Episode 83 - Spawn 16 and Spawn 349

[00:00:03] Speaker A: We do not serve the Malbolgia. We are the servants of a higher power. As will you be when our work is done. Good evening, and welcome to the Mal bulge. This is regarding spawn, the world's best spawn podcast. I am your co host, John Fisher. [00:00:54] Speaker B: And I am your co host, David Williams. And Johnny, my father would probably be very upset with me about this, as would Wanda, because I don't know what exactly the colors of the wizards in the Lord of the Rings mythology correspond to, but I was wondering, if you were gonna be a wizard of a color in the Lord of the Rings, what color would you be? [00:01:21] Speaker A: I'd probably be ragged ass. [00:01:24] Speaker B: Radagast the brown. [00:01:25] Speaker A: Radagast the brown. He's just, like, chilling. [00:01:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:28] Speaker A: Smoking weed. He's got, like, birds pooping on his head and shit. [00:01:31] Speaker B: He's got, like, critters living in his. In his robes. That's. That's where I was. That's where I was hidden, too. I think I would be rad. Aghast. Or if you consider Tom Bombadil to be a wizard, I would. I would love to be Tom Bombadil. Just kind of fucking skip through and help people do shit and then be like, buh bye. [00:01:52] Speaker A: Besides white, gray, and brown? Or they're like, is there like a pink? Or like, what? [00:01:55] Speaker B: There's blue. I think there might have been a green. [00:01:59] Speaker A: I think there's a green. [00:02:00] Speaker B: There's. There's white. Oh, you already mentioned white. White, gray, brown, brown, blue. I think that's. I think that's all of them. [00:02:07] Speaker A: Okay. [00:02:09] Speaker B: I don't know. Hey, if we missed any colors of wizards, please email us at regardingspaw. [00:02:14] Speaker A: Hey, listen, I only know the colors of lightsabers, which are red, blue, green, purple, yellow. Those are the only ones. The only colors that have appeared in a film, I guess the white for Ashoka. [00:02:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Soka. [00:02:28] Speaker A: But that's a tv show. And you got the. You got the dark saber. That's like the negative space. [00:02:36] Speaker B: That's. That's something kind of different. Oh, man. [00:02:38] Speaker A: That's kind of different. And then there's. Do they show what color was Balin and shin Hattie's lightsabers? They were red from Ashoka. The bad guys. [00:02:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I think. I think they were. Oh, you talked about the Balin, the guy. The ones with the round ones. [00:02:55] Speaker A: They go, no, those are red inquisitors. Oh, no, I'm talking about the. The. The couple that was like, that couple, but the master and apprentice, who were like, oh, okay. I think that kind of bad. [00:03:08] Speaker B: I think they were red. Yeah. [00:03:09] Speaker A: Yeah, they were red. [00:03:10] Speaker B: Either that or one of them was red, and one of them was blue. Since Balin was a Jedi, believe. [00:03:15] Speaker A: No, they're both. They're both, like, red or bright orange. They were definitely different color. They were definitely more evil color. But her name's Shin Hattie, because she's a hottie. [00:03:27] Speaker B: Bonk. [00:03:29] Speaker A: I've been thinking a lot about Star wars recently. [00:03:32] Speaker B: Don't. That seems like something that doesn't ever need to actually be expressed, Johnny. That's like, I need oxygen to live. [00:03:42] Speaker A: But more so because there's this new card game that came out that I went to a couple of events for. So I have, like, Star wars on the brain. [00:03:49] Speaker B: I was talking to somebody at work, Johnny, I got a nice little story here for you. And so he's. He's an older gentleman, and he remembers back when the gathering first came out. [00:03:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:00] Speaker B: And he said that he and his friends, like, saw that people were making shit tons of money off of just flipping magic cards when it first started. That when they announced that first Star wars trading card game, one of his friends was like, I'm gonna buy them. I'm gonna buy them. He, as a college student in the early to mid nineties, spent $5,000 on. [00:04:22] Speaker A: Holy shit. [00:04:23] Speaker B: Collectible trading card tracker. [00:04:25] Speaker A: Wars. [00:04:26] Speaker B: Star wars. Sorry. And then, like, they went nowhere. And the guy's joke is that you've never heard of the original Star wars trading card game, because my friend had every card. [00:04:37] Speaker A: Hey, I played that game, and it was a very popular game. It's still very popular. He would make a lot of money now. [00:04:44] Speaker B: I don't. I don't know if he still has them. So that's. [00:04:46] Speaker A: He should have kept them, because he would have made a lot of money. Now. They. They're very sought after now. [00:04:50] Speaker B: But it came up because I was like. Like. Cause he was like, I go to dice Dojo regularly, and I was like, hey, I know somebody who was just there doing the new Star wars trading card game. [00:04:59] Speaker A: Nice. That's hilarious. [00:05:00] Speaker B: And he's like, you know, I haven't talked to that guy, like, 25 years. I said, call him. So, johnny, call him and tell him. [00:05:05] Speaker A: To go to the Star Wars CCG subreddit and make a lot of money. [00:05:09] Speaker B: Where I'll be sure to have him mention that when he contacts him again. Johnny, we're bringing people together. That's what we do here. Regarding Spawn. [00:05:17] Speaker A: Yep. And sometimes over Star wars. Usually over Spawn, though. [00:05:20] Speaker B: Preferentially over Spawn. If we have to do it via Star Wars. Wars. We will. [00:05:25] Speaker A: We'll bring them in all together. We got them coming, Johnny. [00:05:29] Speaker B: There's. There. Spawn's cape is big enough to have everything underneath it, you know? And if it's not, the cape just gets fucking bigger. Just keep bringing him in. [00:05:39] Speaker A: Come on and start. Spawn is Star wars adjacent. The movie ilm worked on, it probably was a lot of testing grounds for stuff they use on the prequels. [00:05:48] Speaker B: I imagine Al Simmons lightsaber would probably be green. [00:05:51] Speaker A: Yeah, he'd be green, because the necroplasm is true. [00:05:54] Speaker B: Mm hmm. Mm hmm. What? So obviously, all the help people would be red. Yes. Except for alcimons, because, you know, he's. [00:06:02] Speaker A: He's special. [00:06:02] Speaker B: Whoo. [00:06:03] Speaker A: I feel like redeemers would be blue. [00:06:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:06] Speaker A: Or because he's blue. Or gold. [00:06:10] Speaker B: Or gold. I'm trying to think of who, whose color would be what. [00:06:15] Speaker A: Like, purple will go to Nyx. [00:06:18] Speaker B: Oh, definitely. Definitely. Who would. Blue, orange, white. Who would be the white? Who would be the whites? Maybe Redeemer would be white, since he, since he is not a master Jedi. He left the Jedi to go on his own. So Redeemers would be white. Specifically, unnamed contemporary redeemer. [00:06:41] Speaker A: Not unnamed contemporary corinthian looking redeemer. [00:06:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Not Redeemer as title, but Redeemer as man. [00:06:49] Speaker A: Exactly. But today we get the first appearance of medieval Redeemer. [00:06:58] Speaker B: That's medieval redeemer. That's coming in. The next wave of action figure. Medieval or Medea? Spawn is medieval. [00:07:07] Speaker A: Medea's medieval. Hallelujah. We got Madeira spawned. [00:07:14] Speaker B: I'm pretty sure that if Todd McFarlane approached, uh, what's his face? Shit, I just. It's named Tyler Perry. Tyler Perry? Yeah. If Todd McFarlane approached Tyler Perry and was like, I would like to make action figures of Madea as Spawn, he would be like, yes, please give me money. Yeah. He's like, sure, I'll use it to make 14 more television shows. [00:07:31] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. And own all the studios. Own a giant Atlanta studio complex, which evidently he does. [00:07:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:07:39] Speaker A: Makes sense. [00:07:39] Speaker B: But, Johnny, we're not here to talk about Madea. We're here to talk about Spawn. [00:07:43] Speaker A: We're talking about Spawn. Even though Granny Blake is a Madea esque figure. [00:07:47] Speaker B: I was hoping you were gonna make that comparison. [00:07:50] Speaker A: Yeah, but she's not in these issues. But we do have someone we were just talking about. [00:07:54] Speaker B: Speaking of stunt casting, the upcoming spawn movie, what would you think of Madea as Granny Blake? [00:08:01] Speaker A: Madea. So it's not Tyler Perry as Granny Blake. It's Medea as Granny Blake? [00:08:06] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm down or shit. Actually, lady from the holdovers, I forget her name. She would be good as Granny Blake. [00:08:14] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Just won an Oscar. [00:08:15] Speaker B: Yeah, she did. Holdovers are pretty cool. [00:08:17] Speaker A: Is she old enough? [00:08:18] Speaker B: I mean, they've got old age makeup. [00:08:21] Speaker A: It's true. [00:08:21] Speaker B: I mean, Johnny, you saw X. They didn't hire an old woman to play the old woman. [00:08:27] Speaker A: True that, true that. [00:08:28] Speaker B: That was, I do believe, Mia goth herself. [00:08:31] Speaker A: Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was Mia goth because she plays young, she plays Pearl. Pearl. And then she'll be being Max seen in the third one mixed with three x's. [00:08:42] Speaker B: I'm so excited. I'm trying to. [00:08:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:44] Speaker B: Trying to get people at work excited for it, but they don't know what the movies are. And I'm like, I don't know how much I can tell you about them without violating work policy. [00:08:55] Speaker A: Right. Also, like, I know people that have both seen Pearl and not known as a sequel and have seen X and not known there's a sequel. I've had to, like, explain to them that there's a prequel or sequel, depending on which one they've seen. [00:09:08] Speaker B: I mean, they're both fucking good by themselves. [00:09:11] Speaker A: Oh, they are. Yeah. Watched or Wanda watched just Pearl and enjoyed it. [00:09:16] Speaker B: There's absolutely no way I could convince Wanda to watch either. [00:09:20] Speaker A: Really? [00:09:20] Speaker B: That's one of those ones where I'm like, I'm going to see this movie with Johnny and which one is it? This. Oh, no. Yeah, no, I don't want to hear about it. [00:09:27] Speaker A: Sometimes Wanda will be in the mood for a horror movie, so what she'll do is give me, I get three trailers to show her out of three possible horror movies I want to watch. And then she chooses. And one of the nights we did Pearl was the one she chose. [00:09:40] Speaker B: So nice. How uncomfortable was she with the scarecrow scene? [00:09:45] Speaker A: A little bit uncomfortable. [00:09:47] Speaker B: Speaking. Speaking of Wanda, in horror movies, I've seen trailers for like, two or three upcoming nun based horror movies. [00:09:56] Speaker A: There's a bunch. [00:09:57] Speaker B: How many of these are you gonna watch together? [00:09:58] Speaker A: We gotta see the first omen. I wanna see immaculate. Just cause of the immaculate Sidney Sweeney. [00:10:05] Speaker B: Yeah, I keep thinking. I keep thinking that. I keep thinking that Cabrini movie is gonna be a horror movie, but I think it's just a biopic about none cabrini. And then I always think it's gonna be a candyman sequel because of Cabrini Green. But no, it's who Cabrini Green was named after. So I just get stuck. Oh, I get stuck in my own. [00:10:27] Speaker A: Little feedback loop, which is what we've been doing. Cause I've been trying to say for, like, five minutes here that we were talking about Redeemer. Well, we got the first. [00:10:37] Speaker B: We haven't discussed what we're doing, Johnny. We got it. [00:10:39] Speaker A: We got a key issue. Yeah, the first issue. Oh, yeah. This is regarding spawn. A spawn podcast, I assure you, where each week we discuss two issues of spawn, except when we don't. This week we are doing two. We've got a classic with spawn 16. [00:10:57] Speaker B: I would say a classic with a. [00:10:58] Speaker A: Capital c. Classic with a capital c is the first. Grant Morrison and Gray Capullo, when they all came in and did a little bit here, I think these three issues and beyond for Gray Capullo, and I don't remember how much I know Grant Morrison maybe comes back for some more at some point. [00:11:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I think they do a here and there. Like a peppering. [00:11:17] Speaker A: Yeah, they're kind of the pinch hitter. [00:11:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:11:22] Speaker A: So these are baseball terms. [00:11:23] Speaker B: I was trying to think of what the good baseball term was, and I was like, on deck. Nah, that means that they're always there. [00:11:28] Speaker A: Pinch hitter. [00:11:29] Speaker B: Maybe the bat boy. [00:11:30] Speaker A: Bat boy. Thinking big and pinch hit one of those little bats. Speaking of cigarette. Yeah. To trick people. [00:11:40] Speaker B: That has never tricked anybody ever. [00:11:44] Speaker A: I used to have a big purple bong named Mace Windu. Because it was like, as long as a lightsaber. It was huge. I got it at Uncle Mike's in Stillwater. [00:11:52] Speaker B: So you're saying that's how mace Windu made his. His lightsaber purple instead of blue, leading the Kyber crystal. He accidentally spilled some granddaddy perp on it. [00:12:00] Speaker A: Yeah, he smoked it out. He, like, blew smoke into the Kyber crystal, and it turned purple. Yeah, exactly. That's hilarious. No. Spawn 16. Grant Morrison, Greg Capullo, Tom Orcachowski, Steve Olaf. All the greats. Doing a really fun issue that has an introduction of anti spawn at the end. So this is a key issue. [00:12:25] Speaker B: You could say, johnny, that we're still filling. Still feeling the effects of this issue. And currently spawn we are. And beyond. [00:12:34] Speaker A: And beyond. It really sets up a lot. And then our modern issue, which we're feeling the effects of from still, is bond 349 from January 2024. So not too long ago. [00:12:45] Speaker B: Not too long ago. [00:12:46] Speaker A: Just on that road to 350, baby. So those are two issues that we'll be covering