of that value is because of the amount of books that you had to buy, the amount of money you had to spend to get it right. [01:07:54] Speaker A: The 1 in 1000 cover price. I don't know how accurate they are, so it's just. It's just a website I use to keep track of my comics. [01:08:01] Speaker C: Yeah, this was the first Mark Spears cover that he ever did. 356. [01:08:05] Speaker B: Okay. Awesome. [01:08:05] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, that one. [01:08:06] Speaker A: That's so cool. God. Remember that? Remember the. The series he did with, like, the really, like, the Turk? He did one of each series. He did a king spawn, a scores, a spawn, and a gunslinger. It was the really. There's, like, the turquoise in the purple background, so it was probably like kings. It was run, like, I don't know, a couple years ago. Those were amazing. [01:08:27] Speaker B: There was that. There was that one that had. It was clown. Clown with the Goonies. And the one with the cat. [01:08:35] Speaker A: Marc Spears calls the omens little mini clowns. He calls them goonies. [01:08:39] Speaker C: Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know which one you're talking about. [01:08:42] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. He always calls them. There's one with. Who's his name? Zeb. Who's. Who's the. Who's the vampire guy in the suit? The rotting face guy in the suit. It wasn't Zab. [01:08:53] Speaker B: Wasn't. It wasn't the freak. It was. No, I. Oh, what is his fucking name? [01:08:59] Speaker A: He was the rotting guy in the suit. That was like, kind of a big bad for like a little arc. [01:09:03] Speaker B: Yeah, he was. He was working with the vampires. Right? [01:09:07] Speaker C: It's so. [01:09:08] Speaker A: See. Exactly. It's so hard to keep up. But luckily, we're in the here and now, and we have. That is the best we're gonna get to covering these covers. So look it up. If you want subscribe to a place to get to pay for. So see, comic book covers. [01:09:21] Speaker C: Yes. [01:09:22] Speaker A: So let's crack this. Let's crack this sucker open, kids. Spawn 50, baby. Plot and script by Todd McFarlane. Plot by Rory McConville. Wait, what the hell? There's two plots. [01:09:35] Speaker B: Maybe it's. It's plot assistants. Or maybe Todd McFarlane and Rory McConville came up with the plot together. [01:09:41] Speaker A: The plot thickens. [01:09:42] Speaker C: Yeah, but they usually they put like a slash by their names and put them together. This time they're separate. I just. I didn't notice that. [01:09:47] Speaker A: There's just so many credits here. Art by Carlo Barberi. Chapter one, Steven Segovia. Our boy. Chapter four, Ivan Noon. See the colors? Lettering by an world design cover artist. There are eight of them and most of them are Todd McFarlane. And we covered them. Brave director is one Mr. Todd McFarlane. And editor in chief is Mr. Thomas. Hard working man in show business, Healy. [01:10:17] Speaker C: No kidding. [01:10:18] Speaker A: Previously in King Spawn. Spawn is dealing with the aftermath of hell's attack on Earth. You know, he's been doing this for a while. He's been dealing with this aftermath for many issues, I feel. [01:10:29] Speaker C: Yes, yes, he has. [01:10:31] Speaker B: A couple. A couple of times. [01:10:33] Speaker A: A couple of times. [01:10:34] Speaker B: A couple of times. [01:10:35] Speaker A: And we open on a big metal hand. Will you open a chapter one? Well, first, the first thing you notice when you're reading this, if you're reading in order, it's like chapter one, Chapter four. What the. [01:10:49] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, I noticed that. I said the same thing. [01:10:52] Speaker A: Who's this guy? I think he is Quentin Tarantino. [01:10:54] Speaker C: Yeah, right. He's doing a little Pulp Fiction action here. [01:10:57] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [01:10:58] Speaker B: Or maybe even what's his face who did Memento? [01:11:01] Speaker A: Christopher Nolan. [01:11:03] Speaker B: Nolan. Was that Nolan? Okay. Does he think he's. Does he think he's Memento? [01:11:08] Speaker C: Memento is a really good movie. [01:11:10] Speaker A: Oh, it's amazing. [01:11:10] Speaker B: It's a good movie. [01:11:11] Speaker A: Yeah, you gotta love Christopher Nolan. Excited about Guy Pierce. [01:11:15] Speaker B: Is that. [01:11:16] Speaker A: Who was it, Troy? What is it? It's the Odyssey. What's basically that? [01:11:21] Speaker B: Is it. Is this the one with old guy. Old guy fiends. Ralph fiends. [01:11:29] Speaker A: Matt Damon. [01:11:30] Speaker B: Matt Damon. Oh, so was Ralph finds in the other one. [01:11:33] Speaker A: The other what? [01:11:34] Speaker B: The other Odyssey movie. [01:11:36] Speaker A: There was another Odyssey. I remember the Wishbone Odyssey with Wishbone because. [01:11:40] Speaker B: Because there was the Christopher Nolan Odyssey that comes out next year. [01:11:43] Speaker A: Yes. [01:11:44] Speaker B: And then there's another Odyssey that's coming out around the same time, but I think a little earlier. So there's two big Odyssey movies coming out at the same time. [01:11:51] Speaker A: I don't think Ray Fies is the null one. I think that is, it's probably the [01:11:55] Speaker B: other day because, because yeah, one of them is more concerned with Odysseus coming home. And I think Nolan's is maybe more of the adventures. [01:12:05] Speaker A: Nolan's gonna be about the police state post 9 11, just like his Batman trilogy. [01:12:10] Speaker B: And what is the, what is the Cyclops gonna represent? [01:12:15] Speaker A: The Patriot Act? [01:12:18] Speaker B: Palantir, pal. [01:12:21] Speaker A: You can't even say it right. [01:12:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I can't. My mouth is dumb. [01:12:25] Speaker A: They're watching you. Data center will download us again. This is 250 times. [01:12:31] Speaker B: What do you, what do you mean, Johnny? This is just an AI of David Williams you have been interacting with. [01:12:35] Speaker C: I, I thought something was off. I, I, I didn't. [01:12:39] Speaker A: We talked about it on the show, Marks, you might remember. But there has been a data center in Sterling, Virginia. [01:12:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:12:45] Speaker A: That has downloaded our episodes or download 200 episodes at a time multiple days over the last six months. Someone's like asking AI to listen to all of our episodes in Sterling, Virginia. Yeah. Because you can track that on like your listens on the podcast stuff. [01:13:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:13:02] Speaker A: One day we had 265 listens in Sterling, Virginia and I was like, what? So I did some googling. There's a giant data center there. I was like, surely that's the only explanation for someone downloading 265, which is more episodes than we can have. [01:13:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:13:17] Speaker A: In one day. Surely it's a data center, not just so much coming to kill me. Right. [01:13:23] Speaker C: Yeah, that, yeah, that's, that gotta be, that has to be something. Like something's up with that. [01:13:28] Speaker A: It's really weird, but I did some Internet sleuthing, figured it out, so. [01:13:33] Speaker C: Oh, so you guys can actually see who listens to the. [01:13:36] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, we can see, we can see. [01:13:38] Speaker C: Like, so you can see that I listen every week faithfully. [01:13:40] Speaker B: Well, we'd have to, we'd have to know what city you live in. [01:13:44] Speaker C: Oh, okay. [01:13:45] Speaker B: Maybe don't say that. [01:13:46] Speaker C: I would tell you after the bug. Yeah, I don't really say where I live. I just give like a general idea. But I'm not gonna like give you my address. [01:13:53] Speaker B: It also depends on if you have a VPN on or not. So it'll, it'll read as, as there if you have a vpn. But we have, we've, we've recently gotten a lot of downloads in Vietnam, so. Oh, Vietnam. [01:14:05] Speaker A: But could that be somebody listening somewhere else with a VPN that routes through Vietnam? [01:14:09] Speaker B: Potentially. Potentially. [01:14:12] Speaker A: So we have no idea. [01:14:13] Speaker C: Yeah, but either way, I mean, you've got new listeners, so it doesn't matter, really matter where they come from. [01:14:17] Speaker A: You know, gotten. [01:14:18] Speaker B: We've gotten Kenya and Kenya and Morocco in the last 90, 90 days, too. Johnny. Cool. [01:14:24] Speaker A: They're trying to scam us. So we open on chapter one, which is a giant hand coming down at our hero spawn whose ass is covered. [01:14:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:14:39] Speaker A: It kind of makes it look like he has a tall ass. You don't see any cheek on that. That's a little weird, right? You see a little cheek. But this is the end of the. It was, what was it? Portland. [01:14:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Portland. [01:14:53] Speaker C: Portland. [01:14:54] Speaker A: Fight. [01:14:55] Speaker C: Yeah. The big. [01:14:56] Speaker A: The end of the battle. And the little, the big guy shrunk into a little guy. I think that's his hand, where he's like, I'm gonna leave you alone or whatever he said, right? [01:15:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:15:10] Speaker A: And so they're all walking away. It's kind of like a little side scene of, like, what was going on there. And all the heroes are like, so that's it. Like, Cygor's like, we just gotta move on. Jessica's like, yo, he's tired. Let's just go. I can agree with that. Jessica knows how to reason, I guess. [01:15:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:32] Speaker A: She's. [01:15:32] Speaker B: She says, she says, I'll have a talk with him. Talk with him once he settles down. But in the meantime, we all need to get back to our lives. [01:15:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:15:42] Speaker B: And then, and then after dozens of heroes leave, medieval's just like, you're full of Jessica Priest. He says, I need some answers now. Jessica's like, you want me. [01:15:56] Speaker A: He's like, you want me to go back to my life? My life is being a spirit entity. It's all Mark Roses and puts a helmet on. What are you talking about? [01:16:02] Speaker C: Yeah, right? [01:16:04] Speaker B: And so, so Jessica Priest is like, you could, you could take your shot, try to get answers out of Simmons, but it's not going to be easy. So many people just like, please. Al, Right? [01:16:15] Speaker C: Yeah. He's like, no, I'm getting. [01:16:17] Speaker A: And if you'll notice. And I, I, I think this is, I'm saying this is why they changed it. But it's always been Al capitalized since AI got popular. Sometimes they used to have just Al with, like, the L that's just a slash. [01:16:29] Speaker C: But I noticed the same thing always [01:16:32] Speaker A: ow with a big owl because they don't want people to think it says AI. I mean, I get it. Like, I, I understand. Like, because, like, I feel so bad if your name was Al, because everyone's like, al called me. And they're like, hey, I called