today. [00:12:51] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. [00:12:52] Speaker A: Great. [00:12:52] Speaker B: Great. Yeah. [00:12:53] Speaker A: I guess we have to start talking about them. [00:12:56] Speaker B: You know, we can't shoehorn another. Another property in here. What can we talk about? I mean, Godzilla. [00:13:04] Speaker A: We tell, will you actually tell that guy that your friend did play that Star wars game and that, tell him to tell his friend, hopefully. [00:13:11] Speaker B: No, I plan, I plan on telling him. I really do. [00:13:13] Speaker A: Okay. [00:13:14] Speaker B: I really do. [00:13:14] Speaker A: Because there's this, there's a whole Reddit community because, like, the cards are hard to find. People love playing the game, okay? So, like, if they get them, they'll be like, yeah, I'm up. [00:13:22] Speaker B: I will be sure to, next time I see him. Next time I see him. But he only wanders by, you know, every once in a while while looking for someone else. So I'll be sure to cest, Levi. [00:13:32] Speaker A: Well, it's time to wander by. Spawn 16. And I didn't mention it, but this is all the way back from December of 1993. [00:13:39] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:13:40] Speaker A: I was but a young seven year old cherub awaiting Santa Claus coming to visit me. [00:13:46] Speaker B: I was a little five year old. I don't, I don't know what year that was, but I always did the, I stayed up late trying to see Santa and trying to be very early to open presents and Claus. Then when I finally got to sleep, I wouldn't wake up till, like, ten, so they had to, like, drag me out of bed. [00:14:01] Speaker A: You're like, come on, you gotta go. You're like, ah, I don't want to. [00:14:04] Speaker B: Now. I remember one year, I got a basketball hoop, and it was, it was, like, dissembled inside the living room. And every time I kept peeking around the corner of the living room, I thought that it was Santa Claus. And I was like, I still here? He was there for, like, 45 minutes before I finally went to sleep, man. I was like, oh, it's gonna be a great year. It was a great year. I loved that basketball hoop. [00:14:27] Speaker A: That's awesome. It's a classic gift of basketball hoop. Yeah, I was, I was probably, let's see, July, December, 1993. I was probably, I remember I got a, that year, either I or my brother, I can't remember who got it. We got a Jurassic park little mini pinball machine. [00:14:40] Speaker B: Oh, nice. [00:14:41] Speaker A: I mean, it was like, as big as, like, a dictionary. It was like a little pinball machine you could play with. And I love that. [00:14:46] Speaker B: The one where invariably it would always stall, so you'd have to pick it up and shake it a little bit. [00:14:51] Speaker A: But not, oh, yeah, you'd have to, like, shake it. Yeah. We also got the Jurassic park, I think I got the Jurassic Park t Rex for Christmas that year too. [00:14:57] Speaker B: Good one. Did it have the voice chip in it. Or was that not that? [00:15:00] Speaker A: Yeah, it would stomp. You could stomp with it, and it would stomp noises, and then you hit the back and it would roar. [00:15:04] Speaker B: Nice. [00:15:05] Speaker A: But that was. I think that was my big present that year was the Jurassic Park t rex. I think my brother got the Jurassic park pinball. [00:15:10] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. [00:15:11] Speaker A: If I remember correctly. But that was a great. That t Rex was great. They had the real feel, skin and everything. [00:15:16] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The nineties was a great time to be a child, Johnny. [00:15:20] Speaker A: Yeah, this is probably about the time magic the gathering was getting popular too. At least. It was probably, like, 93, I would. [00:15:26] Speaker B: Say, if not its alpha series, at least. [00:15:29] Speaker A: Yeah. If not even earlier, it might have been, like, 92, man. Man, it was a good time to have, like, a black light spawn and magic the gathering in the nineties, you sit your room and hit that purple granddaddy. Well, that didn't even exist then. It was like brick weed. Weed in the nineties was like, just like grass. [00:15:48] Speaker B: I was talking to my uber driver once, and he was telling me that in the seventies, you had acapulco red and yucatan yellow. And that was it. That was it. That was it. [00:15:58] Speaker A: And then, like, two types. [00:15:59] Speaker B: You see the, uh, like, the high times best strains of 1979, and it's just pictures of what looks like just like grass clippings. It's sad. It's sad. [00:16:08] Speaker A: Yeah. No, I know what you mean. [00:16:10] Speaker B: Well, that's been marijuana tuck. [00:16:12] Speaker A: That's been new marijuana tuck. [00:16:14] Speaker B: A new recurring segment. Sorry, mom. [00:16:17] Speaker A: Sorry, mom. It's legal, though. You can't do nothing about it. [00:16:21] Speaker B: Nope. [00:16:23] Speaker A: I think they should be at least about drinking. Like, I'm not like, yeah, I love drinking all the damn time. [00:16:28] Speaker B: I mean, you know, Johnny, we would have ourselves quite the boomer audience if we were to start doing that. You know, I get home, I just want to sit in my easy chair with the beer. [00:16:37] Speaker A: We get the Jimmy Buffett crowd. Get them in on. Get them in on spawn. [00:16:42] Speaker B: I think. I think there's actually a large contingent of the Jimmy bumpfit fandom now that likes the good vibes, but doesn't give a shit about drinking. So that's good. It's fun to watch things evolve. [00:16:56] Speaker A: When I went to a Jimmy Buffett concert, everyone was fucking wasted. So I guess that changed in the last ten years. [00:17:03] Speaker B: It's like Spawn's Cape Johnny. It envelops multitudes. [00:17:08] Speaker A: Yeah. It envelopes a lot. [00:17:10] Speaker B: Jimmy Buffett is relevant to every part of everyone's life. Always. [00:17:14] Speaker A: Yeah. So start off this spawn 16. So, December 1993, I was sneaking around with my T Rex action figure Walgreens, and I saw this spawn, and I yanked it off the rack. My mom said, put that back. That man looks scary. [00:17:31] Speaker B: Yeah, we got classic, classic meatball head spawn right here. [00:17:35] Speaker A: Or. [00:17:35] Speaker B: Yeah, or as referenced in the book, stale pizza face. [00:17:39] Speaker A: Stale pizza face. Yeah. He says, why do I look like a stale pizza? He's ripped. He's got, like, a million abs. He's got his spikes going. [00:17:47] Speaker B: That's great. The rare, clear spawn title. [00:17:52] Speaker A: Yeah, you can see through it. [00:17:53] Speaker B: You don't see that very often. [00:17:55] Speaker A: You get that. No, you don't. [00:17:56] Speaker B: Clear and black. The two. Two very, very rare ones. But, yeah, I mean, just so. [00:18:01] Speaker A: Yeah, he's just. He's jumping some great chain work. [00:18:04] Speaker B: Classic, classic Greg Capullo cover. [00:18:06] Speaker A: I love the gray Capulo signature on this. It's so, like, nineties. [00:18:09] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. It's very, like, modern art. [00:18:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:13] Speaker B: Whatever that particular color block is. [00:18:16] Speaker A: This looks something my mom would have had hanging in her living room, in the kitchen in the nineties. [00:18:19] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, you know, Johnny, you could just try to find a blown up version of that and give it to her and, you know, just, like, not tell her that it's spawn. [00:18:31] Speaker A: Really. Capules, I guess, like this. [00:18:33] Speaker B: Get some art, and she'd be, like, 1993. Okay, whatever. It's great. It's fucking great. [00:18:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Good cover. [00:18:41] Speaker B: It's a good. [00:18:41] Speaker A: Kind of looks like a bat. [00:18:43] Speaker B: Yeah, it does. [00:18:44] Speaker A: Reminds me of a bat. [00:18:45] Speaker B: Just. [00:18:45] Speaker A: He's, like, hissing. [00:18:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:47] Speaker A: Scary stuff. Pop it open. You got the credits there. And this is. Image comics presents reflections. Part one is the name of this story. And the story is by Grant Morrison. [00:18:57] Speaker B: Yes. [00:18:58] Speaker A: And you said you're a big fan of theirs, right? [00:18:59] Speaker B: I love Grant Morrison. Grant Morrison is so. So the thing I like about Grant Morrison is they are scottish, and they are a gen xer. And by all means, they could be the most jaded, most conservative piece of garbage in the world, but they have broken free of the Gen X, jaded stereotype and the scottish sort of clinging on to conservative tradition. Stereotypes that are just wonderful and think of wacky shit and are just, like, obsessed with finding meaning and life energy in everything. It's actually what inspired my question about wizards, because I do believe they are a wizard and that they see and recognize and, like, emphasize the life energy in all things, be that in living things or in the things that living things have created. Because it's hard to not impart some of yourself on something you've created. And it's wonderful. If you've ever liked anything in Doom Patrol, thank grant more Morrison. If you've ever liked Arkham Asylum, thank Grant Morrison. If you've. [00:20:16] Speaker A: What are they? Were those the two of their big ones? [00:20:18] Speaker B: Yeah. So Doom patrol, they did a big run, like the revitalization run in the late eighties, early nineties. They did the original Arkham asylum graphic novel. [00:20:29] Speaker A: Okay. [00:20:30] Speaker B: They did animal man in the mid eighties, which is a large metatextual Tome before metatextualism became kind of standard. And it's a wild fucking ride. If you haven't read the Grant Morrison animal man, you should. You should go read it. It's great. [00:20:48] Speaker A: Animal man. Got it. [00:20:49] Speaker B: They did multiple, multiple runs on X Men. They did what is largely considered the quintessential Superman story. Shit, I forget what it's called. I'm gonna look it up. [00:21:03] Speaker A: Is it the. Is it whatever happened to the band of tomorrow? [00:21:07] Speaker B: No, that was Alan Moore. [00:21:08] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [00:21:09] Speaker B: I think I know the. Whatever happened to the Caped Crusader was. Was Neil Gaiman. All star Superman. [00:21:17] Speaker A: Oh, all star Superman. All star Superman. [00:21:19] Speaker B: It's. It's fucking great. It gets at what you love about Superman and is like a spitting in the face of people who are, like, Superman's too overpowered because it focuses on, you know, Superman's like, I have to keep this all in check or I will completely just kill everybody on the planet. And that's the hard part about being Superman. [00:21:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:41] Speaker B: Yeah. But. Oh, I love it. [00:21:42] Speaker A: Okay, cool. [00:21:43] Speaker B: Let's continue with the credits. [00:21:45] Speaker A: Yeah. That's Graham Morrison. Hey, I asked pencils. Greg Capullo. This is our first great Capulo. [00:21:52] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. [00:21:53] Speaker A: Except for violator number three, which Johnny. [00:21:58] Speaker B: Hasn'T come out yet, because this is December 93, violator mini series 94. [00:22:02] Speaker A: So this is our first Greg Capullulo official spawn. [00:22:06] Speaker B: Stamp it. It's the first official Greg Capullo on Spawn Stamp. [00:22:11] Speaker A: It's great. He really picks up that baton very well. He does the. He got demons. You get spawn, you get some new characters as well. It's just he does a really good job. [00:22:22] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:22:22] Speaker A: Picking up that baton from Todd. [00:22:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:24] Speaker A: Great inks are Dan Panosian and Art Thibbert. [00:22:28] Speaker B: It's a fun name. [00:22:29] Speaker A: Thibbert letters and editor Tom Orczyzkowski sticking around. And color by Steve Oliffe and Olioptics. This issue has a memory of Max Gaines. [00:22:41] Speaker B: Yes, indeed. [00:22:42] Speaker A: Which is what happens to me when I work out. [00:22:45] Speaker B: I mean, it's fitting for it to be a Greg Capullo issue. [00:22:49] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Max Gaines. [00:22:50] Speaker B: So I was having a little trouble trying to figure out why specifically this issue for Max Gains Gaines. Because Max Gaines died in 1947 in, like, the summer. Okay. [00:23:04] Speaker A: But maybe either Capullo or Graham Morrison. [00:23:08] Speaker B: He was very essential in early comic book publishing. He founded EC Comics, I think. But he was, he was very big in the establishment of comics as an industry and not just a toss off. So. Okay, so he was like a. One of the guys that came before Stan Lee to kind of pave the way for your stan Lees. But perhaps for me specifically, his longer lasting legacy is that his son was William Bill Gaines, the founder of Mad Motherfucking magazine. It's a gang. [00:23:50] Speaker A: Whoa. [00:23:50] Speaker B: So, yeah, that's huge. Fucking love Med magazine. [00:23:55] Speaker A: I used to read it all the time. Yeah, mad and cracked. [00:23:57] Speaker B: I had a subscription to it. Man, cracked was so fun. I actually, I wasn't allowed to read cracked because it was too crude. But mad. [00:24:04] Speaker A: It was the cruder mad. [00:24:06] Speaker B: It was. Yeah, it was. [00:24:07] Speaker A: We would get both. My brother mainly bought them. I think I like the movie parodies. Those are always. Yeah, they were the faces that look the same. [00:24:15] Speaker B: Fun. I loved spy versus spy. I love the. [00:24:18] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, I had a little book collections of those. Those are great. [00:24:21] Speaker B: Those are great. [00:24:22] Speaker A: So, yeah, Bill Gaines, founder of Mad magazine, he's great. [00:24:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:26] Speaker A: And then we get just a bunch of the only optics credits and just like, various stuff for image comics printed in Canada. [00:24:33] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:24:34] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:24:35] Speaker B: Oh, hell yeah. [00:24:36] Speaker A: We open up on a town, a city, but it looks kind of odd because there's like, a factory right next to a house, right next to a. [00:24:44] Speaker