You. It's like. No, Al. Yeah, Al called me. [01:16:49] Speaker B: You're gonna have to. [01:16:50] Speaker A: We need to add that little. The little the serif back to the lowercase l, because, like, some versions of lowercase l have a little. [01:16:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:02] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. I never noticed. [01:17:04] Speaker A: It's very confusing. [01:17:05] Speaker C: Yeah, it is. Between. I mean, at least they didn't start calling him Albert. [01:17:12] Speaker A: Well, I remember when we were first reading it, and Sin was calling him Albert. Is that his name? Yeah, it's in the first issue. It's like Albert Simmons. And it's so funny that his name's just Albert. Yeah, it's like, who is Spawn? The most evil anti hero of all time. It's Albert Simmons. It's Albert. [01:17:32] Speaker B: Well, at least. At least it wasn't Alvin, like my grandfather. [01:17:37] Speaker A: His name was Alvin. [01:17:38] Speaker B: Alvin? Yeah. [01:17:39] Speaker A: Alvin Williams. [01:17:40] Speaker B: Yeah, he went by Alvin Bruce Williams. [01:17:43] Speaker A: Did he say call me Al? [01:17:47] Speaker C: No. Yeah. [01:17:48] Speaker B: But he did not. He did not. [01:17:55] Speaker A: If I didn't understand, you hadn't heard of that song before this podcast, right? [01:17:58] Speaker B: I had not, no. [01:17:59] Speaker A: So the only reason you really chorus is because of me. [01:18:01] Speaker B: Yes. Yes, indeed. [01:18:02] Speaker C: That's awesome. [01:18:03] Speaker A: It's a great song. [01:18:04] Speaker C: Help me out. [01:18:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Because we, we talked about maybe making a video where every, every, every sort of sentence has a similar Spawn video on it. I think we could still make it, but it would take a lot of work. [01:18:22] Speaker A: Yeah. But I'm a great song. [01:18:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:18:26] Speaker C: I, I, I have an idea for a video, but I, I could never, like, pull it off or I can never do it. I, I think I, I think I, I just popped into my head one day when I was listening to the radio. But that song, everything I, I do, I do it for you. The Brian Adams song. All right. Yeah. And I pictured in my head, I mean, I can't animate, I can't draw. But it would be Al, like, serenading like Wanda. But then at some point, like, he's. He's trying to get to Wanda, but, like, the Violator just keeps screwing with him. And then when it gets to, like, the instrumental part, it's just Al and Violator just beating the out of each other. Yeah, he's still trying to sing, you know, and serenader. I just, I had that idea in my head, but I'm like, I don't know how to make it happen. So I, I just thought that cool video. [01:19:10] Speaker A: I mean, it's. It seems like a song. It seems like a song that would fit in Spawn. [01:19:14] Speaker C: It does. Like, if you listen to that song and you think about Alan and Wanda, it fits perfectly. But, I mean, I have no idea how to pull it off. [01:19:20] Speaker B: So here's. Here's the thing. You could commission Jet to do an action figure video based on. [01:19:25] Speaker C: Right. [01:19:26] Speaker B: Because he does. [01:19:26] Speaker C: The action figures are hilarious. That with the fluffy. Jesus. [01:19:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:19:32] Speaker C: Him and his dad are doing, like, the audio. And, like, when they. If you read the subtitles, it says, like, heavenly Music, you know, is playing. And it's just them going. [01:19:44] Speaker B: It's. [01:19:44] Speaker C: Oh, I love those videos. They are so funny. [01:19:47] Speaker A: Kiss from a Rose on a Grave also seems like. [01:19:50] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [01:19:51] Speaker A: It seems very Spawn world. [01:19:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:19:53] Speaker B: One of my. One of my favorite things of bits of trivia about Kiss on a Rose. Kiss. [01:19:58] Speaker A: Kiss by Kiss. Kiss by a Rose on a Grave [01:20:02] Speaker B: On a Grave is. Was originally released on the Batman forever soundtrack. [01:20:08] Speaker A: Yes. 1997. That's why Fitz was Fawn. That movie also came out in 1997. I think that was probably, like, May or June. I think it's so weird to see [01:20:17] Speaker B: it on YouTube because it's got the music video, and you're like, wait, why the. Why the. Is there Val Kilmer in a. In a leather suit on this? What is going on? [01:20:28] Speaker A: I mean, Val Kilmer, he was a pretty good Batman. He's good. [01:20:33] Speaker C: I'm sorry. Val Kilmer. Val Kilmer was a good Batman, but he lost me. Like, I lost. I. I didn't like it. As soon as he smiled when he was in the Batman suit, I'm like, no, Batman doesn't smile. No. Yeah, he did. He's like, the only Batman that ever smiled. And that. That really ruined it for me. When I was watching the movie, I'm like, oh, come on. [01:20:51] Speaker A: Yeah, it was a little cheesy, but. No, I liked it. [01:20:54] Speaker B: I mean, a Schumacher film, cheesy. [01:20:56] Speaker A: Oh, my God. But Michael. I mean, Michael Keaton is amazing. [01:21:01] Speaker C: Michael Keaton is Batman. [01:21:02] Speaker A: Yes, He's Batman. [01:21:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:21:03] Speaker A: Because he does the Playboy and he does the Batman, and he has that, like. He has that, like, insane. You believe that guy dresses up as Batman? [01:21:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:21:11] Speaker A: Like, when Michael Keaton's like, I'm Batman, you're like, I believe you. And there's Kilmer, which is good. There's Clooney, which is David's favorite movie. And then there was Ben Affleck, and he was okay. [01:21:28] Speaker B: He was okay. [01:21:29] Speaker A: Those movies just were bad. [01:21:30] Speaker B: They were bad movies. [01:21:32] Speaker A: It was bad. I remember I was watching Batman v Superman with Bran, our buddy, and we were in the theater, and there was one point we had no idea what was going on, and we just started Laughing and being like, what the hell is going on? Because it was like. Because we've. I'd forgotten about man of Steel, that, like, Kevin Costner was his father. And so Kevin Costner came down from a mountain and started talking to Superman. And we were like, what. What is happening? [01:21:56] Speaker C: Because, like, I've never watched those. [01:21:58] Speaker A: They were just really. They were unmemorable. And like, that's the thing about Zack Snyder is like, I like a lot of his. Like, I like dawn the dead, I like 300. But, like, he. He should not have been picked to build the universe. He's not. He is a visual. He's like. He creates, like, portraits and, like, visual things. He needs. He needs a rigid story written by somebody else. He should not be the leader of a universe. He's not a showrunner. And, you know, less said about the Justice League that he shot and then Jocelyn Reshot. That was. That's. If you haven't seen that, that is one of the weirdest movies. [01:22:34] Speaker B: It's so weird. [01:22:35] Speaker C: I. I have not watched. I have not watched any superhero movies since End Game Call. [01:22:44] Speaker A: Believe me, you haven't missed much. [01:22:46] Speaker C: The. [01:22:46] Speaker B: The Batman's pretty good. Good, though. [01:22:49] Speaker A: Did that. Didn't that come out, like, right the same summer as End Game or, like, right before? [01:22:52] Speaker C: I thought. I thought. [01:22:53] Speaker B: I thought it came out a couple years after End Game. [01:22:55] Speaker A: It might have come out a year after. [01:22:56] Speaker C: Oh, wait, no, sorry, I watched. No, I. I take that back. The last one. Okay. After Endgame, the last thing that I watched was probably one of the greatest movies I've ever seen was the Deadpool Wolverine. I did watch that movie was awesome. I love that movie. [01:23:09] Speaker B: Rocked. [01:23:10] Speaker C: Like, so many Easter eggs. Like the. What is it? The Just Feet. [01:23:15] Speaker B: Liefeld's Just Feet? [01:23:16] Speaker C: Yeah. The store that was in the background, just. [01:23:18] Speaker A: Yeah, that movie was a hoot. And what's so funny to me is like, they're like, the new Marvel one is what? Doomsday? And they're like, it's bringing back all the X Men. And it's like the Fox and all. It's like, they already did that. [01:23:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:30] Speaker A: And like, I feel like, well, Deadpool, what's the thing? It was like they were like, oh, we're bringing back the X men, like Ian McKellen and, you know, for one final swan song. And I was like, I thought that was Deadpool and Wolverine. I already got that fix. And not in a bad way, but, like, I thought that movie was cool because it was a swan song to those Fox Marvel movies. And I I feel like it did it very well. And, like, I was like, I feel like the chapter's kind of already been closed on that, but I don't know. [01:23:58] Speaker B: Yeah, but Johnny, they could make a couple more bucks off of it, John. [01:24:02] Speaker C: Exactly. [01:24:03] Speaker A: Well, they need an event. Marvel realize it's like Star Wars. They need to realize people like these movies when they're special. They don't like it when it's a weekly series. They don't like it when it's just something you can turn on your phone and get. They like it when it's special. And when you. When you make it this product that's not special, they don't care. And, like, you have to make these cinematic properties. You have to make it special. [01:24:31] Speaker C: But unfortunately, Hollywood has this bad idea or this notion that, oh, it's. Oh, they. They love Star Wars. They're just gonna pump it out. They don't. [01:24:40] Speaker A: Right. [01:24:40] Speaker C: Really put a lot of thought into it. They're just like, here's this IP that you guys love. We're gonna shove it down your throat. And they don't take the time to actually make something that's good and quality. [01:24:50] Speaker A: So what. Is there any. Is there an insider scoop on the King Spawn movie that you have? There's no movement, right? [01:24:58] Speaker C: No. The only thing that I know is this. The script is done. Like, they keep saying that Jamie Foxx is still attached, but I don't even know. [01:25:08] Speaker A: I hope so. It'll be amazing. [01:25:10] Speaker C: No, it would, but I. I don't know if, you know, that's. They keep saying he is, but I. I'm not sure. But the script is gone, and they're trying to get. I mean, Blumhouse is still on board as producer, but I think they're still trying to find a director. Is. Is where they're at. But. No, I mean, my theory is. [01:25:31] Speaker A: I think it's really hard to work with Todd McFarlane on this. I don't think he wants to let it go because he. Remember when in, like, 2008, he wanted to direct the movie and it was going to be, like, about Sam and Twitch, and Spawn was just kind of [01:25:43] Speaker C: like, back in the shadows. I'm like, no, that's. [01:25:45] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like, that's not what people want. But. [01:25:49] Speaker C: But I would like to see a salmon Twitch