B: Church, right next to, like, silos. [00:24:48] Speaker A: And someone's talking about this place and he goes, there it is. Major Vale. I call it Simmonsville. [00:24:53] Speaker B: Johnny. Johnny, I just noticed something. [00:24:57] Speaker A: What? [00:24:57] Speaker B: Does this house look familiar to you at all in any way, shape or form? [00:25:07] Speaker A: I don't know. No, I don't know completely. The Simpsons house. [00:25:10] Speaker B: That's the. That's the Simpsons house. Okay. [00:25:13] Speaker A: I was about to say it looks a lot like the Simpsons house. What if that was on purpose? [00:25:16] Speaker B: I mean, probably 20. [00:25:19] Speaker A: What is it? 27 evergreen terrace or something? [00:25:21] Speaker B: Something like that. I don't remember. [00:25:23] Speaker A: I'm for Simpsons fans. [00:25:25] Speaker B: All I know is that there's absolutely no way that a bad at his job nuclear power plant safety operator could have that house with a family of five in year of our Lord 2020. [00:25:42] Speaker A: That's two cars. Two cars and a drinking problem. Yeah. [00:25:48] Speaker B: Wild. [00:25:49] Speaker A: And pets. [00:25:50] Speaker B: And pets. [00:25:50] Speaker A: It does look at Simpsons House, but yeah, these two soldiers are walking down the middle of this town called Simmonsville and called Simmonsville and someone's watching them, these two volunteers, or guinea pigs as this person calls them. [00:26:03] Speaker B: Yeah. They, they start refer. They're, they're like, this place is weird. It's like Disneyland. [00:26:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Cause it's like empty houses and like everything's like kind of fake. [00:26:11] Speaker B: Yeah. And everything's smushed together like you had said, right? [00:26:14] Speaker A: Everything's all smushed together. So everything's so close. That kind of like Disneyland. [00:26:18] Speaker B: Yeah. And there's a, in the text we get that there's also a water slide in this town. [00:26:22] Speaker A: That sounds pretty cool. [00:26:23] Speaker B: Yeah, it does. And then factory in the middle of a park. Yeah, that just sounds like, that just sounds like contemporary America to me. But yeah, kind of. Yeah, they're, they're walking around talking about how spooky the place is and the ground starts rumbling in front of them, Johnny. And then out, boom, boom. Some fleabiakics. [00:26:43] Speaker A: Yeah. Some fleabiac looking dudes. Maybe not the brothers, but at least some relatives. Maybe some fleabiac cousins. [00:26:50] Speaker B: Yeah. And the narrator who. It's the conversation between somebody and a major veil. The somebody says, welcome to Simmonsville, major veil, our very own little piece of hell on earth. And it's a great, it's a great little two page spread. [00:27:07] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Yeah, these are great. Picking up, like I said, picking up the baton from Todd McFarlane and those demons keeping the same kind of visual language there. And they pop out of the ground in front of these soldiers and they're like, holy shit. [00:27:20] Speaker B: They're blasting away at them. Just right at head of Ted. At Ted, at that. And then we get a little explanation. [00:27:26] Speaker A: Of what's going on here that they, five years ago, a little over five years ago, they were doing some nuclear testing like you do, and you open a hole in the ground, what they thought was another dimension but actually turned out to be hell. [00:27:38] Speaker B: Yeah. A deleted scene from Oppenheimer. It's on the. [00:27:41] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, they open up hell. [00:27:42] Speaker B: It's on the 4K release. [00:27:44] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. You just watched Oppenheimer. [00:27:46] Speaker B: It's a good film. I contra, I don't, I don't think it should have won best picture, but was very good. [00:27:52] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:27:52] Speaker B: It was very good. I liked it. There was, there's a, I mean, I. [00:27:55] Speaker A: Think like, evil Dead Rise should have won best picture. So what the fuck do I know? [00:27:58] Speaker B: There was, there was so much smashed into that thing. Like, good lord, I can't imagine what the original cut, like, how long the original cut of that film was, I was. [00:28:07] Speaker A: Got to be like 6 hours. It's just like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. It's like cut like Moulin Rouge without. [00:28:14] Speaker B: All the dancing because there's zero dancing in this. But no, it's. [00:28:18] Speaker A: Yeah, what the hell? There's no dancing in Oppenheimer. They can make a musical called Oppi with an exclamation point. [00:28:27] Speaker B: There's one person who's just the bomb. It's like the bullet in Hamilton, only it's the bomb. [00:28:34] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Speaking of bullets, they're shooting up these demons here. So. [00:28:38] Speaker B: Yeah, basically from a FPS view, from. [00:28:41] Speaker A: SP's view, basically, this is, the narrator is explaining that they found hell. This is kind of creepy. They got garbled radio transmissions about blood, waterfalls, and fogs that dissolve flesh. [00:28:52] Speaker B: It's like that. It's like that old, old timey, like colin show where somebody's like, I have sonic evidence of the existence of hell. Yeah. [00:29:04] Speaker A: That actually created a whole thing where, like, someone on some radio called him played, like, sounds from hell. [00:29:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:11] Speaker A: They thought that they discovered. [00:29:13] Speaker B: I don't know if I've ever heard the original recording because a lot of metal bands like to use that little intro and then make just a terrifying noise scape. So I don't know if I ever heard that. [00:29:24] Speaker A: It just sounds like people screaming. It's just like I've listened to it. It's a little creepy. [00:29:31] Speaker B: And I warn you, what you are. [00:29:32] Speaker A: About to hear is very disturbing indeed. I mean, if I open up a hole in the ground and heard it, I'd be pretty scared. [00:29:47] Speaker B: Yeah, but, I mean, from a tape recorder, I mean, you probably just had it in a briefcase next to a playground. [00:29:53] Speaker A: That reminds me of the HP Lovecraft story where they go down into the grave and, like, he keeps going and going. He's, like, talking back on either radio or, like, a little thingy, and then he disappears. Or he sees stuff and, like, he freaks out. That's kind of what happens to these soldiers they sent to hell. [00:30:08] Speaker B: Yeah, kind of. [00:30:09] Speaker A: We find out that hell has psychoplasm. That's what's composed of. [00:30:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:14] Speaker A: And this guy wants this psychoplasm because it is powerful. [00:30:18] Speaker B: Mm hmm. So powerful enough that it can create anything that you think of. So it's. It's kind of like the power of will from Green Lantern, only hellish. [00:30:29] Speaker A: I just imagine it's like that floam. It's like floam. You just. It's like bendable foam you put in any shape. [00:30:36] Speaker B: Uh huh. [00:30:37] Speaker A: You just have to be a good sculptor. [00:30:38] Speaker B: That's true. [00:30:39] Speaker A: And then, so while he's talking about all this, this fleabiac, I guess he like kind of like cocktail early. [00:30:45] Speaker B: Yeah, he does. [00:30:46] Speaker A: He three stooges. [00:30:47] Speaker B: He three stooges them right in the eyes. [00:30:50] Speaker A: Yeah. And it goes through his head. He like three stooges boink. With his big old claws. It goes through this soldier's head. [00:30:55] Speaker B: Uh huh. [00:30:55] Speaker A: And then he just picks him up. [00:30:57] Speaker B: Just like instantly kookerizes him till he's just a skull and a spell. Spine. [00:31:03] Speaker A: What a way to go. [00:31:04] Speaker B: What a way to go. And I do like how they're like, show some spine, will ya? Your buddy did. I like, I like how quippy the demons are. It's fun. [00:31:16] Speaker A: They are funny. [00:31:16] Speaker B: And then, so, so the second, the second soldier just gets dragged inside this house where what's inside, just like blood shoots up out of the chimney. [00:31:27] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like evil speed, evil dead. [00:31:29] Speaker B: Holy shit. [00:31:31] Speaker A: I love just the movement in this. Like, you really hear him dragging him up the stairs with the ba dump, but dump, just seeing him hit his head. Yeah, it's just, he's like clawing. It's just badass. [00:31:41] Speaker B: There's a lot of action and a lot of it is like veiled by smoke and dust and all this stuff. But it's still very clear. Greg Capullo is a fucking master, Johnny. [00:31:52] Speaker A: Yeah. And then here we find out that. [00:31:55] Speaker B: That it's called Simmonsville because this person. [00:31:58] Speaker A: Gave Simmons to hell to get more psychoplasm. And who would be so nasty as to do that? [00:32:04] Speaker B: Well, the original nastyman Johnny. [00:32:07] Speaker A: The original nastyman, Jason Wynn. It's Jason Wynn. There he is. [00:32:12] Speaker B: And the reason that they call it Simmonsville is that before Jason Wynn gave Al Simmons to hell, he made a copy of his memories. And so Simmonsville is a psychroplasmic recreation of everywhere that Al Simmons ever lived or was kind of smushed together. [00:32:30] Speaker A: And it's just when they're conducting tests on psychoplasm and it's over the entrance to hell. So just this will be part of the story for a few issues here. It kind of sticks around. Yeah, but this is just a little introduction to Simmonsville. [00:32:42] Speaker B: Yeah, it's great. And then so major Vale's like, I don't know how much of this I understand. [00:32:48] Speaker A: He's like, I don't know about that. Someone shows up, hey, guys, we got hell powers down. [00:32:53] Speaker B: He's like, he's a little incredulous about it. And Jason win's like, we're gonna talk about it later, but first I gotta go exercise. [00:33:02] Speaker A: How's that sound? What a great, like, power move to be like, excuse me, I have to go work out. [00:33:06] Speaker B: I have to go get swimming in. [00:33:07] Speaker A: The middle of a meeting. In the middle of a meeting. Just be like, sorry, gotta go fight some ninjas in my danger room. [00:33:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Then. Then, Johnny, I don't even. You have to say it. It's cut to spawn or cut to New York City. [00:33:20] Speaker A: It's cut to New York City. [00:33:21] Speaker B: And we got spawn sitting on a. Sitting on a grotesque there, doing his. Peering down at the city. It's great, Johnny. This is technically our first Greg Capullo spawn in his four glory. And he's not even bothering being in full glory. Full glory. He's an action pose. [00:33:37] Speaker A: He's an action pose. He's getting rained on. It's raining bullets. [00:33:40] Speaker B: It is. It is. And he's. He's asking his questions, questions, questions, questions. Very, very concisely restates all of the questions that. That Al Simmons had over, like, the first seven issues just in one page. So, you know, Grant Morrison is much more economic with their words than the Godfather. [00:34:02] Speaker A: Yeah, I noticed that there was a wall of text in this one. [00:34:06] Speaker B: And it got you to the same place. Hey, hey, hey. Cha cha cha. I like. [00:34:11] Speaker A: Yes, there's a child. [00:34:12] Speaker B: I like this next page. That is the. The recap of everything we've learned from the previous 15 issues. And it's got that awesome malbolgia in the background. The spawn still crouching on that grotesque. It's got wanda crying onto his casket. It's got chapel there with his little bitty. He's got a little bitty stumpy gun. I like the little stumpy gun. [00:34:32] Speaker A: He's got, like, a stubnose pistol. That's cool. So very nineties. [00:34:37] Speaker B: Who set me up? Who sent me to hell? And if I'm here, who's buried in Alcamen's grave? It's like, uh. It's like, who's buried in Grant's tomb? Or whatever that old teaser is. I still don't know the answer. Yeah, there's an old. There's, like, an old brain teaser called who's buried in Grant's tomb? [00:34:56] Speaker A: What's the answer? [00:34:57] Speaker B: I don't fucking know. [00:34:59] Speaker A: Oh. [00:34:59] Speaker B: It was one of those things that was presented as. You're supposed to know the answer, because it's. It's something, I think it has to do with american history. But then you know, we're now at the point where it's so abstracted that it's like, no, I don't actually fucking know what the answer is. I just know the question. [00:35:15] Speaker A: I've heard that before. But, yeah, you're right. I will notice if you notice. I know this is probably unintentional, but Malwolzer's bottom jaw kind of forms a crown over spawn. Maybe a little accidental, you know? [00:35:27] Speaker B: You know, maybe not. Maybe. Maybe accidental in terms of king Spawn, but not accidental in terms of Greg Capoulo knows how to compose a page and. [00:35:36] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, absolutely. [00:35:37] Speaker B: But you know what, Johnny? We're allowed to put our current knowledge of spawn onto old Spawn, and we're gonna say they knew King Spawn from. [00:35:48] Speaker A: That's like, in Star wars episode one, they've retconned. There's a. I think I've mentioned this before, but there's a little doll on Anakin shelf that kind of looks like Maz Kanata. And they've retconned it to say that it is. [00:35:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:36:00] Speaker A: Even though she didn't exist when that movie was made. [00:36:02] Speaker B: But I can't remember if you told me that or if I fell into a rabbit hole. [00:36:07] Speaker A: Yeah. This little Maz Kanata figure on Anakin Skywalker shelf in episode one. [00:36:10] Speaker B: I do know that they have tried very, very hard to make sure that, like, everything that's in Anakin's room shows up at some point. [00:36:18] Speaker A: Yeah. Like the lacrosse thing that's spray painted. [00:36:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:36:22] Speaker A: There's, like, a lacrosse thing. There's, like, a couple other things. [00:36:25] Speaker B: Yeah, that's funny. [00:36:27] Speaker A: So you're in New York, if I may say. [00:36:29] Speaker B: Yeah, excellent Wanda there. [00:36:31] Speaker A: Excellent Wanda crying. Yeah. [00:36:33] Speaker B: Greg