movie, but I would, too. [01:25:52] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Are you kidding me? [01:25:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:25:55] Speaker C: To. To take your. Your titular, you know, your main character and just, you know, have him as a shadow. It's like, why that doesn't make sense to me. So. But yeah, I. As far as like, any forward movement, you know, there hasn't really been anything said. [01:26:11] Speaker A: They've got all that Five nights at Freddy's, Money at Blumhouse. They should be making this. [01:26:14] Speaker B: This. [01:26:15] Speaker C: Right. But it's like every time, you know, Todd has this, he's like, you know, the Joker 2 is going to do, you know, really well. And it bombed. And then what else? He was banking on something else doing really well. And I don't think it did so good. [01:26:27] Speaker A: But didn't the Joker two writers write the King Spawn treatment or the Joker writers? [01:26:32] Speaker C: Did I. I think. No. I think somebody from the Joker was attached. I can't remember who it was. [01:26:38] Speaker B: I think. I think it was Joker 1 and then somebody from which I. [01:26:43] Speaker A: The captain defender of. I like Joker 1. [01:26:47] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a decent movie, [01:26:50] Speaker A: is an interesting experiment. It's all. I'll say. I. I kind of admire it in the way I admire like, Blair Witch 2 or like all those weird sequels that are like, what the hell were they thinking? But, I mean, it's not. It's not good. It has a lot of problems. But it was. It's. It's. It's interesting at least. [01:27:08] Speaker C: And it has, like a lot of musical numbers in it, right? [01:27:11] Speaker A: Kind of. But it doesn't even go full force on that. And like, Lady Gaga's like, sitting there half the time. It's weird. It's a weird. I saw. I saw it because I wanted to see in theaters. I liked the first one and like, this was what it was like 2018 that came out, or 2019, I imagine something like that. It was. Chicago was very anti the Joker because, like, it was seen as like this kind of like, right wing, you know, Think Pete or like, you know, which it wasn't. It was just a silly movie by the guy who made the Hangover. And it. Everyone thought that it was this, you know, kind of like, oh, what a hot button thing, but it was. It was just a decent movie, I thought. And the second one [01:28:00] Speaker B: is. [01:28:03] Speaker A: I think my thesis would be that Todd Phillips. And this is a really weird take and very specific, but Todd Phillips, who made Joker and Joker 2 and made Hangover and Hangover 2 and 3, he's terrible at sequels. He has no idea when his movies hit. He has no idea why people like them. And I can't figure it out. [01:28:21] Speaker C: Yeah, I see that. [01:28:22] Speaker A: Two of the worst sequels of all time are the Hangover 2, which he made, like, literally, I remember. See, I loved the first Hangover. When I saw a movie in theaters, Hangover 2, I was like, this is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. And Joker 2, which he also made. And it's like, you don't know what people like about your movies. You know, it's. It's just funny. [01:28:42] Speaker B: It's funny that. [01:28:42] Speaker C: Yeah, that tracks. [01:28:44] Speaker A: David's looking up joker. [01:28:46] Speaker B: It was 20, 19. [01:28:47] Speaker A: Okay, good. And I liked it. And I liked it. [01:28:51] Speaker B: Yeah, it's been that long ago because. [01:28:53] Speaker A: Because the first Joker, I will say, like, the scene from when he kills the guys in the apartment to the talk show to the end is very effective. That talk shows really. That really creeped me out. Like, when he's on that talk show and shoots him, like, that was. It felt like like some old news clip. Like, the Bud Dwyer clip where he shoots the center that shot himself on stage or whatever. Like, it feels like a really dirty, like, found footage thing you shouldn't have seen, you know? And, like, I thought that was cool. But, you know, what do I know? I'm just a joker. [01:29:25] Speaker B: I know that Medieval is upset that Alice wants them to just go back to their lives. [01:29:33] Speaker A: Well, he even pulls out the obvious question, like, what about Monolith? What's he gonna do? Yeah, he's gonna work at Trader Joe's and Plague. [01:29:41] Speaker B: We have no idea where they come from or why they're here. And then Al says, I don't have time to babysit. I'll always figure it out. Full of excuses. [01:29:49] Speaker A: He's like, monolith can get a job at Tar Target easily. [01:29:53] Speaker B: He's like. He's like, right, you either survive on your own or you don't. [01:29:58] Speaker C: Right? Yeah. He's like, I don't care. [01:30:01] Speaker A: Then they have another safe house, because they had that one in New York, and they had that other one, but this one's, like, badass. It's like a. It's like a ranch home. [01:30:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:30:08] Speaker C: This looks like. [01:30:09] Speaker B: This looks like something that they. They stole from one of those. Like, the body of Javi's criminal father. [01:30:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:30:19] Speaker C: I don't know. And it looks like the. I mean, I don't know if you guys are old enough to remember, but the. The house from the Waltons. Like, you know, just like. They're all just living like one big, happy family. [01:30:28] Speaker A: Yeah. And they're all just chilling there on these purple couches. It looks like an Airbnb. Maybe. [01:30:33] Speaker C: They're just. You have a monolith. You know, Monolith is crushing that couch. That thing is destroyed. [01:30:40] Speaker B: I Think Carlo Barbary had missed a. Missed a very. A very funny joke to have a little bitty cup of coffee on the table in front of. [01:30:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:30:52] Speaker B: And then yet the, the living room was built around the. The classic just wall computer. [01:30:58] Speaker A: You know what's so funny? And I know people agree with me on this because I know his take on this. It's so funny. Like, man, I wish we knew more about Monolith. I remember there was a miniseries it was awful about. [01:31:10] Speaker C: I'm sorry. [01:31:10] Speaker A: But that was what of the worst. That was one of the worst spot. Look, we. I mean we talked about. It was so confusing. [01:31:16] Speaker B: It was the worst Spawn products. [01:31:19] Speaker C: And I'm sorry. [01:31:20] Speaker A: But yeah, the more confused. [01:31:22] Speaker B: I still don't understand what happened. [01:31:24] Speaker C: The writing was terrible. Like, you know, he's. He's on his planet and he gets attacked. So he leaves and he's trying to come back to Earth to help and it's like it makes no sense. [01:31:31] Speaker A: But they said. But he's in prison and they sent him to a moon based prison. Yeah, it. It was, it made me more confused about Monolith than before the series started. [01:31:42] Speaker C: Oh yeah. Like, it's like I want to know his backstory and it's like I feel like I know even less now that that miniseries. It's like, what. What were they thinking? [01:31:50] Speaker A: Yeah, that was so weird. [01:31:51] Speaker C: So unfortunately that was just a miss in. In my one. And you agree. [01:31:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:31:59] Speaker A: So Terry reveals. He's like, look, a long time ago we put tracking info into all you guys. [01:32:06] Speaker C: Yeah, how convenient. [01:32:08] Speaker A: We chipped you guys at Todd McFarland Word Soup because it's very confusing. Oh yeah. We track all you guys. We block out the enemies, so sometimes we can see the enemy. And it's like, what are you talking about? It's just like he, he gets on these like, David, I think he might be onto something. We might word dictate this like, because like it just feels like word diarrhea where he's explaining. Yeah, he's over explaining how they watch [01:32:32] Speaker B: everyone look like this little, this little. The. Where Monolith asks what if they deal with the villains first? And Terry's like, yeah, we'll deal with that later. I could just totally see like Todd being like, yeah, we'll deal with that later. Yeah, but you're right. [01:32:45] Speaker A: It's just, it's just a weird thing. It's, it's. It's. It's a peek into his mind. It's like, why is he getting caught up on how they're going to digitally track every. It's just such a weird diversion. Time on it. [01:32:57] Speaker B: How many times have we had to rebuild the necroplasm tracker machine? Just. Just say we could. We could track necroplasm next, right? We can track Heaven Energy next and then Monolith. [01:33:10] Speaker A: Like, this is all bullshit. But I will say Plague was acting weird. [01:33:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:33:15] Speaker A: He's like, plague was. Plague didn't care. He didn't do anything. He was just there. [01:33:20] Speaker C: He's just walking around, touching people. What's it say? [01:33:23] Speaker B: It's like, I don't even think he. I don't even think he's human. [01:33:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:33:27] Speaker B: Downing's like, what about you? Kids say the same thing about you. [01:33:33] Speaker C: Yeah, it's the same thing said about you. [01:33:36] Speaker A: Mark said, I'm. Look, isn't it weird they went and touched us all and it's like, yeah, that'd be weird. [01:33:46] Speaker B: They're like, I guess we'll just track him, too. And. Yeah, they're so they. [01:33:54] Speaker A: But also. But I guess that's kind of what they're doing us in the government with these UFOs. UAPs. It's a slow burn because like. Like, they revealed in, like, 2019 in Spawn. He went on. He went on. He went on for now guy and was. Yeah, I'm Spawn. I'm Al Simmons. I'm a demon. [01:34:10] Speaker B: And everyone's like, that's how we learned that. [01:34:12] Speaker A: Didn't believe it. [01:34:13] Speaker B: Brock the Shock Fennel is, in fact, a demon. [01:34:17] Speaker A: Right. But, I mean, I. I could say this is, you know, unrealistic. But the government's doing the same thing with us about UFOs every week. They're like, yeah, we're gonna release. [01:34:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:34:27] Speaker A: All the UFO documents next week. [01:34:30] Speaker B: I feel like every. Every like, 30 to 40 issues in main title Spawn, the world relearns that superpowered human beings exist. Yeah. [01:34:41] Speaker A: Right. [01:34:42] Speaker B: Because that was those whole. Like, when Spawn was created, the Youngbloods were around, and so everybody knew that those. [01:34:48] Speaker C: Canon. [01:34:49] Speaker A: David, that's not canon. [01:34:53] Speaker B: But. But I know that the Violator fights Bad Rock. What are you talking about? [01:34:57] Speaker A: That Bad Rock's getting his own series. [01:34:59] Speaker B: Oh, nice. [01:35:01] Speaker A: Coming up. [01:35:02] Speaker C: Yeah. Violator versus Bad Rock. That is a miniseries. I have it. [01:35:06] Speaker B: I say, I have it, too. It's a. I had to buy it twice because the first time I bought rained on the. On the pickup spot that the guy put it out in the mail and was like, it's totally ruined. I was like, no, it was four bucks. I got this one because it was cheap. [01:35:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:35:24] Speaker B: But also an Alan Moore. Oh, yeah, yeah. It was one of the miniseries that they just got Alan Moore to write. But. But so. So then, you know, Monolith and Jim Downing are like, you know, what. What are we doing? What are we doing just sitting here? Let's go see if we can figure stuff out. And then after they leave, Terry's like, you know, this is. This is some dangerous work. I have my reasons for being here. Why are you here? Mark Rosen. And then what? Feels very flippantly. Mark Rosen's just like, oh, yeah, my girlfriend killed herself. Bathtub no good. [01:35:57] Speaker C: Yeah. Right. [01:35:59] Speaker A: It's the classic fridge. [01:36:00] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, she got fridged. [01:36:02] Speaker C: Fridged. [01:36:04] Speaker A: So, David, explain this while I go to the bathroom. [01:36:09] Speaker B: There's a trope in 80s 90s comics of characters motivation being the bad guy broke into their house, found their girlfriend slash wife, chopped them up, and shoved them in the fridge. [01:36:23] Speaker C: Okay. [01:36:24] Speaker B: It happened prominently in Green Lantern, I think. [01:36:28] Speaker C: Okay. [01:36:29] Speaker B: And so it's just. It's become shorthand for. For this character's motivation is just the woman in their life died. [01:36:37] Speaker C: Yeah, that one is kind of played out. [01:36:39] Speaker B: Like, at times can be a. A good motivating factor because, I mean, if my wife died, I would. I would maybe not go full Charles Bronson, but. [01:36:49] Speaker C: Right. Get a bag of nickels and beat somebody to death with him. [01:36:53] Speaker B: Dingus is going crazy in there. [01:36:55] Speaker C: Oh, is that dingus? [01:36:56] Speaker B: Can you hear him? [01:36:57] Speaker C: Yeah, oh, yeah. [01:36:58] Speaker B: Usually. Usually Zoom. Usually Zoom cuts him out. [01:37:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:37:03] Speaker B: But. But yeah, no, I mean, it would definitely motivate me to do something, but. Oh, yeah, like, over and over and over again. It's just. It's just tired. It's a terribly detailed panel, though, too. Geez. Yeah. I read this on the train, and I had to be. Do a quick. [01:37:22] Speaker C: Yeah. With the. With the blood ever. So, you know, covering. Covering the very specific parts, you know. [01:37:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:37:30] Speaker C: You keep it PG 13. [01:37:32] Speaker B: Yeah. And Terry. Terry is just like, this is awkward. This is awkward. [01:37:36] Speaker C: He's like. He's like, oh, okay. Yeah, sorry. [01:37:40] Speaker B: He's like, sorry. He's like, yeah, but also, my wife died too, so I get this, though the circumstances. I think the circumstances differ greatly enough that. Oh, yeah, this is. Oh, boy. And then, you know, and then. And then Mark. Mark realizes that, oh, you're the guy that married Al's wife. [01:38:06] Speaker C: Yeah, but which. Which. That right there, like, when. When you get to that part, I. I had to read it a couple times. Like, I think it's a mistake. He says. When Terry says, I wish I could tell you that I Can't imagine what you've been through. But I can't. Yeah, I lost my number two. [01:38:25] Speaker B: Oh, wait. [01:38:26] Speaker C: Okay. No, never mind. He's saying I. He's saying he can't say that. So that's a weird way of saying it. [01:38:31] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. [01:38:32] Speaker B: It's a. It's. It's like a double and a half negative. [01:38:36] Speaker C: Yeah, like it, it really, it threw me off. I had to read it a couple times, like, to say it that way. He says he should have said, I wish I couldn't tell you that. I can't imagine what you've been through. But I can. That's what he should have said, not can't. Yeah, because he's felt this. You know, he's. He's been through the same thing. But I mean, you know, his wife is murdered. That was just an odd way of saying it. But like Johnny was saying, like, Todd has just a bad habit of like over explaining and like giving like way too much, way too much detail. Like it's like I've always said, just like tighten it up because it just kind of takes you out of the story because like, you know, it's just word vomit, like so much. I mean, he does tell a great story, but it's like just dial it back a little bit, you know. [01:39:19] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. He gets in his own way a little bit. [01:39:21] Speaker C: Yeah, it's like you have to leave some stuff for the readers to figure out for themselves or to, you know, interpret and don't just spell everything out on the page. [01:39:29] Speaker A: But he's. The way he tells. I'm back from the bathroom, by the way. The way he tells stories. If anyone else has to go to the bathroom, please go ahead. But the way he tells stories is he's more. You're right, but he's more concerned with like, oh, but they're going to be like he. It's almost like he's like predicting criticism. [01:39:47] Speaker B: He's trying to anticipate questions or like people being like. But this doesn't make sense. And just. It makes it so muddy that there's really no way to. [01:39:57] Speaker C: Yeah. And then I mean, like I've said like I've said on, on my channels, like it to me, like some of the stuff the over explaining does is just like insulting to the reader. [01:40:10] Speaker A: It's like, oh, it is. [01:40:11] Speaker C: You know, we, we know that we would have picked up on that. We would have figured that out. You don't have to spell out like every single step and you know, everything that's Going on. [01:40:20] Speaker A: Right. And that's why it's so refreshing when you get. When he lets those reins off. [01:40:26] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Like, sometimes he does. [01:40:28] Speaker A: No, and the only few you get, like, even now, because he's still script plotting a lot of stuff, but, like, you know, you get Rat City where he's hands off. And that's, you know, it leaves a lot up to, like, you figuring it out. [01:40:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:40:43] Speaker A: Context and, you know, just being, you know, an engaged reader. And that's the thing. I always, you know, you know, as someone who. We've talked about my theater career and I've been a playwright and like. Yeah, you always, as a writer, you always want to make sure it makes sense, but you realize you have a captive audience. Like when I'm doing theater, like, they're at a storefront theater in Chicago or Tulsa seeing a plane, they are there to see that if you're reading Spawn, you're paying attention. Yeah, yeah. Like, if you're going through Spawn and, like, you get it, and it's just. It's just funny and it's charming, and it cracks me up. And, like, it's. It's weird. Like, we always. David always towed around it of, like, how mean could we be? Todd McFarlane on this podcast? And, like, not mean, but it's just like, sometimes it's like, we get it. Like, you don't have to. You don't have to over explain it. And. [01:41:37] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm not saying. I'm not saying to cut Todd down. It's just. [01:41:42] Speaker A: Right. [01:41:42] Speaker C: You don't. You don't have to explain everything to the reader. We're smart enough to get it. You know, we're. We're going to understand, you know, the panel change or whatever's going on. You don't have to. We're on your side. [01:41:54] Speaker A: We're on your side. We want to be here. [01:41:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:41:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:41:58] Speaker A: I love. I love. I love how on this page, Terry, after 20 years, or I guess they said it's like six years in canon now that he's been spawned. Like, because they're kind of fudging because what Thomas Healy said at Spawn Con, they. They say he's probably been spawned about, like, six years in current canon. [01:42:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:42:14] Speaker A: Because they kind of like fudging the timeline. But I like how Terry goes, ow, Spawn, whatever you call him, talked about this, right? What do you mean, whatever he calls him? You guys know what you're talking about. [01:42:28] Speaker C: Yeah, but then. But then, you know, a few panels later, Mark says, says, wait, your wife was Wanda? [01:42:34] Speaker A: I can't believe he didn't know that. That's insane, right? [01:42:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:42:37] Speaker C: Yeah. Like. Yeah. [01:42:38] Speaker A: Anything about Swan? Yeah, it's like, he talk to the guy. [01:42:41] Speaker B: Like, that's. That's. That's the only. That's the only thing he'll tell you about. He won't tell you anything else. Like, anything important. Like, not the plan. [01:42:48] Speaker A: Not rightfully. Should have been mad. Like, yeah, he was. She was my wife when she died. My wife. Not Spawn's wife. Spawn had died. She was my wife. [01:43:00] Speaker C: Which, I mean, honestly, it doesn't really make sense as to why they. You know, hell would have. Would have killed her to get back at Al. I mean, he had. [01:43:07] Speaker A: So in canon, it was a riot. And then later in King Spawn, it was revealed that Hal was behind it, if I remember correctly, because the reason she was killed by a random, like, it was a. Like, in the issues of the comics, it was, like, around Covid. [01:43:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:43:25] Speaker A: George Floyd time, I think. And I think it was a riot kind of inspired by that. And not. I don't know what the reason for the riot was in the comic, but I feel like that's what it was trying to mirror in the real world. And she got killed by a random Molotov cocktail in her car, Right? [01:43:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:43:42] Speaker A: And then later in King Spawn, in the early, like, 15 issue run, they revealed that the clown was behind it or, like, was like, yeah, go do that. Like, I don't know. But it's just. It's funny how he. He sticks so much to canon when it's. And Spawn is the best when it's the loosest with the can, you know? [01:44:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:44:04] Speaker B: Yeah. And so. So Terry's. Terry's just like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna go home and take care of my kids. And I do like, the. The. The mark being like, don't forget, we have a meeting, and Terry just given the thumb. [01:44:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:44:18] Speaker B: Just walks away. [01:44:19] Speaker A: It's the classic. [01:44:20] Speaker B: And then we. We cut to Spawn beating the. Out of a vampire who we learned was supposed to be his. Spawn's like, man on the inside with the vampire clan. And he's like, I'm almost in. And he's like, you. You said you were in already. Why did. Why did you lie to me? He's like, well, I thought you'd beat me up if I weren't in already. [01:44:41] Speaker