Capulla draws a great wanda. [00:36:34] Speaker A: Mm hmm. [00:36:35] Speaker B: Okay. Sorry. [00:36:37] Speaker A: No, you're good. [00:36:39] Speaker B: I like talking about Wanda. She's important to the series. [00:36:42] Speaker A: She is. Like Pat said, maybe it brings people in with that romance angle with the wanda. It's one of the things that a lot of things doesn't have. [00:36:49] Speaker B: Yeah, that's true, but that's because. That's because, you know, Todd McFarlane, I. [00:36:53] Speaker A: Don'T know many superheroes whose origin stories are tied to their ex wife, so it's pretty unique. Or you're gonna name, like, 50, aren't you? [00:37:01] Speaker B: No, actually, I was gonna. I was gonna say, or an ex that's still alive, because there's a lot of. [00:37:06] Speaker A: Usually they're dead. [00:37:07] Speaker B: There's a lot of wanting someone they can't have, or they lost the love of their life right through. Through death. Not through. Not through. Well, through their. Through their spouse's death. Not through their own death. [00:37:20] Speaker A: Their own death. Right. This is like the opposite. Somebody died. [00:37:25] Speaker B: Somebody died. [00:37:26] Speaker A: So Bond's like, just brooding and he's like, you know what? I gotta figure this shit out. But first, I need to. [00:37:32] Speaker B: He needs to blow off a little. [00:37:33] Speaker A: Relax. Yeah. So he lights up a big old purple bong. [00:37:37] Speaker B: Purple bong. [00:37:37] Speaker A: It takes a hit. [00:37:38] Speaker B: That's what he does. He gets lit and he goes and he stops crying. [00:37:43] Speaker A: He gets super high. That's the hilarious. I was watching a little bit of galaxy Quest on Pluto tv last night. I never realized that Tony Shalhoub's character is just supposed to be high, right? [00:37:52] Speaker B: Oh, I haven't seen Galaxy crest in years. I need to, because he's like, smiling. [00:37:56] Speaker A: And he's always eating. And he's just like, eh. And I'm like, is he high? I think that's the joke. I just never got it as a kid. [00:38:01] Speaker B: I mean, it could be that Tony Shalhoub was just high. Tony Shalhoub is Tony Shalhoub. Great actor. Controversial opinion. [00:38:08] Speaker A: Jen, is it? [00:38:10] Speaker B: No, it's absolutely not. Mister Monk. Mister Monk. The dad. He is great at the dad in the marvelous. Misses Maisel. [00:38:19] Speaker A: I haven't watched that. [00:38:20] Speaker B: But he's. He's just an old man who wants things the way that he wants them. And nobody wants to give him that pleasure. And he's just always upset about it. He's great. He's great. [00:38:33] Speaker A: I can relate to that. So Spawn wants to spread some paint around. So he decides to go to rat alley here. And we got some jerks coming up on unhoused dude here. [00:38:43] Speaker B: Yeah. And they're gonna. They're gonna light them on fire because they're bored. [00:38:48] Speaker A: Wow. [00:38:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Wow. [00:38:50] Speaker A: See, this is what happened before the Internet, folks. People couldn't just go on the Internet and look at porn. They used to light people on fire. [00:38:55] Speaker B: Well, people. People still do this. [00:38:57] Speaker A: I know. [00:38:58] Speaker B: Unfortunately, people still do this. [00:39:00] Speaker A: But now you can just watch it on the Internet because they film it. [00:39:04] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, boy. Oh boy. The best part of this whole sequence is one of these. These guys trying to light this guy on fire is named Bernie. [00:39:16] Speaker A: He's got a cross tattoo on his face. [00:39:18] Speaker B: Yeah, he does. [00:39:19] Speaker A: Or I guess not Bernie, but the other guy does. [00:39:22] Speaker B: But. So they're standing there with a can full of gas and a handful of matches. Johnny, how dangerous? Cops still didn't find out, but sponsor did. [00:39:31] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:39:32] Speaker B: And great, great. Little bit of writing here, Johnny. So get ready to burn in hell. Cause hell. You really want to talk about hell, bud? [00:39:43] Speaker A: Then let's talk. [00:39:46] Speaker B: Well, Grant Morrison's dialogue for Spahn is amazing. It's very good. [00:39:51] Speaker A: He is good. [00:39:52] Speaker B: It's very good. [00:39:53] Speaker A: You heard him, Bernie. Go ahead, blow me away. And he just breaks the dude's hand. [00:39:57] Speaker B: Yeah, my hand. Your. Ah. Looks like Bernie's too busy right now. You want to take a shot? I like. Like how he says, you think I. You think I need powers to deal with scum like you? And then when he punches him, the onomatopoeia is scum. [00:40:12] Speaker A: Yeah, scum. Oh. [00:40:17] Speaker B: Oh, boy. And, you know, he, you know, punches. [00:40:19] Speaker A: Him against the wall. [00:40:20] Speaker B: Yeah. But Spawn's hurting Bernie's hand so much that he throws up. That's. That's pretty. That's pretty intense. I can't imagine having my hand hurt so bad that I throw up. [00:40:31] Speaker A: Yeah, that would be really bad. [00:40:33] Speaker B: Yeah, really bad. Then Spahn turns to the unhomed men, and he says, sorry about that. I guess I was just feeling pissed. He's like, I guess you were like, what are you supposed to. What are you supposed to say to that? Somebody apologizes for just having brutally, brutally mutilated some attackers in front of you. [00:40:51] Speaker A: Yeah, okay, apologies. First of all, thanks for not letting him burn me. Second of all, uh, maybe talk to somebody. [00:40:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Co says, if anybody asks for me, tell them I'm digging up an old friend. He says, yeah, sure, I will. Sure. [00:41:06] Speaker A: Yeah, sure, sure, sure. [00:41:08] Speaker B: Who's gonna. Who's gonna believe him? Who knows? [00:41:10] Speaker A: Then we cut to another place in Manhattan, not far away in Midtown. We've seen it before, building with no name and no number. This is our introduction to kind of like, heaven is like a corporate entity. This is happened before. [00:41:21] Speaker B: Yeah, the Angela issue. [00:41:23] Speaker A: Oh, there's a issue. Right, right. So we've seen this before, cuz. [00:41:26] Speaker B: Cuz there's the nice twist of all of the. All of the archangels that we think of as the immaculate muscles. Men are women. [00:41:35] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right, cuz there's Mikayla and Gabriel. [00:41:38] Speaker B: Gabriel. Gabriel. [00:41:39] Speaker A: Gabriel. Gabriel, Gabriel, Gabriel. [00:41:41] Speaker B: Angela. Gabe. Gabe. Gabe, Gab. Gabby Gab. [00:41:45] Speaker A: Let's just call her Gab. [00:41:47] Speaker B: Gab. [00:41:47] Speaker A: Gabs for short. [00:41:51] Speaker B: I think we might get smoked, Johnny. [00:41:53] Speaker A: And so this is kind of picking up. Yeah. From that Angela issue. Just, like, peppering in. Like, remember the angels are here. [00:41:59] Speaker B: Remember when Angela Dunn fucked up? Well, now we got to clean up her mess, basically. [00:42:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:06] Speaker B: So to clean up Angela's mess since. Since spawn is still running around all free and stuff. They, they basically, uh, hijack some international space station astronauts and, you know, turn them into, uh, like proxies for heaven. Yeah. [00:42:27] Speaker A: And they're like glowing. They have like glowing heads. [00:42:29] Speaker B: Yeah, it's very cool. [00:42:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:32] Speaker B: They just had to hollow out the bodies of the humans and install their own essences within them. [00:42:37] Speaker A: You know, easy peasy. [00:42:38] Speaker B: They'll contact the avenging angel of the fifth heaven and arrange for the transfer of the elemental fire, which, you know, as we remember from the Redeemer issue, elemental fire was the first redeemer. So yes, it was. Thomas Healy said that Rory McConville was a continuity hound. And there you go. We see it popping up already. We sure do. [00:43:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Because the element of fire is the first redeemer. You're right. [00:43:05] Speaker B: I also like the idea of the fifth heaven. Makes it seem like there's a hierarchy of heaven. Like there is for hell. [00:43:11] Speaker A: Right. [00:43:12] Speaker B: I wonder if there are any psychic ice shrimp up there too. [00:43:15] Speaker A: They're a little more heavenly. So it'd probably be like telepathic desert lobsters. [00:43:21] Speaker B: You never know. Little crabs. [00:43:22] Speaker A: Crabs. [00:43:23] Speaker B: Crab. [00:43:25] Speaker A: Telepathic desert crabs. [00:43:27] Speaker B: Uh huh. And they're, what kind of human has the strength to bear the elemental fire? And they say the subject has already been selected. And then from there we cut to. [00:43:35] Speaker A: Jason Wynn, who's a, you know, I was gonna say it. He's a beefy king. [00:43:38] Speaker B: He's a beefy king. Look at that. He is. [00:43:40] Speaker A: He's got a gut, but he is kicking ass. [00:43:42] Speaker B: Yeah, he is. He is. He is. Steven Seagaling out right here. [00:43:45] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely. He definitely looks a lot like Steven Seagal at the moment, but not, well. [00:43:49] Speaker B: Not Steven Seagal at the moment, but Steven Seagal. [00:43:51] Speaker A: No, Steven Seagal. [00:43:52] Speaker B: This was public at the moment. [00:43:53] Speaker A: This was. Yeah, exactly at the moment. [00:43:55] Speaker B: No, before Steven Seagal just became one giant beer gut. [00:43:59] Speaker A: Yeah, he's fighting a ninja. This is his exercise, so, you know. [00:44:04] Speaker B: Yeah, and I love the way this panel, these panels are broken out. There's one panel that one of the sides is ninja hand and baton. And there's another one that another side of it is just Jason Nguyen. A great page. A great page. [00:44:21] Speaker A: I always love when you got it. When they have a little setup for like. [00:44:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:24] Speaker A: This person can fight to explain it. You don't need that. He gets injected with elemental fire. He doesn't need. But it's nice that they put that in there. It reminds me of when they were making the Scott Pilgrim movie. I don't know if you remember, but there's a little part at the beginning where they do, like a. It's like a dance dance revolution, but it's called, like, fight, fight revolution. And they're doing it, like, as a video game on a date when he's on a date, but it's like, kind of like showing why they. That they can fight. And it was something that the studio put in there to, like, explain the fighting. They're like, you have to have show that they're learning fighting from somewhere. So is this video game. But it reminds me of this a little bit. It's like he has to know how to fight. Like, we have to show. You show it before you just make him into a supervillain, you know? [00:45:03] Speaker B: Well, thanks for spoiling it for me, Johnny, because I've never seen Scott Pilgrim. [00:45:08] Speaker A: Well, it's okay. [00:45:10] Speaker B: You spoiled the. The beginning of. [00:45:14] Speaker A: I spoiled the first 15 minutes. [00:45:17] Speaker B: No, no worries. [00:45:17] Speaker A: You would. You would maybe like it. I don't know if seeing it for the first time in 2024, when I saw it, I fucking loved it. [00:45:24] Speaker B: We'll see. Maybe one of these days I'll watch it. [00:45:26] Speaker A: But 13 or 14 years old now, but it's an Edgar Wright movie, so it's really good. But nice. [00:45:31] Speaker B: But yeah. So Jason Wynn says that you fight like little girls. If I was an enemy, you'd be dead meat. As it is, you're out of a job. [00:45:39] Speaker A: And, like, that was your job. You just waited around for Jason Wynn to work out. [00:45:43] Speaker B: Well, I mean, at the risk. At the risk of bringing up a terrible, terrible stereotype that has been perpetuated in film, it's very much like the Pink Panther and Kato. Yeah. Where Kato just, like, hides around the house and then jumps out at him. [00:46:01] Speaker A: True that. It is very similar to that. [00:46:03] Speaker B: Very similar to that. Oh, boy. And I like that as Jason Wen is having his lackey fire these ninjas, he gets gooped up by the angels. [00:46:15] Speaker A: Oh, man. Yeah, he just gets, like, gooped up. Like, turns into some goop. [00:46:19] Speaker B: Gooped up is literally the only way to describe it. They take away his little beer belly, Johnny. I know. [00:46:25] Speaker A: They suck him up into goop. [00:46:27] Speaker B: I bet. I bet the mal bol. I bet Mel bowl is just like, I wonder if they could do that for me. [00:46:31] Speaker A: Just like, can they? [00:46:33] Speaker B: And then Jason went bloop, bloop, bloop, bloops, back onto the space station where the angels are. And he's, you know, asking the normal questions, where am I? Who the hell are you? Are you his people? And then we have the opening reading that they do not serve the Malbolgia. They serve a higher power granddaddy perp. [00:47:00] Speaker A: They serve that granddaddy perp on a platter. [00:47:02] Speaker B: Yeah, they sure did. [00:47:04] Speaker A: Now then they start, like, electro zapping away his, his abs and like, his skeleton. [00:47:09] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, they start zapping him and you can, like, see right through him. It's like he's hit with an x ray beam. [00:47:15] Speaker A: I wonder if it's like those, like, things that were popular in the two thousands that were like, you attach it to your abs and it electrocutes you to make you work out the little tins unit. Yeah, yeah, maybe it's like one of those. But he screams, yar, that's a great scream. [00:47:30] Speaker B: Er, yeah, and it's, it's, it's burning. God help me, it's burning. It's, it's a little more intense than the old Frank Zappa question. Why does it hurt? [00:47:41] Speaker A: I don't want no doctor to stick no needle in me. [00:47:44] Speaker B: I got it from the toilet seat. So we cut from, you know, Jason wind burning and skeletorizing some well placed shadow, Johnny. So well placed shadow there. Yeah, they're keeping it censored. [00:48:02] Speaker A: You gotta cover that. Jason Windong. [00:48:04] Speaker B: Actually, before, before we cut, if I could just say one of the things that I miss in contemporary comics is fucking hairy ass forearms on your people. Look at, look at all that. [00:48:14] Speaker A: Yeah, look at those, those, like, scales, they're so hairy. [00:48:16] Speaker