C: Yeah. He's like, that didn't work out. [01:44:47] Speaker B: And so Spawn's just basically like, hey, all our powers are back, which means that everybody's back on the table, which means nobody's safe. So you better get your ass in there and give me some information or you're not gonna be able. You're not gonna be able to help yourself. [01:45:00] Speaker C: Which. That is a really cool shot of having spawn and the vampire in the silhouette there. Yeah, I feel like that, that. [01:45:05] Speaker A: No, it is awesome. [01:45:06] Speaker C: That panel. [01:45:07] Speaker B: That is really awesome. And then, you know, after. After a nice little beat up and a. Beat him up and a. A threat, Al Simmons just flies away. He's real good at that. And then we cut to across town and Mark Rosen is walking, going to the. [01:45:25] Speaker A: Wait, David, you skipped over a very important detail. [01:45:27] Speaker B: Did I? [01:45:27] Speaker A: It's 10:43pm oh, yeah, yeah. [01:45:30] Speaker C: Todd's always telling us what time it is. [01:45:32] Speaker A: Exact times. It's never an even number. Never an even number. [01:45:35] Speaker B: There's a lot of exact times here, too. [01:45:38] Speaker C: I think that was a. Was that a. That King Spawn where it got really confusing, where he kept jumping back and forth and he kept putting. [01:45:44] Speaker A: It was the one. Yes. Where he, He. He set the bomb off on the earlier floor? It was like 60 minutes ago. 14 minutes ago. [01:45:50] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, that one. [01:45:51] Speaker B: Yes. [01:45:52] Speaker A: It was like 15 or 20 or something. [01:45:54] Speaker C: Okay, yeah, I remember that one. That got really confusing. [01:45:57] Speaker B: And some, Some. Two guys with glean growing, glowing green eyes come up to Mark Rosen on the sidewalk. Or should I say medieval spawn? And then this dude just, like, whips out the medieval helmet, like, what the fuck? And Mark's like, oh, that's mine. And, like, tries to take it and put it on and then just get smashed against the wall. [01:46:20] Speaker A: It's a fake. Yeah, like, that's my theory. I don't know. [01:46:23] Speaker B: That's. That's what I would think, too. [01:46:25] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, because he gets it on and nothing happens. [01:46:27] Speaker B: Yeah. And then we cut to 11:26pm and we see Terry being on the. On the phone underneath the George Washington Bridge. [01:46:35] Speaker A: Did you want to have a secret meeting? You shouldn't do it under a bridge at midnight. [01:46:41] Speaker C: Right. [01:46:41] Speaker A: You should do it like Airbnb or like a. Like a coffee shop. Like, I don't know. [01:46:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:46:47] Speaker A: In this day and age, like, that's the most suspicious thing you can do. [01:46:51] Speaker B: And. And Terry's just like, obviously leaving a voicemail, because Terry is of the age of people who leave voicemails. And he's like, mark, where are you? Call me. Nobody's here. [01:47:00] Speaker C: Yeah, nobody calls anymore. Everybody texts. [01:47:02] Speaker A: I'll leave a voicemail if it's warranted, David. [01:47:05] Speaker B: I leave. I leave a voicemail most of the time. Who are we kidding? You've met me. [01:47:09] Speaker A: If you call someone, you got to let them know, like, hey, I'm not dead. Yeah, I'm not dying, but I'm just calling you for this information. And then you text them, and they only text you back, unfortunately. [01:47:21] Speaker B: Some. Some things are. Some things are just way easier to [01:47:24] Speaker A: just say, way less dramatic. If it was just Terry standing there texting Shovel, said, where you at? Where are you at? With a confused emoji. [01:47:37] Speaker B: Hope you didn't get. I hope he didn't get lost in the toilet. That's what he would text. [01:47:43] Speaker C: He's stuck in a paint. [01:47:44] Speaker A: 30 minutes. About the point. If you're waiting on someone, 30 minutes is like, all right. [01:47:48] Speaker B: Oh, no, this is. No, this is. It was. Yeah, it was at 11. [01:47:50] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm an out. It's 30 minutes. That's all you get. [01:47:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:47:55] Speaker A: Like, if you haven't heard from someone, you're supposed to meet him somewhere. That's 30 minutes. You're out of there. [01:47:59] Speaker B: That somebody fell asleep on the couch instead of getting ready to leave. [01:48:04] Speaker C: Right. [01:48:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Almost. Like when you moved me out of Chicago. David. David met me at six in the morning to move me out of Chicago with my father, who was there with his truck, and he had to throw. [01:48:18] Speaker B: Yeah, we both. We both were calling him and throw, like, trying to find the smallest rocks we could on the street to. [01:48:24] Speaker A: He got me, so. [01:48:26] Speaker C: Oh, so. So you're. [01:48:27] Speaker B: You're. [01:48:27] Speaker C: You're upstairs asleep and your moving crew is there and you're not ready. [01:48:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, it was my last night in Chicago. People were very kind to me at the bar. [01:48:37] Speaker C: Oh, okay. I. I got. I got you. [01:48:41] Speaker A: That's all I can say. Yeah, we got it. We got it done. [01:48:45] Speaker B: Johnny's a good person to be kind to. [01:48:47] Speaker C: I've been to Chicago a couple of times. [01:48:49] Speaker A: Yeah? [01:48:50] Speaker C: Yeah, I was up there for pleasure. Well, I was up there for the. All for I. Pleasure, I guess. I was up there for the. The fan Expo. And then I was up there most recently for C2E2 and. [01:49:06] Speaker B: Oh, nice. [01:49:06] Speaker C: When I left C2, E2, my. My car broke down and. Oh, no, I was. I. I'm sure I was nowhere near you, David, but I was. I. I pulled off on some random side street. [01:49:16] Speaker A: That's where David lives. [01:49:17] Speaker B: Yeah, I live on a random side street. [01:49:19] Speaker C: I pulled over in a dark alley and. No, I pulled over on a side street. I don't really know where I was, but it was after. So what is it? [01:49:31] Speaker A: The. [01:49:32] Speaker C: The alley. Is that what the place is called? Yeah. The alley, the. That goth shop. We'd stop there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My car was overheating, so I had to pull over and ended up having to take an Uber to go get a water pump and fix my car so that I could get home. [01:49:46] Speaker B: Jesus. [01:49:47] Speaker C: Okay, that was. That made for an interesting trip. So. [01:49:48] Speaker A: Yeah, my first triple David, he would have been there. [01:49:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:49:51] Speaker C: Right. [01:49:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Next time you're in town, let me know. [01:49:54] Speaker C: Yeah, I. Yeah, I was. I was up there for C2E2, and I think I'm gonna come back for Fan Expo, but I think you said you really don't go to that. And then we had. [01:50:04] Speaker A: We did it. We did a live episode of ct. [01:50:06] Speaker C: Yes. Oh, no. Yeah. [01:50:06] Speaker A: They didn't have us back the second year. [01:50:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:50:09] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, you guys. Yeah, you guys did the spawn issue 39. I. I remember that issue. You guys were live. [01:50:14] Speaker A: And then we had a. We had a guy in costume. We had a. The problem was the same time was Kevin Smith was next. [01:50:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:50:21] Speaker A: Oh, they're all free. You don't have to pay to go to any panel. So everyone's like, kevin Smith. [01:50:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:50:25] Speaker C: Oh, okay. [01:50:26] Speaker B: That. That was the problem. [01:50:28] Speaker A: Yeah, that was the problem. [01:50:30] Speaker C: But, yeah, I was. I was at C2E2 this year, and that was nice. I'm going and got to see, you know, Jonathan Galapian again and Keybar and. Who else did I tell? Oh, I got to meet Jason. Sean Alexander. [01:50:47] Speaker B: Oh, nice. [01:50:48] Speaker C: Oh, cool. Talk to him about the Freak. The Freak is, like, almost done. [01:50:52] Speaker B: Oh, nice. [01:50:53] Speaker C: Um, it's gonna be a miniseries, a four part miniseries. I don't know if he was allowed to tell me that, but it's a four part miniseries. That's. That's almost done. But Healy said that we shouldn't be getting that till, like, next year, I think. [01:51:05] Speaker A: Does Tombo still go? Was he there? [01:51:08] Speaker C: Tom wasn't there this year. He was at New York. Greg from I like Collectible says that Tom is going to be in, um, the Hero Con, which I think is in North Carolina. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so. So he's going to be there, but no, I'm gonna go. I'm pretty sure I'm gonna come back up there to Chicago for Fan Expo. And then I think the following week, I'm going back up to Canada for the Fan Expo. Canada. [01:51:41] Speaker B: Nice. [01:51:42] Speaker A: Oh, nice. [01:51:43] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, exciting. [01:51:45] Speaker C: I've just recently started going, like, different cons, but I'm definitely 100 going back to New York this year. If you guys have not been to the New York City Comic Con. You definitely should go. That place is wild. It's amazing. That's where I got to meet Todd for like 0.2 seconds. Got a, you know, got a book signed by him and got the same book signed by you. [01:52:06] Speaker A: Say, oh, are you tiny, tiny, spotty. I know you. [01:52:08] Speaker C: Yeah, right, yeah. He pulled me aside, it's like, look, I know you, but we can't talk right now. We'll talk later. Never got to. But no. [01:52:14] Speaker A: Dang, this one. [01:52:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:52:16] Speaker C: So, I mean, it's just a lot of fun. It's really cool. [01:52:20] Speaker B: Two weeks ago, chapter four begins. Sorry, I gotta. [01:52:24] Speaker A: Chapter two. [01:52:25] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know what happened to chapter two. [01:52:29] Speaker C: Yeah, chapter four. [01:52:30] Speaker B: Two weeks ago, what happened to chapter three, Chapter four. What is going on? But we start with a couple of people making some dinner and they're chopping it up both on the, on the, on the counter. And in the end, in the conversation, talking about, talking about this lady's friend, you know, going camping. How did she go camping? [01:52:54] Speaker C: But then he's being a little passive aggressive. He says, she's in love. Come on. He says she's in love. Come on, make sure she's in love. Come on. Makes you do crazy things like cutting up carrots for dinner, you know? Yeah, I love you, but, you know, you got me here cutting carrots. And I'm doing. [01:53:10] Speaker A: Because I love you. [01:53:10] Speaker B: How dare you? Right? [01:53:12] Speaker A: And then there's a very ominously says, probably just a package drop off. No one says that when they get a package, you know, from Amazon. [01:53:20] Speaker C: Yeah. Because everybody gets a package, you know. [01:53:22] Speaker B: Yeah. Delivered. Yeah. [01:53:25] Speaker A: I will say, when I worked for the U.S. census in Chicago, you said to get into apartments and I would just buzz it and people would let me in. And then one guy was really mad at me. He's like, how the hell did you get in here? And I was like, I hit a buzzer and someone let me in. He's like, why you in? I was like, they probably thought I was Amazon. He was like, oh, okay. [01:53:44] Speaker B: I was like, that's how they do it. [01:53:46] Speaker A: That's how you do it. You just hit the buzzers. Yeah, because the census, you think they'd have like, acts? No, they just send you out there with addresses and you just have to figure out a way to get into the building. Which makes it kind of fun. I liked working for the census. It was only like a four month job because they only collect it for a certain amount of time. But you just go to people's addresses and like, try to force your way into their house. [01:54:06] Speaker C: Hey, well, hey, fun fact. Like, you know, I work in construction, so, you know, I. A lot of times, you know, I have a clipboard that I use for work. Do you know how many places you get into with just a clipboard? You walk in and they go, okay, where. You know, where you head? And I'm like, like, over here. Like, okay, there you go. [01:54:20] Speaker A: Especially if you had an orange vest and a clipboard, you'd be made. [01:54:23] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Like, definitely. You can get in, like, anywhere. Not that I try to abuse that, but, I mean, it's just. [01:54:27] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:54:28] Speaker C: It's just crazy how you walk in there and they think you're like, you know, somebody official and just let you go. [01:54:32] Speaker B: Like, okay, nice clipboard. Clipboard power. Minutes pass, and this lady's like, isaac, where are you? Who is at the door? Isaac? And she doesn't see him anywhere. She goes outside, and he's not there, and she's freaking out, and he's just, like, standing back in the kitchen where she just was. And she's like, the fuck is this? And then 10 minutes past Johnny, and he's just standing there with a knife in his hand above the carrots, just like. [01:54:57] Speaker C: Like, he's very upset. [01:55:00] Speaker B: And she's like, why don't you take your jacket off? It's 76 degrees in here. And who's keeping their house at 76 degrees? This lady is a lizard person. [01:55:11] Speaker A: And you're supposed to keep it at 78. If supposedly, according to, like, the. Yeah, I'm not doing that. [01:55:17] Speaker C: Yeah, no, colder the better. [01:55:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:55:19] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. 68. 72, at least. [01:55:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:55:23] Speaker A: Your house is set above 72. You're a madman. [01:55:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, Absolutely. Yeah. [01:55:29] Speaker C: That's too much. [01:55:30] Speaker A: You want to be sweating. [01:55:31] Speaker B: So. So Isaac is just, like, like, gasping and, like, still not moving. And this lady's just like, what's wrong with you? And he pushes her out of the way and just, like, stabs himself in the chest. Like, ah. She watches. [01:55:45] Speaker A: Push her out of the way. He slaps her. [01:55:46] Speaker C: So he slaps her. [01:55:47] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:55:49] Speaker C: Right in the face. [01:55:50] Speaker B: She watches as her boyfriend carves his own chest open as she shrieks like some wailing animal caught in the maw of its energy. It's very Todd McFarlane. [01:55:58] Speaker A: That's what Todd McFarlane. It's like, yes, okay. [01:56:01] Speaker C: Yeah, okay. Yeah, we get it. [01:56:02] Speaker B: For the rest of her life, this woman will intuitively flinch every time she holds a knife. And that's after years of therapy. [01:56:09] Speaker A: I love it. I love it when it goes through the whole life of this woman. That's after years of therapy. [01:56:15] Speaker C: Yeah. It's like telling her whole story. [01:56:17] Speaker B: We get this awesome two page spread of just Plague Spawn ripping out of [01:56:21] Speaker A: the master therapist office six. So my boyfriend went out to get an Amazon package, came back, slapped me, and then he cut his chest open and turned into a spaghetti monster. [01:56:31] Speaker B: Right? [01:56:31] Speaker C: And they're like. [01:56:32] Speaker A: The therapist is like, yeah. [01:56:36] Speaker C: He's like. He's like, I think you're projecting. And she's like, no, literally, no, literally, literally happened. [01:56:43] Speaker A: McFarlane wrote me. I have no choice. [01:56:45] Speaker B: Got some that good Steven Segovia art on this too. Underrated. Underrated in the gore category. I do believe. Steven Segovia art. And then just Plague Spawn's just like. They're hulking and just like over the lady. And he's like. And this guy comes up and he says, taking over her won't help your problem. Right. Her body will burn out just as fast the others. Let me get this. [01:57:09] Speaker A: Enter, enter Maimon Mammon. [01:57:14] Speaker B: Maimon, you know, ruler of two circles of hell. He's just like, so you. You. You're nothing more than a pet. My pet. And Plague Spawn lunges for him, but he stops him with a hook. [01:57:30] Speaker A: Puts his hands out and stops him. [01:57:33] Speaker C: It looks like. It kind of looks like Plague, though, is like trying to give him a hug. [01:57:36] Speaker A: Yeah, it does. [01:57:37] Speaker C: He's like, no, I'm. He's like, I'm not. I don't. I'm not affectionate. [01:57:40] Speaker B: Please hug a hug with his mouth around his head. [01:57:43] Speaker C: Right? [01:57:45] Speaker B: And so here's my thing. [01:57:46] Speaker A: And maybe I should wait till the end of this. I'm just saying it right now. Maybe we should stop trying to make Plague Spawn happen. Because every like 30 issues, he pops up. It's like, here's the most powerful crazy spawn. And he does nothing. [01:58:00] Speaker B: And then he just disappears. [01:58:02] Speaker A: He disappears and then just takes out [01:58:03] Speaker B: Natalies and creeps people out. [01:58:06] Speaker A: I've never been a Plague Spawn thing because there's no, like, there's no character. There's no hook for me. [01:58:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:58:11] Speaker A: There's no. He's just always crazy. And it's like, okay. [01:58:15] Speaker B: And so. So Mammon's just like, like saying, I've got big wonderful plans for you. And then he does a threatening, grabs him by the throat and he's like, but if you with me, I will make sure you cease to exist. And he's like, are we clear? Good. Be a good little pet. Wait until I return. And Plague Spawn gets a little first blood. Action on Maimon. And Maimon's like, oh, very few have ever drawn my blood. [01:58:40] Speaker A: That's what I say to anyone. That's what I say to every dentist I ever go to. I say, very good. Very few have ever drawn. [01:58:48] Speaker B: Maimon says, says, fine. Go discover yourself. And then Plague Spawn just, like, slowly disappears into a shadow. Right. It's actually a pretty cool little, little, little sequence there. And then we cut to one week ago. So it's. No, we were two weeks ago, and now we're one week ago. And it's Spawn just standing on the roof of a building like he normally does. And then he hears a footstep behind him. And it's Jessica Priest. And he's just keeps saying stuff to her. And he's like, I'm not in the mood. What do you need, Jessica? [01:59:22] Speaker A: No, he says, jess. And that pissed me off. [01:59:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:59:24] Speaker A: He's getting too comfortable with her. I don't like him kissing subplot. And he should. He didn't ever call him Jess. Jess. [01:59:32] Speaker B: That's really weird. And for the first time, he sees the color of her eyes. It tells him this thing is some sort of replicant. Johnny, we gotta call that. We gotta call the Blade Runners. We got replicants. [01:59:44] Speaker A: Harrison Ford's this new term. Like, it's just. [01:59:47] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. And then so it turns out to just be Plague Spawn masquerading as Jessica Priest. And it's Starts beating the. Out of him. [01:59:59] Speaker A: But he feels like he's fighting himself. [02:00:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:00:03] Speaker A: And they just throw each other around and just. [02:00:07] Speaker B: Spawn fighting Plague Spawn on a rooftop. And they're. Every time Al Simmons gets thrown down, he finds some sort of sneaky way to come back. [02:00:15] Speaker A: You know why? Because he has tactics. [02:00:17] Speaker B: Because he has military training. [02:00:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:00:19] Speaker B: He's. [02:00:19] Speaker C: He's trained for this situation. [02:00:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:00:21] Speaker A: As we always know, as Todd McFarlane will always remind us. Al Simmons was in the military. [02:00:27] Speaker B: Yes. [02:00:28] Speaker C: Oh, he was. I didn't know. [02:00:29] Speaker A: He doesn't know. [02:00:31] Speaker C: Do you know, Mark? [02:00:32] Speaker A: Do you know that he has tactics and he's in the military? [02:00:36] Speaker C: No, I. I had no idea. It's not like I haven't heard this 100 times before. [02:00:40] Speaker A: No. [02:00:41] Speaker C: I'm so glad that he overexpo. I mean, over that. He explained that to us. [02:00:45] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm just. I would have been like, how could he have known that? I don't know. [02:00:50] Speaker C: Right. [02:00:50] Speaker B: He's a dummy. He's a dumb. Dumb. [02:00:51] Speaker C: He's just so. [02:00:52] Speaker A: 50th issue of, like, the 25th. Spawn spin off. Who is Spawn? Who is He. [02:01:00] Speaker B: Well, he's Albert Simmons. [02:01:01] Speaker A: What? Who's that? [02:01:04] Speaker B: He's married to Wanda. [02:01:06] Speaker A: Is he? [02:01:07] Speaker B: He died in the military. [02:01:08] Speaker A: Didn't know that. Mark didn't know. [02:01:10] Speaker B: Know that. [02:01:10] Speaker C: Yeah. He had no idea. Yeah. After all this time spending with. With these people, he had no idea. He's just now finding that just shows [02:01:17] Speaker A: what a shitty guy Al is because he's always talking about Wanda, and Mark's like, okay, okay. He never mentioned that he was married to someone else when she died. [02:01:25] Speaker C: Oh, wait, the same Wanda. [02:01:27] Speaker B: Or that. Or that all of her children were not Al. [02:01:33] Speaker A: Just like, he knows Terry. Like, Mark knows Terry and Al really well. That just shows what a shitty guy Al is. He's never like, oh, yeah, by the way, Terry was married to Wanda. He never said that because he's so hurt by it. [02:01:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:01:45] Speaker B: And then we get the opening reading, and it ends with Spawn stabbing Plague Spawn with some of his own spikes