B: Oh, man. You don't, you don't get hairy arms like that in comics these days. I wish they'd make a comeback. Anyway, we cut to Al Simmons in the graveyard, digging in his own grave, and he's talking about, you know, like the existential kind of crisis he's in right now, where he's like, I'm digging up a body buried in my own grave. I'm not gonna find anything there, so why am I scared? What's going on? Yeah, find something that's not Al Simmons here. What's going on? [00:48:46] Speaker A: But then just be a bunch of cinder blocks or something. [00:48:49] Speaker B: But, yeah, but then to increase, increase the existential angst, Johnny, he opens it up and, you know, it's him. He sees his own. [00:48:57] Speaker A: There's a skeleton in there. [00:48:58] Speaker B: There's a skeleton in there. He says, what the fuck? Yeah. He's like, what am I? What have you done to me? That's also a very Grant Morrison thing. Grant Morrison loves to play with existentialism. So, okay, so the fact that Al Simmons, you know, is fucking losing his mind because he's in two places at once. How does that work? [00:49:17] Speaker A: Well, this is an important scene. It was actually. It was adapted in the movie. The scenes pretty much in the movie. I mean, clowns are with him, but it's pretty much the exact same thing. [00:49:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:24] Speaker A: Remember I had the toy? We get to reveal Al Simmons grave, his corpse with. [00:49:28] Speaker B: With corpse revealing action. [00:49:29] Speaker A: Yeah, it's every kid's favorite toy. Al Simmons corpse. [00:49:33] Speaker B: Then we cut from, you know, Al screaming into the void. We get Jason Nguyen, like glowing gold with his own little cape starting to appear. [00:49:43] Speaker A: Also saying, what have you done to me? [00:49:45] Speaker B: Yeah, Johnny, I have to say. Tom o, literally just taking a highlighter over Jason Wynn's words. A masterstroke. Oh, yeah, Tom O. Best letterer to ever letter. I want to. I'm gonna stamp that, Johnny. Stamp it. Tom O. Best letter to ever letter. Nobody can do better. Fight. [00:50:07] Speaker A: All right. I told him where the bathroom was at Spawncon. [00:50:09] Speaker B: So there you go. So the elemental fire of heaven burns within him. Now he's no longer human, and he's supposed to destroy the hellspawn, Johnny. [00:50:20] Speaker A: And they say, rise up, be born again, soldier of light, antispawn, anti spawn. And you return the page, and there he is, anti spawn in all his glory. [00:50:27] Speaker B: In all his glory and fun story behind the scenes. As we were waiting to catch the bus to spawn 350 day, I was slipping through Johnny's well read compendium number one and just randomly landed on this page and was like, oh, Johnny, look at this. [00:50:47] Speaker A: There it is, man. [00:50:48] Speaker B: I fucking love this. I love the purple cape. I love. [00:50:50] Speaker A: Yeah, I love the original colors here on the redeemer guy. [00:50:53] Speaker B: I love the. The replacing skulls everywhere for crosses. It's just a great, great costume. [00:51:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm sure people in 1993 were like, ah. When they flipped the page and saw this. [00:51:05] Speaker B: I mean, I was like, ah, the first time I saw it, when I was reading through it the first time, I was like, holy shit. What is. [00:51:11] Speaker A: There's an anti. They turn Jason Wynn into anti squad. [00:51:14] Speaker B: Yeah, it's great. [00:51:17] Speaker A: They actually says next, malbolgia is the devil. Late night with Malboulgia. It's the new movie. [00:51:23] Speaker B: Oh, man, that. That looked. That movie looks so fucking good. [00:51:26] Speaker A: It does look good. Chris, partner of Bran, friend of the show, has seen it because it was at Chicago Film Festival last year. [00:51:34] Speaker B: Oh, man. What'd they say? What'd they say? Was it good? [00:51:38] Speaker A: Yeah, they said it was very good. [00:51:39] Speaker B: Fuck, yeah. [00:51:40] Speaker A: So that'll be good. [00:51:41] Speaker B: I should probably consider going to that one of these years, but I'm lazy. Yeah. [00:51:45] Speaker A: That clip you sent me about David Zaz Malchan talking about how great Chicago is for creative people. That was from the premiere of that, I think because he was there. [00:51:53] Speaker B: Nice. Nice, nice, nice. [00:51:54] Speaker A: They're doing some live Q and A's at the draft house, but they, like, immediately sold out. I think he's gonna be there, or someone's gonna be there. But those Alamo drafthouse seats, man, they saw it fast. There's some tiny theaters. [00:52:04] Speaker B: Yeah, they did well, I mean, you know that because of their lush seating, Johnny. [00:52:09] Speaker A: Lush seating. Yeah. And it's like, also, the smack dab in the middle of Wrigleyville is on a lot of real estate there. [00:52:14] Speaker B: No, no, there is not. No, there is not. There's less. Every time I go up there, I'm like, holy shit, what if. What? [00:52:21] Speaker A: Have they crammed more stuff here? [00:52:23] Speaker B: How do they do it? The world? You never know. [00:52:26] Speaker A: Next up, we got the back matter. The very long back matter, as we do in the old issues, is, like, seven pages. Yeah, it's, like, almost half the issue. [00:52:34] Speaker B: The. The blah, blah, blah, is basically Terry Fitzgerald saying, merry Christmas, you filthy animals. Here's some teases of some stuff that might be happening. You never know. [00:52:44] Speaker A: This is interesting to see, because he says, like, some of these things we might be even doing on our own, which is obviously the toys, is what he's talking about. But it's just funny to think, like, the toys didn't even exist yet at this point, because, like, now you can't imagine spawn without all the merchandise. And this is, like, before that, there's. He basically just lists the, like, eight items that there are that are official spawn merchandise. One of them being spogs. [00:53:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:06] Speaker A: The spawn pogs. [00:53:08] Speaker B: The spawntastic apparel. [00:53:09] Speaker A: The spawn mobile hot wheels. [00:53:12] Speaker B: The rings and necklaces. [00:53:16] Speaker A: The violator charm. Yes. The $500 violator necklace. [00:53:19] Speaker B: I still need to buy myself a spawn mobile hot wheel. [00:53:22] Speaker A: I know. Those are cool. [00:53:23] Speaker B: They're cool. [00:53:24] Speaker A: They're not very much. [00:53:25] Speaker B: No, they aren't. It's just I'm lazy. [00:53:28] Speaker A: Or you could get one of those zambonis. [00:53:31] Speaker B: Yeah. Those ones are much bigger, though. Much, much harder to put on a desk at work. [00:53:36] Speaker A: That's true. And then Terry Fitzgerald said, enjoy the holiday season, but watch out how much holiday cheer you ingest. [00:53:43] Speaker B: Speaking of. Speaking of drinking too much, Johnny. [00:53:45] Speaker A: Speaking of drinking too much. And then we get all the kind of, like, previews for all the other image books coming out as we. Yep. [00:53:52] Speaker B: Then we get a pinup by. [00:53:55] Speaker A: I love this spawn 17 with the preview. And it says, can these guys beat toddy at their own game? [00:54:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:01] Speaker A: Another knockout story by Grant, who's one of the world's top talents. And amazing heart pounding pencils by Greggy. [00:54:06] Speaker B: I'm surprised they didn't say granty and Greggy. And Toddy. [00:54:10] Speaker A: Yeah, that's funny. And then we get some fun pinups. [00:54:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:13] Speaker A: I guess they're called, right? [00:54:14] Speaker B: Yeah. But one by Brady, Brad Gorby, and the other one by Don Simpson. [00:54:20] Speaker A: Don Simpson was the guy he argued with, right? Or debated. [00:54:23] Speaker B: No, that was Peter David. [00:54:24] Speaker A: Ah, shit. This Don Simpson was cool. I like the spine. He's got a really long neck. [00:54:29] Speaker B: Yeah. I like the. The sort of, like, bronze age ishness of it. [00:54:36] Speaker A: Yeah. And the meddler must be one of his other characters, huh? [00:54:39] Speaker B: Yeah, must be. I don't know who the meddler is, but, I mean, he's got a cat, so he can't be all bad. [00:54:44] Speaker A: Yeah, a black cat. Yeah. So there's some cool pinups there. Nice to get that one's by. The other one's by Brad Gorby. And then we get. The walls of text are finally here. [00:54:52] Speaker B: I feel like they made the letters smaller on this than they tend. Like. [00:54:56] Speaker A: No, they're tiny. [00:54:56] Speaker B: Yeah. I was like, the word si. The letter size is just so small. Cause there's. There's like five letters here. [00:55:05] Speaker A: 1231 of them is fucking huge. One of those letters is like a whole page. Almost five. [00:55:10] Speaker B: Six. There's six letters here. Johnny. Yow, boy. [00:55:13] Speaker A: Well, my favorite is the. There's a couple that have a little, like, tricks where they trick Todd. It's like, there's one. The first letter is like, let me start off by saying I admire your work. Your art is truly unique, and your writing is good also. I love what you did with the amazing spider man, but now I think you're a hypocrite. And it's like, what? He's like. And then this other guy's like, you know, I thought he would probably have no talent at all and whatever. And then he said, but I was wrong. Dead wrong. That's a good. That's a good surprise. [00:55:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:41] Speaker A: It's just funny. [00:55:42] Speaker B: There's. There's a story of a dude accidentally stumbling upon a comics convention party. You got to meet Todd McFarlane. There's a couple of stories of, you know, again with people missing. [00:55:59] Speaker A: A lot of people asking about comic conventions and signatures to get a signature. And Todd just lays out the facts, man. He does 2100 signatures a day. [00:56:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:09] Speaker A: That's all he can do. Yeah. And you get the classic complaining, complimenting. People are mean. People are nice. These letters are funny. [00:56:17] Speaker B: This one is just fucking. So long, Johnny. [00:56:21] Speaker A: Oh, so long. [00:56:22] Speaker B: Ag Williams. Put like, fucking, like a business week's worth of work into this. [00:56:28] Speaker A: Yeah. Seriously. Shit, dude, what if this was handwritten? [00:56:32] Speaker B: Probably either that or on a typewriter, because, you know, I don't think word. [00:56:36] Speaker A: Processors weren't that big yet. [00:56:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Or they were so expensive that they weren't commonplace. [00:56:41] Speaker A: Right. [00:56:41] Speaker B: He could have been at the library, just clickety clackety. Click, click clack. [00:56:44] Speaker A: Yeah. You wouldn't have a printer at home at that point probably. [00:56:47] Speaker B: Or it would. Could have been a dot matrix printer with the paper little, the little holes on the side of it. Dot, dot matrix. Yeah. [00:56:56] Speaker A: So yeah, those are the letters. [00:56:58] Speaker B: Some interesting letters. [00:57:00] Speaker A: Yeah, check them out. [00:57:02] Speaker B: We got some awesome fan art going on here. This first one, Rob Saccheto from Sudbury, Ontario, is awesome because it's like spawn as two faced where half of him has his mask on and half of them is just raw meatball face. It's pretty cool. [00:57:18] Speaker A: There's extra raw. He's got the big dead eye. Pretty cool. He also looks like he's like someone's taking a picture of him. He's putting up his hand, like, don't take a picture. Paparazzi. [00:57:28] Speaker B: Papa paparazzi. [00:57:31] Speaker A: We got a bunch of image people. I don't know. [00:57:33] Speaker B: Yeah, there's some wild cats. [00:57:36] Speaker A: I do know them. You know, you got grifter and Lady Tron. [00:57:39] Speaker B: Well, it's wildcats. And then there's the max and then some more wildcats. And some more wildcats and savage dragon and then the pit. [00:57:49] Speaker A: So, yeah. Okay. Yes, I do know. So why. [00:57:51] Speaker B: Yeah, most of them are wildcats. [00:57:55] Speaker A: Most of them are wildcats. Yeah. Cool. Nice fan art. Yeah. And then we get a couple more ads. Shadow Shadowhawk trade paperback. This is the thing that struck me about this ad. It says this trade paperbacks, 1295. It's like, as much as trade paperbacks are now. [00:58:07] Speaker B: Yeah, this was only three issues. [00:58:09] Speaker A: Like, damn, that was expensive, actually, I. [00:58:12] Speaker B: Guess three issues plus the Shadowhawk factor, which I still. [00:58:15] Speaker A: That's expensive. Like in nineties money, $12.95. [00:58:18] Speaker B: And at least we forget Johnny Shadowhawk is the hero. That in order to get rid of him, they shot him with a bullet coated in AIDS. That's how he's defeated. [00:58:31] Speaker A: Oh, no. [00:58:32] Speaker B: Yeah, nineties. Oh boy. How do we follow that up? They got Mark Silvestri and Jim Lee on a killer instinct tour for Wildcats. Man. [00:58:41] Speaker A: Yep. They're going all over the place. [00:58:43] Speaker B: Although, actually, I guess Wildcats and cyber force, because Mark Silvestri did cyber force, which was basically wildcats, only drawn by, well, both wild cats, only more cybery. Yeah. Both Wildcats and Cyber Force were basically just two previous X Men artists doing their own version. [00:59:03] Speaker A: Their own X Men. Right. [00:59:05] Speaker B: We get it. [00:59:05] Speaker A: But, yeah, they're making her. They're making the rounds, like, December 12, they're at three different places. Yeah, December 11, they go to four different places. They're just bopping all over the place. [00:59:16] Speaker B: That's wild. [00:59:17] Speaker A: Pretty cool. [00:59:17] Speaker B: Yeah, it is. [00:59:18] Speaker A: And then you get an ad for Max versus Pitt. Mm hmm. [00:59:22] Speaker B: That's pretty awesome. [00:59:23] Speaker A: And wizard magazine. [00:59:25] Speaker B: They speak of the language, Johnny. [00:59:27] Speaker A: They sure do. In the back, we get the ad for Miller, McFarlane, Farland, Batman, Spawn, March 94. March 94. [00:59:38] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. [00:59:38] Speaker A: And I forgot this is that, uh, the first one was the image comics one, and then the second one, the war devil, is the DC one. Because when they did it, they each got to publish one, was the idea. So. [00:59:51] Speaker B: Well, yeah, well, that's. That's Spawn 16, John. [00:59:54] Speaker A: That's Spawn 16. The introduction of anti Spawn and Greg Capullo. Greek apulo. [01:00:00] Speaker B: Psychoplasm. [01:00:02] Speaker A: Psychoplasm. Fucking major veil corpse. [01:00:06] Speaker B: The. The. The weird angels with the exposed brains. [01:00:13] Speaker A: You know, a lot of fun stuff. [01:00:14] Speaker B: Those things that keep coming back over and over. [01:00:16] Speaker A: Exploding brains. Seems like Grant Morrison's brain exploded all over the page because it's a very creative, fun issue. [01:00:25] Speaker B: Yeah, it's wild. [01:00:42] Speaker A: So next up for our second issue today we have spawn, another mainline spawn, but it is 349 much in the future. From 16. Who reads Spawn? [01:00:51] Speaker B: Johnny? Why are we covering this? [01:00:53] Speaker A: What? All right, so Shin Hati and Balin in Ashoka are. He's a fallen Jedi, and he's training her, but not in the ways the Jedi. So hopefully we learn a little more about him in Ashoka season two. Or Ahsoka, however you fucking say it. I don't know. Is that what you wanted? [01:01:14] Speaker B: I was wanting you to tell me that Spawn was good and fun, Johnny. [01:01:17] Speaker A: No, Spawn's good and fun, and we're on that road to 300, so it's even more extra fun. 350. We're on the road to 350. We've already been on the road to 300. [01:01:26] Speaker B: Let's say that road. We. We done passed that road. That was. [01:01:29] Speaker A: We did that road. [01:01:30] Speaker B: That was. That was a road traveled. We came upon a partying in a crowded. Whatever the fucking poem is. Jesus. [01:01:39] Speaker A: I don't know. The world less traveled? Yeah, fucking the road most traveled. [01:01:43] Speaker B: How about. [01:01:44] Speaker A: How about we're traveling over this spawn? [01:01:46] Speaker B: How about the. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, Johnny. [01:01:49] Speaker A: It is pretty crazy. Once you do 3850, we'll cover everything from 300 to 350. [01:01:54] Speaker B: That's 50 issues of spot. Well, I mean, from 297. So I know. [01:01:57] Speaker A: Even more. Even more. But I'm saying, like, that's. [01:02:00] Speaker B: John, John, we've read a lot of fucking spot. Somehow. Somehow are able to answer questions. As you'll remember from that our espawn 350 day episode that came out a couple weeks ago. Yeah. [01:02:14] Speaker A: People act like we were experts or something. [01:02:15] Speaker B: Yes. I mean, it's wild. It's wild. We might almost be experts, Johnny. [01:02:21] Speaker A: I mean, you're getting there. We're getting there. [01:02:23] Speaker B: We're getting there. [01:02:24] Speaker A: Wow. But so, yeah, 349. [01:02:26] Speaker B: In order to get there, we gotta. We gotta cover 349, don't we, Johnny? [01:02:30] Speaker A: Yeah. It is the issue before 350 leading up to that. And we always start with the covers. [01:02:37] Speaker B: Yep. Gotta cover them. [01:02:38] Speaker A: Which cover do you have? [01:02:39] Speaker B: I have cover B, the Colac. Let's see. What's their first name? Mirko Colec. And it's. [01:02:46] Speaker A: I do too. [01:02:47] Speaker B: Nice. It's spawn standing on a rock, overseeing a field of carnage. And I just realized, Johnny, that's monkey. [01:02:56] Speaker A: On the COVID Oh, he's dead. [01:02:58] Speaker B: That's monkey on the COVID Is he dead? Well, cuz he died. He died in the last issue. [01:03:02] Speaker A: I know. I didn't realize that was him. [01:03:05] Speaker B: I didn't realize until I was looking at it and I was like, that looks. That looks awfully cyborgy. Oh, that's gotta be cy gore. [01:03:12] Speaker A: Aw. Oh, no. [01:03:15] Speaker B: Oh, hell yeah. Colors by fco placencia. Nice. [01:03:19] Speaker A: I didn't realize. [01:03:20] Speaker B: Yeah, it's right underneath the little signature there. You see the little fco? [01:03:24] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, you're right. There it is. [01:03:28] Speaker B: We're even able to start recognizing artist stamps. Johnny. [01:03:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:03:34] Speaker B: What are the other covers? [01:03:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I like the Stark. I like the stark white. It's pretty cool. [01:03:38] Speaker B: Uh huh. So the other cover is Frederico Sabatini. And it is. It is spawn sitting like a king. Just like hoop on a throne. With. [01:03:49] Speaker A: With some cats. [01:03:50] Speaker B: With some cats and some chains. I like. [01:03:52] Speaker A: He's got two black cats. I got a black cat. [01:03:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:55] Speaker A: I'm like, spawn. [01:03:57] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, little Barbie. [01:03:59] Speaker A: Little Barbie. [01:04:00] Speaker B: Little Barbie. You should do some action figure photography, Johnny, and take your king spawn on his throne and have Barbie like, you know, photoshopped onto the or force perspective enough so that way she's in the background, but looks like she's sitting on shoulder. Actually, Photoshop. [01:04:17] Speaker A: That might be hard. [01:04:18] Speaker B: Photoshop would be way easy. [01:04:20] Speaker A: Yeah, that's, like Lord of the rings level shit. [01:04:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, Johnny, what do you say we crack this open? [01:04:29] Speaker A: Let's crack it open. [01:04:31] Speaker B: Smell that. Smell that January 2024 air, Johnny. [01:04:35] Speaker A: Smells like a comic book. [01:04:36] Speaker B: Smells like. Smells like a couple months ago. [01:04:38] Speaker A: Mm hmm. [01:04:39] Speaker B: Got world record breaking comics. [01:04:40] Speaker A: And since I'm old, a couple months ago seems about, like, ten minutes ago, but also ten years ago. [01:04:46] Speaker B: Oh, I can't believe it's march. Halfway through March. Jesus Christ, Johnny. [01:04:51] Speaker A: Ah, don't remind me. [01:04:54] Speaker B: I'm trying to, like, mentally go over where the time has gone, and I just drew a blank and stared into my light. Oh, no, no. [01:05:01] Speaker A: My eyes hurt. No, don't do that. [01:05:04] Speaker B: That'll teach you guys to reminisce about stuff. It hurts your eyes and your brain and your soul a little bit. [01:05:10] Speaker A: We crack it open here, you get the credits. [01:05:13] Speaker B: Mm hmm. Because credits are deserved. We got script plot by Rory McConville there, Johnny. [01:05:18] Speaker A: Script plot. No, no, no assistance from the top. Father needed. [01:05:22] Speaker B: No, none needed. [01:05:23] Speaker A: It's all Rory McConville. [01:05:24] Speaker B: He said, I got it, sir. [01:05:26] Speaker A: Don't worry about it. I got it. Art by Carlo Barberi. Rip, not rip. Hold on, let me do that again. I don't want to put that out in the world. Art by Carlo Barberi, who we will. [01:05:40] Speaker B: Be sorely missed on this title at least. But on spawned, he draws a nice, beefy gunslinger. [01:05:45] Speaker A: So he does draw a good gunslinger. But he'll be missed on spawn. But I'm excited to see. I love that he did the switcheroo. That's actually a really good idea, to have Carlo go to Gunslinger and have Brett Booth come to spawn. [01:05:55] Speaker B: Yeah, that's pretty fun. It keeps, it, keeps it exciting. J. David Ramos does the colors in this johnny. And I do believe he followed Carlo Barberry to Gunslinger. [01:06:04] Speaker A: That's right. [01:06:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:05] Speaker A: Okay. [01:06:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:06] Speaker A: Tom Wojciezzkowski is doing both. He does both. [01:06:08] Speaker B: Yeah, why not both? We covered the covers. Todd McFarlane's the creative director, Semicolon edits. [01:06:17] Speaker A: So he did do some little editing there. Thomas Healy said, haha. But I am the editor in chief, sir. He should have. [01:06:25] Speaker B: He should have argued for also a colon edits. [01:06:28] Speaker A: Yeah, all the other edits or colon. [01:06:33] Speaker B: Undoing half of Todd's edits. Yeah, editing the edits and then below it. Todd McFarlane re editing edited edits by Thomas. It just, like, goes on forever, like a recursive list of however many times it had to go back and forth, they get another round of credit. [01:06:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:59] Speaker B: I'm dying over here, Johnny. I'm dying. The spawn's too good. [01:07:04] Speaker A: It is too good. So previously in Spawn, the march of the throne has come to an end. The battle rages outside the keep, and only one can claim its power. [01:07:13] Speaker B: In the, in the parlance, Johnny, there can be only one. [01:07:17] Speaker A: So it opens up with some awesome lettering that says, hell, the first realm. The first realm. [01:07:23] Speaker B: Then some. [01:07:23] Speaker A: Nick's arguing with our oracle here, I was gonna say. [01:07:26] Speaker B: And some awesome. Nick's face. [01:07:28] Speaker A: Yeah. Just being like, what in the fuck? Yeah, they're basically telling her, look, we gotta retreat. [01:07:35] Speaker B: Yeah. And she's over. She's using. She's using, like, their rebirth pods as, like, computer screens because they got the whole team there. They're all having a teams meeting. Yeah, like, I bet. I bet Stewart's there. Like somebody isn't. Muted. I can hear an echo. If you would please mute unless you're speaking. Thanks. [01:07:57] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like, Nix. I can't hear you. Can you hear me? [01:08:01] Speaker B: What? Huh? No, go ahead. Speaking of Stuart, he comes up. Stuart. Stewart. Speaking of Stuart. [01:08:09] Speaker A: Steward, I was like, are you saying Stuart can't. I can't kid from Mad tv. Stuart. Isn't that Stuart? [01:08:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:20] Speaker A: Yeah, Stewart's there. [01:08:25] Speaker B: Yeah. So. So he's telling Nick's that, you know, they're, they're getting the heck out of Dodge. Nick's ain't happy about that. [01:08:33] Speaker A: Nope. [01:08:33] Speaker B: Yeah, she's like Cygor overkill. [01:08:36] Speaker A: They all died for nothing. [01:08:37] Speaker B: They died protecting green world. We all will one day. Whoo. Rough. That's a rough. A rough way of trying to be supportive there, Steward. [01:08:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Speaking of exercises, make you happy. [01:08:52] Speaker B: They will be given their honor. But for now, it's time to return home. I bet the first round of drafts said winter is coming. And then somebody was like, ah, no, no, we can't. No, we, we can't do that. [01:09:05] Speaker A: Can't say that. Winter is impending. [01:09:09] Speaker B: Well, I mean, I mean, literally, Johnny in King spawn, winter just passed. So the winter, she comes again. [01:09:17] Speaker A: The winter is a fickle. Well, I mean, knock on wood, we're almost out of the winter here in Chicago this year. [01:09:22] Speaker B: I mean, we got, we got, I. [01:09:23] Speaker A: Mean, it was really cold yesterday, so, I mean, what the fuck? [01:09:26] Speaker B: We got the. The plants are growing. The. The bushes are spreading. The strawberry plants are taking over again. The dogs keep trying to eat my freaking asparagus. You little bastards of fucking asparagus. [01:09:38] Speaker A: Don't eat my asparagus. [01:09:40] Speaker B: Don't do it. Don't do it. [01:09:42] Speaker A: So then green world wouldn't like that either. [01:09:44] Speaker B: No, definitely not. So Nick's is left with the blank screen of. Just left a meeting that wasn't very good. [01:09:53] Speaker A: Yep. Just standing there staring. [01:09:55] Speaker B: We all know how that feels. And then. [01:09:57] Speaker A: So then call of duty skin Gaia warrior comes up and basically is like, yo, sin's on his way to the keep. [01:10:04] Speaker B: Yeah, she's. She says, she says, what are you gonna do? She says, okay, so take most of the people and do what they just told us to do. And please round me up, a party of select individuals. And we're gonna bum rush the keep. [01:10:17] Speaker A: Interesting. [01:10:17] Speaker B: And then back on Mustafar, we have cataclysm talking to one of his advisors. [01:10:24] Speaker A: Yes. [01:10:24] Speaker B: Yeah. And his advisor's like, hey, you know what? [01:10:28] Speaker A: He goes directocrinic. I hear the plans for the Death Star in Scarif have been quite operational. That's a terrible Darth Vader impression. I just remember rogue one, he's always like, Director Krennic, this is funny. [01:10:46] Speaker B: And then, so we basically get the exact same conversation that Nix just had with the parliament trees. Wait, that's not the emerald parliament. Whoa, wait, which one of them is. Which one? [01:11:00] Speaker A: Parliament of trees, I believe is spawn? Emerald parliament, I believe the parliament of. [01:11:05] Speaker B: Trees is definitely swamp thing. [01:11:06] Speaker A: So it's Emerald. Emerald Parliament. [01:11:10] Speaker B: We're gonna wade into our own legal battles here. Oops. [01:11:15] Speaker A: Watch out. [01:11:16] Speaker B: But the exact same conversation that Nick's just had, cataclysm is having with his advisor. And it's like, why the fuck would we run? Live existence, live eternity as cowards. Fuck that. We're gonna. We're gonna. We're gonna do this shit. [01:11:28] Speaker A: We're gonna fight. [01:11:29] Speaker B: And then, you know, less than an hour later, sin and his army arrive and start messin sid up. Messing sit up, sit. [01:11:37] Speaker A: Messing some sith up. Cause we're on Mustafar, baby. [01:11:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:40] Speaker A: And then at the same time, revenge the sith. [01:11:42] Speaker B: At the same time, Nix and her band of commandos show up as well as the scorched, all converging on the keep as if the throne itself is exerting an almost magnetic pull. [01:11:53] Speaker A: Kind of is. Yeah, you got everybody there. Nix is being a badass, just like shooting giant laser. [01:11:59] Speaker B: And then. And then we have. What's his name? I'm looking for Rapture. We see rapture, rapture. Basically the exact same conversation happening of the previous two times, only flipped where, uh, the leader, the leader is saying, we have to keep doing it. And everybody else is like, uh, sir, we're. [01:12:21] Speaker A: We should give up. [01:12:22] Speaker B: We're fucked. We need to go. And then as. As this conversation is happening, he's killing the dissenters. Um, and then coming through a dead zone is clown and his little. [01:12:38] Speaker A: All