that he ripped off his back. Oh, tactics. Tactics. Hellspawn killing hellspawns. [02:02:01] Speaker A: And it's so stuff. We don't even get a splash page of the logo. We don't. Yeah, I thought that was. We did get a. [02:02:07] Speaker B: We did get a crown in the middle between the chapters, but usually you get the. [02:02:10] Speaker A: You get the little. Yeah, the splash page to the right to let you know it's over. We just go right into the toy ads. [02:02:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Do you need more Sponge Universe? Mark? Johnny, [02:02:22] Speaker A: my answer is canonically no, because there's so much [02:02:28] Speaker C: more. Do we need any more right now? No. [02:02:32] Speaker A: Am I happy with. With this right now? Yes. [02:02:34] Speaker B: Yes. All right, cool. Well, don't miss these ongoing titles then. We get the UFC ad as the back of the. The COVID ad, and that is kind [02:02:42] Speaker A: of like some shitty toys, I will say. Not a fan of UFC toys. [02:02:46] Speaker B: They don't look very high quality either. You can see all of the seams everywhere. [02:02:51] Speaker A: That one guy screaming in the bottom right is kind of funny. [02:02:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:02:55] Speaker A: Also the guy on the left looks like a guy I fought in a trailer park park the other day. [02:03:01] Speaker C: Like, I don't know if you guys have noticed, but since Thomas has been, you know, writing on Salmon Twitch, and now he's gonna be writing the scores. We have not had any spawning grounds. [02:03:11] Speaker A: I haven't noticed that we have not [02:03:14] Speaker C: had any for a while. Yeah, there have not been any spawning grounds in any of the books. [02:03:18] Speaker B: It's because he's the hardest working man in show business. [02:03:20] Speaker C: Yes. [02:03:21] Speaker A: I think they need to hire someone else. [02:03:23] Speaker C: Yeah, I know. I. I said. I said that. On my YouTube, I said, it sounds like you guys need a part time [02:03:29] Speaker A: answer the letters, that you'd be great for that. [02:03:31] Speaker C: Right? It's like, I can. [02:03:33] Speaker A: I missed that though. I missed that part of it. I missed like the old comics. There would be like three pages of it and like, oh, man, that was the best. [02:03:40] Speaker B: It was great. It was wonderful. [02:03:42] Speaker A: And oh yeah, I do miss. I missed the spawning grounds because I missed the letters and like feeling that connection with like, here's a human being who also is experiencing what I'm experiencing. And it, but it. I understand kind of what. It's going by the wayside because probably like social media interaction is probably replacing that for them. But I do miss. I like the letters because I wouldn't have Jet without the letters. [02:04:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:04:10] Speaker C: But I don't think it's. I don't think it's. They're doing away with the spawning ground. I think it's just that Thomas is so busy with, you know, writing and, you know, still do. Trying to do the editing on the ish, you know, the other title. [02:04:20] Speaker A: They need to hire you, Mark. He needs to be spawning around. [02:04:24] Speaker C: I mean, I don't know if you guys, you guys have paid attention, but like TMP is only like five or six people, right? [02:04:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:04:31] Speaker C: That's putting out all these books. So I mean, I'm sure that Thomas's, you know, workload is, is pretty heavy and just, you know, doesn't have the time. But I mean, if they were to reach out and say, hey, you know, would you like to, you know, be. I mean, that's how Healey got in. You know, somebody that worked for TMP had recommended, you know, Healey, who was at the time just working at a comic shop, to come in to be the editor. So I, I would be, I'll be very happy if I were to get that phone call or email to say, [02:04:57] Speaker A: you know, well, I put it in the ether. I'm saying it should happen. [02:05:01] Speaker B: It should definitely happen. [02:05:03] Speaker C: Yeah, it's like I, you know, I've said that, you know, I can't write, I can't draw, but this is my way into my little niche, way into the spawn. You know, my Instagram and my YouTube, I just, you know, try to be a part of it. [02:05:15] Speaker A: And you are. You're a big part of it. [02:05:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, Johnny, as everyone can hear in the background, we got some puppies going crazy over here. [02:05:24] Speaker C: Puppy party. [02:05:26] Speaker B: That means it's, it's time that we rate this puppy known as kingspawn. 50 kingspawn. [02:05:32] Speaker A: 50, it's time to read the puppies. So, like I, like we talked about over these two hours, plus, I have a complex relationship with King Spawn. And where we are now, where we began from reading it, is the 50th issue of King Spawn. My first response would be, I was disappointed. [02:05:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:05:59] Speaker A: In a way, because it's another and not another. It is another. There's been. It feels like every two or three months, he's got to have these crossovers where he has to read, like, these little bits of each story. And it's like, I don't think you need that. I think you need these stories to breathe and be their own thing because it just makes them so samey. [02:06:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:06:18] Speaker A: Because what is the difference between this and the 50th gunslinger and the 50th scores? Like, what is really the difference? Not much. [02:06:25] Speaker B: Very little. [02:06:26] Speaker A: And what I loved about it in the early days and throughout it as its evolution, is how they can be different. This, if I. This feels like a disappointment for king spawn 50 for me, because it doesn't feel like what makes this difference from spawn 380, you know, or whatever. What. What is this makes this King Spawn? [02:06:51] Speaker B: There's. [02:06:51] Speaker A: There's. There's nothing. There's not. There's really not anything there. Like, the Tinker doesn't even show up. Or like, you know, any little King Swan characters don't show up. So it's good. It's fun. I had a good time. I love learning the lore. I like to see where the story is going. But I'm going to give it three. Who the hell is Wanda's out of five. [02:07:15] Speaker B: Beautiful. It's a beautiful rating. [02:07:18] Speaker C: Mark. [02:07:18] Speaker B: Would you like to go second or you want to go last? [02:07:24] Speaker C: I will go last. [02:07:25] Speaker B: Okay. Awesome. [02:07:26] Speaker C: I agree. [02:07:30] Speaker B: So it's only 30. 33 of a story. [02:07:35] Speaker A: Right. [02:07:36] Speaker B: That has been carried on through a couple of other issues. And it's very. In the past, the monumental numbers have always been sort of easy entryways into. [02:07:48] Speaker A: Right, right, right. [02:07:48] Speaker B: Even into the stories. And this fails on that front. So they're. They're doing. They're doing it a very weird way to kind of level set everything for the 51s going forward. And it's just. It's just. It's just wild. So it's. It's a big swing. And, you know, the art. The art is great. Carlo Barberry and Steven Segovia. [02:08:16] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [02:08:17] Speaker B: Doing. Doing massive amounts of work here. But it. It's. We've mentioned it a lot recently, and it's just got. It's just got first draft energy all over it. It just needs another. A little bit of tightening up, you know, adjust the screws here and there. Well, you know, overall, I had a good time reading it. I had a good time talking about it. [02:08:40] Speaker A: I'm not saying it's not fun. Yeah, it's. [02:08:42] Speaker B: It's just coming off of those highs that we've had from a lot of the different issues in all of the different series. [02:08:50] Speaker A: It just. It feels like. And sorry to interrupt your review, but like, Scorch had a thing going. King Spawn had a thing going. Gunslinger is always Tom McFarlane. So it's always kind of doing its weird thing. [02:09:03] Speaker B: Yeah. But smashed them all together. [02:09:05] Speaker A: But like, to take that momentum from Scorch and King Spawn feels like a disservice to those. Agrees. [02:09:12] Speaker B: Yeah, it does. I'm. I'm gonna give it three psych wars out of five because, you know, Monkey. Monkey. We haven't seen Monkey in a long time. [02:09:23] Speaker A: We love the monkey. [02:09:24] Speaker B: Love him. [02:09:27] Speaker C: All right, so I. I mean, I. I kind of have to agree with you guys. I didn't really care for the. The like the two different parts. I found that, like, being a little confusing because we got part one and part four, and then if you take out. If you take out all of Todd's like, over explaining, there's not really much substance to the stories. I mean. Yeah, I. I just also. [02:09:52] Speaker A: It's like retconning. It's like he just did those issues and there was no thing about like, Plague Spawn going around touching people. They're just like, oh, yeah. By the way he touched us in those other issues. It's like, did he, like. Yeah, sorry. But like. [02:10:06] Speaker C: Yeah, but. No, no, no, no, you're good. But it's like. Yeah, we haven't. We haven't really seen Plague Spawn anywhere in such a long time. Then he just decided to show up in the middle of this fight. [02:10:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:10:14] Speaker C: And you know, he's, you know, just going around touching people and you know, I mean, that's just kind of weird. But I don't really think there was a whole lot to the story. I would say. I would give it. I. I was going to be generous and say for four, but I'll say I'll give it three cut carrots. Like. [02:10:38] Speaker A: Yeah, sometimes you got it. [02:10:41] Speaker C: It's. It is. It's okay. But as. As far as like, you know, something to. That you're gonna put like your like monumental or I don't know what, like your fiftieth. Issue. Your milestone issue. That's what I'm trying to say. I just don't think it was. It hit as well as he thought it would. [02:11:01] Speaker A: I think if it was a fat. Like a bigger than normal issue by Rory McConville. This is like a Spawn horror story. Like he'd been doing that probably would have brought in more people than a crossover event. [02:11:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:11:14] Speaker A: Because like, it's like, what if you just got spawn 50 because you thought the COVID was cool and it was an awesome story. This. You get this. You're like chapters one and four. [02:11:22] Speaker B: What the hell? [02:11:23] Speaker A: And you gotta Google like what do I gotta get? [02:11:26] Speaker C: Like a. Yeah, like a little bit of foreshadowing. And you know, up to this point, you know, we haven't read the other issues. But it does kind of hurt itself in earlier issues because it gives stuff away. [02:11:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:11:40] Speaker C: I feel that it revealed too much by doing it that way. By giving, you know, the different parts. [02:11:44] Speaker B: So. [02:11:45] Speaker A: Yes. [02:11:45] Speaker B: So all the six parts together, all the six chapters are way more story than can fit in one book. But it's not enough story to spread across three books. Like maybe not even enough to spread across two full books. No. [02:11:58] Speaker C: This could have been. [02:11:58] Speaker B: It's a lot of. There's a lot of fun. [02:12:00] Speaker A: If you want to do a Plague Spawn event, just do a three part Plague Spawn event series. [02:12:05] Speaker C: Exactly. [02:12:06] Speaker A: Don't put your Plague Spawn in my King Spawn. [02:12:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:12:09] Speaker A: You know, and that's. That's my main thesis is just that these titles are best when they are unique. [02:12:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:12:15] Speaker A: And we had the John Layman run on Scorch and It was like 90s X Men filtered through the Dark Prism. That was awesome. And then you had the King Spawn what it's been. But like when they're unique, they're special, and when you make them kind of the same. Ish. This felt like an issue of mainline spawn. [02:12:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:12:38] Speaker A: McFarlane wrote not an issue. It didn't. There's nothing about this that felt like King's King Spawn to me. [02:12:44] Speaker C: You know. No, it would have been better had they just kept it in the. The style of, you know, the King Spawn like it has been. And then had Plague, like maybe come into that story. But. [02:12:53] Speaker A: Right. Just make it even or even remember when they did Spawns universe. That one shot. [02:12:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:12:59] Speaker A: Do something like that. Where it's like it's connecting everything, but it's its own thing. [02:13:03] Speaker C: We're not. [02:13:04] Speaker A: We're not taking this title and dragging it down to being. Not dragging it down. You know what I Mean, it's just like these titles sing when they are unique. Because otherwise, what is the point of having four titles? [02:13:17] Speaker C: Items. [02:13:17] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, because then. Because then it's four times the writing to get the exact same story across four different times when you can just do it once. [02:13:25] Speaker A: Right? [02:13:25] Speaker C: Yeah. But I, I, I do have to say, though, like I said, jumping ahead, but I do like the way this arc ends. I really like the way it ends. But us getting there, I just don't feel that putting the Plague story. I, I, it kind of feels like it was forced. [02:13:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:13:41] Speaker C: Yeah. Like trying to make plague fit into the story. [02:13:45] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. [02:13:47] Speaker C: Well, like a king Spawn book. [02:13:49] Speaker B: You know what? You know what? You know what else sings when they are individuals in themselves, the members of the spawn unity. [02:13:58] Speaker C: Yes. [02:13:59] Speaker B: And, Mark, if you don't, if you don't mind, we would like to shout you out as a member of the Spawn yet again because. Because if people listen to you and they aren't following you yet, what's they got to get on that? [02:14:11] Speaker C: They're getting there. [02:14:12] Speaker A: This is your moment. What's, what's your YouTube? What's. Where should people find you online? [02:14:16] Speaker C: I said they're getting there. You know, I'm happy with just if, if I have, like, one or two people that are following me. [02:14:21] Speaker A: But is it just tiny spotty on YouTube or what is that? [02:14:24] Speaker C: Oh, well, I mean, you know, I have my Instagram that I've had for a while. Just tiny Spawny on Instagram, but over on YouTube, I have. My channel's called let's Talk Spawn. I've had that up for a couple months now. And I release. I put out an episode every Sunday. You guys can check it out. I try to let everybody know on my Instagram. I put up a post on Sunday and let everybody know. I just try to cover, you know, like, different things every week. Just kind of whatever pops into my head, you know, whatever, Whatever. I feel like sharing. I say. I don't really want to say what the next episode's about, because when this releases it, it's not going to coincide with the timeline. But, yeah, that's just gonna confuse everybody. So, yeah, I mean, I have a lot of fun doing it. I'm always welcome to, you know, anybody coming in there giving me comments or ideas or anything they want to see. [02:15:16] Speaker B: Nice. [02:15:17] Speaker C: I'm always open to suggestions. I'm. I'm just a, Just a guy that wanted to start a channel. So, you know, it's, it's not perfect, but it's me. I Have a lot of fun doing it. [02:15:28] Speaker B: Nice. We think you're pretty great. [02:15:31] Speaker A: That sounds very familiar, David. [02:15:33] Speaker B: It does. [02:15:34] Speaker C: I, I'm always, I'm always shouting you guys out on, on my channel. You and Spawn. I appreciate, you know, thank you know anybody else that's, you know, has anything to do with the, you know, within the Spawn community, You know, just trying to unite everybody and bring us all together. [02:15:49] Speaker B: Nice. [02:15:50] Speaker A: We need that and we appreciate that. [02:15:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Speaking of that, you know who else is the best? Johnny. Lonnie Bones. Because he does our music. You can find him anywhere. Just Google Lonnie Bones music while you're out finding Lonnie Bones and tiny Spawny everywhere. You can find us on Instagram regarding Spawn Pod. Yeah, sometimes we'll respond, trying to be better. [02:16:12] Speaker A: David will respond. I have a social media anxiety, so I stopped posting. Yeah, maybe one day I'll post again, but I'd rather have mental health. [02:16:20] Speaker B: Yeah. If you want. If you like, Johnny, have anxiety around social media, which you probably should. That's a healthy, A healthy thing to have. You can always email us at. Regarding SpawnPod gmail.com and as Mark mentioned [02:16:34] Speaker A: earlier, we are doing the giveaway. [02:16:37] Speaker C: Yes, guys, send them an email. Like, it's not that hard. [02:16:40] Speaker A: Anything. Just be like, hi, I exist and I want this comic and we'll send it to you. [02:16:46] Speaker C: Yeah, I think I'm the, I think I'm the. Their most emails that they've received. [02:16:50] Speaker B: Absolutely, absolutely love. [02:16:53] Speaker C: Show these guys some love. This is a, this is a great show. I love it. [02:16:55] Speaker B: I love. [02:16:55] Speaker C: Listen every week. I really do. [02:16:57] Speaker B: It's. Oh, that's that really. [02:16:58] Speaker A: That. And Mark, that means a lot. Like, that does do it for people like you and just to like, as long as there's one person who enjoys our crazy stream of consciousness discussion to Spawn. [02:17:10] Speaker C: I do. I, I, I, I love the hell out of your show. Like, I, I look forward to it every week. It's, I mean, it's a lot of fun just to listen to your guys's banter and. Good Lord. I mean, I'm. I'm gonna be excited for when this episode comes out to see how much this actually stays, you know, in the show. Because we've got a good amount. [02:17:26] Speaker A: Good amount. This is good. It's been good. This has been good. [02:17:28] Speaker C: It's been a. I mean, I've had a blast. I mean, I am. Oh, wow. Yeah. [02:17:34] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Well, much, much like Mark, good thing [02:17:39] Speaker A: we didn't try to do all three issues, right. [02:17:43] Speaker B: Well, I don't think we Were gonna forget is we can talk about. [02:17:46] Speaker A: So next week, David. [02:17:47] Speaker B: But yes, next week we're gonna be [02:17:50] Speaker A: doing May 4th or not yet. We have one more. [02:17:53] Speaker B: We have one more before May 4th. [02:17:54] Speaker A: All right, we have one more before [02:17:55] Speaker C: our Star wars episode. [02:17:57] Speaker A: So next week we'll be doing scorched. [02:18:00] Speaker B: Scorched 47 and main title 370. [02:18:03] Speaker A: All right, so we'll do that next week and then week after that. [02:18:08] Speaker B: May 4th be May the fourth. So don't forget to like us, subscribe to us, rate to us, review us, tell your friends, family and co workers, find YouTube videos about people and talk to them about us. [02:18:20] Speaker A: On the bus. Diner. Leave it at a diner. [02:18:25] Speaker B: Carry. Carry around a. Carry around a clipboard that just has Spawns on it. So people let you in and you could be like, thanks. Thank. Thank you. It'll be like the tip. Instead of a hundred dollar bill, just slide them a slide. [02:18:36] Speaker A: I will say it is really cool. Like I'll occasionally be in an airport and I'm reading an issue of Spawn at like the airport bar. Like whatever. Getting on the plane and someone will be like, hey man, Spawn's awesome. Or like be like, that's crazy reading. Like people will respond to it, which is cool. [02:18:54] Speaker B: Respond to it. [02:18:56] Speaker C: Respond. [02:18:58] Speaker A: Respond to it. [02:19:00] Speaker B: That I think I have nothing else to say except for Johnny Mark, May the Scorched be with you. [02:19:07] Speaker A: And also you love it. [02:19:09] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [02:19:10] Speaker A: And with your spirit. [02:19:11] Speaker B: Oh, man, this was so much fucking fun. [02:19:13] Speaker A: We're gonna mark back to do the other 50s. We're doing 50 more episodes. Next month we'll be doing Gunslinger. And then a month after that we'll be doing Scorch. [02:19:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:19:24] Speaker C: Awesome. [02:19:25] Speaker A: We'll complete these six chapters that are out of order. [02:19:28] Speaker B: There'll be. It'll be done. It'll be enough time between them so that we forget the previous two chapters. So that way it doesn't feel like we're reading the same thing over and over again. [02:19:37] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah, Right. Yeah. We need. We need a. We need. We need a break in between. [02:19:41] Speaker A: I mean, from the McFarlane text. You kind of do. [02:19:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:19:44] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, I'm going to go 3D print a action figure of that reporter in Rat City that I'm in love with because Marcus taught me. You can 3D print RAT. 3D print action figures. [02:20:03] Speaker C: Yes. Oh, yeah. [02:20:03] Speaker A: There's that purple haired reporter in Rat City that I'm in love with and I'm gonna 3D print an action figure her. Because now I know my dreams can come true. [02:20:12] Speaker C: I figured you would say you were gonna print Jessica Priest. I guess. [02:20:15] Speaker A: I mean, I already have. [02:20:17] Speaker C: Okay. All right. [02:20:18] Speaker B: Okay. All right. [02:20:19] Speaker A: Let's say I've been banned from the public library for using their 3D printer. [02:20:28] Speaker C: That's it. Sir, you're not allowed back in here. What are you doing? Sa.