the demons. [01:12:39] Speaker B: Demons. And he's like, hey, you guys are, uh. You guys are fucked. Rapture's like, oh, shit, we're fucked. I mean, I do believe somebody told you that, like, four issues ago, dude, get with the program. And then unceremoniously ended is Rapture's campaign. He just gets torn through by, like. Like, he's the five demons. He. He literally gets the. The person who gets trampled at the beginning of thanksgiving treatment right here. [01:13:07] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:13:08] Speaker B: And then. So. So. So that means in. In one year's time, Johnny, Patrick Dempsey is going to be. Oh, sorry, spoilers. Patrick Dipsey is going to be reefing wreaking havoc on these demons and their families for killing Ranch. [01:13:22] Speaker A: Yeah, I love that movie. It's so good. [01:13:24] Speaker B: Great movie. Sorry for spoiling it, y'all. [01:13:27] Speaker A: It's a brutal trampoline. [01:13:28] Speaker B: I told. So I told Wanda that Patrick Dempsey was in Thanksgiving. She's like, what the fuck is he doing? And then I told him what important part he played, and she was like, what the fuck is he doing? [01:13:39] Speaker A: Hey, she was having some fun. [01:13:41] Speaker B: She was like, I mean, good for him, but what the fuck is he doing? John Kava can't wait for Thanksgiving too. The leftovers. [01:13:49] Speaker A: I know. The leftovers. [01:13:51] Speaker B: Then we finally get the showdown between sin and cataclysm that we've been waiting on. And sin says, what? You run out of sundaes hide behind? And so that makes cataclysm angry. And as we know from the force, Johnny, fear. [01:14:08] Speaker A: Anger leads to hate. [01:14:10] Speaker B: The hate can make your power stronger from the dark side, but that also means that you are weak to cooler heads. Potentially, yes. And as our green v red here indicates, the cooler head will prevail as fucking sin. Just, like, tears. Cataclysm, a new one. [01:14:35] Speaker A: He just, like, super punches him through the stomach. [01:14:38] Speaker B: No, he's not dead yet. He's not dead yet. They're just still just brawling. And then we cut to another angle, and another contender has showed up. [01:14:47] Speaker A: Johnny, we're up on the cliff there, and far away you see a portal open, and it's Wanda and Spawn, as we know from King Spawn. Just a little note. That's why they got there. [01:14:58] Speaker B: And they're chit chatting about what Spawn has available to him and the time that he has left to do something, he says, but I don't think there's much time left. And then. Or perhaps it's already too late. [01:15:11] Speaker A: It's a great two page spread where you just see the huge battle. [01:15:14] Speaker B: Yeah, you got everybody, Jessica monolith haunt. You see cataclysmic rapture fighting some. Some. Some aliens, fighting some demons. [01:15:26] Speaker A: There's a fleabiac down there. A couple fleabiacs, actually. Pretty cool. [01:15:31] Speaker B: It's. It's amazing, this. [01:15:34] Speaker A: This big, like, ship. Like, a big x wing ship or, like, X Men ship. [01:15:38] Speaker B: Yeah, the black. The blackbird. Yeah, it's awesome. [01:15:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:15:43] Speaker B: So good. [01:15:44] Speaker A: So Spawn's like, all right, wanda, I gotta go. And she whispers something private to him. A classic spawn trope. Someone whisper something to someone that we don't find out. [01:15:54] Speaker B: Yeah, it's important, but we don't know what it is. [01:15:56] Speaker A: We don't know. [01:15:57] Speaker B: And so then. So then al just, like, charges up his necroplasmic fist and just tosses himself into the fray, killing a cataclysm and demon right off the bat. [01:16:10] Speaker A: Cataclysm and sin are still going at it. Sins just smack talking. [01:16:15] Speaker B: And then eventually sins just says, enough of this, and just, like, breaks his back and then shoots a hole through his stomach. I will show you how a true king rules hell. [01:16:25] Speaker A: And you got the corks, corpse. Yeah. He says he's gonna bring him back to life and his son back to life every day. And so he can watch his son die and then die again. That sounds pretty bad now. That's the hell I know. [01:16:36] Speaker B: Johnny, I'm not gonna lie. That honestly sounds like, while it is a torture for this man and his soul, it also seems like a lot of work that you don't want. [01:16:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:48] Speaker B: You don't want your ruler tied up in a daily chore that's gonna take all fucking day. [01:16:53] Speaker A: Yeah, you gotta bring it back to life every single. It's more of an empty threat, I think. [01:16:57] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I mean, he does. He does shoot a giant hole through cataclysm. [01:17:03] Speaker A: Yeah. The pretender is dead. The throne is mine. And a demon yells out, all hail sin, the true king of hell. [01:17:11] Speaker B: Oh, long live the king. Long live the king. [01:17:15] Speaker A: And you got sin going for the throne. Got clown going for the clown, going for the throne. [01:17:19] Speaker B: You got Al going. [01:17:21] Speaker A: And then next issue, the decisive conclusion of the historic spawn 350. Yeah, decisive. [01:17:27] Speaker B: Decisive. [01:17:28] Speaker A: It definitely is. It does decide. [01:17:30] Speaker B: It chooses. [01:17:32] Speaker A: It chooses. And we got Spawn's power meter at 24, 73, probably the highest it's going. [01:17:36] Speaker B: To be for a while for some time. [01:17:39] Speaker A: Seen some issues. Yeah, yeah. [01:17:41] Speaker B: Pretty great. Pretty great. We get ourselves a spawning grounds with some mailbag. Alexandra G sends in a version of the spawn from Rat City, which. [01:17:52] Speaker A: Pretty cool. [01:17:52] Speaker B: Comes out in, like, two weeks from this recording. Johnny. [01:17:56] Speaker A: Damn. That means, does Sam and twitch come out next week? [01:18:00] Speaker B: Maybe. [01:18:01] Speaker A: Am I. Oh, my God. [01:18:03] Speaker B: Holy shit. [01:18:03] Speaker A: Shit. I'm excited for Rat City. [01:18:06] Speaker B: I'm a great. I'm excited for all of them. For all of them. Me too. [01:18:09] Speaker A: Me too. [01:18:10] Speaker B: Then, Johnny, one of the best things. [01:18:14] Speaker A: It's Jet. [01:18:14] Speaker B: Another entry in the story of Jet. He's drawing. He's learning cape dynamics from how Todd McFarland does. And I like the. Uses the cape to hide body parts for certain motions. And it's like, that's a little time saving trick. You know, you ain't gotta draw the leg if it's covered by a cape. [01:18:35] Speaker A: Exactly. Also, he learned his cape from the Spawn movie, which is only a tad bit scary. That my nine year old remembers every scene in the film so vividly. That's a pretty intense movie for a nine year old. [01:18:47] Speaker B: Yeah, it is an intense movie for a nine year old. I do like how so the spawn, the spawn in jets picture this month is standing on the tower of a church. [01:18:57] Speaker A: Yes. [01:18:58] Speaker B: Cape and necroplasmic flames flapping all around him. And we get the in comic confirmation of that thing. Thomas Healy talked to us about, about how he's going to be doing a comic strip. He's going to write and draw himself a spawn strip. [01:19:15] Speaker A: Yeah. That's awesome. Then we get possibly one of the best letters ever. As Thomas Healy himself says, if Johnny. [01:19:22] Speaker B: Were a child at this time, this would be. [01:19:24] Speaker A: Yes, they have pictures of me. I have a star shirt with a millennium falcon with me for photo day. Because they allowed us to bring our hobbies. And I went as Star wars. [01:19:33] Speaker B: Nice. And is that a spawn Batman he's holding Johnny? Or is that. Or is that an older spawn? I can't tell if this is recent or older. [01:19:42] Speaker A: It's through the action figures are out. [01:19:45] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't know when they put out the Halloween costume. [01:19:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know either. I bet this is from the nineties. It looks very nineties. [01:19:52] Speaker B: Yeah, it has yellowed a little bit, so. Yeah, because that looks like the original she spawn figure. [01:19:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I think so. Yeah, this is probably the nineties, but, yeah. Really cool. This guy went his spawn for his school photo, and it's awesome. [01:20:06] Speaker B: It was like, my parents hated it at the time, but they love it now. And that's, you know. Know, I think that's having kids is you fucking hate the bullshit that they do at the time. But then later, you know, that. That bullshit was actually kind of funny. I was just too close. [01:20:17] Speaker A: That was pretty funny. Yeah. It actually reminds me of my homemade. This costume reminds me of my. I had a homemade space ghost costume that I wore in high school a few times for superhero day. Yeah. [01:20:31] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. Well, Johnny Genie. [01:20:33] Speaker A: More spam universe. I always see more spawns universe. [01:20:36] Speaker B: Don't miss the ongoing titles then, you dummy. Geez. [01:20:39] Speaker A: Yep. We got some ads for the next issues, the February issues. [01:20:43] Speaker B: And monstrous gets an ad that cool, pseudo ninja Spawn gets the toy ad on the back there. [01:20:53] Speaker A: It's ninja Spawn, I think it is. [01:20:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Is it? Yeah. [01:20:56] Speaker A: We'll find out. We open that ninja spawn. Actually, I guess it will. [01:21:00] Speaker B: There's only one way to find out, Johnny. Actually, there's, like, four ways to find out, but we're not doing any of them right now. Right. Right now, we're just speculating. [01:21:08] Speaker A: And then on the back, you've got the record breaking 350th issue coming February 2024. [01:21:13] Speaker B: With that puppeteer Lee cover on it, which is fucking amazing. Incredible. [01:21:17] Speaker A: Good stuff. S 349. Great issue. A spawn. [01:21:21] Speaker B: Yeah, Johnny. Well, man, we've been. We've been walking around this all morning, and my dogs are barking. So I think we need to rate these puppies while we put our dogs up and relax a little bit. Wait, the what? That was a long way to say, we gotta rate these puppies. [01:21:41] Speaker A: It's time to rate the puppies. So we had two issues. First up was spawn 16. I mean, it was an excellent issue. Like I said earlier, like, a lot of creativity. I love the action at the beginning with the demons, and just, like, the horror element of the guys being attacked. With that end of the big eruption of the blood in the house. It's just like an awesome little horror set piece, and it just kind of keeps the story moving along. It's a great baton pass, and, like, it's nice to get some fresh blood and fresh ink in there, so to speak. But I really liked it. [01:22:16] Speaker B: Or if it's a kiss comic, some. Some fresh blood in the. Fresh ink. [01:22:20] Speaker A: Fresh blood in the ink. Yeah, but I thought it was great. I'm gonna give it five beefy kings. Five beefy. Jason wins. Fighting. He's got a gut, but he doesn't care. He's still gonna work out and fight. I appreciate that. [01:22:35] Speaker B: He can still move. The rest of him is chiseled as fuck. So. [01:22:38] Speaker A: Yep. [01:22:40] Speaker B: Nice. [01:22:40] Speaker A: So, yeah, I liked it a lot. It was, it's a lot of fun. I can't wait to see the next few from Grant Morrison and Greg Cape Hulo and just see where this goes. Yeah, well, I love the Todd father. It's fun to have other people take over. [01:22:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. It's a very well put together issue. Yes, man. This might even also be a great thing to throw at somebody. Like, if they're thinking about getting into spawn, it might be dangerous because you're like, it's not always this good, but this is a great place to start. Potentially, maybe it is a good place to start. [01:23:12] Speaker A: Right? [01:23:12] Speaker B: But, yeah, I fucking love Grant Morrison. Fucking love Greg Capullo, fucking love spawn. You put them all together and, baby, you got a stew going. [01:23:22] Speaker A: You know, got a spawn stew. [01:23:25] Speaker B: It's just, you know, there's such character. It's, it's a lot of like, what we're seeing with Robert Layman right now. John Layman, John Layman, John Layman right now. [01:23:34] Speaker A: John Lennon scorched. [01:23:35] Speaker B: Where it's just his ability to take those scorched characters that we know and give them very particular characterizations with very few words. That's what Grant Morrison is able to do here with Spahn and Jason Wayne and these angels and Gabrielle and even this unhomed man, just fucking. The economy of story that allows there to be so much in there is great. The original cut of this is not 6 hours long, I assure you. [01:24:08] Speaker A: No, he knew what he was doing. [01:24:09] Speaker B: And I mean, I do not think I will ever be disappointed at anything Greg capovo draws ever. He is great. It's dynamic. It's beautiful. It's clear. It's fucking frightening. I am going to give it, I am going to give it five skeleton jokes with the skull and the spine that then leads to the demon saying, show some spine, why don't you? [01:24:39] Speaker A: Your friend did. [01:24:41] Speaker B: Oh, man, I love a pun. Yeah. [01:24:43] Speaker A: A lot of good skeletons in this issue. That's always a big good. Plus we got Al Simmons skeleton and the army guy skeleton. [01:24:49] Speaker B: So great. Great phys. Great physique on everyone. Not just. [01:24:53] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:24:54] Speaker B: Not just like they look beautiful, but like the bodies themselves are like very well put together bodies. [01:25:02] Speaker A: Yep. Yeah. No, I really like this fucking. And we get these little tees of anti spawn. So really great love. Then we had spawn 349. It is the lead up to the issue 350, the final one before we get the big taking the throne issue. I also love this issue. I think it sets it up really nicely. It's epic. You get some great fights. Sin and cataclysm finally go at it. It just is a good culmination that, I know leads up to a satisfying kind of conclusion and reset. So, like, makes it even better knowing that I love where it goes, but I'm going to give it five conference calls to nix. [01:25:44] Speaker B: God damn it. [01:25:45] Speaker A: Johnny, is that yours? [01:25:47] Speaker B: We. I. There's. There's no way I can change it because it's. It's. It's just too good. You're right. It's fucking great. We're almost to the end there. That is one of the funniest things we talked about in it. It's a five. Next conference call. That's. That's all it can be. It's. [01:26:02] Speaker A: That's all it is. [01:26:03] Speaker B: We're almost there. All of our players are here. It's. It's very much a linking issue because we're trying to get to the thing, but it does not have any of the lack that a linking issue has. It's fucking tight. We're on that wire. [01:26:18] Speaker A: We. [01:26:18] Speaker B: We've got the gold in the sights, but there's still the potential that we could fall off at any moment. It's fucking great. [01:26:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:26:24] Speaker B: Two amazing issues of Spawn this week, Johnny. I am pumped up. I am probably gonna fall asleep in, like, 20 minutes because I burned through all my energy. [01:26:32] Speaker A: Yeah. I just. I really like them both. It was a great, great, great spawn. [01:26:37] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. [01:26:37] Speaker A: Whenever I read these, I get all pumped up about it and excited. [01:26:40] Speaker B: So fucking good. So good, Johnny. Spawn is good. Spawn is fun. [01:26:47] Speaker A: Spawn is good. Spawn is fun. [01:26:51] Speaker B: What rhymes with fun? [01:26:53] Speaker A: But we ain't done. [01:26:55] Speaker B: Let's eat a bun. [01:26:56] Speaker A: No, we ain't done, because we got to remember what else is good. And that is our friends on Instagram. [01:27:03] Speaker B: Hell, yeah, they are. [01:27:05] Speaker A: And we've got another friend we wanted to shout out. [01:27:07] Speaker B: I totally thought you were going to say that the sun was good because it rhymed, but I like where you went. [01:27:12] Speaker A: The sun is also good. I love the sun. [01:27:14] Speaker B: Yes, indeed. [01:27:15] Speaker A: We all love the sun. [01:27:16] Speaker B: And speaking of Johnny potentially doing some spawn 349 action figure photography work, we've got a friend on Instagram who does some amazing photography work with his action figures. Recreated an upcoming. The upcoming Sam and twitch number one with action figures. And his name is Frank notorious. That's Frank. N o T A r I Y U S. Amazing, amazing action figure photography. There's. There's this. This medieval spawn that keeps coming up. And every time I see it. I, like, I do the double tap, and then I'm like, oh, shit. I just took away our love, and then I have to double tap it. [01:28:04] Speaker A: I already liked it. [01:28:04] Speaker B: Yeah, but, like, every time I see it, I'm like, oh, shit. Oh, wait. Oh, shit. [01:28:10] Speaker A: I know. He did a salmon twitch. He did a little Sam and twitch cover homage. [01:28:14] Speaker B: I hope he keeps track of those, because I would like, for each time we end up loving it, to count toward his total love. Total. Because it's that good. [01:28:22] Speaker A: Yeah, I hope it would. [01:28:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:28:24] Speaker A: Give him a follow. Really awesome spawn photographer and just general toy photographer as well. [01:28:28] Speaker B: Mm hmm. There's a lot of good stuff. There's Jessica and a saigor. Oh, man. Oh, man. Jessica and Saigor. There's a really cool action pose commando. Spawn. Some good shit. Y'all doing some good work out there. Spreading the. Spreading the love of Spawn. You know who else is spreading the love of Spawn without actually having to, having read any spawn at all? And that is Brian. He does our great Spawn podcast music. We still have yet to get him on the. On the spawn. Spawn bandwagon. Johnny, we need to get back on that. [01:29:00] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll try with Sam and Twitch. [01:29:02] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. But anyway, Brian Voyles, 27. He does our music. You love it. We love it. We love him. You should love him. Follow him on Instagram. [01:29:13] Speaker A: Also, make sure to follow us on Instagram. We're regarding spawnpod. We are posting fun events. We're doing. We're posting our pickups. We're posting episode descriptions and just goofing off. So be sure to give us a follow. We'll be in a few weeks, we'll be probably doing some live stuff from Comic Con, so make sure to follow us for that. [01:29:33] Speaker B: I was about to say we will probably be putting some live stuff up, so. [01:29:36] Speaker A: So make sure to keep an eye out for that. [01:29:38] Speaker B: Even if you aren't able to see us at c two e two, you'll be able to see us from c two e two. [01:29:43] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [01:29:44] Speaker B: So come see us April 24 at April 25 through the 28th, 26th. [01:29:49] Speaker A: One of those days. We don't know yet. [01:29:51] Speaker B: Yeah, we don't know. We'll let you know when they let us know. And when we know you'll. [01:29:55] Speaker A: We'll be there. I'm gonna be there. [01:29:56] Speaker B: I'm gonna laugh. If we've already announced what day it is on Instagram before this episode comes. [01:30:00] Speaker A: Out, that'd be hilarious. [01:30:02] Speaker B: Who knows? Hey. Hey. I'm laughing because we have already had our date and we have already announced it. So Friday of c two e two. Friday, April 26 at 515 pm. We are gonna be in s 4405 B. That's right. Friday, April 26, 515 pm. Come see us. We'd love to have you there. And remember, may the scorch be with you. [01:30:33] Speaker A: Oh, well, who knows? Time is a flat circle. And also we're time traveling right now, so. [01:30:39] Speaker B: So if you want to send us an angry email saying you've already told us what day you're gonna be at c two e two, send it to [email protected]. We'll read it on the air. Cuz you know Johnny will read any missive you sent us on the air unless you ask us not to. And if you send us your address, we'll send you some stickers. [01:30:57] Speaker A: Oh yeah. And I always like to ask a question to kind of probe the audience out there. And today I would ask you, who's your favorite beefy kings? Jason Nguyen, Steven Seagal? Jack Black. [01:31:12] Speaker B: That Jack. Oh, man, I fucking love Jack. [01:31:14] Speaker A: He's the king. [01:31:15] Speaker B: He's. Yeah. [01:31:16] Speaker A: Who are your favorite? I'm a beefy king. So who are your favorites that can still get it done with a gut? Let me know. Besides Sam Burke, of course. We all know him. [01:31:26] Speaker B: That's. That's a given. [01:31:29] Speaker A: That's a given. [01:31:30] Speaker B: Let's see, let's see. Beefy kings. Who else? I mean, Jack Black is a very good one. I mean, you know, if I could piggyback on that Jack Black. Kyle Gas is also a beefy king. The dynamic duo of tenacious D. Fucking yeah. [01:31:45] Speaker A: That new Britney Spears cover. That rules. [01:31:47] Speaker B: Oh, it's fucking great. Oh, boy, I love makes you want. [01:31:50] Speaker A: To see kung fu panda. Kung fu panda. Kung fu panda. Four. [01:31:56] Speaker B: I think. I think Wanda and I watched one together and haven't followed up on any of them, but I remember one being fucking excellent. [01:32:03] Speaker A: Yeah, Wanda's always saying it's one of her favorites. The my Wanda. [01:32:07] Speaker B: Those Dreamworks 3D animated movies. Fucking fantastic. How to train your dragon. If you haven't seen how to train your dragon, go fucking watch it right goddamn now. [01:32:17] Speaker A: Get on it because they got a live action one coming out. [01:32:19] Speaker B: The Madagascar movies are pretty good. But the best part about the Madagascar movies is they led to the Netflix animated series King Julian, where he's obsessed. [01:32:28] Speaker A: With the feet with. [01:32:30] Speaker B: With Mort, who's obsessed with but mort. There's also like a multiverse of morts. And at one point, all of the morts from the different universes show up on Madagascar island. [01:32:45] Speaker A: Okay, I'm. [01:32:47] Speaker B: The show is wild. Fucking great. [01:32:49] Speaker A: All right. King Louie speaking. [01:32:51] Speaker B: Speaking of fucking great, is it King. [01:32:53] Speaker A: Louie or what's his name? [01:32:53] Speaker B: King Julian. [01:32:55] Speaker A: King Julian. Okay, yeah. King Louie's jungle book, right? [01:32:58] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And Baloo the Bear. [01:33:01] Speaker A: Baloo. [01:33:02] Speaker B: So speaking of good, Johnny, you know what's good, spawn. You know what is even better? Reading more spawn. You know what's even better than that? Talking. [01:33:12] Speaker A: Reading it with people. [01:33:12] Speaker B: Reading with people and talking about it. Hell, yeah. So what are we. What are we? [01:33:16] Speaker A: Love that. [01:33:16] Speaker B: What are we gonna read and talk about next time, Johnny? [01:33:19] Speaker A: Next time we're gonna talk about scorch 25. [01:33:22] Speaker B: 25. [01:33:23] Speaker A: And it's just one issue. [01:33:24] Speaker B: One issue. [01:33:25] Speaker A: Because we have a special guest. We have Mark Spears. [01:33:28] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [01:33:29] Speaker A: Cover artist and monster extraordinaire. [01:33:32] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's a monstrous issue, so we had to get a monster expert on it. [01:33:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Scores. 25 is the introduction of the new fleabiac monster. We've got Bao Bolshevik in there. It's just a really great issue. We thought Mark would be great to talk about it, and we're so excited. We were such huge fans of his covers, as we always talked about. So we're really excited to get him in here and to talk to him. [01:33:53] Speaker B: And it'll be very exciting to get an artist's perspective on everything because, you know, I absolutely. I mean, I can. I can look at a thing and talk about what I like looking about it, but that doesn't mean I know fucking anything about visual art. [01:34:06] Speaker A: Right. [01:34:07] Speaker B: You know, I love an opportunity to learn a thing, and who better to learn from but an expert, right? [01:34:12] Speaker A: Yeah. So that'd be a great episode. [01:34:14] Speaker B: So read scorch 25, come back and listen to us talk to it. To somebody who knows what they're talking about. That'll be rude. [01:34:20] Speaker A: Imagine that. [01:34:21] Speaker B: That'll be refreshing. Somebody who knows what they're talking about on this show. Show. [01:34:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:34:24] Speaker B: It's happened once or twice, but, you know, not normally. [01:34:27] Speaker A: Yeah. We had Thomas Ealy episode Spawn Hunter episode. Any episode. We have a guest. We have someone who knows what we're talking about. [01:34:34] Speaker B: Logan. Logan teaching us about his kick ass grandfather. [01:34:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:34:40] Speaker B: You know how it goes. Well, Johnny, we had ourselves a fun time today. We talked about some stuff. We talked about some stuff that we're gonna do later. We talked about some other stuff that wasn't related to Spawn, but somehow we shoehorned it in there. So, you know, that's. That's how we do it. So don't forget to like us everywhere that you can like us. Subscribe to us, give us a rating, you know, give us feedback. We love it. We love you. We love spawn. We love. We love all of it. All of it. All of it. [01:35:08] Speaker A: Every little bit of whole shebang. [01:35:09] Speaker B: Yeah. And Johnny love doing the show. Love tuck and spawn. [01:35:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:35:15] Speaker B: These such good issues today. I got me pumped. And I hate to say it, Johnny, but I gotta tell you, may the scorched be with you. Yeah. [01:35:27] Speaker A: Sax. That means the episode's over. But we must say it, may the scorched also be with you, David. [01:35:32] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [01:35:34] Speaker A: Hell yeah. [01:35:35] Speaker B: Hell yeah. All right, so tell me, tell me, tell me more about what did we miss? Where did we leave off? We're talking about the. The lost. The lost sith all the way. [01:35:45] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. So Balin was a survivor of order 66. It's actually funny. There's been a lot of survivors. Order 66, cuz cal Kestis in the video game was also a survivor. Order 66. Don't forget that he found. [01:35:56] Speaker B: Don't forget that our king, Jar Jar Binks, saved. Saved baby Yoda. [01:36:00] Speaker A: Jar Jar Binks is. Yeah, that was Ahmed. I'm at best, but I can't remember his. His character name now. [01:36:10] Speaker B: Doesn't matter. [01:36:11] Speaker A: I used to know it. Oh, yeah. I'm at best saved him. And they need more color lightsabers. That's all I'm gonna say. We need some new color lightsabers. [01:36:20] Speaker B: What would the next color you want be? [01:36:23] Speaker A: Pink. [01:36:23] Speaker B: Pink. Okay. [01:36:24] Speaker A: Like Godzilla in this new Godzilla movie. I like the pink on the. I like the pink on the ridges. Looks cool. [01:36:28] Speaker B: You think, you think they'll ever get, like, the technology to have, like, a lava lamp, kyber crystal where it's got, like, globs? That'd be cool. Do you think they'll. Is there. Is there any weakness for any color against any other color, do you think? Or is it all just power? Because that would be interesting to have the multicolored ones that, like, if it hits a little, a little blob of one color, it can ding. Like, throw the other lightsaber away. That would be awesome. Fuck. [01:36:57] Speaker A: Get on it. Call up Katherine Kennedy. [01:37:00] Speaker B: Do you think. Do you think they'll make, like, an anti darksaber? I mean, obviously the anti darksaber would be a lightsaber, but like, an anti darksaber, that's not lightsaber technology, but darksaber technology, just the opposite. Like, from heaven instead of hell. They could call it the Redeemer. [01:37:17] Speaker A: Okay, you lost me. [01:37:21] Speaker B: Well, we're talking about spawn and anti spawn. Right? And you've got the darksaber. But obviously, the opposite of a darksaber is a lightsaber, so they already have. [01:37:29] Speaker A: Oh, right. [01:37:30] Speaker B: But since the darksaber uses a different technology than lightsabers have a opposite of the darksaber using darksaber technology. [01:37:40] Speaker A: You lost me again. [01:38:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:38:23] Speaker A: Delete this. Cut this out and delete it. No.